An hour with T Boone Pickens

will can't just be the saudi arabia of wind energy or is that just a bunch of hot air i'm j mcintyre and today i'm katie our present one of the most vocal proponents of wind energy t boone pickens t boone pickens may seem an unlikely champion of wind energy and alternative fuels the billionaire has made his fortune in the oil business and at eighty years old turned his attention toward ending america's dependence on foreign oil he brought his pickens' plan to kansas twice in the past year with a town hall meeting in topeka last july and as second meeting april eighth at the university of kansas dole institute of politics in lawrence kansas senator sam brownback and former senator bob dole was there to introduce the first we hear from senator brown boy what a great day and one exciting then head know what we got to talk about a key issue facing america and to recognize that we're a great entrepreneurs and of business leaders in america here and t boone pickens he knows

that this is the home of k you and bill self and you can talk to bill self while you're here we already discussed that in siberia when that one of life's year low by the way a mistake a huge pre season number one for next year's basketball that's right this is such an enormous topic is an important topic and we need to pull the plan to get executed and it's important we knew it and kansas can be right in the center of having and be a renewable america one seed kansas be a state of renewables and where we're not only known for a week in airplanes and basketball but also for wind energy our biodiesel ethanol hydrogen powered locomotives we can't do this this could be a key part of our future i go into the weekend as

today on a soybean diesel powered pickup truck was twenty percent biodiesel i got here and i thought i'd put it on but don't think it matters private dick or a shirt that the soybean association gave me this made out of soybeans now our right is right that so we need to have more he's not told of the earlier models lee's first came out in the thirties and they needed some work because so they were ok when you want him but if they got wet they started to smell like wet gray sweat and bees don't do that but my point of saying this is that we can do this and we can do it in america and we can do it in kansas and it's important that we do that in kansas we have the first cellulosic ethanol plant when the first four is going up in kansas i we've gotten this will roll off the line here about a month out of topeka kansas will be the first hydrogen powered fuel cell locomotive made in the world will be

rolling out a bnsf and the army out of topeka kansas hydrogen fuel cell train locomotive coming out of here within the locomotive unison in topeka for a long time we need to have the next wave of them coming out one of the key pieces to this is when the power generation a renewable resource without cost without impact generally any advantage over all and we can be the saudi arabia of wind and i believe we have a full capacity to be aware of the death and that could be a key part of what our future is about a one of the key problems we're going to face and you'll hear about that during a discussion of days get in the way and the market we got a building it the transmission lines deal to move it to market and that's going to be critical for us and that's one of things it's up in front of the senate right now at the root of all this is our need to get off of foreign oil we had too much dependent say the makes as too insecure that's too expensive it's too expensive for us that dependency on foreign oil and harvest a bit weird in

kansas and given that the markets words needed around the country is critical to i'm delighted to have the pickens planned be presented here today and part of that i think we're moving forward in the united states congress as we get an energy plan hold together that we can execute be a part of i meant to say that certain that was previously occupied by senator bob dole it's been a singular honor for me to be in that seat and to recognize him and before boone pickens speak someone asked as senator dole to come up i made comments is a legend is the michael jordan of legislating if i can use at a basketball analogy and he's a friend and i hope you get just a rousing welcome to the author of this institute it's b still be around

and i finally give the war think you are but you know to come from this part of the country can deal with it and blue iris or her compatriots in our area a lot of the reason for the win in this part of the country is the fact that i was in the congress for thirty seven years so i get a lot of credit for start up a lot of the stuff on the senate floor on the house floor but this to me is a great opportunity for kansas and the sam brownback is working his tail off to try to do the right thing because he said as he closes statement there were most important too much foreign oil and they're making that same argument back in nineteen sixty when i performed in the senate and sixty two and sixty four and sixty six were importing too much oil that was thirty forty percent how much of it is grown and grown and grown and we always talk about well let's do something about it but we

