An hour with Dr. Temple Grandin

we are about autism a big losses on it can't dress themselves to have to beat sounds all time now from kansas state university k pr presents an hour with dr temple grandin i'm kay mcentire and today on k pr presents scientist and animal behaviour expert temple grandin lectures throughout the country on her own experiences on the autism scale and how best to educate young people with learning disabilities in just a minute we'll hear dr grandin's recent landon lecture a key state but first temple grandin summarize some of her thoughts on life with autism for npr as essay series this i believe this essay comes to us through pr x the public radio exchange temple grandin sees problems that other people don't then she devises solutions for grandin our invitation to summarize personal belief in three minutes presented a specific problem how to explain to the rest of us the way her mind deals with the very concept of

belief here she is with her solution for this i believe because i have autism i live by concrete rules instead of abstract beliefs and because i have autism i think in pictures and sounds i don't have the ability to process abstract thought the way that you do here's how my brain works it's like the search engine google for images if you say the word love to me i'll surf the internet inside my brain then a series of images pops into my head what i'll say b for example is a picture of a mother horse with a full war think of herbie the love bug scenes from the movie love story or the beales song love love all you need is love when i was a child my parents taught me the difference between good and bad behavior by showing me specific examples my mother told me that you don't hit other kids because you would not like it if they hit you

that makes sense but if my mother told me to be nice to someone it was too vague for me to comprehend but if she said that being nice meant delivering daffodils to the next door neighbor that i could understand i don't all library of experiences that i could refer to when i was in a new situation that way when i confronted something unfamiliar i could draw on the information in my homemade library and come up with an appropriate way to behave in a new and strange situation when i was in my twenties i thought a lot about the meaning of life at the time i was getting started in my career designing more humane facilities for animals at ranches and slaughterhouses many people would think that to even work at a slaughterhouse would be inhumane but they forget that every human and animal eventually dies in my mind i had a picture of a way to make that dying as peaceful as possible i believe that doing

practical things can make the world a better place one of the features of being autistic is that i'm good at synthesizing lots of information and creating this systems out of that when i was creating my first corral back in the nineteen seventies i went to fifty different feedlots and ranches in arizona and texas and helped them work cattle in my mind i catalogued the parts of these facility that worked effectively and assembled them into an ideal new system i get great satisfaction when a rancher tells me that my corral design helps cattle move through it quietly and easily when cattle stay calm it means they are not scared and that makes me feel i've accomplished something important some people might think if i could snap my fingers i'd choose to be normal but i wouldn't want to give up my ability to see in beautiful precise pictures i believe in them

temple grandin with her essay for this i believe we are inviting everyone to distill their personal beliefs into less than five hundred words for our project you find out more and see all the essays in the series at npr dot org or call toll free for information at eighty eight five seven seven nine nine seven seven for this i believe i'm jay allison m for kansas public radio i'm kate mcintyre and this is k pr prisons today on k pr presents dr temple grandin who spoke november twenty ninth two thousand sixty one hundred seventy fifth landon lecture on public affairs at kansas state university but lots of things to talk about and i want to ask you though on innovative use of

color on the autism spectrum einstein had no language delay story steve jobs was a weird moment we brought snakes to school journalism elementary school classmate just to lighten things up no by the time i was four i learned how to talk about it with a lot of different kinds of the mines are i said i'm an animal behavior and had it that they got a woman in our behavior that was a jane goodall in fact starting out cattle industry was seventeen serving a woman in a man's world it was i'm fine now shown the movie really accurately something like jane goodall into days educational system she added to iraq's secretarial degree to gutter heard her up the hd without her bachelor's and he had difficulty remembering faces i'm somebody is deathly kind of difference like the solitude of the woods what thomas edison high school dropout labeled by

his teachers that was thomas anderson now i do a lot of work in the meat industry that i developed a piece of apartment called the us senate tracker steiner says no more double rail or stronger system isn't all the lights so i worked in these large clients and who do you think works on a lot of things really clever tyson is hiring right now billboards are my white and they can't find skilled mechanics cardinals hiring big banners on their fence up in milwaukee because the tiny port the guys at a kind a different they're all retiring now and i'm concerned about where they're going getting addicted to video games because a school that taken out the skilled trades and hands on style the thing that st louis nas in elementary school i

