NET Journal; 216; Conversation with Milovan Djilas

What are you going to do? The professor probably knows cable has to be fixed. That's Max, isn't it?

It's going to go the right way. Something happened. Oh, I'm just stuck at that. I'll have to turn it. Here's his phone, you know. Well, they're not going to use it. I'm an American organization. Yeah. It can't be big. I'm just being short -circuited. And that was in Paris. I went...no, in London. I told to... Where is that place? Anybody? Say bye. Tell how long I took you to translate it in prison. No, my dear Billington. Just the opposite. I don't believe that Marxism is right in... with his teaching

about religion. Religion is much more deeper. I understood this definitely in the prison that Marxism is thinking and teaching. But that wasn't reason why I translated parallel laws. Real reason was that Milton is great poet and not translated in our language. A second reason was similarity in my destiny with Milton's destiny. He was also revolutionary as you know. The illusion of the end of his life. He was blind. He was imprisoned. There are some similarities. Even in the opinions. Never mind that Milton is a religious man. I am not. For example, this is... His opinion about the inevitability of the evil and the good.

I changed now a little my opinion. But at the same time when I translated Milton of start to translate, I thought the same. My irony is that how long did you spend in prison translating it two and a half years? Exactly. The work in the prison two years. A little more and one year out of the prison. Three years. The great irony now is that this is the first translation in the Serbo Croatian. And it will not be published in Yugoslavia. Not because this is Milton text, but his mind. I know translation. I am in the United States. I am, as you know, on the sentence which doesn't permit me to express myself by radio television. Can't you express Milton, however? Of course, because the interest later. And

this is reason. I hope this must be changed someday. Well, it will be published in February or March here in the United States. Maybe people will smuggle copies of Milton now into Yugoslavia. No, I think it will not be forbidden in Yugoslavia. How did you mean? It isn't so. Now so, I am democratic country. I think this is some privileges against me. Against me from the regime. Well, after all, this ban on speaking and publishing is... You've already had experiences with it. Conversations with Stalin, after all, led you to be imprisoned for four and a half years. And there was nothing in conversations with Stalin that was new. All of the... But the regime then was friendly with Russians. Now he isn't. And an unfortunate time to publish was it now?

Yes. That means we must quarrel. Yugoslavia must quarrel with Russians that I can publish something. This is unique hope. No, I think Yugoslavia must go forward in the liberalization. Not so quickly, but must. Going back to this question of Stalinism, after all, you know Stalin and had three lengthy meetings with him. Your book conversations with Stalin, after all, is a description of this. How much of the personality of the man, the strength of the character of the man, has to do with the persistence of the bureaucratic structure which he left behind him. You were earlier saying that Stalinism, certainly as an ideology, is disavowed, but the structure which he created still persists in Russia. There are successors to it. How much of this is owing to Stalin as a person? What

kind of person was he? He is a person. He was the best example of anti -birocratic man. He has nothing bureaucratic, his manner, his personality. Just the opposite. But he was genius who understood the possibilities. That means he understood the erasing that of this new social group by which he may create. He creates something new in the history and in the society. Of course, he is maybe the cruelest man in history. But being cruel, he is not, I think, criminal. No, he hadn't any other ambitions or any inclination to either any weakness, any inclination to look through his life or any personal weakness,

only the power. No trappings of power. He did not dress lavishly. Only that was only for the public, the correction. But he was a simple man. A very simple man and exclusively sensitive man. Nobody can do any remark in his presence that he did not perceive it. I think even he was the man who, for example, he pronounced one lie. And several seconds after that he believed in it. He started to believe sincerely in it. When he said to somebody that he is a poet. How do you say that in American poets? Not

Hornest man. Not Hornest man. Hornest man. Well, a devious man. Devious man. He seems to really believe that he is dead. Once he made the statement, then he began to believe in it. Yes, he started to believe in it. I remember when he once said about he, I am arable. He is arable, he is a devious man. And he believed in it at that moment. But at the same time he used it. He was arable for during the war, for articles to inspire that army. But what about these dinners you described that you felt as a young idealistic communist? You felt were so corrupt. These dinners in which they had drinking games and so forth.

