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[BOB EDWARDS]: They expect to hear two broad themes. Fixing the domestic economy and the showdown with Iraq. NPR's David Welna reports from the Capitol. [DAVID WELNA]: Idaho Republican Senator Larry Craig says he wants to hear President Bush deliver a State of the Union message tonight that's bold in tone. [LARRY CRAIG]: Bold in talking about Iraq and our international responsibilities toward human freedom. Bold when it talks about an economic program for this country and domestic policy and his leadership there. I think he is clearly in a position to make that kind of a State of the Union. And I hope he does. [DAVID WELNA]: Craig expects a strong pitch for the $674 billion, 10-year tax cut package President Bush proposed earlier this month in the name of boosting economic growth economic growth. Another Senate Republican, Pennsylvania's Rick Santorum, says apart from those tax breaks and a big jump in defense spending, the President should emphasize austerity. [RICK SANTORUM]: I think he needs to continue to say that it's important that during time of war and with the economy struggling that we focus on fighting the war and sparing the resources necessary to do that, and we need to do things to stabilize this economy. All other priorities have to take a back seat to those two things.

[DAVID WELNA]: Senator John McCain, an Arizona Republican, calls the economy a tough issue for the President, but he says the primary emphasis tonight has to be on Iraq. [JOHN MCCAIN]: There is some lessening of support in the country, so he is going to have to spend a great deal of time on making the case for handling the Iraq situation militarily if necessary. [DAVID WELNA]: The two top leaders of Congressional Democrats yesterday gave what they called a pre-buttal. A reaction to the President's speech even before it's delivered. Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle declared the State of the Union is anxious with Americans uncertain about the future and unclear about the course the country is taking. [TOM DASCHLE]: Today what we're getting from the White House are confused signals instead of clear direction. Slogans instead of solutions. Posturing instead of progress. There is a name for all this -- it's called a credibility gap. [DAVID WELNA]: Pointing to what he called slipping support for U.S. foreign policy, Daschle asked why, if the U.S. has proof Iraq has nuclear and biological weapons, this proof

has not been shown to the world. And he raised questions about the array of motives the administration has given for going after Saddam Hussein, saying it makes people wonder which reason, if any of them, is the real one. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, for her part centered her remarks on the home front. She said President Bush refuses to spend one and $1.5 billion that Congress has approved for Homeland Security. [NANCY PELOSI]: And yet the President says that there is enough money in the wartime budget to create a huge tax cut that benefits the wealthiest in our country. The credibility gap widens. [DAVID WELNA]: Expanding on that theme, Pelosi cited the sales job of the tax cut. [NANCY PELOSI]: The President's tax plan is a Joe Millionaire's tax plan. It romances middle class Americans with the promise of big bucks. But in the end, the surprise is, they get pennies. pennies. [DAVID WELNA]: And Daschle sought to downplay the bump the speech may give a President whose approval ratings have been coming down. [TOM DASCHLE]: The real test of the State of the Union is not how strong the President's words are or how

loud the applause is or how high his approval ratings jump after the speech. The real test of the President's words is whether they lead to action, and whether that action leads to progress. [DAVID WELNA]: In the end, any State of the Union is less a snapshot of the moment than a strategy for the future. But in this case, both parties seem to agree -- big challenges loom just around the corner. David Welna, NPR news, the Capitol. [BOB EDWARDS]: Peter Robinson is a former speechwriter to Vice President George Bush and to President Ronald Reagan. Good morning. [PETER ROBINSON]: Good morning, Bob. [BOB EDWARDS]: How big a challenge does President Bush have in convincing people that a war against Iraq may be necessary and that he has a plan for economic recovery? [PETER ROBINSON]: It's a whopper of a challenge. I can't actually think of a State of the Union address as important as this one. The country needs to have the case made, and he simply has to do that tonight. [BOB EDWARDS]: If you were writing tonight's speech, what would be your prime concern? [PETER ROBINSON]: I would do what I think the Bush speechwriters and

President Bush himself are quite good at doing, what they tend to do naturally -- which is to put aside questions of oratory, at least to begin with, and be very deliberate in building a lawyer-like case. The oratory should rise from the argument. You shouldn't aim for oratory -- you should begin with argument, with making the case. [BOB EDWARDS]: Well, you're no slouch at oratory. You wrote the historic Berlin Wall Address in which President Reagan called on Soviet leader Gorbachev to "tear down this wall." [PETER ROBINSON]: True enough. Ronald Reagan had a little something to do with that speech, by which I mean to say when you're writing for a President, the President is in your mind. You can hear his voice in your mind's ears so to speak. We talk about the mind's eye, each writer has the mind's ear. You're writing for his rhythms, you're writing for the principles that he believes in. And the Bush speechwriters, all of whom are buddies of mine, as it happens, do exactly that with their man. [BOB EDWARDS]: Well last year we got the famous phrase, "Axis of Evil." Will President Bush have something memorable in tonight's speech? [PETER ROBINSON]: I'm sure there will be

something memorable, but again, the oratory really does have to come second. They shouldn't be reaching for that. They should be reaching first for the case. With the drama of the moment, the whole country will be listening. My judgment is that inside Washington, a lot of the members of Congress, the diplomatic community, they know the arguments very well, already. Our allies, Lord knows, seem to have their minds made up. The President needs to talk to the people. He needs to move the nation. [BOB EDWARDS]: He's lost some standing in the polls of late. Is that going to be a factor going into the speech? [PETER ROBINSON]: Implicitly, I suppose, that has to be in minds of folks in the White House. He's lost some standing. He's still, by historic standards, quite a high level. But if you think about it, over the last couple of months as we have been edging closer and closer to war. As people have been reading stories in the newspapers listening to stories on radio about allies getting edgier and edgier, and when ordinary Americans having

more and more reason to feel anxious. The President has been relatively silent. The most reliable frequent sources of information about the war have been the briefings of Donald Rumsfeld. It's only natural, I think, for people to want to hear from the President and to feel edgy until they do. [BOB EDWARDS]: Thank you very much. [PETER ROBINSON]: Thank you. [BOB EDWARDS]: Peter Robinson is a former presidential speechwriter. He's a research fellow at the Hoover Institution, a public policy research center devoted to advanced study of politics, economics, and political economy. The State of the Union address and the Democratic response to it will be broadcast on many NPR stations starting at 9 p.m. eastern time. [Jazzy piano music] [MUSIC] [BOB EDWARDS]: The time is 29 minutes past the hour.

