Addie of the Flint Hills

with the financial downturn of the past few years many people have compared our current economy to the great depression i'm j mcintyre and today on k pr present we talked to at the story of a remarkable ninety four year old woman who's recent book addie of the plant health chronicles her childhood in depression era kansas later this hour i'll be giving away copies of addie of the fund health i'll also be visiting with kansas author max mccorry and giving away a copy of his latest book but first i'm visiting with patti saris and her daughter deborah story spreads men at the tall grass writers' workshop and emporia state university good afternoon ladies i'm going to start with you know because this book starts literally and figuratively with you know how do you get your mom to read this book will play it really didn't start out as a book two years ago my aunt josephine died and then josephine was the last living member of mom's generation

on both my father's side of the family and on mom's side of the family except for mom and mom has always been a woman with energy and purpose and drive in her heart and when they're just fleeing died a woman she had lived within known for sixty years and they'd raise their children together i saw that she was feeling quite sad and beginning to say some things about gee what was the purpose she had on my life and i thought about it for a little bit and i thought you know she told us great stories about growing up in the flint hills of kansas i always love coming back to kansas when i was a child and visiting my grandparents and i thought i would just suggest some on that she write the story of her childhood for her grandchildren it it really started out with uncertainty i guess on my part that what would come out of that except i thought we would learn something from the family's history

point of view and then mama's so enthusiastic about it she promptly turned to me and set out with a long life and that will take me at least a year says about better and so you gave me this assignment to you to start writing and much to your surprise she came up with not just a couple note sir hear that sketch hear there but twenty pages landing pages the next day written in longhand and those twenty eight pages included in large measure the story of her birth which is one that appears in the early pages of this book and and then some of the twenty pages had items notations are just like daughter daddy born on such and such a date or went to school on such and such a date said there was a variety and the quality between details stories that were just wonderful alice notations but that really gave us something to accept and i think my aunt early thoughts were simply to say mom please just tell me more

so yesterday talmor town or town warren i thought this may take us a long time to complete but readers can't ask for more and more you certainly got your book starts out back in nineteen fifteen when you were born up on us foreign your great aunt's farm in chase county in the flint health and these are pretty good times for chase county and for your family all financial aid during the first world war like the economy was worried and i really didn't think i had a care in the world my mother that they play very freely with my brother our door and unmarried she didn't toss of a closely supervised this week ago as we wanted and it was a different world than it is today one of the things that i found really interesting was even though your family had moved to this country in the eating fifties maybe eighteen sixty and your family was in german ancestry as was my own

and i've read with great interest something make your grandparents your german american grandparents had done to try to allay any suspicion about their loyalties during world war one can you tell it's not very dead oh yes i can remember three thousand dollar bill is pasted to the living room or and so i as grandpa she when you have both eleanor and he fared well during world war one some of the people were rather questioning during the journey of loyalty so they took their money at the bank what the plans and put them on the wall to show that they were good loyal american citizens and those bonds stayed on the wall of their home into when until we know the migrant mother died and

we've moved in the house i don't know the date it was taken down but mother so well i found that fascinating was the degree of hostility even to people who'd been here for fifty years sixty years at that point to actually have to taste them on the walls us savings bonds in the nineteen twenties your family move for the flint hills to utah and nevada your father became a minor and then of course to nineteen twenty nine the stock market crashed many of the mines closed and your family returned to kansas so interesting story because as the markets and everything didn't collapse simultaneously and actually what happened was and a camera the facts exactly you can tell us but different kinds of war the prices of different kinds of war collapsed and grandpa i went from iran and silver and gold mining and different commodities collapsed first to work in the iron mined in their clothes they work in silver mine and that's all there's a gold mine and the goal i never going