never did anything about how that happens sometimes in congress we talk a lot about bill is only about a region ever get around to doing anything about it well t boone pickens has not that got a person the economies around talk about it that i don't know there's always get your body running for the first time a member of congress and he was everywhere and he's been and where arkansas on me or in here today and gone on to texas tonight so they eat is our tour i'd say one word about the instituto when this happened when system first of all that we get at least half the money from private sources first visit all the money from private sources and my good friend pat robertson didn't think that was billable so we did have over them many people in his audience it's contributed year after year and asked them what we said it would be is a

sort of a laboratory for ideas and for bipartisanship or non partisanship is not a republican and still are democratic institute in fact i get a complaint from republicans all the time while waiting on him by republican speaker become of the dollars to do so is what it's supposed to be and i believe young people on the campus and others who do research at the alarm a great deal of great staff and bill it does a good job and we're very overtly is in here and i think as an asset to the campus and we want to keep it that way and keep our word of the people first dedicated to president carter you may recall came always majority on a saturday afternoon dedicated their thirty five metal on the winners here for the dedication and tom brokaw was a masters' arm on it so it is sort of you know nonpartisan bipartisan whatever but

sam brownback and i said i've been beleaguered he'd been working very closely with those boone pickens that's is not just on the energy or that sam has then been so effective for the state of kansas it's pretty much across the board and i can remember sam woody is to come to washington in the future farmers the jacket that i was in the senate i would escort salmon of the future farmers are going around the capital and that says background and any dinner all you it knows a stadium kansas state and saturn before it modernizes and this is this is your party and bones of and are you sure it's ok if i go and he gave me concepts and i was invited over much anymore now as it is one word of it boone

pickens i said earlier i think is that more time again has an identity has been a tax fairness state for army of forty fifty sixty years but the intended by pouring diluted introduction comic garden city kansas in nineteen sixty nine which own existential portion of the infield in southwestern kansas bakersfield there was that's where saddam though really got its start and there's no question that his success started in the great city kansas and for that we're grateful my noble used to he's still the most listened to voice comes on gas in the country was a gonna do what was going to happen down the road is a big prize in six months is on all the talk shows the union you go on some of these talk shows he was on the hannity show last week and i didn't want to talk about that because by anyone and talk about something critical of the president or critical or somebody else that not legal you don't do that a candidate

talk about the pickens' plan and what it requested got from john john kennedy he got an answer about energy and how much more important and how important it was and i think i'm a much better program and getting some money and politics surrounding notes one of one for thirty forty or the venue and move on to some out and a vow to stay on message to a boom stays on message we might be in the presidential library is that writer mr ramos that has the product that you know that a selling point it about them but one minute year i think he's a lot like this parent as i said earlier this institute in overreaching outward trying to learn more trying to be gravely one people know more about what's going to happen in the future and dylan understands how important is that with the younger people in this audience and to many of them about the role of an energy will play on the role that we don't have an enviable play

in the future and the biggest bank the thing that i like about and about what's going around the capital this is not a partisan kind of boone pickens he that make it a partisan thing he doesn't single out one source of energy don't talk to me about mcqueary at the cuban women talking about to get natural gas whatever it is he's been used to have it very gentle soul is that the bottom support across the war democrats and republicans is because it hasn't made it a political issue it shouldn't be a political issue were talking about the future of our country and the future job where children learn many in this audience so he firmly believes in what he's doing he wants to build a stronger country and he's dealing with his own money he didn't get a bailout or any money from the federal government to run and try to sell those victims via this is the t bone pickens plan and you want to read more about it

i didn't bring a copy of the book with a great book until now one person won't can make a difference so alone were were honored if you're here i know this is your second visit to the us until we welcome you to stay kansas and things come up the problem is the pay i'd like a run down my list going out of the way and then we'll we'll get down to business of the book the book of course be and was a heartless and that book came out last september we made the bestseller list for a few weeks and they did that where maybe come back again after the proceeds he thanked each of you that bob looked today those go to brooke army medical and that's antonio and to take your hats

so i don't get any proceeds all for that and not so so so you know when you're doing it a bit helps our culture service people they say gee i go back to the nineteen ninety six race yeah i'd say so when our sixty at the republican convention at the sago nineteen oh six when i stood up for texas and said we cast all our votes for senator dole from kansas for president announced that and there was a big day for boeing and it was the story of that very well they got sam brownback salmon are working hard on energy plan for america and now we are counted nearly a little further into the strategy of it