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[MUSIC] [MUSIC] [BOB EDWARDS]: Good morning, I'm Bob Edwards. A replica of the Stanley Cup made from 6,000 Lego bricks is missing. Apparently, stolen from a sports equipment show in Las Vegas last week. The Cup was supposed to be shown in Florida this this week at the National Hockey League's All Star festivities. The company's offering a reward for the return of the Lego Stanley Cup. The reward consists of National Hockey League tickets and assorted Lego products. You're listening to Morning Edition from NPR News. [JEAN COCHRAN]: From NPR News in Washington, I'm Jean Cochran. President Bush delivers his State of the Union address tonight, and aides say the speech will prepare Americans for war but not declare it. Secretary of State Colin Powell says if war comes it will be because Saddam Hussein has ignored the final U.N. command to disarm. And Powell warns Saddam does not have much more time to comply. However, the President's not expected to reveal any dramatic new evidence tonight to persuade skeptical Americans or U.S. allies. He will focus on domestic issues such as tax cuts to

spur the economy, money for church groups to spend on drug treatment programs, and more prescription drug coverage for the elderly. U.S. ally Kuwait has welcomed the report by chief U.N. weapons inspectors on Iraq. NPR's Kate Seeley has more from Beirut. [KATE SEELEY]: Kuwait's information minister today called the U.N. inspector's report, "fair." Ahmad Al-Fahd Al-Sabah said Iraq still had to answer many questions about its alleged banned weapons programs. However, there is no official Kuwaiti reaction to comments made last night by Iraq's Deputy Prime Minister, Tariq Aziz said Baghdad would not rule out striking Kuwait if the country was used as a base for U.S. military operations against Iraq. In an interview with Canada's CBC Television, Aziz called Kuwait, "a battlefield." He said U.S. forces there were preparing for an attack, and said Baghdad had the right to retaliate. Kate Seeley, NPR News, Beirut. [JEAN COCHRAN]: Russia is suggesting it may move closer to the U.S. position on Iraq. President Vladimir Putin says Moscow may

back away from its stand for a diplomatic solution if Baghdad impedes U.N. weapons inspectors. Putin adds that inspectors have so far not reported significant obstacles to their work in Iraq, and he stressed that diplomacy is still an option. Pakistan says it has shot down an unmanned Indian spy plane over the Pakistan controlled part of Kashmir. There's been no response from India. Parliamentary elections are being held in Israel today. NPR's Linda Gradstein has more from Jerusalem. [LINDA GRADSTEIN]: More than 4.7 million Israelis are eligible to vote in the elections for parliament. More than two dozen parties are competing for the 120 seats. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's Likud Party is expected to win about a quarter of the seats. Sharon will then try to form a coalition government. First with the center left Labor Party headed by Amram Mitzna. If that fails, Sharon says he'll opt for a narrow government of right wing and religious parties. It is Israel's third election in three and a half years, and many voters say they want more political stability. Unlike previous elections, many voters

say they are apathetic. The vote is being held under tight security with more than 30,000 soldiers and policemen deployed to prevent Palestinian attacks. Linda Gradstein, NPR news, Jerusalem. [JEAN COCHRAN]: This is NPR News. Voters in Oregon are going to the polls today to decide whether to raise their income taxes for the next three years. The state is facing cutbacks and layoffs due to a budget shortfall. Colin Fogarty of Oregon Public Broadcasting reports. [COLIN FOGARTY]: Oregon is among many states facing budget gaps due to the economic downturn. But it's the only state in which voters will decide whether to prevent budget cuts by raising the state income tax. Oregon voters are traditionally fickle, and just a few months ago, polls showed this measure would fail miserably as voters were wary of raising taxes in the state that has one of the highest unemployment rates in the country. But more recent polls have shown the tax measure gaining ground after repeated news stories about impending budget cuts to schools, social services, and law enforcement. If the measure fails, the state will implement more than

$300 million in budget cuts. The measure is being watched nationally as an indicator of how Americans feel about taxes increases to pay for public services. For NPR News, I'm Colin Fogarty, in Salem, Oregon. [JEAN COCHRAN]: The Commerce Department reports orders for durable goods rose slightly last month, two tenths of one percent. The figures suggest the manufacturing sector continues to struggle. Weakness in automobile orders weighed down the report. Excluding the transportation sector, orders were up 1.1 percent. The Federal Reserve begins a two day session on interest rates today. And most economists expect the central bank to stand pat. Holding rates where they are at a four decade low of one and a quarter percent. In fact, most analysts believe Chairman Alan Greenspan and his colleagues won't do anything with rates for much of the year. Wall Street will be interested in the commentary that comes with the Fed's decision tomorrow. I'm Jean Cochran, NPR News in Washington. [MALE ANNOUNCER]: Support for NPR comes from Lendingtree.com -- A marketplace of banks and lenders offering mortgage, home equity and auto loans. When banks

compete, you win. Lendingtree.com. [MUSIC] [BOB EDWARDS]: People who bought compact discs between 1995 and 2000 may be entitled to a refund. That's part of a settlement in a class action lawsuit brought on behalf of consumers by attorneys general from 41 states. Record companies have agreed to pay money to consumers and provide millions of free CDs to schools and charitable groups. NPR's Jack Speer reports. [JACK SPEER]: If you bought any recorded music during the period covered by the case, whether it was by country artist Faith Hill or by the rock band Faith No More, you could be entitled to a share of the $67 million settlement. The case revolves around whether the major record labels, such as Bertelsmann, Universal Music, and Sony, along with a number of retail chains, conspired to keep CD prices artificially high by setting minimum advertised sales prices. Steven Steingard is a Philadelphia lawyer who represents

individual consumers in the case. [STEVEN STEINGARD]: We've set up a program for persons who purchased compact discs and other music products between January 1, 1995, and December 22, 2000, to file a claim if they meet certain criteria, and they'd be entitled to a cash payment. [JACK SPEER]: The court estimates over the five years covered by the case, music buyers were overcharged by at least a half a billion dollars. The record companies, however, maintain they did nothing wrong. They say the pricing system was designed to help the smaller record chains by preventing so-called superstores like Walmart and Circuit City from undercutting them by selling CDs at below cost. However, in the end, defendants say they agreed to settle to avoid what they say could have turned into a costly legal fight. Sara Hanson is a spokesperson for Tower Records. [SARA HANSON]: We've always believed that the claims against Tower asserted in the litigation are meritless, and consequently we have denied, and continue

