Whose Body, Whose Rights?

are looming doom danny ling is and so finally use circumcision began in the united states in the late eighties sixties as a method of preventing masturbation thing isn't any hygiene issue visas tackled him a little something like this and this is dirty so let's cut off are these

physicians acting as modern day which doctors i don't know that they took an oath to serve as agents or social person i don't want to feel different from all the other employees do you want my sons to walk but if i had any inkling of what i know now that there's no way they could have been i'm starving babies screaming doctors cutting there's blood everywhere and adopted into my face and he said there's no medical reason for doing this and that was the question i think that really changed was you in during the past century medical and social fears about intact male genitalia have surfaced among

the few western nations to put information on the history of circumcision in the united states is very scant that's why i set about doing my research and i have to the state announced actually three thousand articles all of them detailing the history of circumcision nine states in this country there is a common thread running through out circumcision advocacy it turns out that whatever diseases the focus of national attention and whatever given time period the circumcision advocates use that disease as an excuse for circumcision during his research hodges learned that in the united states genital mutilation began as a nineteenth century attempt to control children sexuality by allegedly sharing masturbation among the illnesses masturbation was believed to cause or insanity epilepsy cancer prone laps of the rectum and

blindness to name just a few one of the leading proponents of circumcision therapy was john harvey kellogg who also promoted the benefits of his own health invention the corn flake many books of kellogg's day alerted doctors and parents to the signs of masturbation droopy eyelids peevishness rounded shoulders and nervousness even boldness or shyness to prevent or cure masturbation and children a wide array of devices were invented in at mediate kellogg published his own widely popular book on the subject plain facts for old and young as a cure for us traditional in boise had this to say a remedy for masturbation which is almost always successful in small boys is circumcision the operation should be performed by a surgeon without a ministering an anesthetic as the brief pain attending the operation will have a

salutary effect on the mind especially if that is connected with the idea of punishment as it may well be in some cases but in at ninety one english surgeon jonathan hutchinson became the first physician to propose janet alteration of healthy children as a preventive of disease and added to that would find increasing favor over the next one hundred years i may indeed go further than this and about my conviction that measures more radical than circumcision would if public opinion committed their adoption be a true kind as to many patients of both sexes of course circumcision never did prevent masturbation but to this day circumcise is advocated preventive aspects for an unbelievably wide range of diseases in the nineteen forties when the nail disease was the focus of national attention the circumcision activists

said that circumcision would prevent and cure disease in the nineteen fifties and sixties when cancer was the great fear the american public actually circumcision was used as a cure and a preventative for cancer in the late nineteen eighties and the nineteen nineties when aids in a charity has become a tremendous problem circumcision applicants had abdicated circumcision as a way to reduce the risks the us military had a tremendous effect on the circumcision rates in this country during world war one and world war two the army kept very detailed statistics on an aerial disease they'll disease was considered a grave problem because it kept and then in the hospitals rather than on the battlefront military doctors published reports proving that blacks were responsible for the spread of a new disease so blacks were naturally targeted circumcision and me frankly very racist articles written about

blacks in medical journals that are published by the army showing why blacks were so promiscuous how they were unable to be taught how to wash themselves how they couldn't be trusted to learn to protect themselves during sex and that attitude of surgery was the only possible way of controlling the room this incursion into the rights of black soldiers at times under threat of court martial quickly became a concerted effort to educate the four skeins of all soldiers and when they returned home after the war they had been indoctrinated into the belief that circumcision was necessary and when their children were born in the dark and in certain size and then automatically parents didn't object and they didn't have a choice but they didn't object because they had been told that it was absolutely necessary almost all of today's medical literature advocating

circumcision has been generated by a small but vocal group of non intact males could these obsessive efforts to scientifically prove for skin pathology also be an unconscious attempt to rationalize their own mutilation what about big cultural beliefs what is the psychology of a circumcise are two leading circumcision advocates dr edgar schoen and dr thomas was well who might shed more light on the subject did not respond when asked to substantiate the advocacy but while most doctors try to avoid controversy by appearing neutral more health professionals are challenging the perceived necessity routine circumcision including dr edina deli is a popular radio and television programs advise consumers on a wide range of health plans it's only in america mark linkous outmoded believe we squeaky clean americans you know who have sons of the world and cleanse the weather our products in our anti bacterial year old jihad

