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and now from nashville public television's do a celebrated authors literature and ideas for more than three decades but this is a word on workers with jobs hello i'm john sigg and welcome once again to award on words my guest today is jan baran is a longtime contributor to the records collectors publication coal mine coal mine magazine and he claims the beatles or the ones who first got him into music since he was a natural life is what it happens celebrates the life of the former beatle from his job done there is a diamond that to critical look at his music with a purse or innocence from fans celebrities recalling london's impact on the lions five hundred photographs rare images john <unk> word on words thank you pleasure to be here is going to talk

to you you about lenin and the beatles had any four day he was you're both common on in so far as my son generation and my grandson's generation but i would have to say that noble idea but it went away in journalism when they came on the scene good ending the blank and inhale and wonder where they were going and who these kids weren't why were they back and liverpool and what's the secret what is the secret to their success well there's a few different things one thing is here in america the sort of came around at the right time february nineteen sixty four just a few months after john f kennedy was assassinated so the country was joined morning and people think that you know maybe the country was looking for a way to kind of break out of its

doldrums to be happy again actually look forward to feel sort of came along at the right time and start a revolution really got a cultural musical and a lot of other ways as you're telling audiences as we go along though me photographs from these five on unique and wonderful images that will flash on the screen so that we can share with our viewers and a genuine and look it's raining and comment on anything near the sale that it was a no orders fauna what's up there right now actually i was just up there was one that was taken on a fateful day it was john lennon playing at a church carnival basically in liverpool in nineteen fifty seven and that was the day that jon met paul mccartney own livers are certainly a very historic day and it looked through the book recently realized there were once five in that band man people won't say well what happened and what had happened to him well stuart sutcliffe was a good friend of

john is from art school john lennon's aunt wasn't really much of a musician but when joan rivers such buddies john want him in the band so he sort of sort of learn how to play the bass that's how he started out and was so shy and so unsure of himself a lot of times he played with his back to the audience as he didn't want to mess up didn't want the audience to see him and then later how paul took over based duties and that swims to cuddle up the band went to study or continue his studies that are our college was a very very acclaimed artist and the bookings from introduction and they're these wonderful quote your excerpted from various commons john made to go along with your own text then again again i read something he said and what occurred in the law i'll always look for paul mccartney

is the leader of the bow and it occurs to me in bed linen such a deep intellect and maybe it was his full influence more than mccartney's what you say well john started the band there was originally here's another picture we saw earlier i mentioned the day that john paul that was john playing with his group they were called korean at the time and then paul joined the group paul brought along a friend of his from school named george harrison and that's how the beatles began but it was john's group originally and john was the leader and unquestionably the leader and to about nineteen sixty six sixty seven or so and then when the beatles manager brian epstein passed away that's when paul kind of tried to rally the troops and political leadership role john was as interested anymore is he had met yoko ono was more into other things that he was doing and that's important soon the rains and yasser took over more about abstain from an end because seems to me he's been shot a figure always in the

wings as the public looks at the beatles and look at these photographs were even right now our bodies what about it what is the one basically who took them out of the clubs out of the year small clubs in liverpool and then albert where the beatles would drink on stage they would smoke on stage they would swear onstage they wore leather her hair was greasy you know they were they were there for world's first broadband basically just punks and then brian kind of clean them up so to speak and they don't wear suits and they treated me that he was on stage they have done before and sort of cleaned up their image and then you know once that happened here in america you know they sort of took off became a phenomenon that they still are hearing about a young woman first of all his first marriage goes really sort of

obligation to belong and she was built world cynthia ann dunham i have child julian bond during is quoted in this boat goes saying his relationship through their readers relation to do this music that was modern relationship they're right and i guess you couldn't stand the beetle traveling the world admired as he was fans following a world including female friends and maybe that's understandable but what about what about that john and cynthia and those unions well john was an as he admitted in later years an absentee father to julian he wasn't really there he was on tour he was recording he was doing whatever he was doing and quite frankly wasn't interested in raising a child about one of his life it was an unplanned pregnancy and john has even said

been quoted as saying now julie was born out of a bottle of whiskey on a saturday night like so many other people they have been true but obviously that didn't do much for julian self esteem and you know felt cheated in later years as he grew up that he didn't really have that relationship with his dad john tried to re establish a little bit into his teenage years but never really quite got their villages other son shaun was born with yoko ono nineteen seventy five just saw a picture on the screen of the four of them together and obviously after john's death i bought that sense it's fascinating that they came back together and that those in the know say led to concede john in the face of overwhelming interesting to me how yoko so captured his <unk> his psyche him in emission captured

him in ways no males ever had and i'm not sure anybody else could've know she was truly his soul mate and i think that her a nineteen sixty six the beetle years is for storing and the media were kind of winding down a little bit and he was kind of searching for something in his life and he met yoko was a true artist which job was to you know in addition to being a musician he was a performance artist he was a painter he was an author political activists did so much in his forty years but he was gonna searching about foreigners live in your orders came along at the right time and sort of took his mind somewhere else where it hadn't been before and a very interesting dynamic they had a relationship you know i know that my generation so he's foreign kids really come on those same and take american culture both wrote an amendment and shake our society