to enrich the cold so that they could actually make a more refined quality of golden ticket pricing yes everybody then as today put the gold would hold its value well by the time they were ready to enrich the global price of gold are gone down so much that surprise surprise there was a fire and the mine closed and then he went to a silver mine that looked like it was going to close and by this time the depression was becoming deeper and that i guess is they have little choice but to move back to their family and home in kansas and they came back just in time for the departed of severe depression and draw for the dogs there's really striking photograph in the book of our house in nineteen thirty five just as one of the big dust clouds roiling behind it and then read it engulfed this house what memories do you have of those dust storms

well i don't know what the title of that was when i thought council identical to add that i would swear in public anyway i was out in the front yard and in our lives and that bill gray and i let them have their tails develop west of our place and i i was praying for a man here these clubs paid over the hill all got rain ms khan well when i got close they got dusty and dusty close the windows and doors and a man came in from the fields covered with us we had dinner it got darker and darker when my sister and i went to sleep and it was black and i

don't know why we want to sleep in the morning we awakened a somewhat shiny but the wonder is streaked with much range rocket part of the pacific ring mom you know mom one of the things that you've shared with me was the confusion because there was no communications of people really didn't understand what was happening they were sitting here seeing for the first time this thing that was almost biblical and proportions this darkness surrounding the house and as i recall you said people sat around and said what's happening they believe the next dail will happen and thirty we went to underscore and everyone was talking about it but they didn't really have any great comprehension of what had happened and i know it it's hard to realize how people work and we needed rainfall

that here we go this i don't think it did very much good for crops i've recently read really interesting book about the dust bowl called the worst hard time and oh i've heard plenty about the gospel beat that i i did not really understand them until i read that book and and that was something that the other mention that was that it took several big destination for people realize what was going on because there was a lot of news people haven't seen those kind of dust storms before and then you would have no idea what to compare it to well i don't think we have an understanding of that whole area because i don't know whether they really thought much of it lambert has been put to wheat was implanted and always out in western kansas in eastern colorado that the breeze blowing and that land is different than our plate land and we think they tell me it's war and land out there and i'm always i don't think they understood the height of the land

or the circumstances and all day long they had control the land they had and what did it so you were a teenager during the dust bowl days as well is that the worst of the great depression what you remember is the hardest thing about getting to that period where i think it was the heartache of what you heard what happened to other people because of on the farm we had confederate war security they are i think one of the things my dad worry bout with plain fact that he never saw anything until he heard that i'm saving the money until he adds in french however it was devastating to a lot of people because it's a tremendous bankruptcies all even banks were going into bankruptcy too so want a private people and

it you know it was a very depressing time i think it's interesting because you're saying how relatively well off you are because you lived in the flint hills you have water you have land that helped arm and you had an ability to gather some crops and some feared and yet you also mentioned in the book how you went seven years your parents went seven years without any income and you considered yourself relatively well off to have had i just gives you an example of that so many people in the government within five up until roosevelt came in for any help and a lot of people have a hard time getting the next meal or how to do anything and the very impoverished time for an awful lot of people but one of the

innocent her family had living on the farm was that you were able to raise to make your own food and you mentioned quite a bit in the book about canning and how important preserving the food that you do have for the times when you would and when you would have an awful we had another advantage we get that entertainment we had more with friends we had a baby holder never heard that tickets or swam again and that within this summer in the lighter timeline at the river rose over we skated on a toasted marshmallow and oakley played tennis and we play cards and we had the house party and i think it was an ideal spot to pay to be a kid because the event tremendous support from the community and that they had so many air you know the whole idea that the

importance of the community to help you in your family gets back and the whole community get through this terribly tough time i think it's so important the the strike that the community as little self sustaining community and that your brain was able to share with the members of the community was really remarkable i i don't know i'd buy with a new york so i'm not sure that that would happen today in new york city for example one piece of advice they your father said that really stuck with me in reading your book was never borrow money stay out of debt if you have your land and know that you can find a way to survive how do you think your dad's advice resonates with our generation and what the economy is going through today well i think my father it's good advice for any time i think a lot of people are beyond their main thing going to a dad

