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Have you ever owned a gun before? You know, it's never only in a Swiss -Blaid pocket. But now that you've got out of work, we should need a gun. I got to gun outside. What I'm trying to get at is the purpose for the wine to provide the gun. It's not feasible. I can't believe that a man that's out of work for three weeks and goes to collect unemployment compensation, which amounts to maybe $20 or $25 a week. After being out of work for two weeks, you can afford to invest $10, which you say you paid for this time, or something just to have it, when you're concerned with getting $20 or $25 a week to live on. It just doesn't seem right. Especially for a man who has been arrested for robbery once before. Well, at 16, when I was a man, and Joe Napoli said, when I was 16, they said, I wouldn't have an apple. And I knew if I got caught, I can't get out and have to put up a plan. I knew that. Then why didn't you... Why didn't you carry it on? Yeah, I don't know, maybe.

You say it was for personal protection, but that you know that it's against a lot of carry. You know that if you're arrested trying a gun, what the penalty will be. I don't know what the penalty is, but you know that there is a penalty. Yes, I know that it is a penalty. Do you know that it could be up to a year in the county jail? No, I didn't even know that he cared. I don't know that he cared. Hello, it's the possibility. Yeah. Is there any questions? Do you belong a gang around here at all? A gang. Yeah, the black hawks or the clover is going to bite like that. You know what I mean? You say you need to go to protect yourself? No, sir. I said it. That's why it says it's bought a gun. Oh, you think you need something to help you around here? I mean, I go to places. The place I go to a lot of places. Different types of places where I go. I mean, it's not that I did it. You need a gun, but to places when you go to places like that, you're like a company.

Well, you need some kind of protection. Any kind of places where you need protection? Yes. Anybody ever used a gun on you? No, sir. Not so far. Why do you carry it around? Is it kind of a good luck charm or something? No, sir. I don't care. I have never gotten it. I didn't care. I've been number two days. I think it's kind of a neighborhood where you ought to carry a gun to protect yourself. I mean, anybody needs protection. Anywhere. It's more people. It's more people. I'm robbing. I don't need real ads. Do you see these tax force men out here right off? I don't know. I don't know the tax force. Okay. What is that, marijuana? This is marijuana cigarettes. What is your name? George Smith.

How old are you, George? 35. Do you know what you're at now? You're at the Hyde Park Police Station. You're here under arrest. Is that right? That's right. Do you know why you were arrested? Yes. Why are you arrested? Because I was caught with those reefers. And the license plate wasn't clear. Now, you say you were caught with the reefers. Now, what do you mean by reefers? These things. Yeah. Well, these things here, you're pointing to these marijuana cigarettes? The reef is what I call them. Well, you know they're marijuana. I mean, that's the junky name for marijuana reefers. Is that right? Well, I know the reefers. Yeah. And you smoke them. Is that right? I smoke them sometimes. I see. And where did you buy these so -called reefers? I was in South Park. 47 South Park. Earlier tonight? About 730. How much did you pay for it? 50 cents a piece. 50 cents a piece. And you bought three. Yeah. How long have you been

using marijuana? About four or five months. About four or five months. Pardon me? Ever since I've been laid off. You're not working now? No, I'm laid off. And where did you say you lived? Six to four, fifty two dots. And you're separated from your wife. That's right. Now, what was your reason for starting to smoke marijuana cigarettes about four or five months ago? Well, yes. Some of you picked up? That's all. What do you mean you picked up? Did somebody tell you what they were? Well, I know what they were. You know what they were? Yeah, I know what they were. And how many do you use a day? Well, I hardly ever smoke. You hardly ever smoke? No, I don't buy them every day. Well, how often do you buy them? I buy them in about two or three weeks or so. How many do you buy two or three weeks apart? I buy one. Sometimes one or sometimes two. When do you say you

smoke one or two a week? Is that right? No, I don't. Well, how many would you say you smoke? I don't. It might be a month before I smoke again. Well, if you can stay away from smoking marijuana for a month, why do you start again after a month is elapsed? Well, it's just like I have it, just like something else. You would pick up what's wrong. Well, that isn't much of a habit if you only have one once a month. Yeah, well, for my experience, I don't think you smoke more than one a month. No, well, I don't. Well, that's what we think and that's what we're going to make an investigation. Yeah, well. Now, you're going to cooperate with the police and go out and make a buy for us and so we can get the man responsible for selling these marijuana cigarettes. All right, fine. What do you got in the capsules there? Well, we feel tested the capsules and it's not heroin or anything. What do you do in these capsules? I don't know anything about that. That was in the car. The car didn't belong to me. I had the car running and that's all. I fixed the car. But I never

