A Word on Words; 3031; Dr. Sylvia Rimm

don johnson you know once again welcome to world words our guest dr silvia rim bestselling author the new book how jane one welcome to world words have eighty one has greatly heavier and it's great to talk about this so this book is really the second in a series of books and i don't know what you expected when you interviewed a thousand women and asked them about how they became successful but what did you expect you would build a soloist and drum solos copies were people all over the country we talk about it we really now i did that and i had written many books before and they were successful total of fourteen write none of them had become near times bestsellers and i didn't even anticipate that as part of my career live it down was groundbreaking research says that i heard oprah winfrey say that's the mayor the turks say and down and i hit the board you say

they were not in and bought them and bought that book see jane when and then loan bowen you gamers how game on this book how game on and this is the story of fifty five success for him not just about their methodology and you and your daughter really conducted these interviews that's right and sometimes we interviewed them together and sometimes we interview them individually and it was a very natural outgrowth of seeking win because you see jane when we had a lot of data that we put together to give advice two parents of girls but we also had a lot of stories we didn't have enough room to put in to see jane when and the story's really emphasize the individual differences there the variation in paths us see jane weigh in and decide the scenes so the themes continued in the stories but the samba variation permits every woman every young

girl to identify with someone in this book we earlier books include how to turn as her children will or raising preschoolers for your grandsons on and into that very early on her lap bright kids get poor grades that's not my ground and you never will but now when will i began to look at at this book and the first question again on and so eventually the mall and solicited emerges quite clearly than you do recognizes a woman yourself as professionals of that there are in today's world special challenges special barriers some quite high depending on

where young girl begins with a young woman then goes that women must therese in order to fix this really are barriers but in some ways that wasn't my initial motivation you see on my books that i've written for parents and teachers about children were all about motivating kids so they would achieve and what happened during our generation was it armed opportunities opened up for women all when i was a child it is soon that women couldn't be executives and this is i assume that there were never be any women in government women couldn't play and symphony orchestras women couldn't take intelligent roles in the media and things have changed so dramatically while i was growing up and i was absolutely exhilarating excited about the opportunities that open up for women a while there's still glass ceilings and there are still many

obstacles the exciting operas opportunities out there mainly want to inspire girls and women to become what they could become well and i think that these fifty five stories do get that message across the other thing i was interested in finding was really similarities there are as elwood reid once or another star love the story so pop off the page shakespeare may using how many of these women and someone very early reduced shakespeare are two readings on the glasgow reading in ballet and ballet turned up three four times mary tyler moore more than once i've found young women

spend those early days watching mary tyler more cheerleaders in beauty queens more than a few of the grains swell carried out of altogether but when i weld jane paul ii for example within the court and she didn't make it as surely there should try this yearly she met but you did get in the beauty court but never got to the point why i am i was interesting about all land but i was also interested in them different backgrounds and so these women came backgrounds in minority communities and in life was very very top wilma mankiller ask as successive exactly exactly wanton turns out to be a national international educator becomes a millionaire states congress and makes a great contribution i thought it might not be bad idea if

we sort of talked about women and support on emerging juan let's talk about jj baldy ok well jane story was a she tried out as a paid cheerleader and didn't make it and her teacher terri will find out took her side and said so jane what else do you have to do on a saturday when she joined the debate team so on jane wasn't all that interested in debate but sure enough he said ok i'll try it and she became a counseling winning debater and she had never experienced winning before she was actually exhilarated excited and knew that somehow that debate would lead her to a career now incidentally should i heard about someone who used to be a debate against her and he said it was formidable there was no chance you could win when she was on the team so really seeing directly attributes her success to her debate coach to listing how she so traces her career from the

first television station where she knew absolutely nothing but learn very fast with a quick study and she said that it is abating probably had something do it became very adept at age sixty seven minutes might need some light on everything we're very self deprecating statement that is made and then she goes to a larger stations and from where she is bought by nbc one of the well she was woman protestor of the year not too long ago and and now as they're only a very personal experience with jane is she's the first person who interviewed me on the today show was you know very first time amazon and down i am forever thankful for her reassurance the first allies on national television was very exciting alice want to achieve in the book because she is

she was a role model for an awfully awfully young women who are interested in careers in the animation wilma mankiller who for ten years was youth charities just happens to be a very close friend of mine now and ugh ah but you know as she talks a little about herself so you don't we love of a friend of his had no idea about those years and seven sisko where they were when they were uprooted from oklahoma moves and siskel thrust into maybe a project that was supposed to mr mark and coming from a world where her name was respected their values were respected going to a world where she was teased an end and made fun of because her name was dan keller and people had no understanding of her her cultural background but with the in that world out there in california there was a wonderful always says for her the indian cultural center and within that