but i can promise you this year i don't know where the same piano that i can promise you we're going to have an energy plan this country we've gone four years with no plan and so now really come upon a time when we have been talking more about their below are recognized and jacobson president idea at kansas his van heerden that the us military was recognized day and then this has helped his campaign hasn't shown great leadership and now i have a talk at a visit with randall stephenson ceo at and t in dallas and we talk about that the country needed an energy plan announce it or we need on energy his leadership when the best way and he sent in what white house we need to have big companies here the leaders in corp america come forth and say we're gonna get on our own resources in this country and we're going to go for naught and morales ok how you see the happiness that i've

liked for a few key to announce that they are going to do a large number of their vehicles on natural gas or hybrids that what a lot of his american boss is that saddam for nuclear bomb for drilling for natural gas of course ethanol anything that america is what i'm after want it replacing born or an ow talk a minute about that but anyway at and please step up as the leader or so on they're there for their thirty four thousand and seventy pickens' plan members in the state of kansas have signed up with me on my god i have a show of hands how you'd know something about pickens' plan it was hired local they say we had four maybe five hundred fifty eight thousand people signed up for that because planned virtual march which label one through three and we put over a billion emails and faxes and

calls in to washington during those three days so we're pretty well known mina's sister or up to what we want which is a huge plant now former governor us of eighties as was one of them was thinking at first governor that signed with me on the pink and white and that was it pecan we did it first town hall meeting that peter back in september and other wrongdoers in july but we get out there and we could not believe we have we were prepared to receive six other people are and we had six hundred in the work and former nasa so i knew that some of the concerns i had about energy for america and what americans thought about it was going through very clearly to me one when we asked people come and we we had a great week one last point cars and there's more from kansas is also signed up with a vacant plant

ok i mean money going into my mission that's i see this as a mission for me how did i get the mission it was many many years in that this is preparing for a mission and as it unfolded i started to cover essentially what politician said about energy and i my i go back to nineteen seventy four and richard nixon set it in the decade we will not be importing immortal unionized that at that point we were importing point four percent in the decade we were importing twenty eight percent nobody ever said today president you know he told us that we were gonna be important moral and in the back it nobody ever asked a question and i wonder do they forget our is a wheat is there to stop it so from that point forward everybody the right democrat or republican would cite let me and we will be energy independent

and they would be elected nobody ever set how are you coming on energy and then no one ever asks as we were taller from twenty eight percent in the seventies we're now fifty one percent by the time we got to build more than i was making speeches which you know people would say it's good speech and i agree with you but nothing happened i'd say we can't really further and we're going to we're going to four were killed and are often people that hates and i just wasn't good at a picture i think was true but never day we pick up the tracks and no momentum that the ham but the reason that didn't happen is because we had people and so here we came to depict the cheap four today alice new york new york and there are some i said he's just like don't

think it has a pretty remote spot though i mean a we got cheap and we continue to use more and more and more so we get down to this point in nineteen what is your opponent two thousand nine we're importing almost seventy percent of rural fifty seven percent of a seventy percent actually comes from venezuela really nice guys we haven't embarrassed by female we get released a course in we have some friends maybe we asked people are indicators and from africa and that's now paulson same category so all this now we're sitting here very variable in this country and our security is very much at risk and i'm not because the dependency on foreign or ok that the problem's been pre well i analyze at this point i think that i could add some other things maybe we'll go but now what's the solution how do we get off

that we can't put the only way you can get off of it is to get on our resources there's no other way now some ice that weekend concert ok good iwaki less conserve these missile but are still of the usual all not all art howe i don't want my point here that there's every day the production in the world is about eighty five million barrels of the eighty five me i did not see that increase now we're dealing with an eighty percent decline of every year so eight percent times eighty five is about seven million barrels so you're going to have to replace seven million to get back at five interview gary hart and so what happened is about two thousand twelve about it and hear that at five you can't replace it and so it starts with it as it goes all and now we're going down and demand is rising around the world the price will go for that now you've got a preview of