to deny, the allegations. [JACK SPEER]: Consumers don't need a receipt to file a claim. They simply have to provide basic information about where and when they bought a CD in order to be eligible for a refund of up to $20. And along with the cash settlement, defendants also agreed to shell out another $75 million worth of free CDs for libraries and schools. At a Tower Records store in Washington, D.C., Hilda Caines was perusing the aisles. She hadn't heard about the settlement. [HILDA CAINES]: Music purchases are something I do often, and that would certainly amount, well it's just really kind of a critical development for the consumer, and no one's heard of it. [JACK SPEER]: Chrissy Healey, on the other hand, says she saw something in Rolling Stone magazine and had heard an announcement on her local music radio station. However, she wasn't sure whether she'd actually ever get around to filing a claim. [CHRISSY HEALEY]: It's one of those things that you consider and then forget about as you turn the page of the magazine. I guess it would be worth it, because I do spend a lot of money on CDs. So, probably. [JACK SPEER]: Around a million people have filed claims so far.

However, if the number rises above eight and a half million, that would take the payout below five dollars per person, too low an amount to refund customers by mail. The cash portion of the settlement would then simply be shifted over to the $75 million fund to buy free CDs for schools and libraries. Checks would not go out until May at the earliest. That's when a U.S. District Court judge in Maine who's presiding over the case is expected to make a final determination on the fairness of the settlement. Jack Speer, NPR News, Washington. [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [BOB EDWARDS]: The time is 21 minutes before the hour. [Music] [Music]

[Music] [Music] [BOB EDWARDS]: This is Morning Edition from NPR News. I'm Bob Edwards. For years, the drugs that most effectively treat AIDS have been unaffordable to most people in Africa, but the production of cheap generic drugs in Brazil and India is changing that. In Mozambique, Western aid agencies are launching several pilot programs to provide the treatments free of charge. But NPR's Jason Beaubien reports the programs face numerous challenges. [JASON BEAUBIEN]: Each morning, mothers with their babies line up for neonatal care inside the courtyard of the Primero de Mayo Health Clinic in Maputo. A quarter of the women who come to this single-story colonial compound are HIV-positive. Last month, Médecins Sans Frontières started a limited program here

to offer free antiretroviral drugs to people with AIDS. [PETE CORRENNE]: Ok, this is the central waiting room. You will see on both sides, two consultation rooms. [JASON BEAUBIEN]: Dr. Pete Correnne with Médecins Sans Frontières says up until two months ago, antiretroviral drugs were almost completely unavailable in Mozambique. The few people who could afford $200 a month for the pills got them across the border in South Africa. The MSF program has its first five patients now on the drugs. Correnne says the goal is to get 20 new patients a month onto the potentially life-saving therapy. [PETE CORRENNE]: I know that's not a lot. Certainly we do have much more people. OK, we have to start somewhere. It's not an excuse not to do it. Certainly we won't be able really to offer it to everybody. [JASON BEAUBIEN]: This program is one of three being in Mozambique by foreign aid agencies. Antiretroviral drugs have been shown to suppress the level of the virus in the blood and to slow the onset of the disease. The drugs could save hundreds of thousands, potentially even millions of lives, in Africa. The government of Mozambique, unlike its neighbor South Africa, has always supported the use of antiretrovirals. It

just couldn't afford them. So Mozambique negotiated a deal three months ago. An Indian pharmaceutical company to import generic versions of the AIDS drugs at about a tenth the usual price. Dr. Correnne says cost is just one of the obstacles to providing antiretrovirals antiretrovirals in places like Mozambique, which also lack the infrastructure and trained personnel to monitor the program. [PETE CORRENNE]: For a lab here you need electricity. And then foresee the (unclear), that's not that easy to do, for example see for accomplishing we intend to have, we will need air conditioning. The temperature is a problem. [JASON BEAUBIEN]: Most of the population of Mozambique doesn't have access to health clinics, never mind electricity and air conditioning. And then there are the social problems in getting patients to take medication every day while HIV carries a strong stigma. Lea Alberto is a nurse who conducts HIV texts at the clinic. Women don't come for the HIV tests, Alberto says. They come for the regular

medical exam. If I come out positive, how am I going to tell my husband? For this reason, Alberto says, says, a lot of women are hesitant to get tested. Dr. Mohamad Aluma, who treats AIDS patients in a private practice in Maputo, questions the introduction of free antiretrovirals. antiretrovirals. Aluma says he's concerned about the long-term commitment of the foreign aid agencies to provide the drugs. [MOHAMAD ALUMA]: You must understand that once you start, you can't stop. You've got to keep doing it until either the patient dies, or, if one day we are lucky there is a cure, then that's where the hope lies. But if you start such a program, it means it has to be a continuous exercise. [JASON BEAUBIEN]: If the programs were to stop providing the drugs or failed to administer them properly, drug-resistant forms of HIV could crop up in the region. Ada Germa, who runs the United Nations AIDS programs in Mozambique, however, says the aid groups are proceeding cautiously. Germa adds that Mozambique is a long way from offering the drug therapy to a significant number of people. [ADA GERMA]: It is a country just coming out of 17 years of civil war that shattered health systems that they're trying to rebuild

and everything, plus they have been facing repeated natural disasters and so on, so it's really, we're really at the very beginning. [JASON BEAUBIEN]: Mozambique isn't the only country in the region trying to introduce antiretrovirals. South Africa, after debating whether HIV causes AIDS, now says it will provide antiretrovirals to all pregnant women. And Botswana has promised to offer free universal access to the drugs, although they still only reach a small percentage of those who could benefit from the treatments. Jason Beaubien, NPR News, Maputo. ***** [BOB EDWARDS]: Yesterday - [AUDIO CUTS OUT] [MALE SPEAKER]: ...successfully with the public on a number of levels. She has the know-how to get things done. She has, in short, every qualification to be not just a successful mayor, but an outstanding one. And so it is my pleasure to introduce to you the next mayor of Wichita, Joan Cole. [APPLAUSE] [JOAN COLE]: What a wonderful beginning. Good afternoon, and thank you so much for coming. Some of you have come a far piece, and I appreciate your joining me today. It probably comes as

