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rolling rolling rolling rolling rolling rolling rolling and us what it i don't know it's just there's so many ways we can talk about brazil to start out with my guest and then we can go to africa as background for that if you want that it would like to approach and wish you'd rather stick talk about african yes followed referred to answer questions is that we can start rolling well the first thing i do that comes to my mind is that just mainly for my own benefit there's a word a cornwell that is she policies in brazil are but i've heard a lot of negative things about that particular word but it's the only word that i know of that that you might use to cover all of the african based religion say in brazil is there another word or are allied forces saw the puzzle what particular frame or if you put yourself into and turmoil for the meanings of that troll terminology

michael and was awarded his use force one type of cult group will visit america didn't ever and to some extent some pollen as well that song is a much more a culture editor type of religion that you would find say are mong even within real or even some follow hmong so called our condo major trouble will jump on them they still very much use among palm really court personnel in rio mccollum was a while those generic try more for people to regard not specifically associated with the group since it off and locals because most of the most of the cult leaders are part of originate from our from idea to begin with for example on drugs you know may i was one of the very very basic one of the most popular bellotti

schaal was recorded there by the sun till cult leader in rio can from it it means ever present to you the group is very closely connected with the economic trouble yet war was establishing real is is called center he was never call my name sell probably would have objected to that but jonathan martin that american mozart anything pleasure to talk about it i just read things that that people don't like that particular word that it had sort of bad connotations know it inserts into a much more nowadays people would use public common bond there are more much more readily than any other such many other tribes because i'm on the is widespread throughout the country were that south the central office

when you go into what are in bondage is coming specifically the ultimate degree group in that saw it includes a great deal of fall religious belief and witchcraft practices but inherited from your jugular also our world record for jews the embassies more all are again elements so for certain types of religious and witchcraft practices that be incorporated an o into war into the cult when the same time he maintains president basically a ha hierarchy of god's of arab rabbi million heritage from the most traditional a cult groups are in this respect him and to be to make things are clear one would have to look within the scale of fall well with a continuum if you want or what seemed to be more african and gentle retention in those religious groups and wants him to be

more european and along the continuum you're going to find that up mucking bottom on the team on the economy to get the committee trouble oakland all of those are religious associations or people that professed to belong won gold worth another that it's they all belong to that continuum so it's a matter of degree alpha to extend within the religious belief religious belief systems and practices certain elements are emphasize morton was at home on the us and to emphasize as much european witchcraft practices incorporated within the framework of african rooted religion than any at any of the other this may help explaining also why one but there's been so attractive for the middle class and no you know syrian some cases or her upper middle classes in their own mother has also been dominant so

membership or fall or for white people or at least more than religious or within brazilian religious and ethnic identification people are lukewarm like a why so few blacks are pure blacks if you use that term but at the same time you could say it's the largest of the rig in particular religious what's the appeal as is so why yemen is to enable that's right and this is why i think the image of a study of music which is by avoiding what i've been working on this to show her precisely that there is a series of music being composed literally all the time form on our usage are which is very closely connected with what we could call urban popular music you know it's again you have that continuum age of the musical styles that are other one and one and the scale you could

see them or stir african like a type of music that are the world are set and traditional and where changes do occur by the ads a slower pace than in in the us an obscure which will be one one the music very closely connected with while popular some buzz all different style but by mary the top of music one associated with carmel merrymaking in this town could you draw analogy between the well let's see can you say that these pop songs that are of religious but have religious content are they using the rituals are are they more in line with american gospel tunes that simply and sing about that than the lyrics deal

with religious alcott religious ideas and things along those lines yeah well it said so they and they may become pop tunes pursue what they are is it to the arts pieces specifically compose for some ceremonies of oman and the style is very much akin to that off urban popular music of a non religious or secular nature journal says now the question here all for having a popular tune from that sector context that is being in incorporate into the religious context what is a matter of style analogy but really it's very much a sense it would have saved somebody ah but because it's not because of the lyrics it serves up quite a different function this is why there is a great deal of farm of cost and repertory being added to the er to embalm the music and to that extent i was so that even when you don't have all i've seen this happen are in the largest

