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Are you a member of the Communist Party? Or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party? Sir, I should go to the doctor's house. I don't know. Colonel, where is the old truth? Nothing but the truth, so I'll be gone. I do. Thank you. I'm sorry, sir. I'm sorry, sir. It's a crime to be asked for. I'm sorry, sir. I'm sorry, sir. In spite of the wildly speculative info, the false stories about arms for hostages and alleged ransom payments, we did not repeat, did not trade weapons or anything else for hostages. Nor will we. Ladies and gentlemen, let us show our affection, appreciation, and admiration for Nancy Reagan. I've got $890. $100. $110. $110. $100. Right here, framed. We're selling the sign. Robbie Kanell, rare poster, for

$100. Last, $110. Now, $120. Robbie Kanell, he calls his work, urban beautification. Others call it a mutant media fungus. In any case, there is guerrilla art fair in our streets. The messages are up against the wall, and Robbie Kanell is leading the way. Jim Moray has the story of this pop artist. Now we're going to do a couple of things here. First thing we're going to do is we're over the shoulder, where you just sit where you are. And Robbie, you want me to maybe just go forward ready the new go back up, that work for you? I love paint. I love to paint. I love to push the stuff around. And I try to make this paint to flesh equivalence. And I like people to see the scale that the paintings are on. These things will never drive, but we're trying, you know. And he's all wet,

so. Yeah. So what else takes 100 years to drive? Yeah, approximately. Give or take 50. And. Do we have different color favorites to this new product? Yeah, let's see a little more. A little more. Yeah. This has even cleaner, right? I was really surprised to see all the texture. A lot of your work. I really asked to it. Yeah. Yeah, this is a really thin sheet. I know it. He's up on the top unit, so he's got to hit six units before he... Talking this side, you've got to get that out of the side. And then with no lips was the first poster. You know, again, it's from four individual paintings just like this is from three. And I put them together in one poster and put one word under each. Now, why I couldn't think of something like that for this. I don't know. But. Oh,

we're doing this whole thing again. I'm just going to say this many people have no lips. But we don't need to say it again. But this is just for... You tell me with the phone. So this is your third. So is men with no lips your first? Yeah, that's the first. I'm going to do that again is was. So this was your first. No, no, no, no. No, so this was your third. So is men with no lips your first? Yeah, men with no lips was the first. I never really think that my work has any political efficacy whatsoever. I think it's a total loss actually. You know, I put it out there and hopefully it might stimulate a little bit of thought or get people to talk a little bit about who is that, you know, ugly old white guy with a hole in his head? What's he doing in our neighborhood, you know? I never did think and I still don't think

my work makes a damn bit of difference in terms of the results of national or local politics or anything. It's just more infotainment than anything else if I'm lucky. They have become quite valuable. One of the reasons is because the images have been all around the country and lots of people have seen them. And, you know, in some way, these are some of the most famous paintings of contemporary American artists because I make you see them whether you want to or not. Maybe here, see, speak, we go right here. Right.

Yeah. Break up double -speed and that becomes, you know, the focus, the major wall. Or put them together. And hold it up. Put something next. Let's put them together. Let's move upon this guy over. Robbie is going to attain mythic proportions as an artist. I was thinking that he's the quintessential American figure. He's part Tom Sawyer the way he gets people to grab their brushes and a bucket of blue. And, you know, come on gang, let's go out there and paint the fences or in this case, slap posters up all over town. And then we're off to going to Caroline. In as

much as this is opening night, I am hopeful that he'll be recognized as a legitimate and significant painter. But, no, he has not been recognized as such because the painting hasn't been shown. Let's try seven. Let's put this here. It's actually rare that an artist that's his age would, it would be this long before he would have his first one person show. And as a curator, I think that's a major oversight. And I'm very proud to be the first person to say, okay, this guy needs to be looked at. He's a serious painter. He's a good painter. And unlike a lot of people of his generation who are artists, he has something very compelling and important to say. In terms of your relationships with big men and blue uniforms with shiny objects all over their bodies, they're always very interested in what we're doing. And as long as you're polite and listen to them, the kind of conversation you're going to have with them