was saved by hands on classes like woodshop and selling making things you know when i grew up i still kept making thanks steven spielberg not a good student bully teased in school just like six where king jr was bullied in school the only places i was not only was the shared interests things like electronics horseback riding rejected the top film score well what about elon musk the rocket guy he was as severe but waiting very severe billing it appeared to have been in this book and his mother wrote that he was different in a nerdy sort of why it sounds familiar it's a debate about autism is a big loss in summoning can't dress themselves to have to be counsel time now that's where the lucky people on it and inspect get go to get to the work the global and other solid time valley companies that another keg it's a day old gets in the videogame problem it's all is

not having such a good outcome and as st jacques all right let's look at some other common denominator is that success in unique mines grew up in an educated family no that's true for the four people at his show also true for many early exposure to books and reading mother used to read to us early exposure to career robin interests i got introduced to be no one else gets it when i went to my aunt's rates well if you take out all things that other schools i can turn into careers the kids are getting exposed to enough staff also learning how to work in an early age when i was thirteen my mother got me a selling job when i was fifteen hours played in a horse stalls every day and run on a horse by learning how to work also not to over specialized and i had a great science teacher this is where mentors really time has been around

well jane goodall that serious on introduction and will pay the youngest was he was five she wants in the next door neighbor's chicken house try to figure out how chickens lay eggs high school student loved animal books and she had a mentor she was originally hired by dr lee he's a secretary and then a letter start observing and chimpanzees and things changed thomas edison childhood experiments are not the baggage cart or train i'm almost died drowned in grain elevator but exposed that were relevant thanks he got that school but is home schooled by a mom in a house full of books thomas edison or not work generally early age fourteen as a telegraph operator even earlier he was so unearthed by learning work skills and seeing too many kids to get a label gets labeled autistic adhd in autism at a cheese mix of all time and they're not learning how to work

certainly the learning how to shop things that i learned when i was seven well thomas edison asked watson lots and lots of questions now that's an artistic train it memorized every street and as tam steven spielberg that include those days the fashion young man he was saved by his little super eight movie can early introduction there an internship at universal studios are always emphasized these dunes the importance of internships to get into jobs and elon musk was really hits like this right guide to the galaxy and forcibly a local bookstore let him just coming in a boxer you know he didn't buy time dennis older educated banks he also learned skilled trades in his dad's workshop at a really early age he also been extensive international travel i've traveled all around the world and so a broader outlook on many banks he was introduced to programming at age eleven fortunately he's just old enough we got an old fashioned kind of computer

wheeler the program without fancy video games on it he almost won in a video game addiction that he didn't have that happened to you did try to london rent a shop just like video arcade was too young to do that oh he was doing for the manual labor in his twenties and he'd talk his way into an internship at the bank a nova scotia and start paypal one thing i figured out very early on you to get out early on certain people don't need or he was so persistent calling up is vice president at e and once one that the internship as a used car wash felton is rockets now i think maybe some kind of battle of hubris because misrata she's blow up and i think he was pushing the system too hard at the time read about some most of the one armed the fuel tanks the carwash they'll sell the debt he was pushing some other stuff now that these creative geniuses it's not some i had a conventional educational path i'm really concerned about some nice more the he

tried different kinds of kids get screened out also they did not all were special ops i was at a plant science meeting this summer talking with other plant scientist as i gave my different kinds of minds talk of anatolia christensen i don't always advanced degrees but there are no creativity they got into hyper specialized kids don't learn differently kids to get a diagnosis of various reasons to an uneven skills good at one thing bad something else i can people always get visual thinkers helping design work everything i think about it the picture but i couldn't do elsewhere this algebra requirement is screening out a lot of good kids i talked to a president of the college just recently and she's got smart students who can't get a business degree because he didn't pass either how do i get to school because the nineteen sixty seven outer was not the natural normal finite