One senses in your description of these strong moral disapproval you had toward this install in Dasha, wherever it was. Do you remember the description of drinking parties and barriere? He was very controlled at man. He never was drunk. No one sanctioned the great. He permitted a great deal of this. He permitted it. In fact, he encouraged it with a certain amount. Yes, into the central mountain. Manipulative. In the human weaknesses. When did you first start wondering about this? Man, with whom you had these conversations. Was there any point or any human point of contact? I mean, that triggered your question. If you were the friend of him or the camera in which he believes he was very sincere, very direct man, very friendly, very kindly. You cannot imagine how

kindly man he was with. And at the same time he was very sensitive about his personal, very proud man. But when did you begin to wonder? In Yugoslavia, not in Soviet Union. No, not in Soviet Union. I was first time when I was in Soviet Union, I wasn't enthusiastic with him. Maybe first time when I wrote some articles about it and I remarked that Russians are not content with my approach to it. Because they compare the it and the studies. And they permit to anybody to... They didn't permit the comparison. It wasn't comparison, but I spoke about it as a national leader. National leader, great man, who proved himself a revolution, creative man. And in this moment, when I just discussed those articles with Russian

journalists, it was the moment one of serious suspicious in me about Stalin's role. But of course, I explained these suspicions. But when the relation with Russia slowly continued to be worse and worse between Yugoslavia, then I started to think. But never mind Stalin maybe was the first idea of Yugoslavia, from which they disillusioned. But how could the Yugoslav party, having suffered such an extensive purge itself in the 30s, and having must have heard about the great purges in the Soviet Union, have kept this ideal of Stalin so well intact? This is a special situation. Majority of us, we never was the Russia of the communist leader in Yugoslavia. And the purge of those immigrants was favorable

for us in Yugoslavia. They didn't mix in our job in Yugoslavia. We didn't know those men, those old leaders, or very, very little about them, only Tito and Carden. But it must have made you wonder about Stalin, even if you benefited from it politically. It must have made you wonder about his methods. We weren't convinced that all these trials are false. You thought that there are true. Because we were earlier educated that Stalin needed success on Lenin and that Trotsky wasn't right and so forth. For example, my sir, if I never was Trotsky's. And I've never had any inclination to... Well, it's not too different. And many, many different social situations. And many of

Yugoslav communists, there are Trotsky's in Yugoslavia. But several people and other estimated importance, even of those several people, by our propaganda. But they were communists. I went to college with who got past the purges quite readily. Well, the American ambassador at the time, Joseph Davies... But I also was touched with Sapsum. But I was the suspicion. But I was then a functionary of the party and I was obliged to convicts other. And I first convinced myself. And I convinced other. That the trials are all right. And I find some theoretical explanation about the generation of Trotsky's. Does Marxism lend itself well to devising explanations of this kind? Oh, of course. Especially Leninism is excellent. Leninism is for this variation of

Marxism. Could you describe how you handled it? You kept our class and throw the week or so ago by describing how the arguments over how to deal with the first attack, when Stalin attacked Tito, and your role as Aggit prop, head and so forth. Could you describe a bit of that? I think that was... Well, that was very... What year? 1948. 1948. And it was very, very strong. How do I... Every of us react differentially. Every of us leader who were against Stalin. For example, I react more or less morally. Others... How did Roger Pia de react? I'm not sure Pia de was emotionally moved against Stalin. Tito was politically more

or less the most responsible man in the state. Carred in the statement to maneuver and by different way, each one reacted differently. By different way, but every of us very angrily, angrily, angrily. But first answer directly to Stalin was mine. I wrote one article explaining the unjust accusation of Russia against Yugoslavia. That was the end in the fall of 1948. And I mentioned Stalin. Then this... In this question, camera Stalin, which whom we are estimating as leader of West proletariat and so forth, etc. He isn't right. But it was very the

beginning of the critic and very strong. And I visited Tito to prove this. And Tito hesitated a little, not much. And then said, all right, let's go. We must say someday this. And this was first... But he hesitated a moment. He hesitated a moment. He hesitated because he was absolutely personally convicted. Intimidly we spoke this even much more. But that was the problem how to explain to the parties, educated in the cult of the Stalin and the Soviet Russia. Not the provoked revolt inside the party. But what ultimately did Tito depend on in 1949 when you were threatened by a Russian

invasion? Did Tito really believe the United States would not allow this? No, no. Tito believed that the United States will react. That's what I mean. He believed the United States. Yes, absolutely. But he never publicly said this. But in Intimidly speaking with me and others he said, America will never permit Russians to come to the Adriatic. This was said not very many months after Yugoslavs had shot down American planes. Of course. And after you were arguing about territorial rights, it shows that geopolitics is bigger than the issue at the moment. Yes, this is true. Then ideology. And you were coming to the United Nations as Yugoslav ambassador then in 1949 about this time

as well. Who me? You know, I come at the station of United Nations in 1949. Yes, that's right. But you were surely inclined to be very critical in the United States. In this period, in some way, yes, in some not. That was the mixture of this doctrine Marxist about monopolist capitalism, more or less Leninist doctrines. And the same time I was impressed by America, not by American ideas or ideas or something like or theories. No. But I thought why this society, who is so rich, in such country, who is so developed, is in socialist. That must be something wrong with our theories. We must accommodate our theories. After living America and being in America,