always says she saw women take charge take leadership and they were original role models for her so in the long run she she made some difficult adjustments but she didn't experience with leadership there is billy reluctant to be the chief human nature to scour a seniors only woman who's ever been on the only had to do with the prejudice against women and and truly it was those years in the late sixties early seventies that the women's movement really inspired her to believe that she had something to say and of course her message in the book was a message to native american girls to do something positive to take responsibility to take leadership he came at it isn't the senator from texas is there is another wonderful case study a ballet jump off the page at me i mean i had i had no idea that the city had done

the unearthly dancers a very important message from kate kay bailey hutchison and sandra day o'connor on both of them graduated at the top of their law school class and neither could get it out exactly i thought that was it really wasn't a tragic commentary about the times the times and it's amazing how much the times have changed i mean it was tough for k mean she had to fight to get elected she lost and she remembers at how he got into this whole business on she couldn't find a job and says she didn't know what to do and she just backed into the driveway of a tv station went to the director of news she didn't know him and said could i have a job and he said you haven't experienced it he said not at all you just amazing know good luck you can get a job

and an author's book television were looking for a lawyer that's right end and she she worked with the texas legislature and got into the texas legislature and an entirely new career and out what a lender who is an attorney couldn't get a job out of law school you know in her message was when everything the worst things happen to you it might turn out to be the best thing the fish she start her own law practice and five years after she started a practice she was way ahead of a young man who got jobs she had been a law firm to broaden buried there struggling virginia struggling for a partnership and then i say whoa are a better job and i think this is an awfully important message for women was that she could move her job a rail school pointless and watching your kids do shows and can still be a professional the love you just tuning in now a doctor dr xavier him about her new book how jane one end and there's so many i mean there's so many role model james in this

book and you mentioned senate o'connor who is indeed another woman whose rise has been spectacular but you know that must've been moments when she had no i the issue would be worn nine and the first woman marta lived through war i i don't think it was possible for women of her age to envision that possibility and actually several of the women in our book asked women to envision that marnie evans was an admiral in the navy has now where executive director girl scouts usa and cady coleman who was an astronaut both of them say if you need to engage in yourself in roles that are now only held by men and understand that as women it is possible for us to take those roles and of course they had to do that when he was growing up when i couldn't

be astronauts women couldn't be had roles in the navy you have to as you're the minister of the environment and eileen collins story commanders face commander eileen whelan serious wonderful average kid who wanted to fly and at high school graduation said to herself i could've worked harder in school and was determined pay your own way to community college worked hard down that she was a lot smarter than she thought she was then of course joined the air force and the first has she flung western edge and tears and you know what she did at all does canceling it just turned out absolutely but she passed envisions a lot of an annual human interest element of having to tell the story in their own words were that idea come from i think it's because it's the way women talk to each other that my daughter and i decided we need to make it a talking book because it really feels like eileen collins he's talking to you jane pauley is talking to you and so they weren't really

talking to sarah and myself they were talking to the readers and noticing that there are appalling and phrases that are both based on the type of her job and said buzzwords young cultivated me but but there are sensors and sometimes the short term are rights that jungles of a judge impose when they make a point you know we'll make it by putting what they symbolize write it seemed to me that they were making a very important important point and sometimes a boldface points were actually messages they got from someone else but because they were so important to meddle in their lives i thought they might be pivotal in our readers lives let's talk about two other people from different backgrounds both from relative a little mormon colonies background affluent but but but on loan

but during her family did some money and atrocious tour of his funeral parlor and her grandfather his lesson tour was the journal first of pennies in the larger the nomination corps and one or so i get a while you well you know the work ethic was there and have a work ethic as they are that's the emails work ethic as there are in every one of them i thought it was interesting in her case aldo ray sinaloa to blame work of wanting to get out now watch this you know shh to chicago and finds you know kids your own tough time in education doesn't get out of our army once again and that was making it difficult and so she starts early screw and does well with incomes nationally known as once over the optimistic their education brazilian turns it

down an hour is moving on by the children of the most evocative milliseconds store and they are shakespeare again this is delighted as shakespeare and about writing kids shakespeare and how important message was that she was an excellent student and she's very competitive as a state and she would have the best grades but what she really wanted was for all those children she taught they have the best grades for them to feel smart and and she was able to prove that it was doable there was nothing wrong with getting kids to maybe came from inner city schools and teaching them to feel smart to accomplish and she really has accomplished france's bezos gave an affluent background and they're always serves a novel follows a lawyer her mother and it has to this point and someone and then she didn't jewelry only care one