math majors sees probability and statistics which touring i got through the statistics with tutoring i got to the finite math juan i'll let them take something else the asylum has already raised as i just saw this assault is doing all three other stuff how did you know a tiny area the circle and ive design i draw like an american women with saunders you better know how to find the areas of a circle at designing nomadic appointments that simple they can't find the area of the stage just a simple practical math also i talked with a third grade teacher two months ago in trouble for teaching her kids borrowing his attraction well if i was unable to write down the paper lion gale the door because i got working memory issues whispering out tickets cargill and tyson have an eye or in the future to deploy its billing and this morning i met a salesman for frito lay i told that i'd been an improv at their plates falling

apart because of people it infects someone playing video games in the basement in the mines the pattern thinker this is the mathematician mind this is your soul icon valley programming person they think any parents they don't bank infectious this is your mathematicians your engineers programming people and they can often have some trouble with reading but kids don't learn programming by osmosis it's got to be introduced they also at the wider do tasks other people even a global your lab that they've been presented under which won't arrest the time needed was signed projects and then you've got the verbal lives they know everything about them favorite subject and it really good specialized retail you that kids in your classes that are different made a dyslexic adhd mildly otters that

i need to learn how to work the new start in middle school things like church jobs is that the legal age i wanna wanna retail for say a doctor a larger working skills i don't want a transition phase ahwahnee not work before they graduate high school now i'm a visual associate they can say like google for images of it were i see excerpts no maybe i don't seek out all non see a tea kettle with as a kid it was old and sing a british tea kettle of the cozy on it and then i'm seeing a truck stop the giant coffee pot for a sign tanaka and tea coffee it it's associated with him a book the autistic brain i may give the evidence based studies different kinds of minds actually do exist for scientific evidence both visual thinking and a more patterns mathematical thinking two different types of banking elon musk was a visual thinker know he was nailed to take lots of different information and put it together i kind of do the

same thing i read a lot he will say to me what you know about the fukushima nuclear power plant which was a gigantic visual thinking mistake that's why write about it's not a very good idea when you have next to the sea but a super important emergency cooling pump in nylon waterproof basement that's what i get a lot of worry about the mathematician is a mathematician doesn't see the water going in there you see this is where we need the different kinds of minds doing stuff what thomas edison said i'm not a mathematician but i can always hire some of petitions but they can hire me because what i've observed working on things like big car your plants is who does different things that quirky guy it's a visual thinker things up that really creative piece of equipment all were specialization what doctors normally they so

over specialized end up getting replaced by an artificial intelligence program last year you now with older folks like us get together we like to write about health problems and nine i talked to a lady that don actually just had an allergy victory with general the top let the specialist was doing highly biopsies really high biopsies i think that's an arabic elyse and a bone specialist of failed to test a patient but a lot of the few symptoms that untreated wanting to see is maybe a needle while a simple first i kind of like this anger isaac asimov that read this allows and a college degree is the first step down a ruinous highway you don't wanna waste is you go on a doctoral research and you end up being at the wrong going into ramos about everything in the world except for one subdivision oh sliver of nothing well i shall intelligence can do super

specialized tasks building replace the super specialized doctors they will not replace receptionist right now is an expert system that could read x rays better than doctors can read them well andrea watches them is thinking it's solid epidemiology prof samet you're pro science see the hypothesis first or you form a hypothesis through specific examples of epidemiology you get a case of food poisoning in another case of food poisoning in an event figure out what are the common factors between these different cases of food poisoning that bottom up nineteen the kind of thinking you need to use a whole lot more for a lot of policy stuff the big concern i had the day it's like an abstract of occasions you got people making policy that never drilled down into the field find out what's actually going on when you do draw down thinking you all were general audience and of a grandiose lines

are just like an end up working very well so what happened to a child like we did it i had no speech until age for all the symptoms of severe autism i probably would have gotten really going to early intervention that is something that's being done right that's the bright spots but what i'm seeing now video game addiction this and don't call me and also be i'm seeing smart kids did the video games and playing video games and social security when they need to be working in the maintenance shop at the cargill plant that's where they need to they know what they're going to find they're working in animated shorts a lot more fun than video games it's almost funny stuff i every day was our destruction is to things we use like talk about the job for a trailer to law school staff that's paul light job trailer talk but it would