saw that until they got it out of there. Now, why were you arrested originally? Why were you stopped originally in the street by the police? Tonight? Tonight. Because you couldn't see the license plate planner. And I didn't turn my signal light on in time to turn. In other words, you turned. It was a traffic violation. And the traffic violation elected to the discovery of the marijuana cigarettes. My signal light on, my turn signal light on. After I got to the stop. And they said that was wrong and they kind of hallelujah. Well, what I'm trying to say is the police stopped you for a purpose. That was a traffic violation. Yeah, he stopped me for a traffic violation. And then the subsequent search of the car revealed the marijuana cigarettes. They found the marijuana cigarettes. Yeah. And these capsules. Yeah, he got those out the glove. Yes. Now, would you remove your hat, please? Do you have your... When you show me not right in the hat where you had these marijuana cigarettes? Well, I had them in the band

inside my hat. In the band inside of your hat? Yeah. Well, when you were 16 years old, you got a search on the front. And the officer searched you and found his... He searched me and found mine. Right. What's the reason you do it overnight? Well, we don't know. It's hard to say. We're on the street as much as possible. Except when there's a case brought into the station and we go in and handle the case. So if we get three or four, five cases a night, we don't get much time for the street. We're in a more or less of a paperwork. Well, not coming. We got so many motorcycles. And we're in one of the few squads you got, I guess. We have two squads detectives on the street. And the rest are all motorcycles. And we have some... We have sergeants riding in squad cars, also. Supervising sergeants. We have one sergeant for approximately every ten men.

He's making the motorcycles can get in quicker and not quicker. Founders that can get in and out quicker. And it's easier to saturate a certain district with motorcycles and there's with cars. Well, actually, you spent a lot of time down here, weren't you in this particular neighborhood? We're out here approximately two or three times a week. That's outside. How long does it take you to move if you get an order to get out into the other district? Well, that's all right, Rick. I just heard a call there for one of our wheels. Well, we can move for any district in the city within 20 to 25 minutes. I'll have to wait until some three wheels come. They have to wait until we can leave you. If I say 20 to 25 minutes, I mean, that's

to the opposite end of the city. Yeah. Joining district will just take us a few minutes to move in. Just pick up the whole department and go, huh? Well, we just get to just put a call on the radio and everybody will get the attention of the task force and motorcycles. They move right out. Well, you've been on the force a long time. Wouldn't it be wrong with making the whole police force mobile? Well, I couldn't answer that. I really don't know. What is it? There's a wheel there. I don't think that's it. You didn't joke? No, I don't think so. If there's somebody trying to call us now, we can hear just a call here on the radio. $4 .9 billion. $4 .8 billion. $4 .8 billion. $4 .8 billion. $4 .8 billion. $4 .8 billion. $4 .9 billion. $9 .9 billion. He was at a light a lot. Yes, we do. We're going into a call

where it's a wasteful calling for a wagon. We know it's one of our men. Yeah. What are you eating? Michigan? Yeah. You got no sirens anymore, huh? Oh, yeah. The fatigue. I guess I acted on bad information. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

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What? Where do you live? Huh? Where do you live it? All right, all right Jerry, we'll take you home. What's that? What's your hairdo? What's your hairdo? Come on, let's take a home. I don't smoke. Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, got this piece.

Yeah. Four motorcycles. Four motorcycles and a squad, and a squadroll, here at 5 minutes, the reasons for that is... they call for the test -force wagon, just knowing what it is all the units responded at a call, see. There she goes, there she goes. Excuse me, Joe, I didn't hear you. Let's say you're on these air calls, how that we get, you never know what it is. Oh, please, please. I'll call you later. I'll call for a wagon or call for a sergeant to meet him. You never know what you're going to go into. That's why it's all so advisable to get there as soon as you can. Say somebody lie to the street, you know what it is. You never know. Good night. Company 9. Governor, 9. 7. Well, we want to hit her now. Well, we can screw her a little bit here and see. We'll pick up a record here in a few minutes and then you know.

9. 9. 7. You're not coming in at all, though. Nice. You're coming in at all, though. Yeah. I don't know what it is or not. Sounds like one. Yeah. It's pretty well known. The number is 7, though. Yes, we do. We run reuse from 8 .50 to 9 .50. We just have a few wheels over in number 9 .50, so we're going to get a call. We usually know the tires right away. Yeah. 9 .70, 9 .70. 9 .70, 9 .70, 9 .70, 9 .70. I don't know, stay here, back to now 43rd straight ahead. There's a lot of harder things there. I don't know either direction.

