Forum; Shakti Gawain: Transformations

from the longhorn radio network the university of texas at austin this is for him i will egyptians are actually the greatest teachers that we have the greatest opportunity to our relationships and particularly the closest relationships the ones who shot the growing farther apart the transformation of healing ourselves can change the world relationships are always reflecting something that's about ourselves that they're showing the city she is their mirroring who we are and so your family as an opportunity to learn and to grow and there are different ways to deal with external i mean there are times for trying to get closer with your family there are times for taking space for their times are trying to communicate and times were just accepting what is made

this is olive gray today's guest is author shakti going her earliest book creative visualization was published about fifteen years ago that title and living in the light or her most well known works she conducts workshops and seminars internationally and spends a part of her time on the island of kelly in a whiny her current publication is the path of transformation how healing ourselves can change the world while much of her work would be categorized under new age publications she is not comfortable with the term new age what this new age actually me i have a little resistance to that term even though it's a beautiful term it's just that people have you know used and misused at some moment that you knew what it means is so our quiz the birth of a new era of consciousness new new values new ways of living on

explorations of new ways to enter the age that this this makes it sound like something millennium side well i feel that in some way it's connected to the you know the new millennium the turning of i don't know i don't know how what way exactly except i think that when something like that happens is that you know there's a part of our consciousness than is really recognizing and at the news cycle a new beginning of something and a navy that in some way kind of come and catalyze is something within us what was that term has become popularized it's also pretty apparent that much of our cultural interest has tied up in healing in some way is this this mean that the new age is out of sorts out of whack group is the healing part of the beginning of an image our healing is definitely a major part

of it as we as we learn new ways of looking at things in new ways of living in new ways of relating we see one what was not working about the old ways and that's a healing process you know beal a change what doesn't work be able to find ways that work better if we are seeking health equilibrium whatever spaces or state would we want to find oh what is that that tells us that healing is necessary to name some type of pain or feeling of emptiness or on fulfillment whether it's physical pain emotional pain spiritual pain or just aleppo a sense of that there could be more it could be something deeper there could be more fulfillment in life

in some way or sometimes a crisis of some time but thats begin as pain usually is shows us that there's something some more to be done or some healing to take close vote in your book you'd talk about not only on an individual basis within human but you will take you also take that outward into two groups statin nations and seattle all were lying in a half irish describe for us what what have those units to take this and the paradigm is the same for four eat well there are many ways but one of the things i do talk about in the book is that i think there are at least four levels of existence which i break down a spiritual mental emotional and physical and for the individual as well as collective i think we need to address all of those levels and

life does have a way of kind of bringing in whichever level needs attention to us it at whatever time it needs it so for example you know if i have a problem and a relationship there's often an indication of some type of emotional healing that needs to happen and on a more collective level you know if we're having economic problems and maybe a signal to look at our whole you know a way of looking at money and work and you know being willing to allow ideas in our police to change about that which is down the mental ability and so it's a bit depending of problems come up as a way of signaling to us that there's something in the city that we become aware of and that we need to heal we need to transform but if you recognize that this order levels which drones can take place how it know what prepared for i know it well mr leno pat answer to that

one one of the things that i teach and i talk about is that we have i think each of us inside a connection to a kind of wisdom truth a deeper level of intelligence than we are normally in touch with and i think when his reviews are cultivating our relationship with that inner wisdom and your sense of truth because very often the direction we need to go it's right here inside of us in terms of our own impulses our own feelings are what what were drawn to who are drawn to that we tend to disregard that so he learned to listen and pay attention to your own deepest inner promptings you often receive some type of guidance as to what you need to do or what you need to learn about our you know if you need to go to therapy if you need a teacher somehow to be aware of some credit you need a support group or whatever you might need sounds something that you fixed internally can help you in whatever external

and you know the ex journals circumstances of our lives in many ways are a reflection of our own internal consciousness we tend to drop to us and be drawn to people and situations that reflect our own beliefs and our own emotional patterns in all of those things so you can really learn to look at your life and what's happening in your life is a reflection of what's going on inside of you and then we shift what's going on inside us to become more aware of it on some crash shifter change takes place it affects what goes on next to mine where i could see being able to turn in their entire collection of coal workers who were in or fellow students a change in a location you don't get to turn your family you know that's true and that's why sometimes families are the most challenging that our relationships are

actually the gravestone teachers that we have the greatest opportunity for consciousness usually comes through our relationships and particularly the closest relationships the ones we can get rid of so easily basically and you're willing to look at your family you will see a lot about yourself that you can learn a lot about yourself and a lot about what doesn't need to be healed within you what did you mean by primary self harm we all have made different cells inside of us many different aspects of of ourselves can you can even think of them as being different person sub personalities with in your personality or even different people with and you know and many times those different cells in the us are in conflict with one another and that's why we feel conflict that's where we get stuck or feel in any inner conflict an the parts of us their most developed and that was the most identified with i call our primary sounds for example