is they talk and you listen. Bring a post over here, Rob. Yeah. It's that artist he does all these things. I don't know his name. Beats me. I don't know. But now at least three colleges are going to happen. Wow, it's an honor. Thanks. Public Works sent me a certified letter requesting my company at an administrative hearing about my posters being on public property. And so, of course, I went. And we had a little chat and they

basically asked me to cease and desist and to take down all the posters that I had put up and I politely said no. And they asked me to sign a statement. So I asked them for a copy of the statement. I took it to my lawyer and we went over it and she quickly realized that they're asking me to stay off private property was outside of their jurisdiction and so that we asked them to reword it to exclude that part of it and they did and they told me that if I didn't sign that they could recommend prosecution by the city it turns off. I politely declined to sign it and they never did prosecute me. It's not really part of my program to go around and break the law that's not what this is all about. It's really about distribution.

Well, this came up in the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing and it was part of probably an hour and a half of testimony before that committee and my reaction at that time was that casual drug users are at the core of the problem in the country. I've been for a long period of time and so I wanted to express that as strong a term as I possibly could because I did not think they were giving it the kind of attention that they ought to and so I simply said or casual drug users ought to be taken out and shot that's a way that's hyperbole that's the way you get your point across. Because you cannot help in as chief of

police if you're reasonably outspoken to make a few enemies here and there and I've done that and so this is the time for those who who have said we'd like to get him out of there. This is the time for them to close in. Some who would like to see change some for a variety of reasons. There are some some of those who always believe that I was going to go into politics and I was a threat in that arena. Those who would like to see the complexion of the department change in a variety of ways and so you build an animosity there. I like it. It's not something I want to put in my living room but it's imaginative. It's very imaginative. I like it. Do you know that they're actually on camera now?

So I just want to tell you that anyway, so we're here this is your big opening and tell us what led up to it. Well I can tell you that this is kind of like my version of infotainment. So it's just to get to provoke people a little bit get them thinking and also entertain them on their way to work in the morning or when they come in the gallery. I've never even seen all the paintings together in one place. How do you feel? I'm happy to see them. I mean it's educational when people talk about art, they talk about art work and when they talk about language they talk about word play. So I try to put them together to get a little more play into my work and entertain people a little more about very serious and sometimes grim subjects. I'm pleased to be in the mainstream. I never felt alienated from the mainstream. I do take it all over the country in poster form and I've been to New York Washington DC, Houston, New Orleans,

Chicago, the Bay Area. And since then he might be good. I think Charlotte and North Carolina might be interesting to take this down there and see how it plays. I am a professional painter and painting is very important to me. It's the way I generate my torque. I can't get these effects in anything but paint. It's the only thing I know how to do. So I like people to be able to see them. No, I don't need any A funding. I do, I put up my stuff with my own money. The focus of my work is really on abuses of power by people who have power. Now I've mainly focused on political power but there are all kinds of power, media power for instance. One, two, three, four. Because it skirts so close to being a mirror image of the

problems that I'm decrying, you know. It's almost like one of the classic cases of anti -pornography propaganda. Is that as soon as you use pornography in your critique you become part of the problem. I'm concerned that I've protected in a certain way by the First Amendment, at least by the spirit of the First Amendment, when I put up posters on the streets. But if this poster is construed as inciting other people to violate this person's First Amendment rights or civil rights in any way, then my protections are abrogated and our protections are abrogated. Where is Aliso? Also

because we're going out into Daryl's department streets in the middle of the night where they rule. When the poster about him, I think it's a little more dangerous than us just going out, high -highing Dan Quail, or Jesse Helms, or George Bush himself. What I'd like to do with, I'll show you what we're doing, with this, is go infiltrate City Hall, and the Civic Center, Parker Center, around. I have a little map for you actually, for each of you, and a phone number on the back of a bail bondsman, I know very well. Actually, actually it is the phone number of a lawyer. So, my lawyer, a great lawyer. Man, Los Angeles, right? So, right here. Parker Center, here we go. Good.