cities of southern brazil silence all things in brazil that i've seen no among the religious ceremonies been carried were record in our nice to say that we're the specific songs that you a specific gods and of course they know what it was it was actually used those and it was simply use the record if there's nobody to play the drums or two seconds or so that's all to like stand that's a musical which is not really which has been commercialized as everything else out of the room on the witches been commercialized with that that's a particular music has a definite religious function but however the whatever the origin of the visit may be interim of composition and individuals composing under copyright which you write for the rituals why we talk about the continuum of the religion's dealing with the african elements and each

and hell as you go along towards the wonder how these things are lost first or so it is definitely in the west african arabs are especially what we call you ruled out land and arm and the farm people all thought was one east used to be the home a which is now the republic this is where we should we should look for the source of our vehicles popular religious in brazil as though i don't call him by with folk religion or some people do feel that there is a backer bad connotation intimate concert that i don't particularly like the popular religion in the sense that they are non christian religion primarily and this is always an african heritage bowles religions all days on the buggy the very basic concepts all fall off you're obama thought gee notice that the

very cause of this is simply this that destiny of man really is the hand and the head of the gods but so what's a man is not a passive agent in front of the destiny man i can and and should do whatever is needed to influence the decision of a particular god in any aspect of his or her life all the elements of the very african elements are still very much we came in and saw bill's most african cult groups which in the arab it of those are what we call the condo made to get to and the the condo maybe jay z or disease inaugural called group and also the condom leya kong long ball on something interesting about this is to audit in the history of the of those religions in brazil there has been a definite cultural dominance all three are about people which is the only area or brazil

thought that one finds that particular dominates because otherwise it would be the young ball i am the conga bass entire book for black girl african culture but sosin to dominate in all the areas all four of them for lack of about a trembling what we call afro brazilian culture this has seen particularly in the fact that even though the people of all those descendants of congo along all the origin odd have a simulated the whole belief system of the yoruba to such an extent that today recognize the audiobook pantheon which is obviously not present in africa itself so i'm already the area have sold intro intertribal i got a ration taken place so oh doing this they returned a coin appear in brazil to bring about this type of insurance from the euro by what could you mention a couple of things that that set the congo

angulo people us apart same belief systems elite at least in than the original african elements were your orders weren't where we were set them apart it's primarily off the whole mythical stories behind each particular art got sick obviously are you do have our names of course on a different names different languages correspond to a given god because most of those guard represent forces of nature for example there are some similarities into more for the overall cost you fall of man and boy is really basically and into the whole mythical stories behind and he attributes all for each particular god that you would find out very busy difference what it was it was not the case as you in brazil for example the same attributes are given

the two gods in say keep on the language which is not oppose so it's words is quite different from the obama for language it the same attributes will begin to be to god to the same god's wall are easily in the african area that saw the cases brought by drew brees i mean such thing as the specific curve callers associate with would god specific or prayers or geeky specific food social be offered to the garden soulful now going back to that continuum that you're talking about they get up off it saw its important to realize that that he knew about influence be seen primarily in the hierarchy of gods as in the actual practice in belief systems are one thing for zappos it's a recognition of float about some goal and that and the other ma some more the god of wealth

under on the one hand and the gods about the lao or shell out about the creation of the other rebels rather recognized by the kong long rallies people off oh no idea whether they were originally part of their tribal culture in africa not as something interesting also is that the fact that they had developed very much a similar type of music repertory to call for that there are ceremonies in praise of god another thing of gaza which no one would find this by many would be a similar arturo the difference but so one that is very close to maintain in brazil and those are specific element so far all for religious practices that are scene where we talk about those days a look at two of those reasonable people can one wall a people that is primarily the use of farm all for ritual of