or no reasonable and dad was unwilling to do that and do it i think they get the scale and waterways and critic david get nothing back they'll make the time i ever know my political and day out with when i was going to go to the university of kansas hospital nursing than they charge approximate hundred and fifty dollars the dead didn't happen and my wonderful law and order went to the bank and went into orbit hundred dollar and i think what will wonderful thing you did for me that was a hundred and fifty dollars for the three years right set of amazing realign am you know is told us the moms stay out of debt you you continue that had ties to the current day and the only time i've ever had and that was when i had a mortgage on a house and i had the occasion of it when

they don't buy it could but i never bought a car without given the dealer check it no longer drives a ninth ward and an episode may well i think that are grieving me feel good i ask you to read a selection from your mom's work and then it if i get your reaction to two those statements that he made in europe are sure to hear is the first one and listen to the tv and radio and they all seem to indicate that this could be a terrible time but if i close my eyes i remember back when i open them and see what we have today i think today's haven't i felt would get seven true but i am today our unemployment rate is only ten percent in the thirties it was twenty five percent today i read newspaper the other day that corn selling for eight dollars a bushel my father

could hardly get underway and we have for lunch so much of finance today that i have a hard time associated with the depression i think one plane that perhaps your ninety four years have given you that a lot of us why you have a sense of perspective well i've lived through both of them thought well i don't want to work completed and it also get a bang that obama is going back a surging fdr's solutions to see if he can find solution for that day and i think that if marco well you know that raises a good point on which is during the thirties there was a time when the situation was getting pretty bleak and the government wasn't really

actively acting and i think you mentioned to me how well now you even at a relatively early stage we have had billions of dollars of funds put into the economy to try to stabilize it we hope it works right but there's been a much earlier interaction on the part of the government than there was in those days and i can sympathize with them doing what they're doing that because i think it's a good thing to keep the violent horrible depression however what the world has a hard time a lot of the country the time he introduced the bill mr a tale of national recovery act and the republicans said that stood for lots of america i think tank people are happy we have the federal deposit insurance through the fbi saying i remember you telling me about when that was first enacted all i remember it was the way that that my great and that line every

day with them as taking a needle stuck on tour and this one day i had never seen ruth etting great shape of raging all of that roosevelt closed the mine thank you i don't want to say i had no understanding so i sat down and talked a little bit and a couple days later her by with open because they're with she ran a good quality but a lot of those were close but they have a voice that roosevelt put in place to protect people against their banking system is still in place the only difference is at that time when they can they guaranteed your bank deposits of up to ten thousand dollars today it's two hundred and fifty thousand dollars so it also has a great influence on our due to read that

ok juana that they live through still seems like a looming shadow unparalleled in its darkness depression my grandchildren need to know that this too especially if they are going into tough times is at times they have not seen but i have and my grandparents and great grandparents lived through equally hard times the kids need to know that so they will not disparaging life term harsh what advice do you have for your grandchildren and for your great grandchildren when you have them about what's you when life turns nurse well i think it begins before like interns aren't i think you should make your itself is buying a person as you can and then you're sort of prepared no matter what happens why you can't take advantage of our work your way through it because i hope the sides a good education will have imagination and be able to

live in an awful no people are very resilient you know one of the things i think that came to across to me as we were working on the book together was that there were harsh times very harsh times in each one of these generations when you look at what people endured during the depression it was very harsh but they were equally harsh times as your great grandparents were coming into kansas at fifty nine i mean that was a at a very difficult time so this is something that people need to expect in a lifetime it happens repeatedly we get through these times and that actually they've helped build a a great state and a great country and that's what i give to focus on that event well my grandfather told me that when germany they didn't have any idea what their expected and i tried to imagine what it was like