It's a kind of a rough pace, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Go from one end to the other end, you know, they call. That's by right. A lot of stopping. A couple miles, you know. 1 .4, 1 .24, 1 .12, 1 .13, 1 .13, 1 .13, 1 .13, 1 .13, 1 .13, 1 .13, 1 .13, 1 .13, 1 .13. You stop cars. Yeah. But they ever, how about crowds like that with the street cars? Well, now with the swarm weather, when you stop an automobile, there's always

a number of people that congregate. Yeah. You see the people have a tendency when they see police that they figure there's something wrong and they want to know what it's all about. That's what you cause of the congregations for people. But how about the large crowds? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. What are you doing here? I've come down quite a bit. You working? Why is it over here? You work today? I think you work today as well. You got some identification there, right? Let me see it. It is all of them. Time card. Put your name in. It's my union card. Put your name in. Joseph Montrose. Yes, sir. Where do you live at? Forty -hundred Lake Park. Forty -hundred Lake Park? Yes, sir. Where do you live now with your mother? Your mother? Who else? My sister and my daughter. Take her identification out of there. I can't see her. What do you want, ma 'am? What do you do for living? Well, I work the swithing time. Swithing company? Yes, sir. Every day? No, not every day, sir. I'm waiting for a call now. See, we had a layoff over there, you know? A

layoff in that present. All right. Sit you there right now. Yes, sir. Seven hundred and seven hundred. I know. Nine hundred and seven hundred. Nine hundred and seven hundred. Nine hundred and seven hundred. Forty -hundred and seven hundred. Forty -hundred and seven hundred. Forty -hundred and seven hundred. Forty -hundred and seven hundred. You were the young lady there? No, sir. I was talking to her. She knows a girl, a friend of mine. And she was asking me how I saw her. That's all it was. Put her sheer sailor or something. She's got a tattoo on her. No, I don't know that much about it, sir. Shut up and back. Seven hundred and seven hundred and seven hundred. Have you been arrested before? Oh, yes, sir. You couldn't live in Chicago long as I am, and that'd be arrested for some reason. I've been there all night. Have you been arrested for it? Give us another example. Well, we are like... Pick some two. You look like somebody. We're doing it. Seven hundred and seven hundred. Forty -hundred and seven hundred. Forty -hundred and seven hundred. Every tonight, time on the West Side, Tony K. Ones Grisha. And I know I was holding over there once. Now, what's wrong? I know the city. I know a lot of cities.

You know, so I ask you what I'm telling you. I know Miss Kelly Dunnell. I know Ursula. I know Mr. Sullivan. How do you know them people? I just work for them. Here's the work for them? Yes, I work for them. I've got some information for them. Sometimes. That was why I said, you know, Okay, go ahead then. Oh, thank you, sir. Okay, yeah. 350, 770, 770, 770, 770. You got an idea with that? Where are we, Joe? What is it? That's right. That's right. You dropped your package. You dropped your marijuana, sir. Don't put that on here. Hello,

five, seven, seven, seven, seven. He's one of Ferrari's, in Pratt and California. One of Ferrari's in 41. What do you think they got in there, right? That's 6800, Garnton. Tell us where you are. Wait a minute, sir. Garnton, black nose. No, too far from here. Man of time, we want to drive in the car. Get in on the way home. Yeah. He'll live up that way. 154, 157, 164, 3434, 144, 176, 154. You got a 1040 in the car, right? Move back along the street. Go for the planter, go for the planter. What's a 1040? Andrew, what is that? Six person. Why is the three cars in the room? It makes sense. 560, 268, 247, 247,

247, 247, 241, on average. 46th and anri. 36th and 40th. So the whole office. Thank you, sir. That's a pretty good place for a headache. Yeah. How about this new code? And then we're going out. All right. All right. We're converting right now. You know, they're putting all the cars in. Half the cars now are on. FM would have for it. Oh, I left my briefcase over in the 6th district. Yeah. That would calm that order. Oh, we

got something in there. I see the wheels part. That's 57, 17th state. On a call from the task force. We'll try to find out what happened. Small crowd gathering around. Kind of an attractive red and white convertible. Joe, you know what it gives? I don't know, as yet. I understand that he has no identification. He's a producer for the automobile that he's driving. He's got dealer of dealer plates on the automobile. He's got a lot of mufflers. Yeah. That's what the officer's stopped of originally. I see. He's stopped a lot of cars, Joe, on the task force. Why is that generally?

