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with this week marianne williamson once again welcome to world war ii was a day were talking about a woman's worth with marianne williamson welcome back and congratulations on the book and thank you thank you so much all those words is of it's almost a sermon it's not a lecture well maybe it's almost a prayer and you talk about prayer i'm interested in how you talk early on about the godless man sounds like a big john a capital t capital g bo you don't write about the goddess around
in it in a negative way a pejorative word can be you can be you can be a positive image of the us consulate just like any senators that are in and young the masculine principle of them in principle to me got us is simply a word for the feminine aspects of god's energy divine energy which to me in a fully actualize human being all that is a most noble becomes almost divine about self the goddess self sister word for the energy and in talking to women about finding something sacred and feminine inside ourselves goddess felt right you say that though the twenty thousand year period in the countryside during which when we men and women they're with each other on a more less equal footing no copper up and calm could presumably know conquest that
there was equal justice people respect people regard equal concern and then the goddess of miss it must have been close to the millennium so twenty five thousand year period but really any sleep talks about in iceland a book called the chalice in the blank talking about european cultures where there was you know so often times we see little statues and the female figure and museums into medical center was a fatality called now archaeologist at us was not caught between major world religions and then the conquering hordes from the north which came in with much more to dominate or rather than partnership model and what she talks about and that book is the fact that in that time when men and women seem to have lived as partners rather than either six nominating the other you've got us figures that one part when they just lie people talk about in a woman's worth is that the reason there is no different than that
raisin is a very is very real use it it's a lifeless here's the idea that whenever you squeeze their mystical element that their coastal data banks are squeezing aspects of yourself you're passionate poetry your intuition your emotions what i think are just as important as our intellect the scientific analysis our intellectual ability in a reason yes if a nonbeliever a city you look i just don't i can accept a version for a just absolutely common except a concept and to me it's a much more lovely story if this were a day woman caught in a trap and had to lie in order to live not to be stoned smith in practice and how great it is that this woman gave birth which are part of our service that came to lead the world
right now oh yeah but i have to put that it about when you when i read the virgin mary is i visited a real controversy out there with a number of my friends you're agnostic shivers today it even includes a nervous ally word says belief in god is ultimately a meaningless i don't think in this as well even in just me the best idea to believe in god scientists believe in one another and i believe that the genuine experience which is our belief in one another is the experience of god so this is not about anybody can convince al proselytize oath that's true but you also come down very heavily in favor of prayer and meditation i know you say it doesn't matter that to which god you pray what and what faith right medical rembrandt of meditation
about it but a little bit of what is there about prayer and meditation as you see it there is good for the soul good for the spirit good for the body of the dead when meditating literally in a different bright lights would normally a better way of consciousness when we meditate we going to alpha waves delta waves this is it a little change in brain with our prize novel by the doctor for audience out there for millions to sound like an alphabet song the senate so it sounds like nothing that i know about her breaking down but we live in a society that is preoccupied with meaningless stimulus television movies normal conversation we don't all around talking about the most meaningful questions and we don't talk about with the feeling of a clean soul that comes from good conversation good music
good literature and there's a palpable difference so we're all caught up the whole and think that it's like the whole nation is depressed and way the nationals of angst because we feel the frantic almost a hysterical vibration which accompanies a very superficial orientation to life now if you don't wake up in the morning first thing you can do you can read the newspaper about how dangerous life is how horrible things are not everything was so sensationalized so exploitative and watch television you know what the shows that fail a horrible things happening you're caught in the maelstrom i search on reality such illusion and sets angst so what happens when we met at a replay themselves been some time quiet and i will seek my sustenance not in a meaningless and plenty of today's popular culture but i work inside myself whether i'm reading emerson or the
bible or the eating or lao tzu or some contemporary spiritual inspiration whether i do prayers whether i do meditation were just light a candle and try to think more deeply about the meaning of my life who i am on this earth when some higher purposes but it's a lifestyle decisions days americanos but is a lesser decision anytime but in today's america definitely a lifestyle decision to go against the ways of the world to live a more noble life in pursuit of meaningful think it's always interesting to me how i think so many of us look back on our college years and know that we didn't know how to fully appreciate what was given to us a year or two or four where we could just pursue higher learning almost like for a lot of people when you're too young to even appreciate it and then you leave college and it's all over and then you know to be an adult when you knead genuine sustenance amongst and you enter into a society which buys at least in an adult you know you
you get a sense when you read the jacket of the book and the blurb on your earlier book you get a sense that there's somewhere in this is unfair you get a sense that they're somewhere a marketing executive who serves as a woman to mark it up there this woman rifle ar come from art and touches the hearts of women and and so this is a book on a woman's worth we choose can a cell and is going so what does that but does that rather secular approach to a book that does come from the heart and then thursday with spiritual life women and the society the body
sometimes i see things most of what i see that's so countered of who i really am and what i do and i do it it often is the press outside random house i found anything offensive coming out of random house i think what's important as fate if you can't write about to sell to a lot of people and that was your goal you would like the books that were hacked i read it and i must say i think if you're not such an absence of the faith served and if there were not such cynicism and skepticism today your brooklyn and in that way as well as that what i just think that there was a raid searching right when i ran when i read your book it's it seems to me there is also loses his emotional life was not just one