no surprise that I'm here today to announce my intention to become the next mayor of Wichita. [APPLAUSE] [APPLAUSE] If we want to keep Wichita safe, vibrant, and healthy, we need strong leadership. We need vision coupled with effective action, and we need it quickly. One of the popular themes in many election is running government like a business. Well, having run my own successful business, and having served in city government for the last twenty-five years, I can tell you that while business experience is helpful, it is not nearly enough. The democratic process is

wonderful, deliberate, painstaking, contentious, and sometimes maddening, especially if you believe -- as I do -- that city government should be open, inclusive, and willing to listen to all points of view. Knowing how it works and how to get things done within the structure of city government takes experience. It is imperative that we have a mayor who is a proven leader, one who can hit the ground running. running. I have been active in city government for 25 years, including eight years on the Wichita city council, two as vice-mayor. I know how city government works. As my record of public service indicates, I can get things accomplished. I also complete what I start. My focus as mayor will be on three key issues: economic and workforce development, public safety, and

a healthy neighborhoods, and holding the line on the budget and operating within our means. First, economic and workforce development. It is critical that the city become a committed partner in economic development and workforce training. We must focus upon positioning our community for future business expansion and job growth. Only business can provide the jobs and income that drive our local economy. But the city has not done nearly enough to ensure that we have a highly trained and skilled workforce. Currently half a dozen agencies and entities offer job training and placement, but there is little or no coordination or meaningful collaboration among them.

If we are truly serious about improving the economy, city government must become a key player and partner in this important effort. Second, public safety. Along with growth must come a commitment to keeping Wichita a safe place to live. Ensuring safe and healthy neighborhoods citywide has been important to me since my first term on the city council, when we implemented community policing. But more remains to be done. Third is budget. During my tenure on the council we approved balanced budgets, did not increase the property tax, and operated within our means, all the while addressing the needs of our community, which experienced an almost 13 percent growth in population. I plan to continue that practice and keep Wichita financially sound. I mentioned that experience would be very important in the next mayor's efforts to keep Wichita growing and improving.

My ability to build and lead teams has resulted in successful city projects both in my district and beyond. To accomplish them, it was necessary to work well with my colleagues on the city council who, even on very difficult projects, generally supported me. I will work to build a team of city officials who are willing to work together toward common goals and also seek opportunities to collaborate with other governmental units and officials on behalf of the best... [AUDIO CUTS OUT] ***** [TIMOTHY GRUVER] ...here, to see the Ducks going on here, so I just started going to a lot of the Final Fridays and just getting to know the people, and got to know Dave and Barb in September on a Final Friday. And I ended up staying there for a little while, and we went to their little patio and had some wine and just sort of talked, and they're from outside of here, so we just

sort of talked about all of these things. And it was on my mind, the idea of a film festival, so we just got to talking, and they've been so supportive. [FEMALE REPORTER]: Yeah, they're really doing some neat things, over there. [TIMOTHY GRUVER]: Is she going to want anything? [FEMALE REPORTER]: Yeah I'm fine, thank you. [TIMOTHY GRUVER]: Where in regards to sound-wise do you think would be good? Is here, with the vaulted ceilings, I don't know if that would be, echo too much? [FEMALE REPORTER]: This is fine, actually. Right here is good. [TIMOTHY GRUVER]: And this will be airing today, essentially? [FEMALE REPORTER]: This afternoon, yeah. [TIMOTHY GRUVER]: Can I get a copy of the show from you later on? [FEMALE REPORTER]: Yeah, umm. Would you be able to- [TIMOTHY GRUVER]: It's just because my publicist is in L.A., and they want to get a copy. I'm going to be on Channel 3, on the 28th, and they want a copy of that, as well. So basically anything press-wise that's happened or done, they want. [FEMALE REPORTER]: If you can

get it off the internet, I can post it on our site, and you can get it there, or I can make a copy of it, whichever is easier. [TIMOTHY GRUVER]: A copy would probably be best, if that's okay. I just wanted to share this with you before we started, just to let you know of the senator's awareness and support of it. [FEMALE REPORTER]: Uh huh. [SILENCE] [SILENCE] [SILENCE] [BACKGROUND NOISES] [FEMALE REPORTER]: Ok. [TIMOTHY GRUVER]: So now, are you a student at Wichita State?

[FEMALE REPORTER]: No, I do Morning Edition there and work full time over there. [TIMOTHY GRUVER]: Did you go to WSU? [FEMALE REPORTER]: No, I'm actually from Washington state. [TIMOTHY GRUVER]: Oh, hell! What part? [FEMALE REPORTER]: Eastern Washington, it's a small town called Goldendale. [TIMOTHY GRUVER]: Goldendale? Have you heard of Sherman Alexie? The Native American writer? [FEMALE REPORTER]: Yeah, yeah. [TIMOTHY GRUVER]: Sherman's a friend of mine, and we got to know each other at the L.A. Film Festival last year. Great guy. Really enjoy his writing. [FEMALE REPORTER]: Ok, I'm just going to scoot up so I can get better mike placement here. Can I have you state your name and the organization that you're with and if you have any title within it? [TIMOTHY GRUVER]: My name is Timothy Gruver, and I'm the acting executive director for the Wichita Association for the Motion Picture Arts. [FEMALE REPORTER]: Ok, and tell me when you founded this and what it is, the background of it. [TIMOTHY GRUVER]: Well, we just founded it, in fact, just right after the first of the year, and before that I've spent the last couple

months putting together my board of directors and getting everything in line that a nonprofit arts organization needs. And how it came to be was my last job I was the marketing coordinator for the Los Angeles Film Festival, and I ran into the Kansas film commissioner there. And so he and I brainstormed over breakfast, just ideas and wonderful things about Wichita, and I had asked him if there were many film events going on, and he wasn't quite sure. So I came back myself over Labor Day and basically took about the month of September to go out to see all the new things that have happened since I've been here, which has been the last 12 years since I've lived here, and really saw a lot of tremendous potential here in the city for an event like this to happen. [FEMALE REPORTER]: And what are some of the things that sparked the idea to have this in Wichita? [TIMOTHY GRUVER]: Well, interestingly enough, I went to the Brigham Young University for film school, but I credit so much of my education to the Wichita Public Library, at the central branch. When I