hygiene issue is hysterical to me because something like this this is dirty so let's cut off if indeed the four skin is dirty then the vagina is dirty or if indeed an excuse to circumcision is that the force can is dirty that we have a better excuse to circumcise females are so poor is a solution rather than trust personal hygiene however mutilation of both sexes seemed a more dependable way to prevent disease female circumcision was a spouse two reputable american medical journals until the late nineteen fifties uncontrolled attempts to surgically mold the body to their vision of health led well intending physicians to routinely discard body parts they perceived as troublesome and non essential like the appendix the tonsils the adenoids the clearest and both the female and male for skin of these only

routine circumcision of males remains as a solution in search of a problem if you look at the history of circumcision in america one reason after the other than originally started to prevent masturbation which obviously didn't work then as a promotion for cleanliness and it was decided that that really isn't necessary that is very easy to wash themselves and we don't live in unsanitary conditions that prevents cancer of the cervix of the women in that has been discounted and prevents cancer of the penis obviously some validity of that it's said that there is no reason that hygiene won't do as well as statistics from other countries have proven and now the latest which once again now we've we got a solution that has the pan the colors know urinary tract infections circumcision excuses espoused by kellogg might sound laughable to us or fifty years from now from today's accuses be considered oddly the majority of infants male circumcision

is in the us are done by specialists and female genitalia obstetricians many of whom do so not for medical reasons but simply to accommodate parental fears about conformity i don't know that they took an oath to serve as agents for a social custom and yet that's exactly what they're doing when they perform medically unnecessary operations on and consenting children and fathers consent to the surgery for their son's day perhaps unconsciously are really more concerned about their own gentle integrity than that of their sons fathers and sons will always look different for sure you may see a lot of similarities between me and my son four hours in the way or goes but fundamentally were different people and everybody in the world is unique and the idea that you have to circumcise your son so that he will match your genital anatomy and will suffer psychological damage of this is not done has never been proven one factor

accounting for so much concern over this normal general structure is the fact that there's still widespread almost systematic ignorance about the functions of the force can even in the medical community i graduated from cornell medical school in nineteen sixty seven hours top zero but the structure and function before chanel for most of the year as a medical student we don't learn anything about four states in my anatomy textbook there's two lines about the forest and its it's this game that polls but opponents so that and then reattach is around atlanta the payments and then the second line is it's the skin that's usually remote areas that incision and that's it the entire textbook and this is a very serious ethical problem for physicians because how can they be removing a part of the body about which they know nothing now if they are not taught this in medical school if they don't have this knowledge it's impossible for them to share their knowledge with parents the best message that we can

give it to parents and doctors nurses or anybody that takes care of babies babysitters is lead the force kilo don't retract they don't cut it don't get rich and don't do anything to it in infancy the force he was actually attached to the rabbit to peanuts as though this detachment occurs during the life of a male individual and the force could becomes mobile it is then working as obliging mobile shape the penis then during sexual intercourse can glide in and out of its own rather gentle self this not only increases the pleasure for the male that decreases the abrasion loss of implication for the female a longtime critic of this penile reduction surgery has been world renowned scholar ashley montague who maintains that before skin is an essential part of male genital anatomy guyette doesn't matter as to your members continue the that your skin is very highly integrated

and when separated that is a serious injury montague described a piece of normal skin the size of a quarter as having more than twelve feet of nerves and over fifty nerve endings recent preliminary research and to force construction pfizer to be more densely nerve laden than any other part of the penis far from being a little snip infant circumcision destroys the inner and outer folds of the four skin which in the average adult male comprise almost one third to one half of the penile shaff skin or about fifteen square inches of the righteous tissue fifteen square inches comfortably fits fifteen quarters this analogy helps us to understand that the adult for skin contains more than two hundred and forty feet of nerves and over one thousand nerve endings making be intact penis capable of sending more nerve impulses to the pleasure centers of the brain that a penis that lacks a four string

when you're missing twelve to fifteen square inches of exquisitely designed highly complex and ringer of living tissue from your penis it has to affect the pleasure dynamic and the function of the penis some parents i have very strong beliefs that their babies should be circumcised either this is from social or cultural or things they've heard i'm rarely it informed enough to know that they are damaging their babies by circumcised and it's been there is a special human reaction to trouble see some

of those in the common makes a big impression stays around police officer withdraw our sensory become very quiet was actually apparently asleep which is one of the responses of new ones have paid that we would like to think that it's as easily raced or that it's superficial the media to something physical and when it's over it's over that that's the way medicine generally looks at early trouble psychologists are learning that this is not the case on trial is serious pain is serious for decades the medical profession healthy babies did not feel pain could not tolerate anesthesia in nineteen eighty five for newborns pain responses were scientifically documented and while a few questionable effective anesthetics have since been developed only a small percentage of these babies today received anesthesia what we have here is the very first experience in the new born