but to minimize so what was a rescue that's how they're now but but explain it because it is it's targeted towards let's say in its title for him now that well i did write i can either the tiles and i came up with it it was an error it would turn into a tidal honest yes a woman's worth much as it but this book was not i want to know your previous work and would we would you know wonder i just told my publisher that i wanted to write a book about women but as i wrote the book and it did feel to know what i wanted to wear this subject i wanted to write about was women but i feel it's a book about women for men and women and i say ain't that a lot of the issues in a way for a woman now about the retrieval of the feminine south is as valid for minister women because i think that the oppression and patriarchal society a feminine consciousness is as much an oppression inside men as women or poetry our passion our intuition the power of our feelings for one another those things existed mantua nagin invalidated
bananas much that's why when you talk about the goddess it's about the feminine self inside all of us i didn't write heartening beginning we allied air raids targeting any money or anything i think in fact i mean i think in this well i have them roll ride in an interview in early and everything like that is what we taught and i'm going to go with the superficial stimulus and sales mentality of the world or even try to do something on this earth and i decided a long time ago just with my letters that the person i wanted to try to impress with me you know i said there are many authors who have been in that chair you're awesome thing to me is that i didn't ask them the question i just ask you it's only because you do make an appeal to the better side of the nature of men when women i guess the
question very well in the marketing but it's not i mean it's simply the book a look look at my first but i mean you don't write the exotics that you don't write a book about god expecting a bestseller you know how much of the whole world you also deal with a lot of people this mixed opinions very popular you stay away from a lot of the words in it is monitoring of us said that you said that they are well inevitably you dealt with the subject of sex be interviewing him a woman without and i think i wanted to write about what it feels like to be a woman i'm feeling fine arts the panel in fact the financing supplies about how are you can't talk
about the invalidation of women the oppression of women and the crucifixion of feminine power without getting into the area of sex the sex is a way that we had a place where feared and a place to win control i'm petrified system and do you think that the fear it's not part of mandates on the part the part of the status quo entirely the whole nature of the patriarchal western civilization which is not just fear the five minutes are severe scares a lovely in that interview we asked because you're so afraid of that you've got to keep it under control you can have fully passionate women living at full throttle the day they will not be dominated and controlled nine million during the fifties sixties into fifteen sixteen centuries in europe nine million nine million people were burned at the stake for witchcraft know most most of them were women and most of them we herbalist of midwives women lived on
the edge of town women who were not part of the status quo it's actually a socially they were passionate women there were three women in the church knew you cannot control hold masses of people want these girls well you know three years ago three and one years ago we burn fuel yes and they hear it and i was just a last gasp that look like tiny compared to what happened in your records i was still writing when the stakes still there as the demonization of the past the woman even in america today you say somewhere in the book you talk about his almost to touch the senses when your heart when you talk about that and about women like linda evans it's a fun your inner cannibal your inner light here and that's when you sign up i made at the nsa probably the more of that to write it it was like right now i'm audie that the earth's whatever bubbles insulin needed to be first at that moment
but you don't put down the inner life so much if you put down a woman who's beautiful bean soda some of the search for the animal actor at that time got that on my ally if i'm an ally it was a can bring in much greater happiness that it's not remotely maclachlan and the issue is that these hidden life and although she's very beautiful observed very lovely woman the whole loan image the beautiful one does he get your way little bit it seems to it bothers you a little bit that that the model is an achievable and still it remains the mile it sounds so in a society of course it that's of course it that's i mean it's lovely for a
woman too be the most attractive that she couldn't be in it it it's wonderful for us to enjoy physical beauty and strive for you know beneath it should not be the goal in life and yes it's a terrible issue for the women's self esteem were being constantly bombarded on television and magazines and in movies with what the image of the perfect woman is and she always looked a certain way of course it's terrible i mean it's and it's no different really than the the parallel which is done to men which is the attractive man drives a portion makes a certain amount of money every year i mean it's a very similar that oppression can absolutely of all of us rather than honoring a libyan i think internal good morning again once in the speech not far from where we sit it's said the new source a message two white liberals and he said those of you believe we are right but are afraid to say so i tell you one day we will liberate
you and i thought of that as i read the book because it says to me in part marianne williamson's telling men we do have the power we who went to liberate men to know that this record impression is wrong and still again and one of the things i celebrate the book is all the men who not only know it in that are going along with it and know that their liberation i think what we all need to be liberated from his the internal chains that bind us more than anything external in today's society has weighed in in terms of women's liberation you can tell me well you have so much political power we yes we have political power that's important and i celebrated we must continue to forge ahead and even widen their window of opportunity but it's an emotional immigration tweet we can have a one can handle it i can have a political and social rights to say whatever i want the fed also had emotional permission and all the lab psychological permission if i feel that if i speak up i will be considered