was in high school I used to make it a habit of going down and I would go to the listening station, grab a bunch of CDs, and I would grab the trades, which were the Daily Variety and The Hollywood Reporter, as well as scripts that they had ordered in for the library and other biographies. And I literally spent sophomore, junior, senior year looking over all of those trades and looking over all of those biographies and those scripts and educating myself on everything that I loved, which was film. And interestingly enough, when I went on to film school, I had many instructors compliment my education of knowing so much about the "business of the biz," so to speak. And so I've always credited Wichita Public Library. Whoever that librarian was that made that decision to purchase those scripts, to bring the trades, even though they were a few days late, you know, I was still able to read, you know, these trades that are really the Bible and what the industry goes by. [FEMALE REPORTER]: Ok. And were you born and raised in Wichita, then? [TIMOTHY GRUVER]: I was born in Topeka, and I was raised in Wichita. I'm

adopted, and so that's why I was born up there in Topeka and my parents have been here in Kansas for quite a few generations, actually. [FEMALE REPORTER]: Ok. So what about Wichita has qualities that you think would make a successful place for a film festival? [TIMOTHY GRUVER]: First and foremost, everyone here goes to the movies. And the funny thing is being in Los Angeles and being a part of the movie system, a lot of times you don't go to the movies. You get videocassettes, or you go to free screenings, or sometimes are almost separated from that experience of just going to the movies. Being back here, my mom is a huge movie freak, and so I'm always being dragged with her, and when I was younger the same thing happened. I was always been dragged to the movies. And there are packed houses, and I love seeing that. I love seeing lines, I love seeing- it's a real weekend event to go to the movies. And I think with the Warren Theatres being built, with the Dickinson Theatres expanding, and even Jay Ingalls' Cinemas West, turning that into an arthouse has been wonderful for the city in

bringing more varied types of films here to the city. [FEMALE REPORTER]: And do you think that- a lot of times I'll see maybe an independent film that I want to see, and it just doesn't come to Wichita. Do you think that having a film festival will maybe bring a greater variety of films to Wichita? [TIMOTHY GRUVER]: I think the first year or so, we really want to concentrate on the idea of introducing film as art. It's so prevalent in our lives right now -- motion pictures, that is -- I mean, you get off work, you go home, you turn on the TV. You go to the movies because you're bored. And you don't really remember the fact that you're actually going and participating in an art form. And so I think that's what we want to start doing the first couple years. But yes, it's really- film festivals are to highlight films that may not get that distribution, you know? Or that may be so small that nobody may get a chance to see that outside of a film festival circuit. For instance, Spiderman, you know, it was over $100 million to produce, and there's many great small

films that were $100,000 to produce, but because of their level of production and their connections, they may not get seen unless it's on a film festival circuit. And I think that, for instance, I know the filmmakers of Real Women Have Curves, and that is a daring project, simply because it's a wonderful story, you know, about real people. And I've been really happy to see them in all their success. Last year at last year's Sundance, now it's in distribution, and there's even talk of a possible Oscar nomination. So that's wonderful to see those small films get that kind of exposure, and it starts on the festival circuit. [FEMALE REPORTER]: Ok. What are your ideas, what would a film festival look like in Wichita? [TIMOTHY GRUVER]: Well, I'd love to have it be centered in a really fun, almost bohemian-like setting. And of course, I'm thinking of Old Town. I think that with all the development that's happening down there, there's gonna be new movie theaters built down there, the Orpheum is continuing to be restored, there's been announcements of new residential areas being refurbished and restored. And I think

that lends itself to a great atmosphere. Wichita is a long city, it seems, both in the eastside and the westside, and even the north and south suburbs are really growing. And so sort of giving it that central location would be a lot of fun and would be convenient. I think if you were to have it in any one part of the city, it could tend to get lost. But having it be in downtown and having, you know, the wonderful East Bank project happening, there's so many things that are starting to focus on downtown. And I think for a city Wichita's size, that by concentrating on something like that, here in the middle of the city would be really well for it. [FEMALE REPORTER]: Ok. Are you going to focus on local film producers or a certain type of film? What's going to be the focus of the film festival? [TIMOTHY GRUVER]: The focus is really going to be introducing quality films to Wichita and Kansas and regional audiences. That's first and foremost the main goal of it. If some of those films come from

this region, I think that's incredible. I think that this region has such an amazing opportunity to really learn about filmmaking, and I think that that comes by bringing filmmakers who are experienced into this region. What will happen, I feel, those filmmakers are going to be introduced to the Midwest. Their eyes are going to be opened. There's many who I know never come here. And so I think that it'll be fun to see their reaction to the audiences here, to the landscape, to the city. I mean for all we know, there could be a filmmaker who has a dream projects set in Victorian Midwest, and if he comes and goes on Emporia between Central and 13th, and sees those amazing houses, he's going to think, "Backlot!" And I'm not saying that that's going to happen, but that's the possibility of what could happen. In return, there's a number of filmmakers here who want to tell midwest stories and who want to live in the Midwest. They don't want to go to the coasts. And I think that having that dialogue start between these filmmakers and local filmmakers, that does nothing but enhance the local stories that'll

be told here. [FEMALE REPORTER]: Ok. And of course you want to see this project succeed, but why do you think it will succeed here? [TIMOTHY GRUVER]: A. It's time, you know, economically, the city was doing great five years ago but who knows if an idea like this could have happened five years ago. Twelve years ago when I used to live here, I don't think it could have happened at all. I don't think that the film festival identity or awareness nationwide was really out there. Nowadays, Sundance is a brand name, it's a household word. And pretty much everyone knows if you talk about Sundance, you're either talking about Robert Redford, or you're talking about the film festival, or you're talking about independent film. And I think because of all of the, really, the work in the film industry that's happened on the independent level in the past few years has just made it just really right for Wichita. I've been so astonished and pleased at the amount of support for the festival that we've gotten so far. And, you know, both financially and just excitement for the

festival. And I think people are wanting to donate their time and their services because they just feel this is something the city should have. [FEMALE REPORTER]: And how will it be funded? [TIMOTHY GRUVER]: Funding is going to be happening basically through sponsorships, corporate sponsorships. As I outlined in the Wichita Eagle, the film festival world is a nonprofit arts organization world. Therefore you get funding through federal grants, through local grants, arts grants. You also get financial help through corporate sponsorships and through philanthropic donations. On top of that comes ticket sales, benefits that you're going to have for the film festival in various ways. Because it's a 501c3 organization, which makes it a nonprofit arts organization, it's really supported by the generosity of people and their various, you know, philanthropy. [FEMALE REPORTER]: And do you see a number figure, a dollar figure, of how much it's going to take to bring this to Wichita? [TIMOTHY GRUVER]: Well, I'm