be in a lot of trouble if i had had a hands on activities i spent hours as a child making bird flight the flight i might try to most of them and a liberal wing tips on him just like modern jets have got and it took a lot of experimentation to get my bird type stuff while i'm seeing kids today but they're not willing to make a mistake on something i'd try again try again different ways to make the kites i spent hours making and building it's also teenagers are not i'm getting work experience okay let's start out of middle school you walked off the neighbors and one mom say to me we have an educational program for that mom going oh really we're talking about the set up the next door neighbors because a lot of cops doing job to somebody else on the schedule yes cash economy yes i have a special little rule system on i kind of i decide these rules into four categories really bad

things like robbing banks and stuff like that you don't do it then you have that courtesy rules kitty bee talkback table manners you to consider for any device for emails went to ramallah phones or have a meal without any device got to learn how to talk in the fifties we were not allowed to bring toys and coloring books the cable tv was limited to one hour a day i'll learn some courtesy rules that illegal but not their own manual honestly construction industry a member asking gm all a contractor how i got to mention the block local street cincinnati the country tracked you don't it's yes to do it ten o'clock in the morning when the traffic's like when a place around as the director trac says that's okay and then you have the sense of the system and not touch those jobs because they really bite whether things you don't there so this red knot sentinel morning to discuss what they are

but they're going to get and tons and tons of rubble still do ok race dan schorr had a large visual thinking to start it bigger than a control probably in the top twenty five percent visual thinking circuits now here is where i'm in trouble i let dry out trial area is i'm missing some stuff that i won the algebra department i've got no working memory so i do math i can do to write on the paper the borrowing is the price i get to my new engineering and i do work about saudi get one of these guys that they had to turn around the starbucks coffee machine it's funny the pilot's checklist tear downs that wants to boost the brain's cleaning stumps him a pilot's checklist know one rank in the meat industry if there's no academic barrier penetrate you need a deal to read us a bit by andrew old fashioned six great man that don't even know how to do and i know like courtney smart mean it's people like bill big complicated thing is it was saved by the

welding class in high school they're making right now the travel industry by how awesome it is adhd dyslexic horrible students say why well it makes a thang any cell that i can't tell you what it is i've been very very successful metal fabrication best as orsay by the fact that health care was required and sixty seven and i entered college on probation mother taught the idea of franklin pierce college was two years old take me on probation at this point i decided i was the site yeah i learned some important thing is to be on time see a lot of smart kids with various labels the day they can get up in the morning and get the class that's not an issue for me once i decide to study i got because i did not lose my homework i got it done i was in an educated family with lots of lots of books our ability was nurtured very good and harden that became the basis of my design business mother taught me really yield to contain boston work from

a mother taught me reading the next little while warning phonics worse the one kid that doesn't work for all others where the whole word that worked that my favorite books are now much of what a child what about the us and banners and black beauty early exposure to clear interest i cannot emphasize that enough i was installed to dairy cattle was fourteen fifteen i was riding horses and fourteen fifteen sixteen i learned carbon very i'm active in experimental psychology class and i insisted an optical illusions that help me and so my work with cattle but i notice the cattle were afraid of shadows so afraid of color on offense for reflection and i did have to subjects i did well in high school biology and right over to banks i was going there were different selling job at thirteen or sparkly sixteen twenty sixteen that eighteen the day for that bag right time wonderful

single throwing contests and it was a few others shared interest signing painting start making signs and so numb and my first sign for a beauty shop and i could make a side of beauty shop what so now really dating myself and it worked now was not over specialized all of biology when i was in college we were very lucky and my little small college had only been going for two years they hired a retired animal behavior scientists to teach animal behavior so i was introduced to bear in college dr tom evans i took an english literature class that was required that i was going to hate turnout lobby because the teeth she was so good explain what the author meant no strike and then things like the odyssey and the iliad and i had practical building skills and carpenter my science teacher got me motivated and then if you watch the hbo movie i really did make that optical illusion room than some animated i had to