Maybe he just thinks with his mouth and he doesn't do that very well. But he just actually did say casual drug users ought to be taken out and shot. So, we've kind of updated it considering what's been happening while we've been working on it. He must have been taken out and beaten and, you know, within an inch of their lives or something, because that's kind of what the guys did to Rodney King. So, we've graffitied it and updated it a little bit. I think it's a little more relevant now. I feel a lot better about the whole thing. And Pat does, too, right? Pat's been working on this a long time. I've been working on it with him. And the situation has been escalating as we've been fiddling with this poster. So, it's pretty hot right now. And, you know, I think it's the biggest poster we've done. It's probably the toughest poster we've done. And it's one of the toughest problems we've had. So, holding these guys accountable somehow within the system is very important to our safety and also very important to the safety of democracy. So, I want you to be very careful

and I want you to just go put up your posters and get out of the neighborhood. Go to your neighborhood and do the same thing in yours. And please, when you're done with this and you're home nice and safely, throw it away. Well, a daring art campaign was launched earlier this week against Los Angeles Police Chief Darrell Gates. Henry Shipper was there for the Midnight Run. Okay, tap for your arm. Okay. Cool. Welcome to Patty's neighborhood. Hey, how's your feet? It's time to save up. Yeah. Good, good, good. It's time to save up. Yeah. Good, good, good. It's time to save up. Okay, get Patty.

Is that the brush handy? Yeah. It's really clean. Okay. Okay. Well, I frankly, I think it's, uh, it's a vision. I just play on words and art. Anyone with any common sense today who spends any time reading what's happening in our world recognizes that when you give people ideas like this, quite likely there's some person with an aberrant behavior

that is, like, will take you up on it. And, uh, so, to paint a, uh, put my picture and paint a target on it and then talk about shooting is something that's far too suggestive and, uh, and so I think it's, uh, I think it's the worst kind of art, the worst kind of, uh, suggestive art. I've got enough, and have had enough problems with people threatening my life now and so I know there's a lot of nuts out there. And, uh, to give them this message, I think, is highly inappropriate. Sure, my civil rights are violated, but as chief of police, you don't get involved in the civil suits of that kind. Every time I go to San Francisco, first of all, San Francisco just gives me a stomach ache. You know, I lived there for so long and, uh, you know, as a hippie there from the time I was just turning 18 and I

landed right in the hate ashbury just about. And every place I go in San Francisco, something happened to me, you know, I broke up with this girlfriend, had a fight with this person, you know, beat somebody in a drug deal over there or, you know, had a wonderful experience over here and it's just haunted for me. I didn't post her San Francisco for years because I just didn't want to deal with the ghosts. But I know sometime around 1970, 1971, I had come back from Canada, I had no job, no nothing, and I went and got a job as a cab driver with yellow, working the graveyard shift. I think we came on at 7 .30 in the evening and drove till 4 .30 in the morning. It's very, it was very wild at that time. I had long hair, you know, down in my shoulders flies buzzing around my head. I went through, you know, a couple of packs of cigarettes a night roaring around, sweat bursting out of my veins and pouring out of my ears and just

tearing around San Francisco. There's a bunch of us tearing around San Francisco like maniacs, you know, killer bees and bananas or something, you know, it was just unbelievable, unreal. And what we were doing at that time was, you know, aside from, you know, free love and, and drugs and rock and roll was staying out of the draft and staying out of Vietnam which is a pretty good idea, I think. I figure I wasted a lot of time there. I'm very thrilled that I lived through that, actually, and, you know, I got to meet lots and lots of very strange people including myself. And two, just to deflect, like, now I've got such a signature style that when people look at a new poster before they even, or at the same time, they're saying, oh, that's about Darrell Gates. They say, oh, that's another one of the poster guys things. So they

don't just look at the image and the subject directly. You know, it's mediated by their consciousness of me, you know. So just give them a moment there, maybe we get a little moment of opportunity when they just think about him and the image and don't think, oh, that's Robby's stuff, you know. We're going to, we'll sell these to, you know, finance the project. That's the way we do it. It's been a month now since the resident trying out his new video camera capture the beating of Rodney King. The incident has received national condemnation. The officer has charged in the case a king who was stopped on an alleged traffic violation and resisted arrest.