coming, honestly, from Los Angeles, where the last two film festivals I was involved with were 10 and 12 day events, over a million dollar budget, and being in Los Angeles, of course, I'm dealing with premium prices. Coming here to Wichita, I, you know, looked over some old budgets of various film festivals, and I was thinking around $300,000 as what it probably will take. I think that that'll be a total amount, meaning once you take all of the in-kind donations and the cash, liquid cash, that you'll have to utilize during the film festival year, that's probably what it will amount to. As to what we'll really be dealing with? You know, that's always up in the air, and being the first year, you never quite know and can gauge it. But I've been honestly pleasantly surprised at some of the pricing that I've been doing here in the city and then finding out that at least half of what I thought an item would be is what it really is here in the city. [FEMALE REPORTER]: Ok. And when do you plan the film festival. [TIMOTHY GRUVER]: Well, we actually have a press release coming out in,

while we're at Sundance this year we're actually going to have a reception there, with the Kansas Film Commission. And there's also a film there at Sundance this year called Rolling Kansas. And so we are of course going to host the producer and the director, who is Thomas Haden Church from Ned and Stacy, if anybody remembers that TV show, it was a really funny show. And we're going to host them at this reception, and we're basically going to announce to the film festival world in Sundance that we've created a film festival here in Wichita. And because of all of our connections both within the state, and then my connections within the independent film world, you know, I hope to get the word out that we're now here, we're officially started, and we're going to be bringing something really unique to the Midwest. And we'll be announcing our dates at that reception. [FEMALE REPORTER]: What are you doing tonight? What's this event all about tonight? [TIMOTHY GRUVER]: Tonight we're having a launch reception for the organization, and again the organization's called The Wichita Association for the Motion Picture Arts.

As for the name of the film festival, we're still coming up with that. I got a wonderful suggestion from one of our board members today. So I'm going to present that to the board. Probably pull each one of them aside tonight, and offer the suggestion and see what they think. And so I really love it though, so hopefully that's the one we'll go with. But this launch reception is really a chance for the entire city to come out and to meet the board of directors, to meet myself, and to find out a little bit more about our organization, what we're going to do. In this organization, what we want to do is make it so that it's not just a nonprofit organization to house and facilitate a film festival, but also it can act as a resource to local and regional filmmakers. And one of the things that we're going to be concentrating on as the year goes on, along with planning the festival, is building up these affiliations with for instance Tribeca Entertainment, with IFP Los Angeles, and all the independent feature projects branches throughout the

nation, as well as the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. [FEMALE REPORTER]: And what areas of the community do your board members come from? [TIMOTHY GRUVER]: I made a concentrated effort to focus on a nice balance of the business, civic, and philanthropic leadership throughout the city, as well as looking at the needs that we'll have for the film festival. You know, you've got to have your airline sponsorships, you've got to have your hospitality accommodations, you've got to have your venues for your films, you've got to have, you know, various and certain things for a festival. And so as I looked at the city leaders, and as I looked at basically who was here in the city, I made a concentrated effort to go and focus on those individuals and those leaders. And I'm really excited, we have 11 people on our board, and they're just tremendous. They're excited, and they know that their objective is to work towards getting this film festival up and running. So they all know that they're a working board. And they're real excited and I'm really happy. [FEMALE REPORTER]: Will the film festival

be a week of just films, or are you planning to have other events coincide with them? [TIMOTHY GRUVER]: Well, I'm looking at- it'll be an extended weekend for the film festival. And it will be an assortment of films and events, meaning there will be various programs throughout the weekend of different various types of films. But I plan on also having, perhaps, poolside chats or receptions or, you know, new ways of creating dialogue among filmmakers and moviegoers. I, for one, hate panels, so I don't expect there to be any panels happening, because what I really feel is important is to gain that interaction and to have that one-on-one dialogue. I know all of my experiences with filmmakers, where I've had a chance to sit and talk with them -- that's where I've learned. I don't think I've ever learned sitting at a panel, listening to six or seven people struggle to take their turn, you know, at the microphone. I just- I'm really against that type of process of education. To me, it's get in there and

talk to them and learn from them. And, for instance, I related this in the paper, but one of my first years at Sundance Film Festival, I snuck into the Miramax party. And so there I am in this condo with, you know, 200 other people, and all of sudden I find myself face to face with Samuel L. Jackson. And I told him that I was a Najavo producer. And he's like, "Navajo producer!" And he was so excited to meet me and to talk about, you know, both what I was doing in film school, and the stories that I eventually want to tell. And we literally stood there and talked for like 15 minutes, and I had actually just completed my student film. And it was wonderful to be treated like a filmmaker. And it was wonderful to be treated as an equal, which he did, and I'll always remember that. And I think that that's the type of feeling that local filmmakers will get, you know, when they're able to talk with anybody that we're able to bring here. [FEMALE REPORTER]: Do you still make films? [TIMOTHY GRUVER]: I do, I've just completed a short film entitled "The Moment After," starring Gerald McCullouch, who is on CSI. And that is currently on the festival circuit right now. We've gotten

some wonderful feedback, and I'm really really proud of that. That was the first film I actually shot in 35 mm, and if you're familiar with the different formats, there's that, which is on film, and then there's also digital filmmaking, which is getting really popular simply because it's economical. Bobby Bukowski, who was the director of photography on Crime and Punishment in Suburbia as well as Arlington Road starring Tim Robbins, was my director of photography for this film. Peggy David, who edited Kevin Spacey's film The Big Kahuna was our editor. And our sound team worked on Momento and Insomnia. So I had a really great learning opportunity to work with these professionals who, you know, are just tremendously talented and we were very fortunate in having them, you know, contribute so much of their time and energy to this project. [FEMALE REPORTER]: Do you see the film festival being an outlet for just feature films? Or shorts or animated? [TIMOTHY GRUVER]: What I really want to do

is, I want to introduce the short film again to the public. And along with having specific shorts programs, which I'm looking at possible two, I also want to put a short film before every single feature that plays at the festival. That, to me, is very important, because it is such a tremendous artform. I've produced three short films so far. So, I have a vested interest in seeing that art form continue to be explored. And I even have, you know, three or four more ideas for short films. And the great thing about short film is, short film is really- it's a visual concept, and that's pretty much it. And I think the best short films that you ever see aren't a story, per se, but just a concept that they visualized, and I think that that's what's really fun about short film. And it is a tremendous art form, I mean if you can create a really interesting short, wow! I mean you have some amazing talent. And so it's a really a difficult art form, but I hope to reintroduce that to theaters here. As far as