figure it out and i my hands range of build gates i learned driving all the projects in the movie which wrote yes i was we're trying to get people that have the design their cattle the saudis assure my drawings when you get on a show off your portfolio it's just that simple for i was a young kid i thought i was mentally retarded and i built the design is feasible but the senate tracker strainer or double railroad tires imported meat plants i design can only facilities at the cargill plants all over the us and in canada how to get a job i shall bill filling destroying and nailed him destroying are also male my very professional looking brochure part eight second while <unk> fielding open

that up drawing for without like this is pre internet heroes the late eighties and i'm on the brochure had plastic pages in there with a few pictures i had a couple of articles from the meatpacking plant magazine lists of references while your pajamas duncan and they called me and i got my first job with the border illegally that's the county north america are handled an apartment i designed in the meat packing plant is doing pretty good for giving thousands it if i thought the student down last night on the spectrum must be a veterinarian i said you can do it just proved your arm you can do it now when a story about everything but just pull the right system but that's only half the equation an equation is a management get the money and they've got to actually measure right so i was hired by the usda in nineteen ninety six to do a

survey and only sign up plants that shiite fighters so they can't get on the first shot because it was broken that's management was hired by mcdonald's in nineteen ninety nine to start working on assessing a while for packing plants such a lot of real simple way to school where the traffic rules are plants really simple not confident bureaucratic nonsense they had been a fight numbers shot dead ninety five selma for shah hundred percent better for it to come up a one of one percent falling anywhere in saudi three percent moving in a stunning area and a hard sound like the cars that get back down to twenty five percent were previously it was five hundred percent they had to make their numbers i didn't know why they had to make their outcome based numbers that they're not really happy about that is seventy five mcdonnell suppliers only agree and build something expensive everybody else we think that nasa flooring with lighting training and maine has not that's the other half of the equation engineering

can fix the problems and i saw more change and i'd seen a model entire career there are different kinds of minds build a big cargo plane or big any other kind of big industrial plant that will tankers the ones like me where in the drafting apartment you better give us respect they plan to lay out all the conveyor sign for the fleet fabrication all complicated stuff was done by drafting department you know please don't listen service quarter with a cable craze really don't appreciate that not given enough credit the mill writes the quirky dies in a shot and then all of the mechanical equipment now what degree they engineered that we carry while lawyers refrigeration women touch that stuff i'm not that's not that's for the mathematical mind calculate ruth draut says iron yup don't put a young engineer at a college in charge of working with contractors he will

get ripped off ah back as a job for the crusty old guy in the shop when the twenty years are not everywhere else the boston or kayaking or get seen at what you need the whole yes mice and cargill are hiring right now visual thinkers what's driving off the video games much more fun and apply it rescues right now i'm out on some interesting projects and why the project we had to figure out to scour bigger i was really need to lay down in the crops forget our space on metal ounces have to be changed so you want to live your life in the morning and get some pundits can't walk over these cattle getting really questioning don't get up somewhat less likely that you know once you find out that the lights what's not how about astronomy that science how bout they on an atom

smasher in a supercollider and things like that that science are upsets it's worried that the high prices he's from epidemiology a science you start off with one case of food poisoning peter began no one alerted my visual thinking was different and then you walk inside so i get asked how the different kinds of minds learn to work together first thing we have to recognize is that the different kinds of my success i try to get a whole lot better and learning how to talk to verbal thinkers i called steve jobs was an artist an artist that may be easy to use interface inside apple more designing interfaces news you need to have the different kinds of minds we've got to make sure our educators are not screening out the money's unique student says will ellsworth i'm really concerns made you see i think the mathematical thinkers think you needed to think not a visual thinker you know

i'm finding a lot of visual thinkers do geometry just fine please don't scream out with i guess we need to have all different kinds of minds and i found that all years of work reconstruction projects that kind of thing but that's how i think because in construction i had to so much of how design it supervises construction and start it up and make it work we get their job done and it's so smart is in the basement playing videogames not get the job done so i just wanta finish up and say winter and construction you're gonna get the job done thank you very much if you're listening to dr temple grandin professor of animal science at colorado state university and widely renowned lecture on autism and learning behavior professor brandon travels around the world speaking about her own experiences growing up with autism and was the subject of a two thousand ten film