So as it is returning to the region west for the week before his last trip will my ambition arouse in his race? Yeah, there was just the artificialism going to take stock. I don't think it was coding the way this was. I took him to the Rose and the woman at the Rose is giving me all this trouble about how much they cost and self -worth and so on. Three hours later she called me and said, okay, we're all out. Is she really? And I still come back to this because he's a maybe an artist but he's not thinking and he's not up to date on current events. As soon as I finish this I'm going to go in and talk to

48 hours and one of the things we're going to talk about is the whole phenomena of stalking of people who for one reason or other have a fixation on an individual and stalk that person and often it ends in some kind of violent act that movie stars that are shot. People in public life who are killed. And this is the kind of thing that creates that. And so he's not thinking. And my view is what he did it for was the shock value. That's exactly what he did it for to get attention. He realized that this was an opportunity to trade on some of the attention that was being given to this whole incident, national publicity. Well that's what he was doing. That's the only thing he was doing. Probably the one I've ever heard of him in a very small circle. I think we should stay away from his head.

Getting gruesome. Well, we have enough over two more four rounds. We've got 14 shots left. Herbert Marcusa was at UCSD teaching graduate classes there in philosophy. And he and my father became friends. And through that relationship I became friends with Marcusa's graduate students who became my buddies for life. So when I would come down from psychedelic San Francisco, I would run around with these guys who were just brilliant Marxist philosophy students. When they were graduating they got offered teaching jobs at the University of Saskatchewan. They were kind of in a package deal. Then they accepted it. And they said, you know, we're going to bring our pal along. They said, Robby, you want to go. Four or five of us are going to go up. And you want to go. We were all getting out of school. And we were all vulnerable to the draft.

For whatever reasons we went up to Regina Saskatchewan, you can imagine this invasion. It was a serious situation. And you've got to remember 1968, 1969, all over the western world. Students and especially, you know, kids at universities were kind of revolting in both senses of the word. Burmese is a brand name, kind of like Band -Aid. And if the company does really well, the actual generic product. And if you see one of these things. You know, it was a good position to be in across the border just in case. And also it was an adventure for us. Make a sentence for me. I'm not going to ask you to write a novella. I'm not going to ask you to write a paragraph. So it was kind of like, here they come, you know, Marcus' graduate students, this, this already type. And there really wasn't a job for me. We had to kind of make up one. So I found myself, you know, teaching some

night class, sociology 101 or something, and some art class. Got any ideas? Tell me what you're thinking. You know what? I mean, Rebecca, what would you do something about? I don't have any idea right now. I think it's just say anything. Okay, that's good. I like that one. You know, when I got my draft notice to come to my pre -induction physical, my draft board was in Plentywood, Montana. And so I went with my friends, you know, drove me down and we walked into this town and we're holed up in a hotel with all the other draftees, all of them. And I was 24. These kids were 18, 17. No, 18, I guess they were 18, 19, something like that. And they were scared to death. So we spent the whole night with our doors up, sitting on our beds. We had these two double beds in the room. Just fielding these kids who wanted to come in and talk to us about their lives and about how scared they were and what