animation films, I love animation. I got my start at Dreamworks Animation. I was in the operations end of it -- I can't draw worth anything. But being around all those artists, I have such tremendous respect for animation, and I'ld love to see some independent animation work be shown here, and get people excited about that. Because animation comes in so many different forms, whether it's stop-motion, claymation, or ink, or pencil, or I've seen a variety of things. [FEMALE REPORTER]: So how do you see this film festival fitting into kind of the greater Wichita community? [TIMOTHY GRUVER]: I see it fitting into the community by, honestly, sparking interest in film, as well as sparking an interest in the city. Film festivals by their very nature are very adult, And there's always been sort of this dearth of things for, you know, the 18-35, 18-40

set to do, and I think that this will lend itself, not just to- for the filmmakers, but will contribute to Old Town, will contribute to essentially the way of life for the citizens here in Wichita. There are people who love this town, andhave such a vested interest in it, and I think giving them something like a film festival continues to build on having that vested interest in seeing the city succeed. It's really not to be a one-upsman on any other city, nor is it to keep up with the Joneses, per se, but it just adds to the quality of life. And, you know, our staff this year i'm sure will be heavily volunteer based, and some of the greatest friends and people you can meet you'll meet volunteering at a film festival. And so I think it's exciting that we can just offer another activity here to the people here in Wichita. [FEMALE REPORTER]: Anything else you want to add? [TIMOTHY GRUVER]: Just be sure and come to the reception this evening if you get a chance. It's from 8-11 at LineSight Gallery which is in Old Town. It's 143 North Rock Island on the third floor. Dave and

Barb Kopecek run that, and they're amazing couple and regardless of the reception they're an amazing space, and I would hope that people really support them in their endeavors as well. [FEMALE REPORTER]: Ok, thanks! ***** [MALE REPORTER]: So what does this mean for you guys now? [STEVE ROONEY]: That means at this point, we are voting this contract today, but the votes will not be counted. We are gonna be in Washington D.C., we've been ordered to be in Washington, D.C., on Wednesday for the parties to meet again. [MALE REPORTER]: Is this a bad thing for the union? [STEVE ROONEY]: Well, I think anytime we can get the parties back together to resolve, is in the best interest of both parties. [FEMALE REPORTER]: Sir, I was just told that Dick Ziegler from local Boeing here is saying that this is not a court-ordered thing, and that Boeing has rejected the offer to go back to the table. [STEVE ROONEY]: Well it's right out of the...it's right here, you're welcome to look at it. It's from the director of Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service. So I'm assuming you're telling me the Boeing Company doesn't want to be in compliance with the federal

government? [FEMALE REPORTER]: I'm just saying what he said. [STEVE ROONEY]: OK. I can show you what the letter says. [FEMALE REPORTER]: So this is a court-ordered thing?] [STEVE ROONEY]: Yes, it is. From Federal Mediation, from the federal government. [FEMALE REPORTER]: Which court? [STEVE ROONEY]: It's from Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service, right out of Washington. [MALE REPORTER]: Is it binding? [STEVE ROONEY]: Yes, it is! I can't believe somebody sitting here telling me Boeing Company says they're not going to be in compliance with the federal government. [MALE REPORTER]: Sir, has this ever happened, as far as you know? [STEVE ROONEY]: Yes, it did. 1986. We were counting votes and the mediation stopped the vote count and got the parties back together in 1986. [FEMALE REPORTER]: Who holds on to the ballots? [STEVE ROONEY]: Pardon? [FEMALE REPORTER]: Who holds on to the ballots? [STEVE ROONEY]: They will be sealed, the ballots will be sealed, and signed, and locked up in a vault at the district office. They will not be touched until federal mediation tells us to count the votes. [FEMALE REPORTER]: What are your thoughts and feelings, is this a good or bad thing? [WHISTLE] [STEVE ROONEY]: It's an attempt to get the parties back together to resolve this without a labor dispute, and any time we can do that I think it's of benefit to both parties. [MALE REPORTER]: How are the rank-and-file reacting to this news? [STEVE ROONEY]: It's got,

it's mixed. I think a lot of them are glad to see us going back, and a lot of them is really upset by this company's offer. I mean, this company's offer is a slap in the face to the people that made the Boeing Company the number one aerospace company in the world. It's nothing but a slap in the face to these people. [FEMALE REPORTER]: Now you've got to wait and work under the same contract? [STEVE ROONEY]: They're working under the same contract under the direction of federal mediation. [MALE REPORTER]: So what does this mean, they go back to work on Tuesday, right? [STEVE ROONEY]: They go back to work on Tuesday, regular shift, just like nothing has changed. [MALE REPORTER]: What do you think the mood will be like in there? [STEVE ROONEY]: That I can't tell you. I've told the people to go back to work and do their job. [MALE REPORTER]: Is it your feeling that what was missing in the equation to have reached an agreement was more time? [STEVE ROONEY]: What's missing in the equation to avoid a work stoppage is the company failing to address the peoples' issues, which was job security, pensions, and healthcare. They certainly have no problem making a commitment to any of their suppliers overseas or anywhere else to commit to jobs. Why not commit to this community, right here to Wichita! Jeff Turner is supposed the be the chairman, the head of the chamber of commerce here. Where's his commitment to Wichita and the people in this community? [FEMALE REPORTER]: What's your name, sir? [STEVE ROONEY]: Steve Rooney. I'm president and directing business rep for District Lodge 70 here.

