A Word on Words; 1021; Steve Eng

in a word right world of books and their authors this week steve cain talks about your most were were downward mr john ashley of our chairman of the freedom forum's first amendment center vanderbilt university once again welcome to world works singing we're going to talk about the music or the country music and when we talk about one of the great stars were great names in country music for those of you know about country music and many do if i tell you this is about for you and no reporters you won't know who our authors steven a welcome speeding toward own words like stop with the rector and here to talk about a satisfied mind the country music lives of poor away you know when i first looked i said why

were you know he's not careful and he's not a cop and he's not even tom t hall who is a writer as well as the center and fall off and i thought as for a wine you really made that much of an impact on this country of this industry and then after a book i've decided for a wide his life as a country music song it's all played those all they call the tragedy are alarmed at all wrapped up in one i'm not sure that's why you got into it but that simple awareness a cappella bit about what inspired you beyond that conversation with ruth hall was at the fruit fly quite sure the book on every highway have national average our way out of nigeria gets that one i'm oliver well what the dawn on that it was just about what he's said everything that happened

is that the third as happened in country music has happened the porter he's been there a war hero he's been there twice over and then he said some unique experiences i think marketing through television marketing dolly summers other folks didn't have an experience like that there are stills a little slow about i want to get to know the music of enlisting was albums and he's had about a hundred and seventy songs recorded his religion is underrated songwriter and i said no it isn't just rhinestones as a person has its creative i get into this well he certainly did it get into this you know they made saga of dolly parton is only i have told him maybe twenty five percent though without sight of fort wagner i can remember after they split now why glorify were in the company of jack stab at that time home of tree publishing and we

start by old opera house for an afternoon preview of the awards show the scene may award show which we broadcast that night and we sat and watched and we had come in just a while johnny cash was on and he was off then anne porter wagner and dolly parton came up sing a duet and step says it's too bad it's putting you know this is the end of dolly parton said and we we walked out the warriors who knows more about music than i said darling jack strong i sense for the first time a porter knew what our potential greatness for sure that's the real shocker was that he had a big vision and a record covered by porter is getting made the minutes to meetings as you know it's in the book where he's hammering away with rca condo market dali it's just like i'm pam lewis marketing garth brooks he sees this big picture and

they don't and it's not up to do with talent she's already you know song away in everybody's credibility but how do you get beyond those border saying the salesmanship marketing and he saw the whole flight he saw as she should be in rolling stone she should be in the village voice his publications he knew that the fans out there were not just country there's a mixture out there where you look at it in that light then i'd senate on sunday and that that then there was more there is vision of what he can be very what many people have always suspected of broken lover and i'd like to get in the pool wagner's early live in you are our audience a chance to know why that life is so much i kind of music songs and come back to bali in portland which is which is really on the conflict that that is that consumes most people would like when i when i read this book that many republicans

and most interesting most people some will go directly to the index and some dolly parton oh i didn't go back he begins in howl county missouri just across the arkansas bride for his church last fall as a third grade education but on the school board poor family depression written or nineteen twenties sam amazing thing is now sixty five years old clothes and strike me that policy amount of education but that upbringing so conditioned old convent well it's a music world are crowded fairness they didn't think the reporters everybody's the same situation that they although they would share milk with each other and borrow things and drive each other to counter so things about things on saturday but it was a world i mean i made a statement of

values of nineteen forty or much they were making forty cents and they live in great music all time they don't have televisions really radio's worker a well planned music in each other's homes on the front porch i was shocked at how much music that was live all the time is i grew up on records and three newspapers or read the newspaper about thirty years on microphone always stuart musical about wives sayings they call good signs of the courthouse signs here and you know certainly not now a record company in sight and he worked in a meat market work for her or add le petit vaccinate you point out the aspen security act almost a country music song an accident are us carli still bear though rizzo and it is but in that home as in many of those world holmes

sat and i would grow up or time an engraved grand ole opry earl nash live next germs gamache came in there every said i would join jae and annette enjoy j a whole series of personalities i don't know i can't tell exactly when they earn when the drive for performing and you say you quote an assignment there once and from a microphone a once and throw a spotlight that that he just is a natural former had to come out i can't tell when he decided that this was really twenty one and it's asked him is if he drifted in short rivkin into with donald concept of star is a little bit later in the game is the old days singing was a group makeup was really one of the first stars sosa for bailey but in the old days because you were always a group that it's turning out entertainer of a little longer and poor's