I start to correct some of my opinions to adapt some of my opinions. And what was the moment when you first felt you break with Tito? I think after that start to be, after that of Stalin, when the first science of Soviet Yugoslav rapprochement was more or less clear. 53? 53. And that was the session of Central Committee. And maybe accidentally, or I don't know, by which way, at the beginning of the session was the session of Central Committee, I find myself on the left side of the Tito.

And the question in the discussion was, you were some economy or something like, any connection with my job, because I worked in agitatia, in agitatia, in agitatia, in propaganda, sheath, and Tito said to me, speak, gido, speak. Gido is my nickname in the party, in the family. Gido speak, because cameras may think that we don't agree. That was something new as a method in our work, in our relationship. And I spoke, of course, but very confusedly. Confusably, in this way, I had intention to speak as he wished

to find his thoughts. Tito's thoughts. And at the same time to explain my thoughts. And of course, that was some confusion between a referendum, between democratic liberal thoughts, and this conservative or opposite party bureaucracy. Why do you think he turned to you and tried to, in that way? Do you think he sensed that there was a difference? Or was this just a political case? That was a difference, really, in the view of development in the country. Maybe he was at the same time very deeply influenced, but those conservative leaders inside the party. And I think without reason, maybe he was afraid to network his leadership, but that was absolutely without reason. And I never

had intention to be against his leadership. But at the same time, I was resolute to express my ideas. You've got the same situation. Now, here you are going back to Yugoslavia, December 10th. You're a private citizen, and yet engaged in no political activities. And yet, as recently as what, three or four months ago, when there was the student riot at the University of Belgrade, Tito and television spoke against gilassism. You still exist very strongly in his conscience. It depends what somebody thinks, what is gilassism. In his gilassism are liberal or reformist trends. In communism, really, this is very large and very deep and very strong. But if

you think that my personal ideas is about, if you think that gilassism are my personal ideas, they are only one of these large, large spectrum of opposition, and a democratic ideas. How to say, I was built. I was maybe first who formulated those currents. And this is all. I didn't say so much new as people is thinking. Maybe I'm the first size, a successful opposition. I think this is true, I think. But I didn't say so much new as people

usually think. And yet, your situation when you go back to Yugoslavia is still unsettled because there are these bands against you. You're not allowed to publish. You're not allowed to speak for five years. Or is it three more years now? Three year terms, isn't it? Five. Five. Two are finished now. Three more. And you are finishing this. And you've never been returned your medals from the war and after the war, so that citizenship is not really clear. But my situation is now much better. I'm not now isolated in my country. I have many friends. And the country, people, is better informed about me. And I think even this might travel abroad. Never mind it was as

private. But I will reinforce my situation. This is also some form of my legalization. Well, certainly, when I was in Belgrade, with you a year and a half ago, compared with seven years ago, one feels people are not afraid to speak to you now on the street to greet you. Which they were. Now, now, now, now. I'm receiving many letters now from Belgrade. Not many several letters. They may talk that many people are interesting about me, that my interview are known, and so forth. I'm visiting my home and my son, asking about me. Have the restrictions on your freedom to some extent been a consequence? Do you think, as some have suggested, the

price that has to be paid in order to successfully resist Soviet imperial domination, there has to be an internal restriction of civil liberties. It's often said of Romania, for instance, that it's not as liberalized as Czechoslovakia, but perhaps for that reason, better able, in some respects, to resist this kind of pressure. And the Tito Yugoslavia in 48 and 49 was able to resist it because it had strong internal discipline. More reasons are more. The reasons are more internal. But in one moment, when I published a conversation with Stalin, the reasons why they arrested me was good relations with Russia, because in the book, as Yovanovich mentioned, no, any place. No official secrets were there. No, nothing. I was really innocent to the prison. But some, even in that moment, even some internal elements exist. Not permit to such known