[MALE REPORTER]: When did you receive that? [STEVE ROONEY]: It got faxed to me this morning. In fact one of them was faxed up here as we stood here during the meeting, the letter from the federal mediator. [MALE REPORTER]: How does this sort of thing happen? Who requests this, or? [ROONEY]: Now that I can't answer. I don't know. I was told that we're going to have a letter coming to us here this morning. I got this delivered to me while I was on stage. So I read through this letter, and it told us there would be more information forthcoming today and that's the second letter that they have right there. [FEMALE REPORTER]: So when do talks start up again? [STEVE ROONEY]: We have to be back in Washington, D.C., this time, not Seattle, Washington. We're summoned to Washington, D.C., to be there on Wednesday. [FEMALE REPORTER]: What happens if he doesn't go- will these votes ever be counted? [STEVE ROONEY]: Yeah, if we can't reach any further movement, then absolutely, those votes are counted, and whatever happens from there, from [?unclear?] days. [MALE REPORTER]: So you have to wait 30 days to count those? [STEVE ROONEY]: No, it's up to 30 days. Federal mediation has requested that we return to the bargaining table as

being under the current labor agreement for up to 30 days. [MALE REPORTER]: But if there are any changes, you'd have to vote again? [STEVE ROONEY]: That's correct, if anything changes, we vote again. [FEMALE REPORTER]: So this sends you back to the table? [STEVE ROONEY]: Yes it does. Sends us back to the bargaining table. [FEMALE REPORTER]: For up to 30 days? [STEVE ROONEY]: For up to 30 days. [FEMALE REPORTER]: Anything we're not asking? [FEMALE REPORTER]: Is this, I mean, why does this- why do they, is this on somebody's (?unclear?), like the company's...? [STEVE ROONEY]: That I can't answer. I can't answer that. [FEMALE REPORTER]: Can you (?unclear?)? [STEVE ROONEY]: I need to go back in to answer questions for the members. They asked me to step out here for a few minutes. I'd be glad to do that in a little bit. [FEMALE REPORTER]: What kind of questions have they been asking you? [FEMALE REPORTER]: Can we get a copy of this? [STEVE ROONEY]: Members are still asking questions right now about the proposal, and so I told them I'd answer. But somebody reported to me that the Boeing Company is denying any of this stake in place, and I just shared the letter. [FEMALE REPORTER]: I'm not trying to- I'm not not believing what you're showing us,

(?unclear?) right there, but Dick Ziegler has said that this is not a court-ordered thing, and that they don't want to go back to the table. I find that bizarre. [STEVE ROONEY]: I find it bizarre that the Boeing Company would say that they're not going to comply with the federal government. [MALE SPEAKER]: That's enough, everybody. We've got members to serve, here. [MALE REPORTER]: So you're going back Tuesday? [STEVE ROONEY]: The letter says "I am convening a meeting on Wednesday, September 4, 2002, 10 a.m., at the national office of FMCS, Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service, at 2100 K Street Northwest, Washington D.C." [FEMALE REPORTER]: Spell you last name for us? [STEVE ROONEY]: R O O N E Y. [FEMALE REPORTER]: Is there somebody that could go live with us? One of your people? Either you or Bear -- is Bear around? Or Bob? [CROWD NOISES] [CROWD NOISES]

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Thanks. [FEMALE REPORTER]: Z I E S E N I S (?unclear?) Z I E S E N I S, you got it? [FEMALE REPORTER]: So you've been up there a long time? [CARY ZIESENIS]: No, I've been here for 6 years. [FEMALE REPORTER]: So you are newer. I can't believe you're still there. [CARY ZIESENIS]: I'm the shop steward on third shift. And shop stewards are protected. [FEMALE REPORTER]: And what's your job? [CARY ZIESENIS]: Machinist. I'm a CNC machinist. [FEMALE REPORTER]: Ok, and you said you voted for the contract? [CARY ZIESENIS]: Yes. [FEMALE REPORTER]: Why? [CARY ZIESENIS]: For the ratification bonus. I'm going to get laid off, well,

November 8, so I want the money now. [FEMALE REPORTER]: So you're not worried about the retirement or anything like that? [CARY ZIESENIS]: I'm 32 years old. I'm not going to retire from this company anyway, with my seniority unless I can pull the age card, I am way below average age of the Boeing worker. [FEMALE REPORTER]: Do you think it's a decent contract? [CARY ZIESENIS]: It's an excellent contract. I don't know of anything else in this industry that can do that. I mean, I come from small job shops that didn't offer anything. I come up to Boeing, and, man, I hit the lottery. There ain't no place else you can make this kind of money, for the amount of work that's expected of you. [FEMALE REPORTER]: Yeah, but I've talked to enough old-timers that just completely hate the contract, just because of what it means for them when they retire. They think the pension sucks and the healthcare sucks. [CARY ZIESENIS]: Compared to -- they're comparing that to what the executives are getting.

The executives have always got chunks in any company anywhere; the higher up you are, the more money you get, that's irregardless. Now, yeah, sure, they've got plenty of money, they could offer more. But, they're upping it a little bit. [FEMALE REPORTER]: So they just moved you from third to second? Don't you want the better shift? [CARY ZIESENIS]: No I wanted third so I could keep my job. That was the only way I was going to be able to keep my job, was if I stayed on third. [FEMALE REPORTER]: So what do you think of this new development of sealing the ballots? [FEMALE REPORTER]: Did you hear that's what they're going to do? [CARY ZIESENIS]: I didn't make the meeting but I heard that's what they're going to do. [FEMALE REPORTER]: They're going to go back to the table and talk more. [CARY ZIESENIS]: Yeah, I'm sure the government's pushing for the better insurance package. [FEMALE REPORTER]: What do you think about that? [CARY ZIESENIS]: Uh, needed to be done. The word in the shop is "strike." So I'm sure the majority's voting to strike. I'm just one small voice. [FEMALE REPORTER]: Can you pronounce your last name again? [CARY ZIESENIS]: ZEEZ-NUS. [FEMALE REPORTER]: So do you think that,

your voting against the contract, by going against the union or anything like that, do you feel you're being...? [CARY ZIESENIS]: No, I'm voting for it. [FEMALE REPORTER]: I'm sorry, for it. Do you think you'll be despoiled from the union for doing that? [CARY ZIESENIS]: No, I was a shop steward. They told me to vote against it. But I've seen what's out there in the real world, and if I had the possibility of retiring out here, I might have had a different answer, and a different vote. But I don't look to retire, so. [FEMALE REPORTER]: So you're mainly voting for the contract because you're getting laid off? [CARY ZIESENIS]: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Call me stingy, but if they're offering it. Wouldn't you take it? $4700? They're giving it to you. [FEMALE REPORTER]: So do you think if you were staying on at Boeing, you would have voted differently?

[CARY ZIESENIS]: Yes, if I was more secure in my job, if they weren't offloading and giving work overseas. You know, it's a global market, global economy. I can see at this point, they're leaning towards the global. They've got more communication, more space.