Joan Baez, Ira Sandperl

couple announcements first before we get started with that we have a table in back with some mild literature on the clerical current don't think they'll only revolutionary nonviolence and support the existence in sign ups for those who are interested in turning in their draft cards rather than tournaments that you know it'll turn into yogurt these brigades are attentive to stop a grab for the government is that of the us so if you're interested in diving events are threatened burning i'm an obscure answer nobody knows if you got rid of almost given to us back there and sign the showdown play it's an extension of the charlottesville plunge efficient and virginia charlottesville point city and the shuttle pleasure but he waited till hundred thousand people returned their cars and all of one's wall in a certain point to turn that are immediately and signed a statement saying you will not cooperate with the draft law also for those in the syntax resistance to its

okay for a time entertained questions and that's the questions will be the main target of that though that you're going to fall and their iris central is starting first use profanity used to distill in nonviolence with joan and that's all it was printed versions it's been i don't think in the main what i would have to say the day is really obvious the currents while most brilliant psychologist amanda name of lyons book i recommend you recall the politics of experience and my hands on lang feels that what we always misses the

obvious and i think minds remark is very obvious and he's right and so i want to say what i think is very obvious to all of us and the only reason i'm saying as we go on to sing it the violence destruction that he could perhaps lead bankrupt they'd never gotten a decent world a never created the quality they've never created justice they'd never created a world of big maybe they only brought in more violence and more violent more violence are i think in some ways we really understand that there's a real mental reservation or really a fantastic amount of resistance to anything that this new report echoes was new and he was resisted for four hundred years galileo newton einstein and the relatively papers were first and then in nineteen oh five on most contemporary physicist said

that the man was out of his mind you know one liners to visit could possibly deal with the kind of new thought that einstein was putting forth newspaper because the absolute upset all physical law but based on new laws well as we all know that this is as of now gone were einstein saw there things that they find to be in error in his own voice which is always the way its economies resistance the droid met with now online survey still indebted to throw it but has gone on from their users happen no century after century decade after decade we resist those things that are new parliament now everyone knows about evolution and that the earth is round but there's always this always been a struggle even for what is intellectually now has been orthodox and i think in nineteen oh six was the second

in our century year after einstein's papers i read you are not unrelated in historical actually and that was when mahatma gandhi first socially organize long while in south africa this is the first time that there's been a manhunt in civil law and intelligent and would not return evil for evil and hatred hatred and vengeful when he organized that that was really what gandhi's contribution is and with albert einstein i feel passionately unless we understand and adults i teach our own culture's the principles of such a graphite which means true for slum force that we really will not get out of the century alive or will get out of the uncensored form of orwell's nineteen eighty four for the poor and huck sees brave new world of the rich he really was a kind of pioneer the innovator that einstein and so this is our struggle for senate over and over again to why

people always say now they'll look at the civil rights movement yes look at the civil rights movement people say that we really marched in march and march and that would not stop the war indochina the march to march it does nothing to do with revolutionary guard corps that has to do with liberal politics when you march toward changes like sending a telegram worthless what we really have to organize a profound non cooperation that means we walk out of our jobs we want out of our schools we won't carry our life as is china's over but the iranians commitment to meet us on some sort of real vision of what our life can be and today we are not that we could not only not about what the united states is doing in china we cannot operate the united states is doing in guatemala in bolivia colombia south african republic shortz but at this moment the education model united states

is really directed the indochina and so we said we're going to walk out and commit non violent civil disobedience because of libya no one would understand what you're doing but after we've really gotten united states out into china would not get them out of latin america we've got to get another south africa with western europe i mean anyone says the us what would you do about the resignation which is a right to stop them and we lived in the mostly resignation of all along but we really can resist and this is really my home i don't experience by fact that the war's continued though i'm deeply saddened like all the rest of you get that we're still going on but i'm frightened because we really haven't begun resistance we turn on the rebels but we really haven't begun or is this as a young

man on one the nazis were growing up in germany and the clashes in italy in stalin's russia was taking place it always will occurred to me as a very young people resist a minute now i know why they're not resisting because it's inconvenient to resist writing ethically politically socially humanly we're calling on to resist i think we owe every window every orphan every widower in indochina that we resist what's going on there in that and we can do it and we all talk about the so called in the movement we talk about revolution a great deal and probably all of us have a different interpretation of what that revolution means and i guess i won't talk about it i have a different idea what it means and that nonviolent revolution means that we change our relationships not only our human relationships are institutional relationships are political relationships or there's no more oppressor and no more press