covered wagons full life he told me they didn't even on the fdic applies common item on the desk and the money what they couldn't have wished what did you buy it later or anyway it would make it were coming into a terrible drama and my great aunt airline told me they all the road and as they are coming in on other people or leaving because of a flawed justice too and i've often wondered when they grow up often wondered what they thought and they came down the long narrow winding world probably an integrator and i sort of think of it as the sub prime real estate the fiasco at the nominee made by the soviets but they had beautiful landscape that and then they drive to kansas that it's a drought i i think they tried to sell the place for three hundred dollars the renault twenty years so they

really had to make a go of it here i mean they had left everything to come to this location right now it really is very uncomfortable in a way because they were fearful maybe the end and fifty great and that line she was two years old they had during a tree stump to protect or however my grandfather said the only one that they never heard it became very friendly and indolence told them how to plant corn and later on when my grandfather was interested in building a house for him thought they show they were also flood and apparently some people are terrible but money ran errands and i don't know how much of the family at least one of the other race perry means in fact we just visited the old homestead yesterday and the hundred said that there'd been a terrible flood

and it would come up to the edge of the homestead but the indians are still write the homestead itself never flooded still to this day so that they really gave your family's a very good advice they don't look like thin and the time of those water or on our houses like an island what was your reaction i'm going back to the apple tree and three year old well let me take it that a driving down through i've always loved them but they were so you want to share that they're excluded that when i actually went to the oregon said the man that water has changed the landscape but that shape of all and ethan will go along and made on everything and i

think again you know what job out that it happens to be on the south fork river and it has good water supply they made selling jewelry a remarkable piece of land and it's great too and i like oh and i kind of meeting the people of the land and we talked about it and every other day my grandmother planted a couple rows of cedar trees and a team at and some of them are still standing i've heard that if you touch my heart they're taller than on everything and i always feel like i don't know whether i'm part of the flint hills where the little support the nation but anyway i couldn't really go home because of the whole invention forward silhouette of all with the light the way a point you know i think

they obviously have a copy of it the flint hills and i asked her to sign it and they talked about where various events had occurred i think one of the things that really touched us both was that this family loves the land but still enhance that really care about him and that really made us both feel really good they were really interested in the history of the land because of grandpa's farm had been approached by an indian campground that where the term in common ground i don't know how many indians live there but we used to pine circle a giant ships from harvard center on the lawyers then made their instruments that are like my father owned the billboard tomahawk and he gave it to my one day my son would have a little something to happen in the second great beauty salon called also for sure until the next day

he took it into a show you know i'm there i mean they all make it great that has the tommy hunter yeah and so i got to new york or one of the most unusual traits of your family and he i think has got to be the fact that the women in your family were and are still today so well educated and how unusual that was for that time will let me start with great and five years old and just would walk three mile for prey to a great school i don't know all the details but she never stopped with her education until she graduated from here were the arctic today this young pioneer girl great and that line right was that came with no burning desire for education an end then you can say shi to cover mothering role for some of the family and so that all of them are

educated and she gave the land for the matthew green schools and she gave scholarships that are still given today for education head and matthew rain for college education she saw that a lot of the nieces and nephews had education i think unsung hero of the road there's your mother was also very well educated but there's a beautiful picture a photograph of her in her graduation in her graduation gown or whether or fourth college graduate from farmers at a college in havana and so james earl may have two girls and they were both college educated and believed in education your mother readers they really love to read that that's something that sort of transcends generations

their power we're very restricted in what they can do and you're holding what they could teach but he got married you couldn't teach and it was a very restrictive one area for women like that i graduated with a nursing when you married yet to stop a few years later by even with that two also shows the persistent women worked a long time on there and a pen and you see some pretty remarkable changes over the course of your lifetime have to what do you think is most surprising of all the changes that you've seen i don't know whether the change that i wish for would be or people learned not to have wars that if they spend the money that they

