Interview with Jorge Leon

And you've also created a car game. Right, right, so I think that's one of the things where I've been really intrigued in turning a lot of this tactile and research and information into something that we can play or have students engage with. I've been researching this for a number of years and I always run into a problem that it's hard as an icebreaker to have this conversation with students, especially first-year students who feel like they are digital natives, so they should know better. So they're a little hesitant to have this conversation with an adult who's going to say, you guys aren't doing the internet right, so I turned it into a card game of factual fictitious or for fun, a fafifu for short, a game where we really bridge the topic of, it's not just about, is it factual or fictitious, but what are the things in the middle? What's the gray area? What are the pieces that are satire? What are the pieces where somebody created it for fun, but somebody else took it way out of contact?