Conversations with Eric Hoffer; 10; The Mysterious Occident

james a date the magazine national review and describe their coffers a kind of modern utopia inheritor of a tradition that goes back to johnson mom chain addison and other students of human mentors who as satirists attack human operations because they have an idea of manners worth defending overseas man from the inside out he sees america from the bottom up and he likes what he sees like johnson he is self educated almost totally un school widely read an independent thinker despite the success of his three books the true believer the packed a state of mind and the ordeal change he's never stopped working as a laborer to become a writer this week michael the week for the past twenty years were spent on the seven sisko waterfront unloading

unloading cargo ships mr fur in our conversations there seems to be a thing that constantly of mergers and that is your interest in the accident as distinguished from the orient and the fact that you seem to feel that the oxygen says is with a mysterious part of the world not the not the organisms or conflict recently you know i don't think my problems that in my interest the interest for me you know i get that fourth or a problem a very big in my eyes and i really had had no career the city of other options as such and if i suppose if you go to college and you have a course on western civilization vi become very interesting western civilization of origin but my interest your sense of vision for the party and around the park with your tv in the nineteen fifties i became interested in the awakening beckworth

clippers stay in africa and if you think you know what you're supposed to do it you see i asked myself this is cinematic isn't even many contrasts was of the russians and maybe they've pushes other like questions at the roles and i said to myself these countries want to do more than i don't know what does modernization the modernization means as you move the few roads few bill did a few factories a few schools a few hospitals not all these art matter of fact practical so where things and why do they have to be such a clamor why do they have to have near the crew was innocent cardinals only god knows what you know jumping all over the place why do you have to make up that they are chosen people that they like that they have to stop and the warriors and god knows what you know in order to do things which we in this country i consider it naturally not easy things on this

but just this question in the best you can look into why i was you saw in trying to find solutions and i tried to leave it as an answer or of the summers of the window ability to form every at every is a all kinds of approaches but i felt almost from the beginning to see that my mind my interest was being drawn away from these that were codified and to dislike was always returning back to the west bank the west i said to myself if you see to what police pathogens these awakening conference have to resort in order to do things which we could see the natural and the fact that he really feeding you that that the book that i had the the modern boxing with its tsarnaev is a readiness to work with apes spaulding is all of us with its tremendous confusion you know

all in the shade thieves and responsibility is something new and unprecedented in other words everything that has been so familiar to me the various become rampant as suddenly become a middle seat and i said it was a goal this they said this or your days in that it did not after all spend the nation's smallest this is the most natural thing in the world when he's explaining he's our batteries and our hustling how is that at a certain point you know during the middle ages and even sometimes think that the auction was the west will be for the auction house just the way we are and did i know what it would actually that story you about clement saw you she's a very perceptive recently his books are not very interesting but that then couldn't open his mouth without saying something memorable and i had a collection of these gas small talk and it's more interesting mark solving memo instructing old shows or

books of sociology of impulse buys his theories of what the story was about the muscle that the prowl around the world and in the healing nineteen twenties anything can get high and the advice are already leaving an ad copy for godot is at the picayune receiving huge air office buildings that there'd be there and when nugent paid famous actor that has just built and the storyboard that the muscles to sen looked at both a little about five minutes without saying we're finding babyish officer says what are you thinking about monsieur le premier and colossal said i was thinking watson wins this one you see in his mind that was this is a gift that's it that's what they used these small stagnation there would cost from this activity that from members of that it of course have to embrace innovations today you can get enthusiastic and making dessert

or know that there are even build their prime a hollow build something sort of work but if you consider mr david tremendous effort to tremendous energy that maintenance we especially here in san francisco was in the bridge being re imagine what a tremendous effort that goes into the field and rich and keeping the ritual in in that era being the alvin and this is it getting interested you know in our readiness to work in our practical sense in an hour or the limits and and i actually asked myself what is it that keeps going on and what to me first i mean after all the groping as a lot of war i could see that i were a powerhouse in the city is that all common was indicative that individual who stands on his girl who has to make his

conversations and it has to and has a responsibility for the consequences you know the spitting off often individually form a contact group is as exposing people speaking for the individual he's a big tree and bess and he tries to do something you know about regaining best for our actions is his due and he's been effective that being divvied you always used at that picture the unbalanced think and especially in the nba as the images of course before you having images that say and in increases you have independent agents but they're at you have you sleep civilization it only very few women to get thirty thousand visitors at the busy and two hundred thousand slaves that's aimed at older want these individuals or will they wear more less on their own they derive

their sense of usefulness and worth it becoming leaders i realized that balance but when you have in the region isn't that nice the way we have it they see what you have is an explosion of energy because they'd be the most accessible way by which and then the average common man i think the sense of my work and it's that he's almost magically why isn't the autonomous individuals characteristic of the artist is at a wedding the thumb up years of the season's theater not i haven't sold them but let me let me spend along and secrecy and why i do what i feel i mean what were what i can see you know to what's think that at the end of the middle ages you had hit a breaking up you know off they call back call or a pattern