spent on the war that spanned that making a beautiful weird to have a world gorgeous in writing this book with your mom what do you feel like you learned about her and her generation that you didn't know before well i've learned so much about my mother i really got the chance to see my mother as a young barefoot girl and i sort of fell in love with the little girl kay mabie of the flag tells it was really a wonderful sense of discovery and surprised to see your mother that way and i've always known that mom had just wonderful personal traits and i think one of the other things i learned is that kansas a special mama's a product of kansas and experiences she had in kansas and that the values that she learned there helped her achieve many of the things that really mattered to her mind i am i think she says at best at the very end of her book and if it's ok with you i like to read the last sentences of the blog where she sounds

that she's just bought really covers the first twenty years of her life in this last section she's looking back from a ninety year perspective on her life overall and the last two glass sentences are there was a lot of the living but part of the never left the flint hills of kansas i knew what it was to work hard to be frugal i expected to a little of others perhaps but i also knew that the desire for future the gift of an education the joy of learning and the abiding strength of the human spirit which is a strong and it's deep as the prairie grass so i guess what i learned is kansas a special we're getting wet at ease or eighth who wrote patty of the flint health a per child during the depression co authored by her daughter deborah saris prance them deborah if you want more information about this book war about

how to do this type of research or self pity point us in the right direction we've actually set up a website for my mother at alliance erased dot com and on that web site we have a lot of information about the book and about andy's life in the region and we also have are about to post a description of the ten steps we use to help assist my mother's memory her memories terrific but we actually had a process we followed and that will be available on the website as well and that website address again at aligned so race dot com a d a l i n e s o r a c dot com we have to sign copies of any of the flint hills to give away today if you'd like one send me an email at kenny macintyre at k u dot edu that's k m s t i n t y r e at k u dot edu org you could write me a note at

kansas public radio eleven twenty west eleventh street in moore and six six zero four four be sure to put addie of the fund health or just addie in the subject line we've been visiting with adhesive race and diverse aristocrats been on the campus of emporia state university during their annual tall grass writing workshop were also joined by kansas other math mccoy who school board nature of the workshop will be giving away a copy of his latest book hot off the presses later this hour but first let's tell me how this workshop that started well as really a passion that started with dan holzman pat o'brien and jim hoyt and back in nineteen eighty six they wanted to bring a top notch writing workshop to kansas corps jim hoyt is a folklorist and have been widely published and then pat o'brien was so instrumental in the great plains center and uncles knew and having editor of a career

as a novelist and so they organize this twenty four years ago and it's been going strong ever since there's a lot of universities that have workshops around the country what makes this wine unique i have to say number one is the criticisms we get many ridership come back year after year there's a sense of fellowship among them their support they revel in each other successes you know writing is a lonely business and community is extremely important and writing as a profession that i hear in the in the in the heartland often is not regarded as something that is as worthy of so spending a lot of time on and i you know i mean i think there is a statement friends and family don't often understand when you say you you wannabe writer they get really don't understand that number of hours it takes learning your craft

i certainly don't understand how difficult it is to make sales and start making a living at it and so what this writer's workshop does is to offer encouragement support and professional development for people who are working for the most part on their own and often at odds with their families or their communities because writing is a strange and lonely business i grew up and baxter springs and my family didn't understand why so i wanted to write it while my mother did she was she was widely read that you didn't understand really how it worked my father didn't understand it all i didn't know anyone who made their living writing novels or anyone who'd written for magazines i mean i knew the local newspaper reporters smalltown we call it but it was really an alien type of occupation began in quite lonely at first

you just mentioned the writing community and i want it now instead the suspension of a sad time for this writing community with the path passing dyncorp now tell me a little bit about him as a writer and as a man donned his is much of the reason that i am published i came to one of the very first tall grass writing workshops back in eighty seven are at a veteran river which hear that don introduce me to great hope and he was an editor at doubleday and doubled i published my first book don was a tremendous individual is a hell of a guy and you know and when people pass the tendency is to speak well of them to praise them but you know and don's case it is very richly deserved don was an exceptional individual he had