is to experience in all those excruciating pain when the brain systems a neural systems are designed by nature to experience pleasure people need to understand is that there is a common denominator the roles female genital mutilation and male genital mutilation and its roots are in trying to control of not eradicate the sexual passion the sexual pleasure that is inherent in those inherited damage impaired by militiamen genitals we have to confess that there's been no major studies no large scale studies know really analytic studies that i know anything about to prove what the consequences might be our leader in live from isn't circumcision boys constitute

eighty four percent of all sexual mutilations in the world five mails for every female victim in almost all cultures would be no mutilation occurs male mutilation is also widespread internationally how are the places i go on in europe or are most people don't even conceive of the idea that genital mutilation some boys goes on in the united states when they're told that it does probably sixty percent of the baby boys born here are circumcised they're shocked because europeans generally consider male genital mutilation in the same category as female genital mutilation attack by some superstitious individual with a knife on the genitals of young children i know that's curtis kept it doesn't matter how you slice it or how you cut it covers campaign spain it was just because of my only place in my own pain i thought that we had with the clue criticism of male genital

mutilation in the us predates our recent concerns about female genital mutilation ethiopian born survivor mean iran's he acknowledges that the common violation is not just physical integrity but body ownership and self determination she questions the defense that it is done with the best of intentions how can that yeah with another person without a penny in her book prisoners are virtual cross cultural six allah just an award winning author honey lightfoot cline discusses what she and other professionals have discovered about the psycho sexual effects of genital mutilation the area from which orgasm has elicited in the body ah can marry and that the mind can read a round if i one area is destroyed it

moves it to another one male and female genital organs evolved from the same embryo logic tissues the male glance and the female coders are designed by nature as internal structures each protected by full to specialize skin mp taking these protective folds externalize the glands and the clippers leaving them exposed to lifelong damaging effects of an abrasive environments when this kind of damage occurs in infancy could explain why the non intact male generally remains unaware of his last until much later in life he's saddened done what everyone was damaged has to do which is to our compensate and moon from the mine didn't stick to the area or are we might even say that because he is not familiar with the orgasm that he's able to have with a force in r

what he has is normal for a man in this culture to say my penis is not a normal or my penis has some kind of deformity this is takes a great deal of strength of character so not every man is going to do it then tell amazing most about it that the women's movement was the mother's womb with that manhattan spoke out that shockingly in nineteen ninety two a body image survey by the men's magazine journeyman discovered that seventy eight percent of respondents with a force can we're happy to be attacked while twenty percent of non intact respondents were dissatisfied with their lack of the force a preliminary poll of over three hundred non intact man in nineteen ninety three by the organization no harm may explain this dissatisfaction their report revealed a wide range of physical sexual and psychological damage to men circumcised in infancy but when i think about i think about it with outrage by alicia

mutilation does not fully directory rex with a band loss of the moving parts of the book in this deep psychological trauma sexual dysfunction progress the sensitivity of ours pitting and scornful glance at last a lifetime damaged goods and then it provides me with no benefits whatsoever there really is a long term harm circumcision aside from the initial trauma anesthesia does not solve the the fundamental problem of infant circumcision because all anesthesia does is it masks the pain unfortunately anesthesia will never mask the mutilation that will always be there many men don't know and don't want to know that they've been scarred that they've been desensitized that there may be other complications and their sex lives many men wrote in to say that they had to resort

to prolong exaggerated thrusting in order to achieve enough stimulation to reach orgasm and this not only impacted them in terms of their sexual experience in terms of abrasion and bleeding but also in many cases their their female partners and it resulted in abrasion and bleeding and lack of implication for their their wives or girlfriends it took me a long time even after i knew about the real dangers and harm and four was circumcision before i could fill out the horn documentation for i procrastinated i put off i filed it away i did everything i think about my own are the reason that we find men coming out in larger numbers now about long term adverse outcomes from infant circumcision is because when you look at the demographics of how infant circumcision was performed in this country it just about reached its zenith in that

period between nineteen forty and nineteen sixty that would place man born during those years at the age grouping right now in nineteen ninety five between age thirty five and fifty five c you have the largest pool of circumcised man probably in history in any one location on here in the united states and these men are beginning to report this type of harm because that harms showing up in record numbers i am angry about my own circumcision but that was a long time ago in my mind when i think now thirty three years later that it's still going on still going on even though we've landed on the moon and we have computers everywhere and and we've gone through such tremendous social upheavals such tremendous re evaluation of society and our values that this thing is still stuck in our