in the church week and that the reasons why many of you had like they see in the fourteenth century and that is a reduction in the population there and then who had the corruption of the papacy the men in the oxnard as nowhere else see their way to power he shaking each other end and typical back each other that was the church and the second up are everywhere cops even russia now in china the sicker and the second global power because i think that the congress party is a religious body are identical policies one c and i'm convinced that the quays begin to be true comes out on his own where they are opposite hours checking each other and this is the situation for free but recently when you consider the individual emerging

let's say during the renaissance this what a terrible thing he was making the regional fight if falling on his own resources to leave what i try to explain to myself just what role let's see the christianity play in the americas and the shaping of the water oxygen and the answer was what i said your many have tried is to the right or what kind of his unusual for good information about lacks way there there he knew he wanted to show that our has a tendency toward console and he's due to return to the sort of what comedians make sense of all it's not that it's it's it's that that region known as you know that has now to safety so you'll buy his efforts that weakening of conservative says that the fact that they more the box that and nerds you know when we went euro began to

lose faith in and say it's not going to come when we can preserve it but with the weakening of the end this is much more important than any doctor and so any candidate so any it out in the woods and you're a religious attitudes you see that the survey as faith assets back to have healthy to have to leave now that that's c h went when you cast off when you when you wear news and education to every call you swallow it do they the energy which is that which has been making which is anything that they'd be austin is exactly the religious the religious entity which has been but the difference was that they were new look at the scene immediately they saw the

accident nbc and crowded by explorers by artists by year reformers by inventors and by promoters this week you see these all of these actually people here they are traveling from his death distances shopping arriving and is suffering and and you have a feeling that these people were actually engaged in the same patient after they were after the same thing i see and what was the same thing as it is to find a substitute for the lost haven't you keep you hear the last seventeen years it was debate for over a thousand years see western knew monday was pretty aka buying weed epperson of salvation but can you imagine that such people with such a civilization a switch or what at all when it will to the pursuit of the material that's nuts it up

for what it may pit bulls explores the thing that i maybe even out the subject everyone of the sci fi to shore do you see what's actually defined as sex you may have an aunt that you could substitute for the last seventy five guys it's fun asked if when you read about global scale hear you think what it was was looking for was for foreigners and buyers for for years old jesse was one of all those things than it was really it was the apartheid when i'm also the orinoco the bike your local utility what they thought us sure that this was the reader the whole lot of the foreigners the issue for eight see an iraq a letter from spain the painting all the falcons and the science and the mathematical calculations would indicate that he's the defiant interviews with the actors and you wear a body and forth their lives it's you'll have an in built in marble in gold it's the one and vote the reformers were trying

to reform the re castles it may have to ship and the inventors and the practical for what listing we're trying to change the world and we're so they the better they really just they really just energy you know is that has been finalized into action is that things really that that it meets us and i think the difference between us and the end today or disability ease this fact fear that we've had they've got to hope we would believe passionately four thousand years there and then it has its big three say now is that this what i bet that they're that says this was the first

question that that the vastness of you know why we are so ready to work you come down in our goal is to be on a sunday all eyes of years ago i just think what stanley with the key detail about our whole of something you would see people would work six days people have enough to eat enough to live on a fine apart and how this defined bank accounts say and he had that coming down some work to send the son of greek immigrants who speak these people are throwing away their money as fast as the guy stop in fact you could see right away they knew that they would check with that job if he's a certificate or so and the same thing with our with all of this is we build finding workday as self realization but which will finally any sophistication and i'm telling you now connects with what we were talking about what our permission and last if you deprive us of the means by which

we save our soul you know this is actually what it said about what what what i'm going to end of course there's another way of saying you sorted by realizing that this is a hard hat think we saw a practical sense you know as it is it is an intimate interview for granted everybody's practical it's resisting the world to be practically <unk> make use of everything within which you operate france you were fewer projects is all up anybody who reads a historic and we'll see you know that the actor says he's a rarity an edge of a railroad the sense that they you know that there was a man is that peeled off all through some like that become the law what's the end of the arm the only the key in or between four thousand thousand bc when the invented the wheel and the same land the head and on a single auction the irrigation fermentation but the movie script calendar and an end god knows what is a spectacle sounds

related to the autonomous individuals assess right i hadn't had many facts and warned that sea but from it's here that you can see that and that's about the need for some reason there has been a tremendous strife going on which shattered communities and less as the villages and communities and left the corporate flooded and would begin marines for a little while you or for short that it's happening in greece than a billion innovation you the individual indian free himself he was just abandoned gaza community is community and the cities which were form where to begin with places of refuge and people from different tribes and different communities all congregated that the better for a while they had a chance you know to express themselves and do what what what that the top were right but of course once civilization was astonished was the police and the kings couple of things there they heard that being you back into the commune crawl and you had and you