was going to happen. We just ended up counseling them for the rest of the night. How many clowns did I have at home? When I finally went into my physical and of course I refused to sign the loyalty oath and like I shunted off, you know, into a room with a guy who said, What are you crazy? I think you're crazy. We're going to send you to our Army psychiatrist. I said, okay. So it turns out the Army psychiatrist was in Mizzula, Montana and I had to go there and wait a week to get an appointment with the guy because I guess a lot of people were. When I finally got in there and talked to the guys, first intelligent person I had met in this whole chain of events. He said to me, so you take a lot of drugs? I said, well, I took some drugs. I said, what did you take? And it's psychedelic drugs. I said, yeah, I took some. He said, well, what have you taken? So I told him, he said, oh, psilocybin. You took psilocybin? I said, yeah, he said, spell it. So I spelled it for him. And he looked it up in the book and he said, okay, now describe what it was like. I described it to him and he... I don't know what

he was doing, but he... And we just worked out a deal. He said, okay, fine. I'll write you a one -way. It's a psychologically unfit. He said, you're probably a recovering drug addict anyway, right? And I said, right. He said, good, good, okay. Don't worry about it, you know. It would just be a mess. For you and the army, if you were in the army, we don't really want you anyway, so. I was doing what I had to do, sure. I mean, I wasn't like... If I didn't have to, what I was trying to do was avoid having to cut and run, you know, and cut off my US citizenship. I would go as far as I could go with the process and see if I could work out or work some way out of it that if it didn't, you know, I could figure out my way back. So that was the idea anyway. I'm here on the City of Los Angeles. Tom Bradley. Good day

here. I hope that chief gates, upon further reflection, will also follow the commission's recommendations. According to the Christopher Commission, chief gates should now commence the transition to a new chief of police. There you go. What's left of them? Look at that sideways. Well, I always said we could have made our first two -headed monster with this poster. We had really been smart. It Bradley and Gates on it, both cops, both about the same generation, same amount of smarts. He's in Gates Bradley's evil twin. Isn't it kind of a black and white issue? Oh, it's so small, you can

hardly read it. Recall, Tom Bradley. Oh, and that's a nice pun with his telephone number. Or it could be just remembered, Tom Bradley. Majority of the people don't even notice when they're driving the trees or the mountains, so they're not going to notice a poster on a side of a wooden wall, except for the people that are out there looking. And those people that usually look at the trees and the mountains and the sky and the moon in the daytime, those are the people usually the 1 % that knows what's going on and that it will appreciate the poster in the first place. So that's the definite. I don't think that the majority of the people realize what the posters are really about. But it is the people, the 1 % that does understand is who it's for, really, because it gives them hope that there are other people out there that are thinking the way they are thinking. Because if you really get down to it, there's not very many people out there.

And that's what it is. That's what it's for, really. This is as good an example as I can see of the Trashing of LA, Robbie Cannell's style. He's taking full advantage of the fact that he's getting a free ride from the city of Los Angeles and the Department of Public Works and as much as they're not taking his stuff down. This was one of the first posters he put up, which is, I think he started putting these up back in March or April. You can see it's been defaced as well. Somebody's come all along and made their own political comment on here. Not only was this poster put up, but there were three more that were put up along the front of this construction barrier. The developer was able to paint over those but hasn't gotten around to painting over this. With that, you've got graffiti that starts to collect over here. To me, I think it's stating something like it's art. It's artistic like it looks good, I think, on different places. Other people may say that it's polluting the city with paper, site pollution. I don't know, a site

pollution. You could say it's just mehandelism. I think it's okay. If the city wanted to do anything about all the non -sanction signage that's up, they know how to do it. As you can see, as I put this on, you don't want to get too close. You can see it actually melts this paint. You don't even want to get the mist on you, really. This is tough stuff. See how easily this stuff comes off. You can see it's already worked its way through the initial layer. In fact, it's working its way through the paint. I'm a trash can as well. It all comes off. People get frustrated. They say, all, it'll be back again and again and again and again. So what? You know, death in taxes. Those are inevitable as well. Everybody accepts those. Why should they accept the fact that people are going to...