starring claire danes she has written numerous books including thinking in pictures animals make us human and the way i see it grandin spoke a kansas state university on november twenty ninth two thousand sixteen as part of the landon lecture series on public affairs coming up grandin takes questions from the audience at mccain auditorium support for k pr prisons on kansas public radio comes from the lawrence transit system in cooperation with katie you helping writers dave on fuel costs cut carbon emissions and reduce traffic congestion routes and schedules are available at lawrence transit dot org and from crime while solar designing and installing solar since nineteen eighty two and now offering sales and lease options for the installation of solar power on homes farms and

businesses more information at cromwell's solar dot com you're listening to kbr presents on kansas public radio yeah my name's daniel influence you how did you do with the kids of all you for your school we're gambling was really car and places i was not believed it when i was a shared interest so good and all the things like the robotics are music buying and on it as one hours to electronics the kids are interested in math we're not doing the bully i'm not actually i had one little worse by blank when we had a bad nerve school doing giant stilts made up to what ups and i played with giant still won the worst police while we're doing giant stilts even believe me so get involved with shaggy haired interests i'm that so that's an audio great career think you know that's the

best line and that was a good time to just turn off of causality get text a dime when you're doing a favor buying tax to buy police said you don't get it but get shared interests that's eighteen my friends were horseback riding like phonics and mama rock club and i'm a hit with these dunes one i made a rocket that look like our civil liberties dr grandin i wanna thank you very much for your present taste and i'm having a little trouble getting that image of the rock it looking like a principal out of my mind right now but would you give some advice to the educators in this room we have many many students but we have faculty staff instructors give us some advice on how we can be sure not to screen out students with unique skills that we can all of our senators drop they'll climb up if now i'm not suggesting dropping

all my loan subsidies statistics or geometry or or something else of a lot of visual thinkers can do geometry just find it and i don't know what's going on was pre algebra stuff because the americans and fighting now can find an area area historical is ridiculous also built on strikes what kids get exposed to and so we take out all the theater and by and of music and cooking and selling and woodworking and welding in auto mechanics of a huge wage right now diesel mechanics kids are getting exposed last thing is corruption is still interested because they get exposed in the morning i gave the top doesn't itemize of jeremy lamb and a half the scientists there how did you get interested in high energy physics high school physics teacher mike edison cattle goes back to high school so many stones it

starts there to protect out all things explores the kids interesting careers and i can't never synchronous transmission he talked about early intervention what happens if one learns to adapt wrongdoing not diagnosed until retirement how does one and a dirt road that went to the main one into normal society to go ahead and function properly well that's so abstracted can't answer at it now and i'm talking about early intervention and about the kids that i'm talking to kinds of autism you've got little kids that are not talking with me real severe looking at a straight you got to do a lot of intensive one on one teaching get the kid talking they got the kid it's diagnosed at a vietnam veteran i know friends mixed up all the time with adhd then you've got some people later are ok want to ask you what he done for professional life the most unsatisfying job i could find one out of four hundred tested now under

retired the job was mayor clark ok you da da and you and that's doing better than a lot of activity for thirty six years when you cast that sharp end and not delivering the most important thing that they don't do you any good center like how to fit into a society i mean i think the best thing to do find a hobby a shared interest that's where your friends are gonna bury work is what makes my life worthwhile and he left no time even to give up teaching know last night on board a day spent three hours side teachings to drive your taste a basic diet cat behavior and teachout is a scale learn how to do a drawing i am does it do something really worthwhile find a hobby or something you like to do when i get a beekeeping reading ok wonders get really involved with beekeeping you join a beekeeping clark i

get really good at keeping write about magazines that's where your friends about that affect you for your encouragement ok well i'm a writer i i am an eleven year old man i'm curious how do you get them to work on delays in our first what i learned something about this lesson you took a deliverable following for usa today that's my basic reading test well yeah because i'm trying to get some idea of where the level it's absolutely highlight ten years all the blog the church he needs a church dropped them like jumping and i search and i found that one had was selling albums my first job at thirteen i was proud of the fact i got paid for doing and i'm when i was running the worst foreign it had i was planned effect that was taking care of the horses and then also how to take care of the horses know i was good at doing and so it's that is something that your eleven year old to do for a job