several careers during his life gunst know medic family doctor and a bestselling novelist he just loved life he was the most consistently optimistic person that i knew and i met don was my twenties and he was a constant source of support inspiration since then and when i would be having trouble with a writing project or nerve trouble with my life i would ask him for advice and end more often than not he would he listened very patiently and he would say well time heals most banks get sometimes things a workout and he was right his passing now is clearly one of those things that it's gonna take a long time to heal and i'd already i miss him very much done was a trivia

guy and he also had a temper he had some very strong feelings he he did not practice attorney is very first western writers convention we attended together in jackson hole wyoming i he walked out of the speaker gerry stance know the famous defense attorney because us parents said that while writers and lawyers are really in the same profession we both tell stories and dan gotten all the banquet and walked out and several others followed him and including the dons also wickedly funny at times the weather to tell a joke when god cured him he also frequently began these workshops and this is really what he's mischievous beginning i mean literally death was the only thing they could keep them from his workshop he often would begin these workshops my i'm talking to that his writing

process and in perilous what it would ask or cut a word processor dues and he would pull a pen out of his pocket and he would read the name it would be some feed store and and he was so blue stem farm supply you know that's my word processor he read everything by hand it was just a charming gentle soul and life under martial about his work is that he really adopted the point of view of the native americans he wrote about to the point where he was adopted by them it was very well respected imam reading his first book throw a spanish lit pick it up in a public library and many years before him at dawn and thinking how tragic it was and what a great book that was published by doubleday to and thinking boy this is why would like to do someday an end dunn help me help me do that

does a trivia guy and you can see everyone's point of view with exception malpractice attorneys that any issue and he was a great peacemaker it's hard to imagine the conference with you mentioned that spanish event series which is best known for that for those who haven't read any investors how would you characterize those books done is widely known as a western arthur although i don't really think the spanish group ceres an elector westerns the primary character in it is a young spanish officer who gets separated from cornell's band and has to learn to live with a group of plains indians has to survive in the most assimilated into the band is about as anti western as you can get there is a respect for the land there's respect the native americans the other's a profound sense of

spirituality which you really don't get with traditional westerns something of it talk about here in the conference i talk about the new west turned away westerns have evolved from the kind of stories that louis l'amour and it will henry and many others wrote don was certainly a leading example of the writer of the new westerns next year not only just an assistant professor here in korea state and not just the chord mater of this workshop you're also bio well publicized her in your own right let's talk about your latest but i go on trial at a kansas got there and someone who was raised here in kansas taught me about writing a book from his perspective there's a whole lot of fun and i know it's sacrilege for kansas author to attempt to portray

quadros a human being because he's always portrayed as a demon in the canon you know i got interested and control very early on washed over thirteen years all over the johnson public library in baxter springs i spent you know my afternoons there found this book called quattro the border wars by calmly he was the secretary kansas historical society and it was a perspective was written by the winners contra was demonized and it but there were there's a chapter which described hal a former childhood friend of court trials are william walter scott a newspaper editor from dover ohio and his mother went to louisville kentucky and dug up his bounds and and took them back home with them and then sold them sold his bones and this was a kid watch over thirteen i read those

chapters over and over again because so while that it was so fantastic in iran contra was a monster of course we're adolescent you're attracted to monsters anyway whether it's frankenstein and off manner in this case control and i never forgot that and i'd always wanted to write a book about when trauma line item never really thought the time was right or narrowly fell i could not pinpoint often under the belt sort of forgot about the ring of lawrence before and finally i just decided on unlimited quarter on the first person and control is a fascinating character and at some point he began as an abolitionist at some point who knows why switch sides and while he was there one of the most recognized names in the civil war on the people more it's still not who he is even outside of warts and end there's not that name recognition the lawrence journal world to denounce the book an