First of all, thank you all for those condoms. I appreciate them, and hopefully this is perhaps the end of an era of the one -cheap, but we'll go forward with a very strong chief in the future. The difference between doing a satirical poster like this about a local official as opposed to a national figure, you know. It seems like it's taken a little more seriously, the more local you get, which is interesting. So that is moving forward. We're changing our training significantly already.

We're looking at that. We're looking at it before. We're looking at it now. So you have to be able to penetrate it and the glue underneath it. It will not come off. It'll take a little bit of the ink off, and it'll maybe weaken the paper somewhere. But I have to come in later with a putty knife or with some sort of a scraper and try to remove this. But since it's on wood, the glue penetrates the wood that much better than it does steel. And so this is going to stay up here. There's only two ways of removing this at this point. And that's either in fact to go in and remove it with some sort of a scraper or to paint right over it. He's in fact contributing to damaging the environment. That's really what he's doing. This stuff is, they call it so safe, but I gotta guarantee you, I don't think it's very safe at all. There's no reason to use it other than the fact that stuff like this is going on. I see him as nothing more than a vandal. It's just a criticism of him, you know, a satirical criticism of him. It's not a call for his resignation or

anything like that. It doesn't say that he should resign. It just criticizes him for statement he's made and the result in the actions of his officers. My sense would be that you become too complicated, too many issues that you're going to lose. And nothing needs to be very inquisitive on what the voters are going to vote for. He is not permitted to put his work in certain places and if he's observed doing that, he will be fine like anyone else. And he has been

fine in the past and I assume if he continues to do it, he will. On the other hand, it is not inconsistent to say your work is really great and it should be out there. And if you can find a legal place to do it, it will assist you. And the billboard is the meaningful alternative as far as I'm concerned, is one of the meaningful alternatives to putting on a traffic sign or utility box or something like that. And here we're rolling the image and we're going to take it outside and it's going to be huge. And I think next we're going to take it to Connecticut and put it up there and go all around the country with this giant image. The people of public works, I think, are grateful that we're trying to move him off the street where he's doing illegal stuff, putting posters up all over the place, getting it, putting his energies into something else. So we're not funding him to do illegal posters. We're funding him to do an illegal quote -unquote

billboard in the city. And that's what we're about. We don't condone illegal activity. We don't condone things that are negative for the city. We condone positive activities and we condone supporting artists and that's what we're doing. If I wanted to get arrested, if I wanted to form in the courts and to make this illegal issue, I could do that at any time. This is just my way of distributing ideas about issues that concern you and making art about it. It's not propaganda, it's just art. Heaven forbid people should agree with you. So I see that separate issues here, I see that there's... Is it art or graffiti? You'll get a chance to judge for yourself in about an hour when the latest work goes up right there on the billboard back there. Eric, does the artist himself see this as legitimizing his work? He does. He feels that this is

his access. He doesn't put things up in museums. He puts them up in places where people can see them on street corners and things like that. And this provides him with that and it gives him a wider audience. So I think that he could actually be paid to put it in one place and penalize for putting it in another place. And that's to show that this is content neutral. But there are different issues involved as to where you can put your work and where you can't. And I may be a great admirer of an artist. I'd like to have a Robbie Canal work, but on the other hand... Well, to some Robbie Canal is a brilliant artist. To others, he's a little more than a graffiti vandal. You've seen the work of the so -called guerrilla artists throughout Los Angeles. Daryl Gates, Ronald Reagan and other public figures have been his subjects. Right now, Eric Spillman is at Lafayette Park near downtown L .A. where Canal's latest work is about to be unveiled. Eric. Carlos actually was just unveiled a few seconds ago. Robbie Canal joins me. Good morning to you. And why don't you tell us a little bit about what we have here on this billboard? This is cautionary tale about abuses of power by

public officials using the smoke screen or double speak of national security to hide what they're doing. One of my ideas is that there are loopholes within our system of government checks and balances and so forth, not really working. And I think that it's not inconsistent, really, to support a person's endeavours and yet to say they have to respect other people's rights as well. Robbie Canal is the latest work of billboard here in Los Angeles Boulevard. Who would ensure that it inspires some curiosity to explore Carlos's apartment? Thank you, that work was on. Very good luck to you. You know, it's interesting what you do. And I like the idea of taking it out of the museum and putting it out. Yeah, so a lot more people will see it. I mean, and this is what you have to do now because the museums have sort of become, you know, a feat, you know. And who has a lot of people that have money to, you know, or the town.