that last year so when we launched on july the egg oh eight the price gasoline washington that day was four dollars and women sit ok and the war really concerning trade in that area or we get a lot of polling and focus group or and spent on my chest and fifty eight million dollars to tell the story and i didn't raise that was all me but how's a lot richer back in nineteen ninety eight this year's budget was fifty eight also lots of illinois epa one time as we get them from the second year but the boat we got to get this job done the nation's very clear his wife to accomplish and internet account july two thousand eight they hear so comes a point i was a little strange even to come a point would we have a plan and that's a fury

we're not so sure you have a father got a story that one i would screw your constant bill self the novel what's now the idea that local state i've been initiated in the return of allison sae and my father was an essay he didn't get to see and he was a much better for him and then i was in too and so he wanted to convey with his badge one thousand a ship and i want him to the course to the nicotine like he came or stillwater for the ceremony in and not even the reflection we hug each other thing that was a day that my father became my brother always thought that was funny and the buyer right now that we're now brothers and abundant and that we you know and that's when everything in your oeuvre i thought was a nice ceremony a father son

so then it was over with and he was going to leave and go home so we walked out on the front lawn and he said some point certainty about something he say your mother not what you need is a series he's in the nation your mother not that serious because she was the one i was at this fire in cooperation on an only child bob was sort of a lot of teaching and that she provided the first hand but they were in agreement and this is what they were integrated all he says we have a plan for your graduation but we don't think you're on the same plane we are right now dr storey was there that's awesome ok he said we're the face june first nineteen fifty one and now they have made you think right now the way this is the way things are going on here in and three that are missing

an insanely the life of me and then hours in business in and my dad really didn't life business and so he he said the solzhenitsyn or explain to you said a pool with a plan can be a genius with local and nine he said your mother we have this there's a fool with no i there's nothing he had said at that point that i acted responsibly can shake my head in or so he said we have a plan you better get on our property and gas to june first it to do a believer or not i didn't i'd care to late teens in it so first it was the point of the story is we have no energy what we look

like to do is we look like fools without a point and military around the world i think are credibility suffers every day for instance the minister of energy for denmark wanna get in touch with me and an all and we finally got together and she came in copenhagen and we met taylor and toto on this is a month ago and we talked he said i've been watching what you're doing and i can't i can't figure out what is it you are doing and i said well i'm trying to get off of formal is when i'm working she say look at what we've done in dental whirlpool and a cigarette and she said yes you see we don't import any more often lately eisenhower usually got in utero resource for because once one drug that she so as what it looked like but i don't know when you're going to new york and she said that and

then proceed to tell me you know you can do this is an all and not and also covered a rebellious teenager but we have to get on our own resource so i didn't put together pickens' plan now the nation and paulson i go i'm going to make this the number one issue in the presidential campaign last year and how so we elevate new porn of money in there you know you can get some attention or listen to music changed especially you know but nonetheless as you start to wonder what is this guy up to and will it make sense and was persuaded of current media mics and our poll we ran six months ago we picked up seventy one percent knew what the point was and so we were making some contrition with the idea in september hot have to even running kupfer about over a month will vote mccain obama says they were talking about

energy saw met with him four days apart mccain i've met with aspen and met with obama four days later in reno and both meetings like just about the same length of time but mccain did that he enlisted you're in there and i'd been over with a while at a night david axelrod and so there were just i had one portion of mahan so the reporters there and i made the top presentation from outside of the issue and his carrier think us in the vault a massive the character and the presentation or make to you i said is if you're the commander in chief and that i want to say that progress in that i'm a general coming to you with a problem and i have a solution for an acid and you're the commander in chief of all the men the same look on their face was it islam as eddie it says that a lot of the port authority and you know and so anyway the but mccain said alicia can see say you've accomplished what you sent