he's very high anxiety that's the problem well ok how much exercise he gets not a lot are we need about this exercise and woody have a breakfast with the librettist he's very particular set of breakfast granola bar that's why seeing in the industry this morning and this became real serious about this and all are from reckless legendary heavy almost non functional exercise them approaching in the morning and then i'd been on antidepressants is my early thirties to stop the anxiety i recommend you get like thinking in pictures book it's the sale outside and there's a chapter in there on how i dealt with anxiety and there's a place where you might be a little prozac he's on and i'll tell you at

all three of the best designers meetings do in awarding destruction twenty years ago the visual thinkers on nowhere authentic monsters abuses on the project is on exercise riders isi on that day and it passed laws are not want to honor depressants low doses et use the united press and finds it must've every mold also served and get education and insomnia set that up as exercise and he does not want to raise kids are getting into when i was fifteen i was afraid of my hands my eyes i'm gonna my hands french would be in our cell where volunteers had a choice i could ogle when people say i'm not the one was not much ice is going out there when something's ok ok at the church are we don't attend church well paying and then you find something else they walked on to the neighbors

he's days to get out and do something outside the cycle of big outside the home doing something on his schedule for somebody else for friendly something every day like walking dogs somebody else's thought about your own he's got a bigger six o'clock in the morning and take <unk> his dog out something is to start learning now what kind of interest is here though a lot like what computers star warriors james bond to get a star wars club started i was one of you know waiter teacher that did that her school are to begin that it is gold star wars club started elementary school do what they can happen and joshua kolko from concordia kansas i was somebody who was diagnosed with asperger's syndrome a lease before they took it off the dsm five i was a found myself a significantly more skilled the

statistics must were classmates and the visual appeal why you get a good job with statistics if you are hiring do my statistics that well they'll still you can do now and freelance i was thinking about recently i've been taking on more about my career choices and take him on my head with a modest lately i knew in college identifying aware of right now i'm an and the senior in the school senior in high school ok let's say taming the case day i'd do internships in the summertime we recommend every student yellow my college or here to look at the websites of all the different apartments and find interesting is interesting professor in entomology and all volunteer to work and his life because that's a backboard that gets you in all kinds of things and not know what it is to be a professor of animal science comes first and autism his second artisans a

very very important part of the way but i did an awful lot of stuff out the cattle industry before in my autism stuff i know my people in the cattle industry yeah you want an entomologist first animal a team statistics comes first need to find some are you gonna see it as your web site and i would go around on all the different apartments and don't read their papers online and then you know what we look his office he'll say about asperger's you show a portfolio some years to test things like that i have your heart if i'm released made friends about the kansas and i have a fourth grade santa with high fencing topped with an easy to play a fourth seed so i'm wondering he's a visual thing with verbal dances arts skills to manage a lot of different kinds of art art on a sign the learned to be an

artistic he has very little interest in our location audition are ok what interested in videogames he likes mario kart and we don't let him play video games why one hour a day so will the fifty fifty that we can't use that at their behavior if he does well at school if he doesn't have bad behaviors that the reward that there was it like to do besides play mario when he wants to be a racecar driver laura leslie let's get busted the race car interest rates once the mathematics with race cars but for some physics and some scientists have a race car or not was an easy interstate eighty and andy want to tap into that fixation what kind of response you like me he loves jeff gordon he lets nascar star like nascar stock cars ok then when it uses a particular type of racecar and valuable art a lot of mathematics and physics and science just on how race cars apple now they're different from

regular course and you know in the slot on the outside of the nonstop on the inside my question of how you know you say get rid of the algebra but we can't how do i get a visual thinker through how different their cell or not they're going to bring out that's the problem thing that saved me was a finite man and i'm like a silicon valley people got a montessori scripts that some things are going to change on this because i i'm saying too many kids to be taught as a good house are floating out and they're having a really really awful how come i'm not suggesting getting rid of all my mouth but i think something's really wrong here and the pattern thinkers are taking over our lives it doesn't do are things that we build a cargo plane you know meet algebra but you do need the old fashioned sixth great mass i would start thinking about what this kid doing cross