the real eric seemed to me the most obvious there historically and politically as we've always mistaken your pastor or the oppression we've always said let's get rid of hitler we got rid of that there are right we're not we did not now let's get rid of the muscle legally dump it refreshes and i think we'll leave your tickets on personalities and don't understand those forces that are keeping the same things going we picked on human beings where we should pick on the actions of human beings the organization's a human being personal relationships travelodge and it would be nice if we get bitter personal relationship with over three billion people on earth we never again we have a very direct relationship with the chinese people are having our ships in the seven seas by having airplanes fly over their territory spying on them that's our

relationship with the chinese people but we can change back on a relationship we can change it so there's no more passer and no more press we really live in an age where it could be possible that a first time for us to be liberated but that liberation really must come as a liberation from fear and i don't mean political fear economic fears social here this is what he says box in the nineteenth century institutions like this university like a nation state it's our fear to get out of them is the fear to create something new i think each one of us individually and guacamole would go to an arm on our day's activity and take on the one hand people all the things that you do something out of fear fear of your spirit your teachers fear of your peers fear of your own career and then on the other hand i think of all the things you do enjoy a lot of well being and happiness because it makes some sense to you i think most of

our balance sheets look very bad but i think we can liberate ourselves not clear and i think we need each other to help us do that we can't be calling each other's names like up our like our house like nigger like paid you were all humans were all stuck in a really terrible predicament and we have to learn to liberate ourselves from our careers i would like to say that we could be candy but i think we can live our life not dominated by the fear that we can mr white dominated by our attempts at our attempts at law i would say in the revolution that we really must work or is that a revolution that you know that human life is actually much more important than any idea of human life it's b iran i was not as with members of these

are in iowa that with ballot was going to speak first because we're speaks first as you said that all mellon gets happens is a man and want to sit down again so what i do is look around and see what you know what voice i could elaborate on and obviously in a room like this and everybody is more or less about your age and i think of what i like to elaborate on this is where you stand in your lives and that is this point school and schooled me why these throughout my entire life meant only one thing an atmosphere and for me was very real i think for some people it's a little it's a little more hidden or little more subtle for me you just plain outright terror from when i entered kindergarten until i went to my forty five minutes of college and that i think that as i look around the room and as we travel around the country and talk with people who are in schools are about ninety nine percent of the people are in school are there because they dont imagine they can be anywhere else

and they say things like well i'm here because this is where everybody gets together and just for that will come and i i would analyze that as i do people really get together they're having your stuff here because that's what we've been center that are you know that's we're supposed to be but they've actually very little anything resembling community and in your school and most of you know five or six people and and none of the other forty thousand and that really isn't community i think i think back of our brainwashing and when it started and and what we've been told is real even where only one person you can really do anything you got to get a phd and human nature is very very evil there've always been wars therefore there will always be wars et cetera et cetera et cetera until i think we've been absolute castrated by the time you get you know even through high school you really don't think is a thing that you can do i mean and it's crazy tests they give you starring about fifty

six great telling you what you're cut out to be on my sister's was the jet pilot life was to be a farmer knowing the thing is you believe that by then you'd begin believing it unless you can break out of those things and you really had it because from then on you believe everything that they tell you that people don't tell you all things you couldn't do they tell you all things that you can't do that all the test really eliminate the things that you thought maybe you could do or would like to do a little by little it's leveled off under the guys and let's be realistic or whether it is by the time you leave high school you don't think you're capable of doing anything ok so what i suggest i really do think this virus said that in order for us to ever be serious about revolution to be serious about the fact of laotian mothers and children and napalm in an exploitation and the real atrocities are real hideousness that's going on around us that we don't see because we happen to be well protected american kids i think they were going out during some kind of vision and i don't know how that comes about that i knew i do know that it can come about and to see

the thing about vision it's so beautiful is that when you meet in the sea then that's when you begin their acts and those actions no longer seem like a great sacrifices they're no longer as terrifying they might be scary but they're not as terrifying anymore i'd say sending it like all the resistors i know have gone to prison they're scared i mean you're bound to be scary to hear terrible stories about prison many of which are true many of which are untrue but you're bound to be scared i mean david had nightmares for for weeks before he went to prison but the thing is when you recognize that it's something that you have to do you have to break your own fear prison i think all of us have to break that specific fear for everybody doing things serious in this country you can end up in prison for some time or another i think that for example are going to be a very good idea for people to get involved in a situation where the way well what i did was a sit in awe at an end of show in center where you know at which point i knew i would go to jail for somewhere from ten days to three months and i was ready for that i was