editorial which pleased me immensely they said why should we care of cointreau had a difficult relationship with his mother lillie bring the town to the ground one that might be something that i'd actually was pleased with you do you expected the journal world to do that because those feelings old ryan somewhat deeper in lawrence i wish they had an ambient roar actually read the book though the book itself was about the last weeks of his life from the time he leaves missouri to the time he was shot grow rye and dice in louisville a hospital in generating sixty five so the book itself is on trial telling his story on his deathbed and parts of it are surreal parts of iraq are fever dream so some readers get that others don't come out of that part

is fictionalized and how much of that is based in dhaka historical facts but a lot of it in terms of cointreau as movements in the end what happened en route to kentucky and the thing with the james brothers all that is true i'd me and i went to kentucky went to nelson and undone shelby county is not a lot of research in louisville there are some things which are the dreamlike passages never obviously dreamlike passages those are made up a lot of it is based on truth the whole thing about being shot in the back by the red clad yankees rollers that's all true and his conversion to catholicism and what happened to his bones lawyer of course after his mother got up as his bones and dispirited them back to ohio the kansas state historical society ended up with some long pants on his skull was actually

used by the fraternity and over ohio or for many many years an initiation rites are they called it jake red christmas poems in the eye sockets the pledges put their hands on top of the skeleton and use it i probably for forty years which is the stronger than quattro use it cause he was twenty seven and he died some but there are parts of it that that that are imagined others there in several places we're in present on the place where he comes to the un the debt grow on and the churchmen deserted town that's that's fiction that's a dream he comes upon the the washer woman in the woods that's part of the drain and was a cast about the character of flow of blue few get an eye on all that is fabricated there are blue few hits in kentucky there are family there is a famine troublesome creek that has a blue cast to their skin and that's to

irresistible i had to use them the book my life on what would issues she was fun to write about i just assumed that that was toby ives life no no that's it ran across that article and in some magazine point i've got a poncho has to meet up with a blue girl at some point some again your latest book i acquired troll let's bagger at the one before that hellfire canyon waits recently won the spur ward and also best original paperbacks from the western writers of america interesting but because there's a story inside a story right there and actually three frames the worst title of any western i hated the title help our champion and that's when the few times that the publisher change the title of the book originally title was murder rocked has a certain taney county missouri writes about golf ball and the what we know now as a serial killer didn't have a name for it back then

and be a publisher said we're not going to publish it with with the title murder rocked because wal mart won't buy it with that title walmart wants the title changed how far can i hated how far can i said this is this is a terrible idea the story set in the ozarks they're in canyons near resorts it's a southwestern word or draw scholars so forth so i re wrote the book that the frames and i made up the video for a canyon switch careers in joplin missouri in the nineteen thirties with tyrone power and directed by john houston which i said add this is the fix is official historian the book has footnotes they're unreliable footnotes i hid the book was published i had many calls from hollywood expressing interest in the story and expressing interest in the original picture i had to tell him that there's some fishermen up it's an hour but yeah

the novel that i wrote the novel and then they changed the title i reworked it and after the peak and actually turn into a better book and i hate to admit this the last thing my editor told me i submitted he hated it and gerry goldstein actor pinnacle books is a great friend of mine and he was mine when my first editor's he was a wine editor on my books with doubleday he hated the footnotes he hated the language should you know that's not a traditional westerners jacob gamble was is very complicated and he said be more by this book or hate it or see this truck stop in flagstaff arizona see the footnotes are a throwback and discussed a soldier you know that this is this is the book you know what i said he set aright that will publish it but it'd better when the spur and then a year later when the spurs and that was

also named a kansas notable book and sales were were good and i've recently completed the sequel to help our canyon kenyan diablo it takes the story jacob gamble twenty years after the civil war and he meets his half brother and arizona territory it also has a framing there's also another really involved in that so we have that one to look forward to now be published in february looking for a toilet making very much max thank you carry it was it was wonderful to talk about the workshop and to remember don that's kansas author max mccoy court later of the tall grass writing workshop at camp korea state university we have two copies of max's soon to be released book came in diablo to give away if you like a chance to win one of them drop me an email kate mcintyre at cape you that edu that address again k m c i n t y r e

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