out an asset what wichita he said that it's the number one issue in this campaign it had more questions asked me about energy than any other the soul felt good when he told me that they know he's telling what mccain said because he isn't around anymore but obama was interesting because he asked me to take notes which out on that was nice is that respect for as he does he really want to devote one ounce fall all went through any cities or anything that i say in my remarks that energy that make you uncomfortable and said yeah said one thing to say you know oh they don't one million plug in hybrids that you're going to have in two years and it was a like a challenge as your ios it up like he did use it but occasionally i'm going to have one the plug in hybrids ok look out that window and the parking lot at your house and there's a

million cars that the houses in that they would i suggest that that you're praising yesterday's and look in america and in america there are two hundred and fifty million vehicles in america and eighteen years you're going to have one million plug in hybrids also the number of many as i see you're not pressing the size of the problem is when they were turning out of thirteen million vehicles a year one is not and so he listened to that they never said again which the pop critic ann he also save money to get the nomination he said when i have the seventeen years we will not be importing any all committees i believe that somebody says that that they have a point i think he has a point now the way it unfolded the first part of my plan was going for new

regatta when the solar we have to have a smart brick wall that's in the stimulus package now you're over to how you're going to reduce your workers the only thing we have in america one resource it is better this is only kind that we have that can reduce the anc on for now they think we think that's the only thing we've got both obama and mccain said today we would like to use a very fine burial with an eighteen wheeler again i have the same look and i think you know they didn't know they didn't know you could move the only thing illuminating wheeler is diesel car with that because you can go there for all we know they are biofuels are out on the dvd goodell it and so is it as it unfolded and now were over to the energy bill and that in senator brownback is is that in this deal and and what

i believe that we have to be used to having very clean bill not connected to climate not connected to the to cap and trade but take it through there so we can hear all of our own resources as fast as we can it's at seventy eight is part ownership so we need to get an energy bill where we're going to win natural gas to add a light duty with a battery that's finally up here i want to be american is one that i want to get all the porno this is an intimate yourselves on the iraq war as well i mean you know me yesterday and right now they are we know that we know that congress is ready for energy bill when all we got a cumbersome and i think we're going to get i think both democrats and republicans want so we've got the

problem really well i was i don't get the body that will challenge older was one but if it doesn't get up to date on questions and help build it up and so you have you don't like my point unless you have one we can't just say you don't like my mom and that's it no because if you don't like my plan your plans for your because that's exactly it's going to get you're going to either have a plan for domestic resources or you're going to have for now that's that's it it's either upper back so if it makes an argument that it's extremely difficult to say i don't like you so what's going to happen in the future that sure we're tracking your body were tracking congress that we're watching very closely though says don't have a plan are gonna be tagged at some point as being for formal and they are not gonna like that that's going to be a disaster taste horrible like an incumbent

that is not does not have a plan for getting all the formal okay now brought him down and the hand reading tip a question says solis has good question i'm thinking of a bow his plan is to use the windmills you're talking about but to turn that energy into hydrogen right then and there and i had eyes that when i combine the two we know how good's breakdown and they do ok and you have an automatic system that would start immediately turn that energy i know the question i'm going to find it very expensive and so we're not ready to receive financing because we do not have the vehicles to do so we don't we do not have the vehicles to run on it so it's they actually the power were gonna generate with the windows are it's where tennis serves as a crucial question we did the wind is priced off the mark

in the margin is natural that so you're going to have to have a dollar natural gas tonight though the way it work is his time away but we're getting on her own research so we need to develop these things are going to develop as we go we wait much more efficient five years from now than we are today that a decade ago ford the natural gas all it does is brings you where you want to go is that a bridge about twenty years and you're going to have a technology that point that we're going next transportation fuel that we're gonna have will either be the batteries are a big deal so is wade's court but you have to have the bridge which is a believer one of my new free hands this prize ball al gore got a left is to say you have as they don't want planets on page two from page one is security for america in every our economy that's ok one but it so happens are some things that are our parallel on climate and