the barrier of entry industry ok you need to reach us at a level of really believe that and indeed all facets as frank mathison courses and welding and shop it doesn't show any of those kind of interest now i mean he loves to read he simply loves to lead to a very eloquent reader at the comprehensive is going to get him to put it out on top attention without breaking down there's levels of comprehension on you know there's i'm okay let's say you've read about the samsung phone ya law firm hold the carpet southwest airlines ok that's something that's very straightforward okay pick up a picture of the bergdahl last week he'll read and tell me your novel the carpet interview unless it had to do with superman will see me as different levels but then there's another level why do these phones because they wanted the apple and they rushed him into production that stay behind your

level of cooperation how is he just on things like table manners guy he's dressing showering although scientists you need some reminders that he does a pretty good job he's i think they eventually i i think that he would be able to live on its own i think we want to only enforcers right yes yes you know that that guy what he wonders make sure you keep improving having will go the next question on a laugh miami's out more from hudson gets intimate dinner this year and junior high school college high school high school ok and one the main things that they now think about was my question is alyssa that the tree lot about animals which did you want to know where all the more about the behavior an outing supposed to travel in high school and what i meant woman looking into lots of justin's get interested in prayers and

students get interest in things they get exposed too and that's why the reasons why doing internships assault or like this university and an online university it like fifty different internships on different stuff in the travel industry you know like a range of the yard packing plant the pharmaceutical industry there's all kinds of different things and he had just tried for years on and find out something that you might like to you and it emphasizes the harry student you junior in high school what you find something wrong with him set a base to use new york the no as a kid what they are is a field where you put your portfolio up online it's good enough in different wage jobs that's how i start all my business is start out sighing painting sign painting then gradually won over and the design paralysis tom you start that out of business one job at a time they put up online on the rubber so

the line you want something where they look at a web page and it's a thirty second while and you start to i do in commissions in and bought the business so i hope your heart is on your phone because you never know where you can show up to somebody and get a job and are into pure stuff you can do not world health and safety rules you started out doing some of this stuff thank you thank you i dared utter grandin my name is lana and i'm in my final year of an applied behavior analysis program and i was wondering what is it that early intervention is like myself can do whatever were working with these children diagnosed with autism and relate with a furry little ones to twenty four year olds i work with all ages well i had a lot of ad age i stopped when i was very young the one thing you need to slow down and a nazi at war it's there's a lot of tar

pressing problems and and i might be huge will look up and she broke up and then to go college our show down slow down the other thing is they're like a slow computer give them trying to respond in front of our dj the other thing to look at is the sensory issues sometimes you gotta go and entered the front door open for others against me quietly in the back door because you're going to drive them in the sensory overload so more than just a few attempts to get one more question my name is seth like failing from salina kansas how did you deal with it was doomed are on the suit in college soft mind my school ok how did you deal with how did you deal with being kind of separate from the appearance it was difficult and the places where i was not separate was that share your interests this is why i emphasized to sell much horseback riding ahead

france rockets i had friends electronics a franzen author of the friends of the billing media giant stilts for a few weeks and what do you like to do well i really like to build with legos want to get involved with other other on building staff and that would be really good i'm also a big fan of fifa any better make sure to comment for fans showing up at showing it steers the best thing you can be doing those kinds of things out there is obviously a cargill inspire aircraft is doing because i'm trying to figure out how to get their mechanics isolate you can't take middle school kids in department does not allow so what they're doing is the ring videos in but they're bringing in electronic what's called a programmable logic and for that down works all the automated equipment and letting a kids'

program that tlc a real tlc from a real cargill plant when the robots so it's like lego blocks they get to use a real deal see controller ok that's carrier introduced to something in the work will be done safely completely safely i'm get involved with getting violent more specialized friends at okay i don't have a lot more questions that that's the head as the end of a few days old dr grandin thank you you've just heard dr temple grandin professor of animal science at colorado state university and widely renowned a lecture on autism and learning behavior drawing from her own experience on the autism spectrum professor grandin has written numerous works including thinking in pictures the way i see it and the autistic brain she was also the subject of a two thousand

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