More people were able to utilize your methods. And that really is the answer. The problem is for money. Trust me. Thank you. Good. The film crew just wants to get the colonel's response on the billboard there. Have you ever seen that? What do you mean by that? I saw some Jack. Okay. What do they see? I guess we've seen the Washington Post. Yeah. Who's he having seen it? We said Jack on this, right? Who's this for? Oh, he's wrong. Everyone that comes through. I do everyone on this show that comes through. I guess. And I do not, not at the studio. This is the only show I'm

doing. Here's our, here's our ice cream. Hmm. Do you want dick? With a few of his croats. Pals. Let me just put five in. Close personal friends. Flip them in. Gold and chips. Yeah, it's an icon. It's, you know, it's an altarpiece, actually. We're pretty sure you just, as long as you like it, you keep doing it. Unless it gets canceled. I mean, it's over. Sure. All right. Unless I get, like, sometimes if you get something, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Eating nice. Yeah. What a brainless fool. Oh, man. Now, he's, he's, he's picking on the right people, though. This is, you know, the government $171 million for the NEA. It's like peanuts to them. And for his constituency, he's just making so much hate. Sure. You know, picking on them, he can't lose. But, um,

he's really dangerous guy. Maximum Bob. Maximum Bob. I see out there now. Oh, okay. Oh, great. Thank you. Wow. Yeah. You can see what it's like. But it's, um, yeah. Seven, six. We'll play back. Four, three, four. Two. I'll see if I get it in. And not. What's going on? How great can you be here? The world can't use the oppression. Well, I'm not a crime. I'm the greatest. I am. Somebody. Read my list. I have a dream. I'm coming, please. Thank you very

much. Thank you. I'm Ron Reagan. Artists have always presented their personal vision of the world. That vision can be beautiful and enlightening, or insulting and outrageous, and sometimes a combination of the above. But many artists seem to be coming under attack these days. Artists working harder and being offensive, or as the public and the government, growing more intolerant. They're just a big ejection. Roll it. Roll it. Rotten canal is a Los Angeles artist whose posters and billboards have make fun of rich and powerful people. Robbie Fields, the problem is that artists don't let themselves get into enough trouble. Taylor Miller is one of the NEA 4 performance artists who were denied funding by the National Endowment of the Year. Why do you have to because of the controversial nature of their work? Thank you. Is that a decent job of pronouncing your name? Like Suez. Very well. Very good. Because you never know. Is it the job of an artist to be a provocateur? I think it's

one of the jobs of some artists, and certainly art needs a good job, and that's a job. A lot of people need jobs, really. I always get a little jumpy about how it's actually going to play. You put in all this work for a one -liner, you know, you get this big painting, you get all this stuff, and especially with Dan. But this, I think it's a little Zen exercise, and nothing that's being everything is. Then maybe just as citizens, it's incumbent upon them to try to change the government. Well, not taking money from them. I mean, is there a hypocrisy there, if you? You want to trash the government, but you want to get your hand... I didn't say trash the government. I said maybe vote for somebody else. You know what I mean? We're talking about a political process, and I think one of the things about artists as citizens is that maybe the art establishment is a whole for a while as a result of cultural propaganda that maybe dates back through the 19th century think that

they're the hotline to the sublime. I'm going to take some out to the Batman 2 set, Friday, some people over there won them, so... Okay, here's my wife, Robbie. Robbie, would you sign this for Ron? Me? Are you? I don't want her right there. That's a mess. There you go. Where are we? Thanks a lot for coming on the show. I'm sorry, I don't get to know. That's okay. Maybe that was for the best. This is what they have here, at the speed. I knew I had them. They have hurt Paul. Probably even do our play. Four. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks.