dancing in the ceremony of the initiation yeah i practice at and most important because the very cause of a spirit possession a sport all fall all religious fulfillment ok and you wonder what i'm a little bit further and from that high enough we need to even since we for talked about and under you weren't making connecting connecting ok nothing interesting and gentle thought one we go along the continuum line the appropriation process can be seen for example with the whistle welcome the magic bubble grow them gobble going portuguese simply mean the rubble or loosely speaking as a peasant personnel for that of airing at the cards in my mail the results were why it's an indian or black and indian that could be

called a local and so were the ideas come amid rubble because it is that national by nationalistic brazilian counterpart off the african aspect of religion and of course and the government had trouble or you find auto it's still very vague even in the minds of the believers but to do fine bubbly systems and recognition of thought of at all engine elements or these elements of indian origin the cobbled wasn't cell becomes a god they do not refer to the gods as we shout as a time using uber for the god are also dune which is a gem museum longer just in the fall people up for the gods but they talk about the gobble gobble prove they're here for example is one type of god to what extent of course of those indian belief system and medford been incorporated through on the republic we don't really know in austin chronicle perspective of this are closer kerry and then the whole cultural history

behind this has never been reconstructed what they are elements for example internal follow the practices elements that one could dead as being perhaps search engine elements of some religious observation that you so for small for example what we call before maslow i could be related to engine off in june a religious practice as opposed to well it was a local african practice them the wall in terms of false interim of initiation also the degree are far i would say this as a generalization in that is that the more african a particular religious group years ago maurer as a cleric godbee call the initiation phase will be and also the longer the initiation narrow period what what that will be i was also this move my seat again of the more

culturally the group is the more flexible the rules for initiation seemed to be seen by this phrase all that i've made mention of the simple example was in some commonly called i'm gonna lay groups and it is just a meticulous area to also fifteen was completed the scene a third and some luck on the magic of local this will be only a two week period in the show an awards the dog mountain the dog was off the more cultural groups in to be much less well the farm then those off the more traditional and african and regional cult groups as well let's talk for a minute about the hall

matter of sync with his own one of the no you know i'm talking about a us attorney but of start out with maybe a short definition of what that means because a lot of people may not know but and then go into two why we're pursuing this week started to sink that's in the law the time signatures and is used to know almost as a synonym for a recent incident called a level four with the call to ration and that is that when you have close to two two cultures of different margin in contact there are many elements of their cultures there are going to fuse so to speak and this fusion of local two elements is what does refer to a stigmatism in the case of religion of course it's religion is a call for four ghost to use a time there

was a very dear to herskovitz nineteen forty thirty and forties while non american anthropologist because religion is a cultural focus we going to find that elements of flowed different religions will be queues anika is off of brazil also has gone from countless is on the one hand and the african all the african kente on and the african belief system high art you got on the other not just a place for example people would say that i've been to believe that because we we find a centering an early in brazil but in in cuba and you know as in predominantly catholic a former colonies this so sync with his mother called fruition between catholic elements on the one hand african elements of being perhaps so more fall

much easier to occur because of work in the minds of the believers of some kind of analogy they made between the saints jesus god hierarchy and the supreme being and the only saw a hierarchy on the other hand you know as a positive protestant christian the nominations since there's no recognition of sciences such people would not be able to associate of arias multiple also the shah's are gods lesser deities if you want with the the science so that in effect so when you talk about four equal to blow all brazil each of the euro for the african god has been recognized and sympathized with catholic sites and indeed the actor the attributes of the attributes of a specific art science will be more as the same as that all african god for example in the case of

sun warms up about whether emerging cuba songs along so all of the the whole mythical story or sometime purely starkel evidence that we have of a live a particular site will be reinterpreted by that the people i still have to fit a particular story or with the er the myth and the legend associate with a is a specific african gone this is this the centers of the elements of all full of separatism ok now now that we know what it is why was that why did we were sort of this in brazil or walk when their reasons i mean obviously there were for political reasons or the idea of trying to to fool the mast or something we're not really i think that i think it is at first most