many of us too many of us lean part was solemn exploding as the drug a preference for a lot of kids john throughout the book in lee's couple places more than that talks about drunks about and then it ended and for the first time i understood he clearly he clearly understood what the danger was what the potential of talk about that a little bit goes into maybe an aspect of personality so many people overlook the list well you know a lot of people say it helped fuel his creativity especially around the time of revolver and sergeant pepper albums know they were trying to expand their minds like i said earlier the bills were searching john the other three were kind of searching for something do you let us but given the book yeah yeah and i'm not the first time that taking

lsd nineteen sixty five there is a dentist friend of theirs who gave it to john wayne or to their wives or at a dinner party and the other beatles kind of came in you know came on board without a little bit later john and george were the first ones and john has said you enjoyed taking lsd is to just eat it all the time were his exact words and you know they obviously helped through his creativity in some ways you can listen to tracks like tomorrow never knows from local from revolver strawberry fields forever on the sargent pepper material and you can tell that hope that a person well it seems it's a different person and the person who wrote she loves you yeah yeah yeah so they were growing and you know right or wrong has to say the drugs that help them grow create creatively might not be the best way to go about it without pitch and there are a couple terms in those excerpted quote when he clearly understands that maybe is not

really worth the time certain age on it and was bought says singh sees it as accord in their own cocaine yes he used a couple times now having that come from so the message of the next day yeah you know there's a lot of things that people don't know about john lennon they assume he was a us roughly in there and a guy who always spoke his mind which he was we had really a sort of tender side to have an immediate benefit concerts in the seventies for i am mentally handicapped children he did a lot of charitable work a lot of people didn't know about so you know while the one side of him was the drug taking political activists to have more of a tender side to him too that a lot of people didn't see and what you know really helped shape him making the person who was sent us at the yoko ono only

is it seems to be no real sense of detail corsi daycare but it seems to me that yoko saw and young something she won be part of what the meeting where she'd really know much about the bills or so she says are to believe that there are such a phenomenon but she was really too familiar with the beatles when her and on that and a sort of clicked and in their minds sort of clicked and we just sort of took off from there they were you know to have the whole almost there other quirks and millet and photographs that let you know that they were in some ways a very odd couple very unconventional a cup an anime owns a potentially john maybe less every poll les explore an area

wife we just had a picture of john with amari she then they really solo to all of life i mean they had parents like you know those shows that would say don't don't don't don't they were on their own i'm brian epstein by that time is as pale and i did and it is not there to admonish an audience on that last went were eerily one now most of jordan's show unreal while a less talented and we know it's a different sort of talent no ringo technically might not have been the best drummer in the world and john paul have also there's a different point but he was the best drummer for the beatles he was perfect for the beatles and it's funny if you listen to some of ring goes drumming in sort of isolate that from the rest of the songs it seems very simple and very easy too replicate

but it's not ringo was extremely talented drummer and it's kind of short shrift i think from folks who in other listen to people like ginger baker from kramer keith moon from the hutu are just kind of going crazy all over their dry air you know we're going to do that for the most part but it was far as being the right personality for the group and being a tell the drummer very very now for those who just joining us and gauguin john work about john lennon life is what happens as some titled life is what happens that says what he says yeah what comes from a quote from his song gentle boy life is what happens to you when you're busy making other plans that's been quoted watson says that the nineteen eighty and stromer return is it fair to say the beatles musically went through periods in which their work that's landed progress oh definitely we you know i think that's one of the things were mentioning earlier what sort of separated

them from the packed why were they so successful they were able to grow musically that was one of the reasons there are groups around the same time as them from england such as the big park five herman's hermits know those groups were very very popular for a time but they were kind of unable to grow and progress as the world grew in progress there visitors can stay the same in uganda saw them fall by the wayside or the beatles kind of you know they led the cultural revolution of the musical revolution they grew and progressed you know imagine she loves you yeah yeah yeah i mentioned earlier nineteen sixty four sixty or sixty three sixty four then three years later is i am the walrus you know two completely different sounds that you know there were a lot of all of that with two great songwriters like lennon and mccartney leading that charge another that's something the other groups that now that we have the material at least a couple of times in the book are

drawn to coax an aunt alice once the senate hadn't and those women than building any said i think he seemed corny ms cyan and that turning point was when paul mccartney and gotten listen barbara hotel van hollen him act that had explained that illness impact on world and one's life at least as i'm alive the beatles sure what's not only elvis it's american rock and roll in general the late fifties early sixties it's buddy holly little richard eddie cochran june vincent the beatles heard those songs one of picture and there's really a lineup of them all a rock and most are sung and the names right right and they were such an influence on the beatles and the beatles sound the