i know i have very articulate intelligent competent person those are some qualities that i have developed in my life that were supported my early life and and those are things i feel good about i feel proud of that as a very identified with those qualities and what that means is that there may be certain opposite qualities in me that need to be expressed but don't get as much expression in my life isn't so busy being you know caught up in an active and responsible and all of those things for example there might be a more playful or vulnerable side in me that needs to be expressed so the parts i most identified with her the primary sells the parts that mean i get as much expression i called his own selves and part of becoming downstairs to do with learning to express all aspects of ourselves which is the child in a fit into this collection of the

child is why the very very deepest parts of the city think this is the way i imagine where all divine eternal spiritual beings i think we come into the physical plane you were learning discovering growing when we come into this physical body we are spiritual being coming into physical form and the first farm we come into is that of a child so it's like the first layer of personality gets formed around us the spiritual essence so it remains it's it's like the rest of the personality gets for like layers of the onion around them that that child remains deep inside so we all have a very sensitive and deeply feeling vulnerable child inside of us that we need to be in touch with and be aware of and learn how to take care of him or her support quite a few years back there was

there were a lot of books on the market about transformation psychology time and games that people with her and the child in the parents were were part of that you were held here is trying to add natural analysis by hand parent you're trying to get out of the child as i recall it was not a good player and we write one good sure is we don't really want be stuck in any of these party and if you start getting any album in other words if that's who you think you are that's where you automatically and unconsciously react from it becomes a problem anytime we're stuck in a particular role unconscious lee eventually it's very limiting for us so it's not that you want to become a child and act as a child and be a child in the world actually this this is not a safe port to be innocent child and it's more that we want to become conscious are where all the different parts of ourselves and have

access to all of them but not be stuck in any one part so do the relationship with the child within us is more i have to become a responsible adult and part of being responsible adult is knowing that i have an inner child it's very emotional and very sensitive and has a lot of needs in is also very playful it needs to have fun and learning to you know be a kind of a responsible parent to my own child as just like we have to learn to do that when we have actual children really have to learn to do that for ourselves so it's not that you just trending in a childless in the world it's more that you learned how to take care of that child in the world as an adult so you have access to the child's feelings as that the child in us is the key to our deepest feelings in mind if we cut off the child well feel very good life becomes sort of empty there's a kind of a feeling of what am i doing all this at what's the point of the us

having access to the trial gives you a sense of it can a level of fulfillment i am so that's basically what we do is have access to their feelings but not just become known as an exemption in the subtitle of your book is how healing ourselves can change the world how can the transformations that week individually those who ultimately called her own view of the world in some way well each one of us as i was saying has a tremendous impact on how we create our own minds we tend to drop to us experiences and people and so on and that reflects who we are and plus we also interpret what happens too as in light of our own consciousness our own beliefs our own pre conceived it the ideas about life

so i sent each one of us individually is creating our own experience of reality each one of us is also linked with what i call the mass consciousness our own individual consciousness is a part of a bigger consciousness think the purchases of humanity when we change when we become more aware of who we are and why were the way we are and how are living and when we begin to make changes in how we live we actually not only affect our own personalized but we because we're part of the massacre mask urges as we affect that mass consciousness we move it a step every time that we move a stunt and the mass consciousness of humanity is what's creating the world today so when we make change we affect the mass consciousness the mass consciousness effects the reality of the world and that's how the evolutionary process was taking place so literally if i do a step you know

healing myself on any level feeling more comfortable when myself more at peace with myself there's an energy that's really transmitted into the entire consciousness of the world maybe i'm just a little bit but it's powerful but what is equally powerful are on the opposite side of the things that have been across the terminator mr ray my view and as i explain in the book is that the kinds of processes including all the pain and turmoil and confusion that we see in the world are sort of bigger reflections of the processes that are going on inside of each one of us individually each one of us is a kind of a microcosm of the macrocosm and of the of the human condition or the human process so we all have conflicts in advance and we see those same conflicts that act that are played out in our own lives are played out on the bigger stage of the world and this gets back to what i was saying

earlier about the primary cells into some cells and as if we're very identified with certain interviews and we think these are the right is the right way to be and we have disowned a repressed certain other parts of ourselves those other parts of his become what's called our shadow it's like a part of ourselves that we don't accept but we can't really get rid of it because it's part of who we are part of life so it sort of follows us around until we're able to cut to acknowledge it yes this is a part of me this is a part of life it's not a bad it's not wrong it's just another aspect of who i am will you see that in the world at large to the world is dealing with its shadow as well so that's where we see a mom you know disturbing and painful things in conflicts in the worlds of all has to do with how the parts of life that we haven't yet made peace with her come to terms with the examples i give you is you can kind of puzzles puzzle i