pound something else but what a wonderful story as you note that tell us you did well frances bayless mother told her she had a major in home economics because that's what women other than the divide that we love and all of them but even as a child she was an artist with charcoal or chalk she was always drawing and always doing your art but she basically was a child for time's and so she went into teaching because she says she didn't want to stay home it just waste your time and she could do teaching to her art and teaching but then at age sixty two she went to the institute of art in cleveland and studied photography and now in her seventies she goes into our ticket in temperatures that are seventy degrees below zero she hangs around on the ice until she gets to know the penguins and then takes these marvelous pictures with cameras that like a provides for her especially for those cold temperatures what an exciting

moment when an exciting moment she is and i should mention here obviously i was looking out over the book holy women talk is any detail about the spouses she i think she i think makes the greatest poet and an entirely and said lola wood that's right and me though that are alive there and ears jane it and mentions without saying really is gary trudeau marrying primary on the marrying kind she said and she's the only solo one of ariel marilyn you've greater number three kids improve if only there were a lot of the women who talked about their spouses or charlotte i fell

onto their devices resin in tnt have procter and gamble talked about how she had learned so far has been not to be so hard on herself i thought france's brought the references go the reason she stands out in my mind is that it did seem to me she really gives him a great deal of credit for later life evolution and development and today artists and part of you maybe in many others in ramallah like to live near the college and it was and she was married had three children that her husband said go to college and undid a lot of work with the kids to make it possible for to go to college and go to law school so they routinely are a lot of support of husbands and that does make a tremendous difference the other side of the twenty first century life that we wouldn't look at forty thirty twenty

ten years ago as gay lifestyle and i wondered where it would show up and the courts it did yes we don't really know what percentage i suppose you know the film on the society around i had a doubt two percent in the see jane when bach than that mentioned specifically that they were homosexual but that doesn't necessarily mean that that's a percentage that were in lee in in the total population and we lost you know we don't know what they are but it was interesting how it came up here and it's not a dominant dominant well part of her story wasn't word deep in the story before she rarely mentioned and she really was heterosexual or she determined that she was lesbian and that was her sexual preference and down and she even mentioned the relationship that she had been in where women had

was homeless actual first and then became metrosexual so i think that did so some ministers and thinking about the exploration the pressures of sexuality that do take place are for gay women talk about her her group of i think that's another she was struggling for an identity in more ways and wanted me in their parents' word her mother was not very helpful and wars have a problem when i think that was that was most of what she identified with her mother so she saw her mother is a good role model but that was a very bad marriage a very very bad divorce and so initiate she really did struggle finding out who she was i think that that was much harder for her views i'd like to but i forgot that was

the worry it's it's a mixed lafarge an eagle fighter jets you talk about love about things that are helpful support parents hey you found that private schools of our religious schools well for your message there is where where you are you can make it doesn't make an agreement without a eight percent of the women in seeking when went to public schools but compared to the rest of population we didn't have five times as many women that went to independent schools and five times as many women that went to parochial schools and the typical population so it seems to me that our all are possible in i mean whatever school you go to you can make it

but it certainly is a plus for the the private and parochial schools well you found you don't love you've done these two books and you found unicef fifty five a hero's among a thousand heroes are fifty fire island pardon my political incorrect us along a thousand gallons what's next for you in euro dorado doesn't work or linux book together resort to you are they started another book and this one is target for girls and doing this one on my own because my daughters are busy with their careers and raising their kids and i'm paying targeting out of books eating win for girls for girls from grades three through about seven and i'm taking the findings from see jane when and putting them in simple language and examples and quizzes dan and are the kinds of thinking that they can do so they could start early to dare

to dream to value their education to understand how to develop their interests and find out what's important to them to function in competition many of the kinds of things that these women have given us i can now pass on to young girls out in a in a way that's readable and you note that many of our successful women read a lot and girls tend to read a lot less book is wonderful for grooms young women but also for parents yes talk about when we talk about that for a moment because her and sometimes don't understand that they're not supporting us i think it's important for parents to see the language that the parents of these women used in communicating to them and that's why sometimes i even you included quotes from parents and what it really emphasizes that parents make a tremendous difference your

daughters and your sons remember what you say even if they roll back their eyes of it when you say it they hear your messages so don't hesitate to give those good messages and set those positive expectations as coaches not judges well we've been talking to dr silvia room we run out of time about her book how jane want to thank you so much thank all of you for watching world words and johnson in the law reading