Well, the majority of the reason for that is the majority moral traffic violations that the officer's stopped before. And he's got an awful lot of contraband in the car. Absolutely. Yes, we do. Among those 1 ,000 guns that do pick up. That's correct. Well, at least it appears to be kind of a cheerful gathering anyway. Yes, it does. Yeah, it does. Boy, I sure doesn't think long to get here. I'll say that. Does this say we're ready to leave in a moment's notice? Yeah, hold on. Careful with the passenger. Yeah. I'll go for it. All right. I'll go for it. I'll go for it. I'll go. What do you say, David? I went down to the upper east of the Arctic. Well, it's only four or five days after making state crumbs. From back down, it is getting better and better. Yeah. My business place is there's a 360 -75

state. I got another garage at 35 -34 in the rear. It's open now. The type of business that you're in. What type of businesses that you're in? I'm in the used car business and repair, and by the end of it. I do insurance work. Stuff like that. It's just like I told my aunt lost all my identification. It's just like I told her. I went to a second district station. It's just like I told her files in the second district. They all knew me down there. Is this your car here? Yeah, this is my car, yeah. For a nice car. Well, y 'all also some reason you stopped here. Yeah, well, I understand that's his job, see? It's just like a phone, yeah. I told him I had lost. I didn't try to book, drive him around. Because, see, soon, he had to ask me for a meeting. I don't know why I'd come and tell him it's right. I sure didn't mind. What you got here? Well, the demo location I got. Of course, that don't mean in his thing. We're going to take on a check on it anyhow. But, yeah, still, I tried to explain to him.

He said it's my sergeant. Yeah, it's my car. Yeah. Listen, you're always in trouble with you. Don't have your proper identification. I'm sorry, that's me. I told him it's mine. And I'll find that location. I didn't try to block him around. I was calling him the time. Yeah, I have to make use of the car. But in there, I'm setting off the ground. And he said he's going off the ground. Oh, well, let's meet again. I can hit in the front. I'm facing in the front out. You can come down to my shop. I've got a lot of fighting work in there. I'm going now. Look, you're going to take your word for this. But the point is, if you're driving around without identification, you're just asking for trouble. And our kind of an outfit is the kind of an outfit that looks for trouble. Yeah, well, I understand. And that's what I understand there. Okay. You've already got this thing off the street because you get the proper paper, so far. Get the car off the street. Okay. Okay. Lieutenant James Rirton is one of the unit commanders on the task force here. We found

him in six district headquarters here. And I just like to ask him a little bit about the operation of this unit. Where do you start? Well, I don't know, Jack, where you would start. It was a planned operation to try and control the island of street crimes. And as far as the planning was to cover, it seems to be very successful, because we noticed that there was a definite decrease in the number of complaints to the district of which we operation. How many men do you move with, Lieutenant? We have a normal couple, but of about 35. Times are as many as 50, and naturally with furloughs and men off sick, come to town in schools. Our average couple of minutes of about 35, through a lot of motorcycles. And of course, the other unit would have approximately the same thing. Approximately the same. You find a general acceptance of this police practice among the online policeman in town. Yes.

The older policemen seem to condone the idea of arresting and search. Although there was a period of time when the police department was so busy that all it could do was to keep up with the complaints and make the investigations of complaints. Lieutenant, you have a very impressive statistical report on the work of this unit, about the number of guns that you've taken and confiscated, and the number of violent crimes that you have either prevented or for more or less cleaned up in short order. Do you think this is the answer for a modern day police force? Well, I think that it was a definite answer to a police force, especially one of the city this size, where you cannot concentrate a definite number of policemen in a certain area without depriving some other areas of policemen. Here you have the opportunity of moving a good number of policemen into an area for the time that they're required. Of

course, we've been all over the district area just rather briefly and we've seen a tremendous amount of movement. Three wheelers, mostly at course, on the move and two and three and even four at a time, moving into any given call. This is common practice, is it? Well, the men are assigned two to a post, and they travel to a post in Paris. Naturally, the posts are small because of the number of men. The posts do interlock so that if a call comes in on one team's posts, the team on the adjoining post, if they're in the air, will come in and respond to that call also. Men find this kind of interesting and exciting. Yes, they do. They seem to like this duty, they like the activity. Thank you very much, Lieutenant Erwin. You're welcome, John.