guess i was going to say it or it was you know things that are trying to get entangled in the lobby of her very much as always northern ireland's etc i was always with my first of all i think one of the kinds of energies that we're learning new ways to deal with is aggression you're down through human history most societies have seen war as an appropriate way to solve problems you know you know you want something or you don't like something you go out you kill somebody in if enough people get killed and you know i think that what's happening as part of this evolutionary process that worries were beginning to outgrow that mode but we haven't quite grown and yet so many of us are now looking at this and going oh this is kind of crazy it's like going around killing people then try to get what you want is not the best way to use the aggression you know aggression in itself is not a negative thing it's in

natural part of who we aren't enough apart like its the part of us that allows us to go after what we wanted with you know with power that violence is not necessarily i think something that we need to continue on so i think we're in the process of now many others looking at war looking at that kind of expression of violence and saying this is really crazy we need to do this at the same time we don't yet know a better way so in that kind of place that's always the most difficult and growth process we're still doing things the old way but you know it doesn't really work that would hope so it's a time when we look at the way we doing this why is this happening let's think of a better way to do it and some of us are on a path while others are still trying to do it the old way that's a part of what's going on in other parties for example we mention south africa you know i see south africa as like a symbol of racism and that's something that humanity has

always struggled with you know we've always had this tendency second opera so as we take a disarmed side of ourselves in the projected on other people and we say you have a problem if you would change i would be okay or if i could just get you under control i would be ok we do that collectively two week we project our shadow onto other races we make the man we make them that we make him the cause of our problems we fear them if you each other and so i think we're beginning to see a whole new era coming in the love of doing it in a different way and there are non violent movements song which are so powerful two to refuse to defend themselves and to let aggression is that a viable position well i mean it's i think it's about double it that it's a legitimate position but in the

long run it will work because anytime you take a position of denying a part of life or a part of who we are you don't really solve the problem so denying aggression doesn't work what has to happen is we have to own an embrace the aggressive aspect of ourselves and find appropriate creative channels tea is there not to say this is better run but really how can i take this wonderful all live powerful energy in the news in a way that works so it's usually doesn't work to continue to refuse to deal with an aspect of life but mortifying the positive side of it and find hadn't included in your life so in your estimation would an individual make a difference in terms of how the world will span if they proceed to heal themselves to an extent they

can and then reach out from there i think that each one of us is making a difference every day especially if we are committed to some type of personal growth or healing or transformational process recently now i think every one of us is making a difference every day especially if we are committed to any type of personal growth healing transformational process and all my hands i literally feel that any step of consciousness that we make which is you know consciousness is just becoming more where is becoming aware of things we were aware of before and integrating an awareness into our allies in ways that make our lives more fulfilling you step we take in that direction has an effect on not only people we meet because in a certain way where always affecting people that we encounter interact with that even people we don't need to get through the connection of our consciousness and mass consciousness so what you're

describing what we mean by the word peace to me peace is something that comes from making peace with myself which means becoming aware of learning to honor every aspect of him even the parts of myself that i might have judged it might've thought were bad unworthy to learn to really recognize and appreciate all aspects of myself when i can do that i can actually recognize and appreciate have compassion for all aspects of other people you know choose to want to be close to somebody if i don't like the way they act but i had compassion for them i can understand why they're doing that because i found that same place in myself and to me that's what brings us essentially had to peace and harmony with ourselves with one another and with our environments and acceptance of the many different parts of ourselves including the part of ourself is not peace not peaceful but if we

do as you stated at the beginning relax listen to sanders and find out what voices there are talking to us are used to riding along we get up from that and then two or whenever we really feel whatever were really move to do that is it's like there's the life force that always moving through each one of us and in a way it's like it's trying to move us in the direction we need to go that made times we have so many mental concepts or fears about you know what we're supposed to do or what other people are doing or what we can't do and we don't really listen we don't really trust our own life force and where it's going so learning to pay attention to your own inner sense of what we need right now what's true for me white rhino when we need to say right now what we need to do what i like maybe i don't need to say or do anything at this

moment is a time of just waiting or listening oh now i feel an impulse you know it's learning to follow that trusting your gut feelings is probably the easiest way to express and learning to act on them now is that one of those seven steps within the seven steps they get at the end of a writer i'm in that was amazing judges go over those were you know the first step is just making a commitment to consciousness making a commitment to your own growth process and the second step is learning to listen to your own inner sense of truth an act on in your life which takes practice and takes courage you know and the third one is reaching out to find a kind of support you need in your life whether it's an emotional support a spiritual support physical support any any kind of support we have kind of a concept in our culture that it's okay to need

anything we have to be very self sufficient so i need to be open to receive any kind of support we owe me before it was using tools which means just finding things that work for you and using them in your wife whatever they maybe arm the fifth one is allowing healing allowing the time it takes for change to take place within us it's not an overnight advantage that an ongoing lifelong protestants under six one as allowing ourselves to express our creativity because really that's what life is all about we all have gifts to get and we feel the most fulfilled when you're giving the guests that we that we've been given doing what we love to do doing it just comes naturally to us is the most powerful transformation of thing we can do in terms of our allies and in terms of the world and the final thing is sharing with others because i think that's always the end result of the healing process is that we or is it we

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