beatles got their name was to take off from buddy holly and the crickets that's how the beatles beatles records and the light right on to be at different beat music that's how in the name of the band but all this was always the big one for jon and the rest of the band are they actually got to meet him in nineteen sixty five in los angeles and was sort of like the than the new princes meeting mccain you know this meeting was arranged it was a big deal of the house at all this was renting in hollywood and the four bills went to work with me and then they were brought in house was sitting there and the bills just stared at him didn't know what to say they could say they were not meeting their hero and finally in a couple minutes later or so tons of the boys was in a stare at me all my hear on the one at that i broke the ice a couple with a bass guitar playing and i was you know i wonder really

it looked at the kelley knew this was the next generation know what he'd known about yeah i think he sort of saw it as kind of a changing of the guard and you know that's happened since then obviously a lot of pictures as well that that was the point where i think you know he sort of saw the year the torch being passed talk about how you put this book together how the selection for maidenform regime and that great help that i had a shift in some cases yes my editor marc maron was a great help you procured all the photos and all the rights want the photos are of rare memorabilia so the book actually functions as a biography of john but also a sort of a memorabilia catalog and then a lot of other previously unpublished photos as well including some by a gentleman named ian wright who was what the beatles and england in nineteen sixty three sixty four and took some of the photos and heard her previously on unpublished but without marks help and guidance in and procuring of the foot and placing them in the proper places

in the book to kind of go along with the story i was telling and it wouldn't be nearly the book that is how my georgia's contribution we know george was the youngest one was the youngest deal and paul we sort of looked at him as his baby brother and he was kind of maybe a baby beat down a little bit in the early days you know one or two songs problem and that's it the authors of that kind yeah i just think that john paul were so creative about point there wasn't really room for georgia's contributions but that when he was broke up in nineteen seventy you know george put a triple album out there all things must pass he just had ebola songs out that he had been riding that didn't get released when he was with the beatles and the door it was a great great talent different than john paul certainly but on cable not only of writing writing at its songs which of course my sweet lord a lot of other ones were working close to the top of the charts he was also really really good guitar player influenced a lot by country music carl

perkins last year in my eye a look at just think back a look at how after local moves in seems to me he was perceived differently after in their letter they think of and suddenly he had been part of for and now it's two of them or together and choose in any mines a mistake and is taking him in and sort of a mystical ride not that he's not willing to go but you sense you did since then and end in looking back and ninety cents almost a change in personality on his rare oh definitely i mean it was sort of john and yoko against the world for many years

and that's how they saw themselves also there were a lot of prejudice is back then you know a lot of folks especially in england won the seat caucasian male dating in asian woman in england writer on tru tru n john was still married at the time that was another sore spot on is it with him and yoko got together he was still married to cynthia and you know she was different she wasn't your classic rock and roll stay at home wife who is subservient to her to her man she was out there and she was you know from the center liking the attention as much as john did a lot of people didn't like that oh yeah totally resisted bringing her into it you know and the other beatles did to know you know they they were not happy that yoga was they are pretty much literally by john's cider and a recording of the letter b album a lot of abbey road there was a you know there isn't that brought into the studio so she could be there and lay there and arrest while they were recording when john was tracking his guitar licks and playing guitar she was sitting right next to him

and the beatles were a boys club you know the other wives never came into the studio in a girlfriends never came in with yoko did it because some hard feelings you know there's a story that with a recording of the song get back which is a song that now primarily wrote they were the studio whenever paul would sing the line get back to where you once belong he would look right yoko and so that was sort of a message for her that's what john felt a shooting that she did not even if it didn't worry didn't communicate that think about his death and one expectant woes posen we all were about it and i think about how it must have affected the other three rico's even though there was sort of falling apart in a

barn bought now he's gone again any idea that you'd ever get back together is also gone in only wonder why in the world an assassin one page on the moon it's funny you should mention that i was just reading murders watching video interview with george harrison on youtube which was from the late nineteen nineties and asked him what'd you think when when john was assassinated he said i was just blown away because you don't think of pop musicians being assassinated you think of leaders of countries are presidents are organized as as horrible as that is those are the people attending an assassinated not pop musicians why would somebody do this it just it makes sense they were all very affected by it obviously you know ring go calls another three his brother's about how they felt about each other even after the acrimonious breakup even after all the years have gone by they shared an experience that no one else knew anything about

and they were all literally they they felt like they were all brothers and you know as soon as as soon as john was assassinated ring tone his wife barbara flew to new york to be there with yoko paul was recording at the time and sort of gave a flip answer to a year to one of oppressed people as we think about john's depth were sticking microphones in a space odyssey he was so effective even know what to say to said dragons it and paul was never taken to task for that but you know he was such an he was so in shock at the loss of his good friend songwriting partner for all those years you know you can't really blame him he was you know what to say and decide the first became his mind time has flown by we have only a minute left what's your next book projects we're working on a similar book right now about paul mccartney i were to gather a lot of memorabilia away from the beatles days but also from wednesdays on the solo days polls seventh birthday is coming up in june two

thousand twelve so robin allen out by then also have a few other products go i'm a big fan of musical power pop business it's been influenced by the beatles says a book out coming out called power pop three sixty which is going to celebrate free initiative the greatest power pop songs of all time as for that i thank you for the book i think for coming to talk to me about an audience thank you eleanor thank our audience for watching and jon's in gulfport own words keep reading he's big