likely this is purely pure speculation on my part at first i would say that what we have is an accommodation definitely is social social historical accommodation by this i mean for example obviously the first slaves that there were brought over to brazil were put in incumbent right immediately within the christian religion which was to reform to them and really mean anything but because this was an imposition on them they are they are busy without rejecting all from getting beyond gotten own religious beliefs they are the ten cut from truitt for us as an accommodation to try to recognize so within the imposed religion elements that could be a particularly suited to their own dog was as such of course the i think it's a recognition of the site of the saints and the legalization

of the science where the african or shall make sense so at first it may have been simply not so much a recognition of these brutal power of the catholic saints what's the harm and not even the recognition of the saints per se but simply an accommodation to say because all of the social political pressure on the south into very slavery condition but lay on biden was fueled this process takes place of over the previous centuries was embedded on is to say today the perspective that we have i am convinced myself of that brought people now they start to disagree ties by this or that they do recognize that the church the official tour the catholic church as well as they do recognize it on a cult groups and i and in their mind there is no contradiction between one and the other

and that was said this is very much the same thing in haiti the french anthropologist of mcallen is a study of haitian voodoo say precisely that he heard several times asian presence tell him that in order to to be a good catholic you have to be first a good voodoo observer an award so i get in the mind of all most people are at in brazil is exactly a sentence there's no contradiction whatsoever part of the opposite that the causes been shown that because of the slavery imposition this living conditions people of african descent have had to hold on to their religious values and as such they have bought maintain the spirit of religion reps much more alive yours it's an orange racing driver that injured than the western quarter percentage image they're much more open to

two things that was something i want to get into is the vitality of the religion as opposed to it's a western christianity which is is by most people practice once a week say on sunday for an hour mass or is this all the african based religions that were talking about seem to be much more a part of a person's life and the spirits or the orders show us we'll talk about those in a minute but these are things that are dealt with every day in an appeal to land and yes i think it's our well this is a very much of a of an african you what religion is about to say that i don't share the view of call marks about religion and that is that the more miserable of tupelo press people are at being the more they had to resort to religion a sort of

salvation i don't believe that i believe that quite the opposite that calls for continuity is so is always a sure bye by religious continuity was because of course of all of the africans especially of course the are that we'll talk about which is what i know but i know there's no doubt that really just as a cultural focus dictates the hole odd behavior of man as you say it as a vitality while but they all religious have liked it but thought it dictates every single step all the ones lost an award so there's no doubt that whether it's for important to susie allies such as to undertake a trip or to get into a new commercial venture i ought to get married or whatever you know as important elements alfaro wants lifecycle there's no doubt that they are going to consult the gods to find out our weather they seem to

be part of this and to be a good appeared to undertake such they are not with so this form for the suits but also for a very small decisions for almost every day ah sort of follow a very routine job of life on people will also consult the got milk assad the body count the sick are before they even go and see a medical doctor our city is it is an all pervading our element of law sets up an ad edition of religion really dictates the job behavior while inauguration our western civilization one could say that of the same thing we'll kirk what is perhaps less visible by this that mean that all although all religions do have a moral code and you're suppose if you're a good religious person you're supposed to follow the moral code within your everyday life as well and in your interaction with

people is awful lot of this is very much the same way a way far would offer was in a religious one is the a much more visible because they are resorts to talk the consultation of the god constantly and one of the points i would like to make with this program is to point out to people who may not be aware of it that these religions are not just rights of black magic and witchcraft but are in fact positive religions which do have an effect on people's lives for the better for me to better your life or without without harming other people necessarily lot of fear that this is one of the basic function of religion in any type of society reason only briggs about some social order but it's also brings about so really works toward the well being of the individual within the society

and in this respect all thing that's often so called primitive our religion or in our religion in primitive societies are any different they do work for the integration of the individual and the group and their work for the betterment of fog of that individual there's no doubt about it it's also be blessed talk about black magic or because so awful lot of misunderstanding and was simply to our male agents through ignorance all thought what are the exactly the the religious practices of the use of rico the the ritual use the blog has been one thing that's been looked upon as being very primitive elements of the society such shows something that is repulsive and so for once on why i think that if you understand the concept all fall well the very concept of the