giving energy security risk of as old as an ousted the other day in a summit meeting in washington where we had below see him and harry reid had twenty eight people are that president clinton was there in and gore was serving your said i agree with the dickens on this week after years of natural gas on a beady the bridge us to the battery in the future so that's gonna happen you're not ready to take wind to ok next question have you found a way to motivate the companies who own the actual letter grade to upgrade that grid or are they just to upgrade based on doing the right thing well what's going to happen and that was that there's been a lot of work only adds that that the question on the gray and that it's a problem is to sideline of the writer wants and so you're gonna that's got to be done tonight and supposing year is going to be as this thing unfolds here in iraq are safe and eisenhower

interstate highway and how that went down with the american people course there's a highway were built by the federal government but here they can get to get those runways time an interesting side liked their house on a problem this morning ted turner and ted is you know he's a very green and ninety of these examples or the same side as al gore goes on but but turner is convinced that if we do have a green economy we will have the best economy we've ever had i see that course we have a green economy we are on our own resources and that will be the best that we know that the county or a remember when all its own one room forty dollars a barrel that you're paying out seven hundred billion dollars a year for all oil and boy that list all sold today at forty fifty dollars a barrel here you're about three hundred fifty billion dollars a year is what you have gone out that but if you don't

have an energy plan and you haven't had for forty years go forward thirty years and look at that what are we looking at two thousand it at that point you'll be imported seventy five action hero and you'll be paying three hundred dollars a barrel or so at that point you're now paying out two trillion dollars a year for formal now that sauce to prop up the two prongs it does all his healthcare education as you're giving money to address you wanna love you spent all me oh ok that's that's a horror story it that that we can't let that that they said it was real about a bear go back five years the revenues for all their return fifty billion dollars five years ago in two thousand hate their revenues one trillion two hundred and fifty back then you know now they don't all come from us as they sell a lot if but one trade two hundred and fifty billion dollars or the revenue side here you

go fourteen years the promise you'll be three or borrow ok what is your plan include taking the pope in the alaskan pipeline and using it in the us rather than selling at asian countries now they do remember that alaska that's led some aid that people believe that there are huge reserves in life there goes all our craw about eighty five million barrels it's produced every day we are using twenty one million barrels twenty one late as twenty five percent how have the toe with only four percent a population twelve million barrels we are importing of the twenty one million that we use we import about twelve member so the alaska is not a solution for it would help us and we have no simple solution for one thing to solve a problem so what we do in alaska going and drill and work that's fine with me but remember the pipeline alaska from dead horse down

to bally's is only two million barrels of that and that's all the leverage at solidarity go back we're importing twelve million barrels so we increase production lines that what we get right now the pipeline has depleted down to seven hundred thousand barrels of that so you can animated three hundred thousand barrels and that's all you can do that then the years how much oil you find there but it will last a long time which is good maybe even go up to three million barrels of a fifteen twenty years i don't know that that's all you can count on our lives so alaska that crude book comes down and goes into california is where that creative process so the last is not a solution but any always find anywhere in the united states will go what does that hold avoid apart in europe were anything it's american i'm for i'm for i'm

for cole yes i think again it clear that we're not going to get passed the promise was that we have the voice you know i know your project and your whole criminal that and that was a struggle in the state and someone some been wanting but the thing about it is i probably would've been for because it creates a transmission the colorado and you can put the wind on the grid and beyond good on some of the translation so all i had transmission or go back to a city that deter we were honest see in india which then quickly which or something but it was questions of nature's to each other and acetate military icu two million acres of circus in your eyes that you are the largest landowner house it what would you do if they say it by golly we're going to get this idea of hey

transmission line across your property is that i'd be glad i made like they didn't but he said what would you do you have arrived sixty eight are not immediately clear to me and sixty eight but sixty eights not by about six us in iran today qwest is a lesson i was asked a question of acid merkel as in a fifth if he's gonna help the situation america on our transmission if it comes across with a public letter that said i want to stab hear from michigan today he still has a question what any hell are you doing here with a mission shirt on as some type of a cap and trade system that you put in convincing industry says which technologies i'm not sure i understand that the tree now i mean i don't see how it's the work and i every time i hear the story from those who want to try what comes after me your taxes and i am a post tax scam a