scared of and i was shaking all around singing louder than usual so they're both think i wasn't scared but i think but i think just for instance if you never been to jail you should be to jail because you should see what it's like in there i mean my god that's incredible education goes on and i can't tell you how much say david has grown in the last nineteen months from what he's been through and that prison then an art talks about dave del injured some of you know him as a well known pacifist you went to yale and then spent a lot of time in jail instead i went through from yale to jail and learn a lot more in jail than i ever did in yale and it's funnier bounty you're you're bound to meet all the people that you'll never meet in your own town now because you never get up enough nerve to cross the tracks and so i guess my general feeling is that this the life is going on outside this camp is going on around the whole world river going by the river of life it had everything in it has all the joy has all the beauty and also

has all the fear and it happens to be at this point in history as the most poisonous tree filled up with with blood and arms and legs floating around and you and i are trying to ignore that and i think that we can't i think we have to jump into that i mean even if you have to shut her eyes and hold your nose more direct them and pray on the way and i think we have to take that leap because unless we do nothing is going to happen i think especially in a society like this we really are waiters and we wait we wait listening to happen you hope is going to happen and that's it so terrifying about electoral politics you vote for somebody new hope is gonna work it out for you and he's not you know i mean it's insane to get involved in that system no matter how nice a guy is anemic i got some really nice guys a nice congressman i mean they're good guys but what he does when he enters that system to the pledges as life of the nation state well i had and i think the nation states cannot coexist with people very well and if we continue having nation states and pouring our tax money and a nation states and protecting our nation states and our flags that

within a very short period of time and be short on people which maybe world war three and so i think no for instance for a guy to consider running in electoral politics even though he doesn't know what the first thing he's going to have to learn how to do was lie cheat steal and kill and all those things effectively and if he wants to get anywhere near the top of that pyramid yesterday how to do all those things well and still go to sleep at night and get up the next morning do some more of them and so i think that you and i have to learn a new idea what powers i mean i think we've been trained to think that power is something somebody else has and fought for for us together we have to either borrowed from them ask them for art or steal it i don't think that's true i think that we have that power from one were tiny we have our own power i think it's the power of love which i think is the strongest force in the world i think people were obsolete terrified of love because i think it's hard to love because love

means you have to be vulnerable and it means you're liable to get hurt and i think that that happens i was joking last night in the concert about the david for our show literally every time i said the word love about five women that audiences jump to their feet and fury that the rage that anybody could talk about loving a hip beer loving a junkie died just terrified her an i think when we begin talking about nonviolent resistance is when iris said it terrifies people because it means even have to open yourself up it means that it had to be twice as intelligent twice as humorous twice is giving twice as open as has ever happened in the history of may and time and we talk about human nature if people love to do it and i don't think anybody knows a damn about human nature and i was you know give my lady little discussion on what i think human nature is about i think it's everything i mean i've seen in people i've seen hatred misery reaction visceral knows stupidity on the other hand i've seen love the desire to be loved a kindness openness and the

question is which of these two things we don't organize and the fact is that for the last six thousand years we've been organizing and the easiest way we could which is the stupidest way we could and so what we have men's anyone brotherhood and they want equality they want decency and they want love and in order to get those things you have to do those things and that's the one linked it we haven't put together yet i think the reason it's so frightening to say to talk about a gandhi and resistance when you look at the gun into resistance or if you look at the way the danes resisted the nazis there are facts that would tell you that to fight in this fashion is much safer you get fewer ulcers there's less blood know they're like you have a better chance for your life but i think that because it's still an unknown to us it equals death i think anything just it's really unknown is equivalent to death but we know violence and we cling on to violence and we think somehow we are really insane fashion we think the best we misuse and everybody has an excuse for violence but i would just say

in closing that there was only one thing that's worth anything on the face of this earth and that's human life or alive and a human life is sacred and the curious thing is that it's not our differences that make this a blow each other's heads off it's not the difference between a black and a white it's not the difference in the communist in the capital as it is the one thing that everybody agrees on and that is that whatever your differing about it's ok to murder each other about ok i don't care if we differ and i like conflict that's fine but only thing i say is you don't get to kill each other over your conflicts and so i did my plea to you is that you are wherever you see that conflict which you realize in your own heart your hometown in your own country and around the world that you would jump ended you willing to give up your core there we are two cars or whatever the hell it is you got your your parents accurate your mindset on or whatever it is you willing to jump in and risk your life and i'm just here to tell you that it's the only way i've ever found to lift its any fun thank you it's

been any questions comments or do what specifically yes yes and it is that what you heard over and over again repeated about why we can't pull out of vietnam and china is that our whole economy is geared toward autonomy and leave the indochinese war would mean to destroy our economy is she likely to come on this is her question i will be