mythical world by west africans them all fit in into place very and very nicely everything is logical within specific concept and i mean in a way this is meant to be yeah for the destruction of the individual or any such negative are the ideal black magic of course are the very traumatic for one thing it's so is very thing misapply really there's no there's hardly any magic taken place and the level of fall of sale for witchcraft for european witchcraft crisis it's quite a different matter and well you talk a little about bloody might mention our mission something about what the purpose of using blood is what we end the concept of of life ending might mention something about the afterlife or something but yes go into these things yesterday home for us that one has to go into very cassella want a god

or a gaffe a mythical entity might be amid the quantity of four west africans and of course for afro brazilians or cumin for that matter is very much the same thought it's obviously something that has to be personified by words a mythical entities is always an abstraction but how that abstraction takes concrete diamonds and when it becomes personify and that prison education dick's boys precisely true question of spirit possession by this it was a person that is being initiates into the colt art is being is being always been an issue too bought a particular route and the function of the person would have the coat would be to literally personified rubs and the god to spirit possession so it suits same thing as what psychologists call a sort of double personality was split personality

of course went to what he thought of initiation phase that's simply to condition people to get into that stage say what brought in order for any type of request story type of flow communities with a god for this to be possible ritual of offering links to take place and all an abstraction has to be brought down through the very symbol of life and what is the best symbol of life if not running log blog is of course the essence of life is why they will offer our blog and to animal sacrifice primarily of course to vote those guards was it's i can use it to me that a very crude the very cause of the mythical entity will take concrete

value for the believers are not only true spirit possession but also to the offerings so in a sense a blog becomes simply a symbol all fall of life fate of an awards it it helps to operate a transformation from the abstract level to the more concrete the presence of the god given sound one which takes place in the spirit possession of the meat that's the wall already bought it as being broad initiated the enormous know what so reading issues news about is simply too discipline whatsoever that so spirit possession my mind it might be so it's really it's so it's a conditioning is it's a psychological condition and that also created jews of social expectations and i think in the main point though is that the ritual sacrifices not a negative thing with a very positive again once again return to

them a very positive practice in the religion borja also here and partner forces watchers most people have had very negative reaction as drew oh the ritual as sacrificing of animals in and they look at this as being cruelty and so for four and forth on one level and what you might be thought as being cruelty by on another level it's still more the total level it's quite different you know in a catholic mass the symbol of lies bryden want their words are representative of the flesh of jesus on the one hand and his blog so that the very top the very symbols are there are not the actual prison as jack ripper president obama's of the symbols are there too so i don't see that there's any any negative

feeling in any way about that can we talk for a minute about the young the basic structure of the belief system in other words my impression is that it's a monotheistic that this the western african religions are basically monotheistic and in fact what are referred to as gods are not really gods but intermediaries much like same area where the any of the saints and that's maybe that has something new with its appeal so much to does the guy what level what level of consideration one looks at this thought there's no knowledge so there is a recognition among most black religions up today although supreme human being i was a grim past being a separate entity yeah so in this sense of this could be equated with the god with a big capital g alfaro of christian religion and dog indeed

our wonk say that so whenever workers are the less a level all is simply you only saw themselves so our translators god but they are lesser deities that certain charm of years it's a victory in the supreme being a man with something interesting is a tennis has been shown by most people don't read a study on the west african religion is the fact that there is not a special called for the supreme being an awards are the supreme being is definitely an abstraction and hours nobody is initiated into the cold all fall on or apps to be the name of the supreme being familiar with people alt a zombie and so for a student that is of gaza's equated in all such sinker to stick study as being god said they'll push most important but thought it's it's not we are and the idea that perhaps are very much the same over the

supreme being above course a gem of christian religion one supposedly prays to god of arizona suppose the true abstraction of the mind they're supposedly has some kind of communication with the supreme entity not among the africans more in africa is a direct communication is with that lesson the eighties wood are very numerous and as such of course as you say this is why people have gotten so primitive resolve our liabilities take because of that but i really do have you know the concept of the basic camps is one of low moral plays an inch around and jams all three of the major entity because small well all of the religious sect of ceremonies and rituals are meant to be some kind of communication with the lesser deities were them are with the supreme entity so basically the the supreme dvr or loan is sort of