oppositionary man to express himself. What in your view should people in America and in the West generally, especially bear in mind, looking at communist developments in the years that lie ahead, particularly in Eastern Europe? What do you think we are most ignorant of or should know more about? The essentials, I think, to understand this, that communism as an international movement, no, doesn't exist. This is essential. And consequences from this is that these are fashion at four. From the beginning of Cold War, the frontal attack, frontal struggle against communism is a very great mistake because may reinforce only those

reactionary party bureaucrats that means ideological groups in communism, especially in Soviet Union. The most important is, I think, to make concrete analyze of every national communist movement and at the same time not hate, analyze those movements without hate objectively, honestly. Would you say that anti -communism is really kind of a third, old -fashioned notion? This is Bill opposite side of this communist dogmatism. The other side of the coin. Yeah, the other side of the coin. It's a kind of dogmatism. Our welds are not so different as usually we are thinking. They are different, but they are going to... There are

many tendencies, especially in this reformist communist. This is the reason why I think that this movement is of greatest importance are going to unite... How much of this is going to be owing to the working of this stratum, as you call it, this new social stratum, which is, as you say, similar in the east and in the west. Surely music, that's important. But how about cultural phenomena? I think I'm the first one who introduced you to McLuhan a year and a half ago. I don't know whether I did you a great favor or not, but the idea that cultural phenomena, popular cultural phenomena, are becoming more and more widespread in the similar forms around the world. So this is true in... Beatles are already not only great in pop

art, and pop art is the same. There are the same phenomena in... The formal culture now are spreading from Paris and from New York, more or less, from this town. These towns are the most important. And from other also... But this is a kind of internationalization, isn't it? Yes, this is true. And of internationalism, some new internationalism without ideology. And you see that among the young? Yes, kind of internationalism. And yet you don't think that the two systems or societies are going to converge, but develop along parallel, separate minds. Not completely separate. They are going to... I said not completely parallel, but to the same... to the same aim, but we don't know which one. I think so. This is very clear that both of those systems are developing similarly. But

I'm not sure what will happen in Russia. In Russia, even... I hope that the changing would be... to democratization, but in Russia, because this is very great, very strong power, the changing might be even to some military regime. But surely great influence. You think this is a military... This is unique danger now. You mean that the party would vanish altogether and that a kind of bonapartist military... It will be then in this moment or in this period we are going... there are different tendencies, the democratization, the stronger military circuits, and these party bureaucrats who are playing between different... What are... How convinced are you, Gido, that Yugoslavia would fight if threatened by the Soviet Union? You know, any

substance in me, not any suspicion in me... You have no doubt that it will... No, no, no. Any doubts that Russia will... that Yugoslavia will fight? The whole population, not just the Army. Oh, and the Army also. Well, I mean, of course the Army, but I mean... Army and population, the real warfare too. But I am now optimistic in this question after the... this statement of Mr. Rusk, really. I think... Supporting the statement... I think now... now situation isn't dangerous. You think that statement was an important... The moment I think is enough. Important? Not only important. It is enough. This is much more than important. That means enough that that will be stopped. That this will stop the Russia. Do you think that some American statement at the time of the... perhaps private or any kind of actions or inactions of America were important in

the Czechoslovak? I don't think that Americans could do much more than they did. Because all complex of situation was such. And the Czechs had the orientation to fight. Well, there is... we don't know what... You cannot help anybody who doesn't fight. I think it's a mistake to assume that President Johnson didn't say anything privately. He may have. Well, I think the assumption is that he didn't say very much since he seemed to have been preoccupied with arranging some at gathering and did take off to the ranch the several days later. I don't know. I don't think it's quite as simple as that. We should make it clear if it doesn't. President Johnson,

perhaps a little more complex than that. But anyway, that's not the issue. The issue, I suppose, really is that you don't see any further extension of the Soviet thrust against Romania, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia. For Romania situation is even now dangerous. Because Romania is surrounded and we have an international situation is completely uncertain. But the situation of Yugoslavia now is more or less strong and clear. Is this thing that means in this sense that the West isn't... isn't indifferent towards Yugoslavia. So you feel perhaps, Gido, you're going home with more hope? Yes. Then you're more optimistic. Then I left the Yugoslavia.