on feminine or reconsidered overbearing war or work in your approval if i do so and i will continue to implode or keep myself smaller so they don't like me and i think that's the day that's the game that's really happening and a good way to sort of battle is being fought is underneath the water line but i think a lot of men recognize that because a lot of men are starting to liberate themselves to man who in a society i don't believe any more the women are really allowed today farley who they are and how to respect it as if the whole system of thought that stalin of twentieth century it's not that there's no one to play us an idyllic part of what this program is about is not just the content of people were also how authors write you a lecture you stand in front of an audience to haul people and it comes to flows as even as the conversation here flows
when you it it's addictive requires a different disciplines it does not come i think it does not come so fluently or so fluently a million dollars and how all this is a relatively short but not how long to take a right it's been less than a year and that one word sayings <unk> if any writer has to fit in that period anything we do the times when it's things are the times when it doesn't appear crisp and do you have the original new writer at one time and i was able to think that the laptop computer completely revolutionize the world because with my first book why didn't have a laptop i didn't really go to my desk but now i get up in the middle of the night when a sit up in bed and adding a laptop there so for this book it was really wonderful that way kids i would just keep the computer with me and just whenever
i got the arabs his effect on a book where's my first book was a very difficult time and i mean it was a that took a lot of discipline and a lot of her work to me years to write the book because i had to write about the cornerstone principles of a course america's when i was in the navy to or not the subject had to be covered with this book it was anything i just outlive to get into and how much your editor which buck the sport so this is such a free spirited a piece of literature it's a feminine sentences the nonlinear thing that time and not at vienna and in vienna to let you run is free as the book i'm actually getting back into sequester then looking back yes she tried to rein me in a little bit to realize now it would have been a better book and i resisted we really really want because i think
i think if youre going to trust that your senses come in a flow that probably the whole thing came in lava flow and i know that one of the things i wondered as i wish that i had saved in my computer the book is the recently came out what came when what you think are covered what are you asking me well i picked the polar ice you why it i know that a lot of protection isn't a sentiment of this moment isn't a christ like strout and her friends show christ like here now unfortunately the marianne williamson the way the picture came out on the cover and with the mary winston you barely see the birds in the corner but those birds are very punched out in the original photo and to me as a pitcher she's a female christ figure a woman to me she's in pain and in prayer and the two traditional images of baptism the two baptismal
birds that are always over john the baptist art coming over her in this the alphabet change is gonna rise up and glory to me the book was about the crucifixion and resurrection of feminine power we did it with some of the great you know i don't think that no i think that i think that i think that's a compelling an explanation now did you have trouble with the other third are the pubs well randy now said york will lose sales because you well offends conservatives who are offended by the woman's breasts and i say well then we lose sales however what i did not oh plenty that's why i think people who read the first book and related to what i may be may not be accurate because
really the religiosity the pope but for a lack of a better word some people have seen it that what you think having that audience that loves their love you for you afraid they might turn your annual goes you know i was originally wrote i was nine they were random house as my first books i don't know who they were thinking but they thought some people when i mean if you can that nazi spirituality together with the women's bras knew how to cover the sistine chapel creation could not occur i drive women to how grass you know to me it's the criticism which if someone upset me and then people feel that it's just seem to feel that it's exploded a picture but to me it's not a sexy picture know is using sex to get in on this and your fear their fear was that if you did you would turn people against the us and you said
i think if you'd have a title of a creative life as a writer or as a living period one of the things you have to give up is the popularity contests what many are saying that the planning against the gang and counted to the ways of the world is the purpose of our lives were headed repair the world matter how pithy the way has been if he would do everything to a novel oh god every nonfiction writer think about now i think of the big guilty secret packages the tone of a wild and the other concern is the military's it a piece of dialogue yes the chorus that you do maybe someday art the power to do it i see it is it's an ability i deny get half and i greatly admire i don't feel i have a new book that i'm right and working on that's incubating but i would love that right now that i know
on another book that was going to be the healing of america and it's about i'm interested in the united states and particularly spiritual principle as related to the founding principles of our nation and our history because i think america is in a spirit of crisis and i think one of the province we have is that we keep trying to find political and spiritual crisis because of the thickness of this hole and i believe that the genius of the founding of this country was not just political but spiritual and esoteric traditions a lot about women and found that this nation and how in the metaphysical tradition is a czech tradition holds that there are times on earth when great cells come together in particular situations an audition humanity for an accounting of this country's considered one of those times and one of those will you try to cycle and was
the founding fathers psychoanalyst and yes i'm fascinated america we would it would behoove us to become clear once again julie aligned with the spiritual principles which were at the center and are at the center of the american system of government how it all began what freedom emits that they would be founded on this are the nation which with the exception of slavery did more than any nation at everton and his to the world to keep mankind an opportunity to be free it's chair this program was introduced in the
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A Word on Words
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1037
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Marianne Williamson
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Nashville Public Television
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A Woman's Worth
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1992-06-03
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Chicago: “A Word on Words; 1037; Marianne Williamson,” 1992-06-03, Nashville Public Television, American Archive of Public Broadcasting (GBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC, accessed July 2, 2024, http://americanarchive.org/catalog/cpb-aacip-524-8c9r20ss35.
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