plays the creator role as role at his position is as creator and as the supreme force let's say was the true but he's not because he's so far removed from from humanity that he can be appealed to directly observe it and there's no way that there can be a direct appeal lot we simply not even a matter of four can sign up other at the political level i mean there's never nichols acacia know any calm and the specific request made sure zombie army such disagreement it seems that i'd read somewhere that that him in fact there are some indications not liturgical maybe but just in day to day life you might say all along oh yes that's always say oh god only bad but there you find it in west africa seen this in nigeria when i was there of years ago that the total is invoked it at

almost every day and all the streets if i praise on the buses in a literally buses in lagos so kerry also so far more goes in invoking in the middle of june one way or the other so it is an abstraction by years though there's not an organized court such groups is a printing but he has acknowledged that there is left of the other's existence of courses or was it no stop for a minute about cuban versus brazil let's aim for what seo how do the cubans or has that the approach to all this in cuba differ from brazil how are they say miller let's say in the bassoon craig aspect of artillery shots basically sink because with the same saints and i know in some instances they aren't others they are well i

think that there are much more more similarities than there are differences between cuba cuba and the religious groups and resilient a popular religious groups the arctic that the seminars actually very striking in the sense that so it really shows a common background common stock cold cereal culture nature between the two areas especially and talk about specifically the area wallace that sam talk about their cult group known as a local me oh foiled form of cuba the walls are descendants of four of the yoruba and of course the body an area involved in brazil are more so than any other so the similarities are striking a sense that the same types of farm the same type or four ceremonies are observed interim of initiation into more for purification

communion a funeral ceremonies social ceremonies and the very the hold no mythological are concepts the mythological stories that whole mythology really is basically the signs of a zika beliefs are very much alike that it shows a very common origin thought was what has changed are and solve the differences ochre us but i would say pro possibly has to be calm the local history of the local ethanol history all thought of christian religion in those areas and as we don't know very much about to be able to ascertain oh why certain types of fought all times for his opera does appear to sundown african drums it does appear in cuba would be retained in brazil ah law i was sometimes the spanish times a lot of

being substituted in the charitable and and ritual language then in a reason for alarm say this because it's well known that so you'll buzz a ritual languages been maintained and coat a pure pure form in brazil and it has in cuba yet of course so moore's cuban song so do whatever that regard so are still sign an eight major only turtle quote ritual language which is supposed to be awful combines with a great deal of work of alteration but something interesting phrase i want to just do an example in brazil the term bubble our riches are your times may mean so a diviner somebody you would knows a divination game and knows all the story behind it the nation while and

cue by the same time bob allow all of the grants that does not mean specifically a diviner what he means is extend that to army in the cult leader said while in the real results you're the traveler copy that is bob ali shah or the father of your show and this is why porter is we call it by the sound glow wears a man all mine to some point isn't a woman but jody eddy babar it means father maurice arguably the father leary so what this jumbo oversized been lost in in cuba of course has been really is bluffing and your weather bobby orr my views but pitino my big enough but it's about the same idea get you can see that within the terminology you can see already some influence over the catholic culture of having a godfather so in cuba it's basically the same cultural origins as in

say by eel which is the your work well because you do have also agreed and i've got i also know that some intertribal at alteration took place in cuba but was so we know this new study of remember these in the depravity of a million such people but at that point the troop tribal about race different effects are on the other different cult groups for example i don't know that areas and cities such equivalent in cuba as a seasonable or the youtube up and follow a religious sergeant as we find a culture that in by ian yet they do have a car but what i would say perhaps equivalent in cuba are all the colored bubble perhaps to be about why people in the un let's see what else can talk about it so the