You're a 10th, that guy. What do you want? You want to make it done and won them? You've got stocking code. In a few days, more than six million pages of documentation pertaining to my administration will be released to the public. In time, more than 50 million pages will be made available for researchers. But if the Reagan library is anything like its counterparts, most of those who enter these doors will not be academics. No, they'll be ordinary people of all ages, backgrounds, and political persuasions. Eager to examine their past, and so I say, come and learn from it. I mean, you know, art and the political economy of art. I mean, you know, we're talking about big business. We're talking about a business that's quite a femoral, however. It's not really selling the thing

that you've made. It's selling the idea of the thing you've made, and it's very abstract. And in the sense that when you get into the art business, it doesn't matter whether it's a beer can. Or a toilet bowl, or a picture of an ugly old white man in a suit and tie, that you're selling. It's more selling the idea of art and the buzz that's created around the object. One of the things I'm interested in is people actually seeing the paintings. I mean, it's not that there isn't that. I mean, you know, I do want people to come in the gallery and look at the pictures, and have some kind of intercourse with the pictures, but as opposed to with the posters on the street. Take it off the phone.

Go on the phone. Okay. I like to play, and I like to play politics, and I'm interested in it. I'm definitely interested in people buying my art for as much money as I can get for it. I need the money, and besides, it's kind of un -American, not to make a profit on your product. And I'm a red blooded American boy. And a lot of people have no idea that I make paintings, or that there's anything to sell or buy, you know. So in hard terms, in business terms, it's very important to let my virgin markets know that there's a product.

Okay, see that slowly. It's legal for post -delegal. We didn't post that. We didn't post that. We don't post on buildings. We just post on get structural science. Is that okay? Not at all. I mean, I'm from Los Angeles. We do it all the time. I just came here. I won't do it if you tell me not to do it. I mean, we'll stop. He's doing a documentary on me. I'm an artist, and we're having a show. I'm having a painting show. So you're looking up the city, right? Excuse me? So you think nothing's going to go. Well, I do it all over the country, but if you tell me not to, I won't. But see, like, what about all these things that are all illegal? I didn't know that. I swear. But if you tell me not to, I'll stop.

I mean, we'll go home right now. I don't need to be out in the middle of the night here doing this. We're just having a big art show. And, you know, just do it everywhere. So nobody ever... I've never seen guys like you. One thing about American politics and American morality and the larger sense is that it's the hours is one of the most hypocritical popular structures, you know, fabricated morality. And the one hand is this wild and woolly country where everybody knows that anything goes and it's all for profit and based on profit of the individual by exploiting other people. And on the other hand, we have this kind of fake, fabricated ethical system that we pretend is functioning. And we participate in this hypocrisy. If we don't hold these people accountable and watch them all the time. 75A in

your Addendum. Drug dealers should be taken out and shots. Here it comes. What will you give me for the... This is sold unframed. This is sold unframed. Who will start the bidding out of $500? Every decide whether that's art or not? If you had a decision whether that's art or not. It's an edition of 30. It's sold out. It's got bullet holes. $500. $500. $500. Now six. It's winning. It's not a real good like this, actually. I've got $500. Now six. $600. $550. $550. I've got $500 going once. $500 in the front going twice. Anyway, I hope you do well in your project. $500. $500.

It's sold out. Any advance on $500. So $500. Your bidder number 128. There's one more available. Is anybody one of the $500? One more available. No? Okay. Move on to the next. My fondest hope is that Americans will travel the road, extending forward from the arch of experience, never forgetting our heroic origins, never failing to seek divine guidance, as we march boldly, bravely into a future limited only, by our capacity to dream. May every day be a new beginning, and every dawn bring us closer to that shining city upon a hill. Thank you. God bless you all, and God bless America. Thank you. Thank

you.