happy to comment on isolated that our economy is the ruined nation of every human being on the face of this earth until it seemed that there cannot be united states' economy but there has to be a world economy that when people say the economy is reeling over ten percent of the human mutant people united states are starting over two thirds of people all the world are starving i don't see that as anything but a failure of the economy are rightly so and i think because it is a theory be slightly larger when white middle class economists say it'll our economy will fail why that they're thinking of the tiny segment white middle class of america which makes up a tiny minority in the face of this earth she asked if i thought volunteer army would take us to an army report obviously is that when we translate volunteer army it comes out mercenary it comes out saying that in order to have a volunteer army you have to keep this segment

love of people about what the country is for enough and wind in our survey revealed this is a good alternative we are you know the best alternative for their lives and that means that the that we have not done a decent education job and that they're not getting enough food bratton armies and volunteer armies all over the world are made up of the porcelain order to clear violent revolution and where it is the poor who killed the poor always the media's job of all warfare on gender years that you would like to dedicate his life was the huge iraq when his livelihood is how i mean do is the question and this is a real question that i think all not answer individually but we really must answer with each other we really need each other's help i was asked this question engineers from lockheed i suggest

all right i mean i couldn't do it your material or spiritually i think that's really important about the community that we really are very dependent on each other and i think most isolated lonely what can i do i don't think most of us can do not a lot to be happy about that resources are can be so we can be supported believe that olive oil this is an election in two thousand cummings and they're some of them at a ridiculous isn't made beautiful but nobody had a start and i think they're also reasonable and the other thing is to be a white in america you know one

story and she said that she felt that my comment about nation states and premium subsidies across people with talent but what is the alternative to that was that is the alternative has never been accepted and say you know i called the indians or tanzania know it's very difficult to hand people a blueprint about about what would replace the nation state and i would say that if we could just begin to visualize de centralization we'd be on the way i would begin to visualize thinking how the form of the pyramid with the presidents of the top of the world the bottom and somehow we think that he's running at all sharing i'll read a substitute the word benefit in place of the word prophet all this comes to be a possibility just to decentralize and are immediately once this abuse you make it more clear than i do today greece now there's no

international law there is really public consensus in public opinion for political world community today on the winnebago on world community right today we really wouldn't have been exploiting kind of community we would have a genocidal war i don't think it's a question about four i really think it's a question of are informing those forms of the way that we're going to live obviously we have to have a world economy we have to have some form of world politics it can be very very specific we do it all i mean this really is

what is passivity and that person really is violence and that violence really a spiritual need that passage even that was all somehow are nodding or just visiting my aunt was really want to withdraw i don't know it really is and i think we understand paris we disagree

consequently we do is that every day every week every month every year tomorrow do it tomorrow as part of the law but we both we are i think the moment to really face the fact that mortality you live passionately you are passionately confused that anyone do you enter language barrier reef even when you're not years but the fact that we make the world i was a prisoner housing which we keep ourselves caught up with that oh oh you know the americans and russians are not made

easier time of this whole struggle for way over position for land all those permitted things like sobbing union does in the middle east as defendant doesn't north vietnam with socialist brother is an actual pilots in egypt they don't think these are easy the memories must see a selfie our country's israelis they must see themselves on a pan federation of this semitic states to begin with they must have cooperation or they don't enjoy doing what they didn't really restates period which is five hundred years and they got to see themselves as part of a whole world complex and not separated from the rest of its anonymous is don't listen apple releases a separate from what we're doing in indochina bolivia guatemala south africa austin texas tony diaz is that i think our soldiers at all

it looked as though they were going to be your last forever they never hatched happily is because you're right alaska for twelve years it's an awe what i think for one thing is what we really don't see that any power supporters say specifically american reviewer thousand americans have probably many of them two hundred million because we notice where is the resources to do it this reunion they

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the classes and certainly never handed over and said here we want to share and that's absolutely of course historically and i think her being directed that hasn't changed and that's why what we understand about long violent resistance nonviolent fighting we're really in a bottle with that kind of organization back on a corporation and we are going to be beaten up we are going to be in prison and i think we really can they have at least used the word ok

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only woman and ideally us seeing a society without any one of these and you know we always talk about is that we don't want a dominating the iranian marxist literature there's always worried about was no right against allah on it is a political psychological phenomenon again i think it's one that we reject the struggling with i think we can't deny that there will be a legal in spite of dealing with each other but what we ask this is it but that doesn't get to some sort of status to me they looked at each other i think this awareness week we are even our experiences will all i think that we have to struggle with all the time

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