i'll talk about cuba what about haiti in on this general overview of we know haiti and the people that settled over that eventually settled in haiti voluntarily or otherwise or from different cultural regions of africa as a more less correct and so there they are blending is is very different from the other two areas from work to a certain extent yes but maybe in distant and terminology and it was yes because one thing for sure that either one has dug into a godly at nau history are all each of those areas and obviously at is her quite a definitive history from lubbock you one thing it was was colonized though closer first lost that his element was aboard the artwork was a fringe element of influence much more than spanish and assess the very need for that element of the creole language in haiti is one thing that you don't

find in the hispanic or moves will prevail the colonies in our body until of haiti i think that others made out of haiti thought primarily year has said that the air all the african for culture as to see that particular area of sorrow and our home a pop that is a bit of dignity because as you are the former kingdom of pablo made all the area are dire in south and south west and only the whole voodoo area which is where this particular character now may come from is really what has provided the very basic source of wrote really do so and that system has retained in haiti much more so than any other cultural african group and god there's a scene for example of course and they do do do recognize also occasionally some law

euro but time for our they've got one for example is a win win was the god of god of war as a warrior but also got metal on iran's is known as i am and all in creole to be french to jump through kaya just mean that our banal pieces of our russell you could see that saw all of that he attributes it be maintained that may be the language the development of the creole language minutes of show there's such as readily as the maintaining also follow the all regional african chat let's go over one other thing that we can cut offer today to talk about the role of of men and women and let's get specific and well maybe nine specifically to the brazilian

calls that maybe even in cuba if it's similar what what role do men play what role women play the importance of women i know is in brazil at least is as cult leader more so the man yelled was your five that they have there been many a cult leaders are very popular a well known local leaders in recent history both brazil and cuba that have been man all the one i was mentioning earlier it was in local mayors want all but by large of a good service or for a metric for korean patient use are a lot of charm all for west african society has been maintained npr social organization all for the er of the new world really does so groups allowed this is also has to do perhaps with farm well with

the role that man play in society at large is because of man awkward pauses in a typical latin and catholic the country the man is supposed to be the provider for the families generally has to soucek a jawbone there could hardly ought to do all his attention and divided attention that so the call center always need more talk i don't look at this so a lot of focus to be the result of such practical considerations i think that that particular focus come primarily from the royal the metaphorical orientation other american society others know about that recent history of the somalia that the major are copies of being female talk about middle c on top of your show but for charlotte's other one called groupon they're important

area of armenian meant a lot they're all all women and their influence extends was much much beyond much much beyond their own are the limits of their own call center in nineteen more fraught and other level of course of any shoots into the gulf something that there are also more women in issue into the color they are men are and the result of and the reason for this so it's something that still needs to be investigated so what's all bob by larger thing that perhaps so what was it about seventy percent of the activities although the typical center really isn't the hand all full of women manage was to play an important role as a drum others for example students are dramas have a high social status but within the cult but top according at

least two more the more orthodox sets of rules of the dramas have to be a man and a woman is not supposed to touch a drop and wannabes because ritualized what men also have all the important function for example the animal sacrifice or is generally a man also and of course to become the official sacrifice of a cult or you need to go through a series of fraud all flows soulful ceremony to recognize in confirming that did the responsibility but the same thing goes for drama and drummers also confined there they go through confirmation ceremony the men also have an important role in and the cult house a visible to bring calm means of support for local house and this is where you find that many of the russell crowe guards was sort of seal

protectors jelly on that batman including that may not have been an issue all into the goals but they do have and they do hold official position women bills they are the providers if you want to the outside world of support for the cult of center and patrons so the patrons booed pages with the not so inactive a passive patrons but patrons so they're very very active participation with immigrant could you apply the same what you just said about brazil could you play that a cuban businesses are claimed or as a cyanide again sell him or storing arms our cult leaders in cuba this in recent history diaries to israel remained within the last thirty or forty years a team the women talk but again our autumn or not above local history offered them a

dozen area or evening when obama the local media history to really know whether this sexual a division of roles within the colts is that we have in brazil is equally applicable to cuba i do know of course that initiate so on also predominantly female but to what extent of course the sins favours are polluted the same patrons all godfather's a row would also be a rollout soon by males is one thing that was on a lot of critics and myself into its fourth year you will and take off