common view on taxes and walk and so i cannot see so these things come out of congress and how the regulations are they the first thing is that huge huge star sodium and figure out how you can gain or how you can figure around it can be the system and i just i don't like that and i saw how they switch technologies i think he's with technologies here that that you're gonna go to clean it up and and so when you started in tech trade actually will announce the whole park's silence how to the next question i became interested in the year peak oil theory after having read james customers along emergency wondering if you can comment on that but on a more practical old

honda currently makes a silica runs on natural gas which i'm sure of would my own mind was for a summit of college and coke we're still worried and if you were that censors no place to can actually feel it okay so you're talking about the infrastructure for that is collected counselor how madame mao orders to you and her new one evening for two hours and that makes a lot of scenes that you or tell you when he thinks the army says you know because we've done this as several planes in any believes in people i believe and people i think you speak and i am so all we have to look forward to on foreign oil is a decline which will happen once you start declining can't replace sort of treadmill and that is turn the speed upon and so it goes pretty fast in decline comes quickly the infrastructure will come and i and we're not going away and work comedy structure for is not your call you thought about that what i'm after

are the ad uses hobbies which are the eighteen wheelers and around the world there's ten million vehicles on natural gas in the united states it's an important truth outs when you look at where the route that gas reserves are it's interesting because we have developed a great amount of gas in the last ten years in this country it's in the basics the shale plays ten years ago the largest supplier mitre this month back in united states was article for a divorce brutal but that was a vote in this an approval by all three but those thirty nine treaty now the largest gas field in your states as a varnish jail which is you know i can say it out loud when avastin or chair it so you'd be at the airport they've drilled under be at the airport and it's in five pounds and it's a show it all that you can fracture and actually get a lot of guests now they

have big they've won in north louisiana and that looks like it's going to be bigger than the barnett they have marcellus switches up an appalachian and that covers them all we damn instantly clear across with jenny and that's another big shale places would satisfy sunni several times larger the barn and he got the word from no common the fayetteville arkansas on the market again in west texas that you haven't worn river up in british columbia so we're overwhelmed with natural gas you start you know we get older you start to like things that happened to you connect them back in and start to think that war has blessed us with this and you do that i think because if you have before they endure start my family get their pre quake no one is sure they're buying fans who are they did so it's as though this is by divine intervention for us to show up with all this oil in this country with the predicament that worry we're sitting here monday all

we're in terrible shape is farsi interviews concert and and now we're overwhelmed with one of the best resource we have to solve the problem it's cleaner it's cheaper it's that it's abundant and it sounds good to get out of our problem with thermal resource this way is gonna be beautiful way or see one in seattle natural gas equals eight gallons of gasoline oh they're the same they're the same the devalued they're the same they move the car the same distance same speed eight gallons of gasoline cost was oregon's sixteen twenty dollars set for twenty dollars for that and the natural gas equivalent natural gas is ford only one break the cleaner cheaper abundant is ours you know it's it's an incredible is that it's twenty three percent less knocks on on the

natural gas and on gas so were cleaner much cleaner ok another course we will convert two more questions my question is along the lines that you have a great strategic goal and it's very honorable and the fact that it's using our resources the supplier energy and essentially or general providing us with the russian strategic direction what should we do what plans do you have for refining that as some of your that the assumptions which are plans based on jake so let's say we get a battery or the price points that you just mentioned change what patty see that evolving over time well telling other arm for example we come up a battery second power things we have biodiesel which we can get from a feed stock which was more abundant than soybeans or we find out how to make more by the saudi arabia or others are worried it would just better than one and all is what you say we wish all what's something has a better solution and then my great do it is just so it's

under the eye an end this is what warren ive talked about of course is looking at alwan ago barry i realized they're done with it we are now buried doesn't have eighteen wheeler five years what we did i see it that we're doing natural gas is such a valuable resource tree with music made toys sold it is that maybe remain flexible but understand what you're up against understand energy in america say well what they say is i'm up here pitching his buddies for really for my kids grandkids and great corinthians i can make it to the finish line and eight but the future generations cannot this they're living will be vastly different be vastly different unless you saw the energy problem if you saw the energy problem that's not carry out of what our day when i leapt at the day i'll walk the walk out while floating some of my responsibility you