practices that makes me angry does a child's body belonged to his parents or to religion or to the culture and what about the child's right of self determination the one who will ultimately have to live with the consequences circumcision does more than just remove a force can circumcision removes a choice that choice should be the right of every individual boy and man to make on their own and to circumcise an instant whether the day or eight days is to permanently remove that choice and that right that that human being has to control their body what concerns me as an attorney about newborn routine in from circumcision are is that each of these babies are born with

the entire cup i full slate of rights of both the state and federal constitution you may say that baby is wrapped in the united states flag and then the california fly and all of the constitution protection as they go along with oil slicks and what we see happening routinely use these critical rights of the scenes that are or invade it without any kind of that because dish of safeguards without any kind of procedures to protect the sacred rites of the chopper i believe that this was really for a mate and first political cause in my life i had been involved in peripherally and some different political causes i've worked on some for the equal rights amendment for nuclear disarmament it always felt very far away from me but they felt like good causes you know in the abstract i could believe in them i did work on them but didn't feel like me and was out for wisdom

and this was something that was very really politicized and i think it also opened me up to realize that this had been done to me then the sculpture can do so many things to so many people and you really have to look behind whatever you're told is for iran whatever you're told this right and really question ooh as i got into my twenties i think one day i just looked down and i saw this car there that always been there and for some reason just popped in my head and i said why is there a scar here why is there a scar and i guess i first became aware of the circumcision issue not in therapy i went to a workshop where a man was being

worked with on his circumcision and i found a very visceral our reaction to what was happening here that i wound up working on my own healing as i did the research i get more angry and more upset as the rationale that my mother had originally given me when i was five years old in everyone had given the end of the culture gives a story to slip away when i didn't have that reason anymore to feel like this was done for my own good i know that the most painful part of my life was the sole circumcision experience alone first the complete lack of information much this decision making that i had on a major thing that was happening to my body secondly how we in this culture in general especially on do not regard the wishes and needs of young people in particular very much shaheed

go on he they don't feel any pay his is done without thinking that this was done to me what i feel wise and the doctors were telling us to pair of doctors who did it who had seen it done who had seen the daily screening were telling parents this and i really think they probably believed you know that baby was screaming in front of them i think they probably believe that that baby was not feeling pain or they're because the baby as a man later would probably not remember what he had been through it therefore was not important that it had no impact there are many many reasons why i think we did the right thing by leaving her son attacked her first of all he didn't get the psychological trauma that i got that that ruined substantial portion of my childhood he has the choice to do it himself but he wants to have that done

and later time for some reason which i couldn't fathom are his sexuality his is unimpaired he's got his god given sexuality the scar that eighty percent of american men carry circumcised recommend kerry is not simply the dark ring around the penis whether to cut fuel but it's actually everything from that point forward including the ago and switches are five and tears in our eyes over years because it had to be torn apart in order to successfully complete the circumcision escaped some of the other horrible things that can happen when skin bridges the hemorrhage substance that things haven't saved some children actually die for this the medical providers high this information for example the lawsuit that took place that up and alaska recently all which involved a boy who developed paralysis as result

of an infection to the brain from his circumcision arm was lost at the trouble and was just recently overturned by the alaska supreme court because the hospital conveniently lost all of those child's medical records these injuries that occurring unnecessarily because the circumcision procedures so it's unnecessary doctors do in fact try to market circumcision to people i think that they tried to make parents feel guilty that you're not doing the best technical possible medical things for their children farm i think it is a money game for the doctors the thing it's many came for the insurance people who would talk about a billion and a quarter dollars a year industry made into a fifty thousand ns and boys circumcised united states yuli and a hundred bucks a pop now that's a bit of a warrior that's a lot of incentive let me tell you

monetary incentive for male sexual mutilation is a recent development for centuries male elders have mutilated countless millions of boys and for centuries many have borne the shouted channel stars in isolation in silence what about the times are changing and men are talking to one another about the impact of sexual mutilation on their lives they're meeting to discuss matters of regaining their natural genital integrity and the coming together to challenge bolt the secular and the religious practice of infant genital mutilation one people use the argument well it's better to have it done at birth because at least it's it's over with but there are a number of reasons why it's it's really we're still haven't done at birth elisa and all the forest and is fully developed differentiated tissue as is the glass but for an incident with the membrane device of forcing the plans together are those selected