Well, that's a good way to go home. What have you... If I can ask one last question, what changes have you noticed in this country in the 20 years that have separated your two visits and the vast experiences? I think that I had the connection only with those intellectuals, circles, professors and students. But usually only with this part of the nation. My impressions are very positive. In this sense that Americans, as I told to Yovanov, which are not so white and black, they are more or less wear. But large mass of intellectuals are like European intellectuals, more sophisticated, refined, refined in the taste,

in the taste, in much better informed, in detail still. This is, I think, the most positive element in America. It means that America now is connected with the world. The world is connected in America. The Americas are traveling more, are changing more, the experience with the others. And this is reason one I believe in those new generation of America. They are more complex, more... They are the better human beings. They have this control. We don't get too many compliments like that these days, so that's very interesting. Do you feel hopeful in... You want to take some shots? I was walking, see, roll over? Yes, we're going to do a little more for you. I'd like to

do a little more. Thank you. Thank you very much. We will say thank you to each other. Follow the level. Are you going to give us a signal? You give us a signal, thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. I heard him, or he didn't? He just gave out a bit. I'll give you a cue from over there, sir. Drop it a hand, you go. All right, you do it in Russian, and I'll do it in Serbian. No, obviously. Am I, please? Do you wonder why I don't care? Sure, why not? Glad, please. Follow the level, Gido.

Thank you very much. It's my seat of Russia. It's my seat of New England. Could you do that sitting down, please, once more? Do it in English. Thank you, Gido. Thank you, Vida. Thank you very much. Thank you. Cut. I need to cut away shots. Hold your position, please. You got one. You are now listening to Mr. D. U .S. thought. You've got no audio going, right? No

audio. Okay. Sporting. Let's talk about... About... In English. And about what? Anything. Anything. All right. We listen to you. We are to... They are not exactly the time. They are longer than they promised. Even an American organization isn't perfect. Sometimes. But this in Paris that I told you was... This one, if you remember. Americans. Americans, yes. He was young, blonde, ambitious. And I was... I was by... Without a smile, as if you're paying attention, and going into town almost nothing. Well, we'll have to start another kind

of dialogue. He doesn't have to say anything. Just sit there and listen. So we just listen to him, right? Yeah. They want you to talk. And you may say nothing at all, but we will be very serious. I shouldn't smile. You tell me? I must tell you... Anything. I... That's to bearing from this anecdote from Paris. I heard the television arrangement with one American company. And he said to me, 15 minutes no more. I said, 20 minutes. All. All. An arrangement, all. The fair for myself, all this. And I said to him, all right, I... I should see... I know you... What you people, and the television are. And... You are not punctual, usually. Not in time, always.

And I should see what American organization is. And really we finished in half of hour. All right, so... At the... At the... At my watch. And just was half of hour. And he said to me, did you see what is American organization? Him remarked. He was proud that he succeeded in half of hour. That was in Paris. But usually, with this television organization, does it go exactly that when they predict or... But those are good today. Very good organized. Yes. The television is tiring, tiring

phenomenon. With so many lights. And that must be concentrated, very. It's tiring to watch too. But now, happily, no, so... So much fire. Fire is extinct. And we are from this place now, but we are going home. Now we will reverse this, sir. And you will listen and Mr. M. One of the gentlemen, Professor Valentin will... Carefully, fully follow then. That's right, sir. Yes, I understand. You first, sir, and then... Speak, not tell joke, please. No. And by, please. Professor, one of the reasons that it takes so long is that you have to film about twice as much as you use. And you cut, edit,

put together the pieces, so you get a flow and a continuity. And this is the reason that it takes so long. Usually, you throw away four or five times as much film as you use. It is not an inexpensive process, very expensive. And not wasteful, just expensive, as a difference. Aren't you great? I would, yes. Absolutely. No, I wish actually that we had a chance to talk a lot more. Maybe film during class, because it would have been interesting to have seen you with the students and to see their animation and reaction, because that's been one of the real highlights of the trip, I think, for at least... It's been a very great thing for Princeton and for the community of people you've brought together. So I'm sorry we didn't catch you really live in one of those kind of performances, because there were some even better moments that would have made some even better footage, in my view.