to you and the entire you know very little while i'm really not a sign of people thought yeah that's been a great relief than they initiate the unlikely thing that the cars people connecting me i'd go into restaurants and from cisco waiter comes up to me because i mean you're you're had been a nowhere even some in your here army pickens' plan on he said i said do you know your biases that all waiters in here were all signed up with that said we get your e mails every week before i left a guy gets up the table for cables ways and i wonder if you are in the ice wanted to a i appreciate what you do for energy for america what do you think is it so that it is a place you go is because before concern i know we're going to be an old estate at there is no question that we are going to have an energy plan for america but what has happened for forty years we've never been passed to address the problem and the predicament that we found ourselves in

because we had cheap oil cheap oil is that activists and so here we now know you know that there were bike and see the problem and it's and what's going to happen or in your own resource was to work the immortal improve you're going to find that their turbulent city out there in western cases cranking out of our hat that turn we will decide what can you should there be a permanent spending processes that were just very scratchy into the surface of this though but how we get in years and i promise you this is you know we're going to be so proud of ourselves all of us are because we're going to be on our resources around the world as credibility is going to go straight at it because they're going to where they have a new baby why you get so far into the prom nobody imports oil like we did the closest wanted are the chinese were importing seventy percent the chinese about fifty but the chinese are after buying

they're buying resources all over the world we don't have a state owned altered no natural wall street but we don't have that seventy percent of all the oil in the world use all of my stereo yorker like saudi aramco pervasive the manx although the state owned oil companies there was a heavy oil i'm amused when congress calls a major oil company ceo's and one brass guessing goes for dollar so the point you raise the price of gasoline when they rated x on the largest of all holy owns to an epperson reserves in the world to mention i don't know that they have nothing to do with the bronx the prices is driven by the people it only on his workers and i don't understand why exxon hadn't really is the question the

stupid questions i have nothing to do with raising the price of gas so that anything to do with it and but that he didn't want to drive is a dry place blowing find somebody we can blame for this and tell you the blame for you can blame congress for the cause we've never had an injury or you can blame their cue you can blame me i understood it i saw a white house be getting your store when you tried to be a dig at war but you know something could've been that he had had the leadership you are solvable okay one more question one last question and that will you have a vacuum the center that core question i'm originally from taxes and in the past decade or so the wind energy as expanded rapidly was that done through public some four months that stimulus are funding a result private enterprise set my counts we water the wind energy is yeah the wind energy it it started to develop because

we knew we were starting to go clean and so these utilities an hour we're starting to have that they really have to have so much renewable energy portfolio and that i think was it in some of the states went with a plan you know twenty percent of portfolio by point nine two thousand twenty and they had different once you're decorating it was not that it's gonna be they'll say what's new on one point the outpouring but one is what's going to happen as a lawyer by starting to feel it and that he was coming up and so they start to look at that they wave at that point now and then congress gave a day of production tax credit that was valuable in taking that often making it go don't be afraid don't be afraid and it's interesting you're the first group of faulted in the last three months of somebody didn't get up and say you realize when the un will thank you but that i can tell people if they use more or less in the

nineteen eighties few family even pickens speaking at the university of kansas and all institute of politics this was taken his second trip to kansas in the past year to promote that pickens' plan a comprehensive energy proposal designed to end america's dependence on foreign oil recording assistance was provided by chubby snare and lawrence bush i'm kate mcintyre kbr prisons is a production of kansas public radio at the university of kansas why aren't we transfix on the state's rights where is the outrage identified with harry truman for many reasons the pundits always told him during his first time that he was sent the law to educate a boy good to take an individual level educated girl with to take a community one of the great myths of american history is a weakness that his one time celebrating his humble origins

that he spent a lifetime escaping this controller at the center of a ruling they were nothing from presidents to call its authors to ambassadors at our prisons as a way to listen in on some of the most interesting speakers that come to northeast and east central kansas and j mcintyre joining me monday night here on campus