but it's too big for just the fact that you need to terrorist tissue off of an infant this undeveloped issue in order to cover that should tell any reasonable person that this is obviously an operation it should not be performed the circumcision became an issue for me about five years ago and part of that same attitude as anyone else's to his subjects for jokes nothing else and i barely knew what it was but i was attending a sexuality conference in which they use large models to demonstrate genitals and they were not even talking about circumcision there were to show in normal genitals and that their male model happened to be an circumcised and when i saw how he looked and how it functions reid described the feelings that he had in areas that were essentially destroyed in me i was emilio well begin crying i was just blown away

by it that it's emotional impact lawyers often couldn't be denied and as a gay man i have had a lover who is intact and through that i have become where you know i was able to have that conversation and became aware that it is very different and things i thought were just genetically different and us we're in fact a physiological know because of my circumcision of my sons were born i didn't know anything about where i had a mom i really didn't want it done but i grew up in this like fundamental religious background and it had to be a christian way you've got to do this but some sense that i didn't want to do it that i succumbed my first son fled in the why fb you just have to kind of wounding the sexual organs of male infants is increasingly being questioned only by the general public

but by many in the jewish community as well this summer and this this is this is a life that i cherish and i'm not even going to cotton from silly thing that is possible but i think that john would assert that fewer president has granted miriam pollack has spent over twenty years as a jewish educator as a mother of two sons she witnessed the amputation of therefore skins in the traditional jewish ceremony chris those experiences have led her to reexamine the brits ritual what does it mean when we take a knife to a child's genitals and where does that come from i'm inside of a bar culture inside our psyches and it had to ask these questions even though or because they chose to circumcise my boys is thinking this was the only way

that i live in an area i understand it wasn't crazy judaism had been a very powerfully matrilineal culture in terms of orthodox judaism and even the law of the state of israel the identities of your mother is it do you argue the use of the force that oregon is evident for bodily injury caused to that morgan is exactly that which is desired there is no doubt that circumcision weakens the power of sexual excitement and sometimes lessons that natural enjoyment our stages a distinctly it is hard for a woman with whom none circumcised has had sexual intercourse to separate from him my mind at ease was a very great tall century

jewish philosopher physician and rabbi my mind it is revealed to us that circumcision performs two functions one it deals with the fear of woman and the other the fear of pleasure and part circumcision it all is a way of competing with this matrilineal this very strong matrilineal heritage within judaism circumcision accomplishes this guy finally preaching the maternal infant bond by mutilating the baby on his sexual organ by binding to baby boy with the men of the community and the men from generations before him and with mar got that his image as male and by cyclists actually wounding this baby boy circumcision it's

fundamental to patriarchy but it is not wholly and so we must ask who is defining what is sacred here where is the sacredness of the mothers feelings to protect her newborn child my father's rabbi so from a very early age i was trained and religious teachings and handful exposure to all of the jewish rituals i was taught to believe that circumcision was very special that made me special but somehow it being the elite and mamie part of a greater family of jews and also that i was better in some ways because i had been circumcised i was more civilized i was more clean i was more discipline leaving the circumcision that we do today is a relatively modern procedure and that it came during the hellenistic period and day it's a much more drastic than the ritual circumcision which was

removal of the bigger the forest and that was passed a glance it was changed was because of the what was perceived as assimilation into the larger greek society devoted to the cause of our long tradition of education and in a long tradition of discussion and i feel sort of sad that although even in among religious jews you can question got to question that the decisions of god it it seems like you can't question circumcision without being labeled an anti semite and that's absurd what kind of ceremony can we create or have there been ceremonies at already been created that will make up for the region and i will also be agreed to cover it's a metal grating the child into the the jewish family attended one of this is a wonderful ceremony

there will be a new community everybody was smiling from here to hear there is no reason as i've heard this really is your carry on lise valentine oh yes

that was just incredible you should also know that if they are considering not circumcise thing that there are other jews were doing that and who are remaining jews any meaning active in their communities their children are being barred botnets that and they are not being excluded from the community the question of standing up being circumcised and living in a sea of the jews who who's jewish boys are are circumcised again has not come up you know is it that something wasn't a jazz pianist but he views his penis is being good and i hope that all of us who have certain size pieces of you are working this is is inherently ok despite was that us not all circumcised men feel good about what was done to them and growing numbers of non attack men from all walks of life are