But this was very interesting. I think it would be valuable for a lot of people who would otherwise... who would be stimulated to read your books, otherwise wouldn't... Don't be seen by a great many people. Yes. And many who... And played again and again. Exactly. And many who don't read books and that's there, because your type of book is known in the university communities you move and very widely known, actually. But nevertheless, there are vast pockets of America that really, I think, television and a kind of paper that don't follow your type of problem. The problems of intellectuals generally and even the politicians outside of the very local area. So I think this is a very good... Fine, just a good thing. Yes, don't you? You're in business. Well, I don't... I don't know that educational television, of course, is watched mostly by... same sort of people who buy books. But

it's quite true. After all, a book reaches four or five, six thousand people. A single television program can reach ten million. The degree of magnitude here is tremendous. How much retention there is? There's another question. There's a lot of show business, of course, in television. This is what I explained to you before. You mustn't come to America too often because we tire of personalities. You see, we choose them up in our mass media. That is true, yeah. You interview a man and then you say, well, that's enough of that. As if you never had another thought again. Typical. Cut. Did you ever think about this phenomenon? The tie? We're all through. Cut hall, hall, place, hall. Mr. Julius,

would you get up and walk over to the fireplace once? Are you cute? Without talking? No talking. Cut into it, sir. Just walk to the fireplace. Why are you talking? Just get up and talk to the two gentlemen, see. Go to the fireplace. Say something. Did you believe to never think about this phenomenon that I, now you provoke me this thought, that I demand from small, backward, communist countries, country, find the understanding in so developed country and foreign to me, like America. Cut, please. Would you sit down, please? He may not find it much more. This has nothing to do with cultural development. You know the fireplace once more, please. Speaking to the two gentlemen. He isn't this

phenomenon. Also one of elements of this, this, this, this, this unification, this contact between two different worlds. But of course, it must. All please. Let's do it once more, sir. Again. The same thing. So. The same thing, sir. All right, sir, get up. Isn't this, this phenomenon not, not the, not only also, but this, this unification, the contact between those different, different system. Of course, must go through the struggle, not through, through very, very difficult way. We'll set up for the coming through the door, shot. Are we going to use audio on it? Is there going to be audio?

No. This relaxes all these things. What now? These are these finishes. Oh, it's coming in the door. One more thing we have to do. Let me through the doors. No, that's not through the door. What we're going to do, right? You just have to pick up shot after you finish this. This way? Oh, the great, oh yes, I see. That's right. You didn't have that, did you? No. And this is without audio? Without audio. Without audio. With audio. Oh, I'm sorry. Just the greeting. With audio. With audio. Can they keep their microphone down? Yes. What are we supposed to do? Yeah, I'm supposed to get up out of my chin. You're supposed to be seated here. We did a three times thing. We only got to the door. Now we've got to complete the task. How are we going to make a phone on it? How would you like to do this in point of fact? You were, you were struggling a little bit. And you were in good spirits. Yes.

I'm going to take your jacket. You want us, you're going to take a shot of us together first? No, no, no, no. Just a good spirits and walk right in the front of it tomorrow. And standby. Yeah. Quiet please. On cue start. Don't forget you were chocolate when you came in. No, you were being creative. standby. Oh, how are you living? Nice. Hello, Professor Billings. Nice to see you. All right. All right. Well, nice fire. Once more please, from the top. No, no, no, no, no. That's all it's on the set, please. Are we supposed to really talk? Exactly right, man. Just that way. Oh yeah, you accept the greeting.

The table's on a floor. Can we get rid of them? Can we dress them up? Max. I don't believe Max has ever been there. It's Max smelling. He's was knocked out in the first round. I've never really believed in Max. Have you believed in Max? No, I think it's, I think it's a miss. Hi. Okay. Very good. Stand by please. Quiet. Check out him. I'm cute. All right. I'm going to put my head on. Thank you. Why not, buddy? It's Max. Hello. Nice to meet you. Oh, I know this. Hello, Professor Billings. Oh yeah. All right. Nice to see you. Hello? Where they are? Relax. Who's that?

Is that the only me? Kind of по -pleas. Let's just look at my table. Uh, would you just, you two gentlemen just look toward the fireplace please. Just look, don't move the body. Mm -hmm. As if Mr. Jealous was talking at the metal. Oh. Oh. You better lock up. That's it. Well, thank you very much, gentlemen. It was a very time. Till Max, uh, we

appreciate it, too. Yeah. Thank you very much, Max. My theory is it was Max. It was Max, Melanie. Thank you so much. You won't believe it. This was one of my recent words. Thanks. Well, uh. Thank you. Thank you, thank you. Hey. Don't forget to be sure to make me that. That's definitely going to be. I've been to solid. That was just not the other time. I don't know what that was. It was fighting all the way here. That's all right about it. You should speed, you know. That's one of the better pieces. Okay. But it was one of the very few. Yeah. No. Really? Real seconds. Too bad we can't. Yeah. All right. Just name it. Write it for each other.

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