have a good thing to you being swallowed up in in the cupboard in the corporate structure up for life after the newly vacated date to almost forty five centuries before the practices which begins its second appearance with us with the mother can be that see the newly dhs fires as esme nicholson even in europe last it out of that that the end of a consent is actually the best of a civilization and as because where these really big craft little silly but i tried you like try to so fine if the explanations you know what these viscosity of the spectacle sense and i connected to it with the presence of absence not of the autonomous region and then i come up against that to get something you know the second promise which never

leave you will be i will only told my mouth i'll talk about the same leading subject to any entity ask myself well you have individuals in greece there were three and then and recently created a unique civilization a quite big hit in the creeks build machines wiping of very advanced science this insight it can be a boon it can eat at the consumer they just active as ours and then he'd occurred to me that one of the chief reason it's you know the factory all civilization until home or their impacts have and thick shied away from the powerful cartoon show that yes it is because they were dominated it impression that he's home very few years beginning there is an apartment between the intellectual and and practical sense it was baked into the invention of writing which with

books a minute this is actually didn't begin writing was invented for a very practical purpose peter falk it was invented in a warehouse it wasn't invented in housing for it was invented pete rock or further the income and out cool off the warehouses in the booth and in victorian and and the warehouse full and the sky was as much a craftsman as that we've heard the cop and thirty breweries all but i like about being a baby that scratchy it as a craftsman see was different from polish what you hold on a craftsman produce something pretty liberal we're here the cop and there's tables and policy at that describe or do something but to clinch a peculiar peculiar thing is

and you know the words describe from the very beginning the buck have that sense of usefulness to the old order press the head and from the very beginning to describe was associated with light on the cave painting on the head and break down the rankings in egypt and in with long pointed out it's the uc describe with its ios and inserted rick to that that there or with his pen in the pocket was standing alongside the overseer with his what would have been facing the global people be the ones were not it's that's a reason that any society that straight and start with a bit of intellectual city will not allow to the practical application to be a reggae tune of a measuring

stick form with c they were you know the hostile to set the conventions and any ingenuity that will come out usually that might have gone into practical fields that will divert into the head the imposing of the moment is a playful gaps or and a fantastic but they will not allow it to what the practical fields see it even in russia now russia is nominated by the intelligence provided by a technical and they spent the day dr in their intelligence and even there though they are supposedly you occupied with tremendous practical their accomplishments like being a building dams in the factories a source of forty you be surprised how little off that actually drew tendency that he's there i was surprise when i read the science proves the report that there is very little during that you're the boss daily in russia the twin

research and actually work seat in industry and of course looking at people to get back in bed set up the bass they can only go into a found it and i'm a cultural station comparable to what we had was in romania and there you found it professor self consciously working in a field and reports on the very people you hasn't it it was obvious what to say that america has not been an intellectual that's a trifecta a sudden i've grown old was that they not this is the whole cities or something this is something that's hard to tell especially the foreigners you know it as they think that we have a system of state and when i come around the fact that in that that this is a massive invasion they look at you like that the invisible civilization or how could you have a massive immigration but dc is actually the first time in history that isis

had left to live is going to be giving us a chance to do something they said it's not pass an end we the masses have been made as you know from the beginning of time but we really don't know anything about their particular views he had were talking in the end of the column ask member stations you know about the law the masses could do in the culture of view of the masses right books of the masses think because it's also for c i have my views on this subject because i think they can be can they had to get to get the chance to see is this invasion in the in florence you know at the time of the renaissance you know you read that no one will actually stick around people and in an event citizens use allows us with a song's message and a message and it was a bit of a small city and see what would it with a b

whether you could do it on one on alaska it is a question that after all at the city as a city even what it would be the quintet on and on on an action at the age that many cities small society and in the news as a newborn form you know from northern california and southern oregon there i i would have small subjects where were people who put together a i you know i haven't it did a grandson he's eight years old and big he's right not interesting was passionately interested in as i look at it and his mind is absolutely role not thousands of the reasons the end and what i said was a he's with the kids who you should be whether you should go to the deficiencies in the essay as office with some laboratory see an ad where can i get that just in a small settlement theres a given because he didn't write everything he didn't

want this and and this is something to that we'd have to open fire or images to find out how to realize i want a chance to it's not going to be easy and we have to have development but you've spoken of the new society and of course this is a new way the latest diplomacy with adele yeah i think the next time i'll ask you about there's no way you can have a jewelry probably enormous debate the intellectual as dreamy a royally i i i simply have not yet seen but i think that there's a foreign journalist intellectuals by joseph barrera pay give us in a conversation between eric kupper and james day general manager of kqed san francisco

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