seeking to undo the damage of a mutilation to regain their natural general integrity and to experience renewed homeless many are pursuing nonsurgical force can restoration and that's what the changes mean for me the level of sensitivity i could have had an attack and then to be restoring and within it was within three or four weeks i acquired a sensitivity that i had never done in my life in nineteen ninety the national organization of restoring man known was founded to provide men with the necessary technical and moral support for reclaiming their bodies i come to the group so that i can find support and so it's hard to be out there alone in dealing with the issue of fashion some of this is a crudely idea that history and fun to understand insurers

when i get out of coming to the er norm begins to support encouragement and new information and we're kind of like pioneers all boats and each of us have something to contribute as were experimenting jim bigelow is the author of the joy of an circumcised in a scholarly work dealing with the history and the methods of and circumcision his book sheds light on the motivations of men seeking to take back their body from the circumcised many men who as a young circumcised males have no notion that anything was diminished about your penis have discovered as they get older that the toughening of the glands is an ongoing process and then when they began to get some information particularly information flow uk intact mails that that that's not necessarily so you get them on hold group on there's a group of men who say hey i've been robbed i've been cheated it i want it i don't want that to

happen to me i want to i want to reverse that process and when to stop it i think frustration is a great outlet for that kind of angry emotion that rises up like have a lot of it myself i am in fact it was the anger that allowed me to get to decide that i should be restored and i thought if i have this much emotional energy around this issue than i should be doing something to try to correct the situation and restoration gives me the sense that i am doing there there's a sense of empowerment reclaiming the part then there are an increasing number of men who feel that their rights were violated running the the whole concept that are as an infant someone made this choice about your body that you didn't have any say in the matter is is that a concept that is i think in ranging an increasing number of men once the

male discovers that he has some injury from the circumcision are for example just the fact that he's missing the foreskin and awe and that like before skin has caused us a decrease the city and he can relate back to some kind of odd sexual dysfunction or some kind of emotional problem and he can certify of verify that through a mental health provider then he will have a one year from the date of the discovery of an injury to bring a lawsuit men who i just turning eighteen they will have until their nineteenth birthday one year from the date of the age of majority odd to bring a lawsuit on the bases of say i like of informed consent was the public understands and notice that these routines and circumcision to causing because of injuries that we know

that people will i believe storm the house pulled the hospitals and demand that this political procedures stopped well those seeking social change have not stone hospitalized today they have stormed the offices of those who profit from or remain silent about the american circumcision a pony a date

why is that it really is absolutely no excuse whatsoever ari is this an excuse to allay millions of boys every year are completely speeches really on babies like that to them even five years ago talk of this is probably the last of the whole human beings because and when that it

the whole of the old or restrain your style it's been a week now it was the answer and i'm here because

i think this is beside the patients but the patients increasing numbers of men are finding their voice is not in the streets but in literature and the arts including the authors of books about men musician multimedia artist performance artists feel that slice no pain no gain it likely got a thicker than i welcome

to america it's an empty world dear people that are dicks is designed as an internal organ why billy idol or the town shall we pull out your teeth because we know what we've cleaned when filmmakers like burials were interviewed a group of new mexico nurses that collectively refused to assist any longer with routine infant circumcision when they sing on those tours of circumcision really what did they know their parents didn't know what could they tell me about an event that i bear this current this is not ethical and especially when you're taking someone who has not consulted parents can't consent partly what this does not mean the church has consulted tickets you saw on tv you write you so the circumcision the

very next day of the same perfect at it but we're doing it on skype it's common sense and sanity mr rainey i think it's so true this is a sign that really stick the ordinary people like me are taking this issue to sign into the students do information discussed in this program a total innocent mix very negative feelings feelings about dramas we may have experienced about loss of function are about having allowed our children experience such drugs what's important is that we let these feelings inspire us to change our own hands

when this is abandoned by the medical community everyone will want to forget that it was ever done i believe that suddenly it will seem like common sense not to do it and nobody would really want to think about what we want and what it's done to the majority then in this country many simply speaking a child who's a writer on god's design but really really the major question earlier the dion and there's a law to a question when we take a knife to the genitals by a boy baby boy circumcision as a violation of human rights

it's a violation of the human right to an attack on a child's right to make a decision about helping the body parts in the sunshine of his new orleans is a compelling interest right to determine its endowment shall circumcise their been much about jefferson when it happened to order a video cassette copy of whose body whose rights called video finders that one eight hundred three four three four seventy seven a right to video finders at four four zero one sunset boulevard los angeles california nine zero zero to seven in for more information on the subject of techno circuit post office box to five one two san anselmo california nine for nine seven nine

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