pollstar a thousand times i get one stop at the end of the rule a ten interviews people ears and i was going to say can and i'm as i point out is he's told many times he said he went to town once and there was roy owner of inner drugstore the second talk to him and he would see the show later anatomy is the what will come in on no well maybe maybe chance and ten million american family well if he earned it does happen it happens very gradually and it has a name after trial before yes a nashville and along that route my one and nightstands novel out a duets and then ease the blow it at trio go along on that he winds up a deal is arguably with their red foley yes sy simon was a personality i'd not met before any book any

deserve and you deserve to be no he's incredibly calm he says somewhere for instance he got chet atkins his rc and he had the young brown's he had the carters and the old actually drifted down here the poor was his next one reporter was posted the next tank williamson sign a little decisions like don't call the poor why the trio called por y remember just fine probably the trio de leon makes reporter stood out in those little decisions can make in a lifetime of difference and sire invasion the jubilee so why can't we be on at work and subtle story that took a solid new york with some missouri executives and they sold that a non a cameraman in how to get this that the show early electronically transmitted so after they won the battle and how to you know pull off but they didn't sign that reveals or two we just put this into context and talk a little bit about really and

how she weaves into the life and story for a way to the great young starlet boys was in full balloon when she was still a shock she'd been slain for you know forty dollars and i'd done i think augusta i'm a little rusty on it was peanuts for cloth had a showdown there is red foley hurt her so smug be one of carole morison that they bought a ticket for they got a busted for mama conductor springfield they got were on the jubilee really have a little shell runs jubilee shoulder one on it in advance will one of the junior jubilee in running just for people of bizarre color wasn't a day job while she and hank williams and i was out there as a teenager that time we had bees we thought this was a big famous legs and we actually believe it that there was a thirty seven year old girl that was furtive madrid this was an american yes i remember hearing it the flight james dean didn't die we had the story doesn't it alice's with his air now the women finally was this

incredible voice and she was on the jubilee and that and redd was a kind of one remembers your side and they also invested in horror as the force you even have records really liking fifty five and six years well he ultimately comes to the national beer cooler as a rule when they're not technically it's a sponsored coincidental people invited him now your ryder i'd heard the baldwin was exactly they have them then the line in the book the jump off the page needs after the controversy after loss and i must say you're remarkable job research and being out details of that loss of the actor it's all settled and judge their land so a great chancellor's good one of the humanitarian at the midland service says that he could keep randomly in nashville you

can stay here and be on the grand ole opry side goes back to springfield and runs a meal into a woman said i have a dollar you can sing just like brenda lee and sizes well that's your stories your own surrogates the pain on all sides in that in that lawsuit but they had made this major investment in this our voices would live forever so i am in a different way in any more direct way for her had had an impact on the life of mel phillips oh yeah it on for her arm got him on an installation showing begin encouraging mail heavily to talk even at his finest daughter minnie pearl tell me that she go from malcolm and many had also suggested this that they got melted talking in a lot of personality and a male servant like to

signing from way that of course and for the world's great songwriters porter of gotten into a new sigma hold the fancy rhinestone outfit an el nino develop a personality with melvin confidence puerto showed broke a lot of people and a lot of people willie nelson with jordie work quote was one poor one or show you note debut acts the internationally many witnesses to i can't remember that far by maybe was suspended for families gather here and now and wailing away along the brakes reporter writer show in geneva that would of course in that show was the place to be i wish your showcase if you had a record or so and then start of the nineteen sixty one and so the syndicate course of the final show and then and then he says and what syndicated man i know well it was a half hour show and there was no room for fun in a state that they didn't have time to do

you know say things that didn't matter or they go at on that the songs and they made a mistake they left that in there wasn't the money or the technology to re do it or when the time that to go straight to the commercial up redo was that just completely in a blue id and give a magic that you don't have today with all these camera angles production values was a split with mail they look back on it now with a little more affection us really well you know i think with just the plays a listener can protect the publishing company are gonna start years as the typical music business now fluent males produce wines he ends up on the glen campbell show oh a happy ending is i hear this from the songwriter and self johnny mullins who wrote companies commonly adult males knowing that twice and i suppose that branson i was porous first hit you tell me any song that's going around in thirty five years you know like nobody gets a great but i noticed that when you come in to that when you come to pardon store where there's a conflict between

puerto wagner's account and somebody else's account some conflicts with all of their practices and telling the story is this you get both sides direct quotes both sides paragraph excerpt and then follows dory couple paragraphs are paid to do and yet the other side you don't make in most cases value judgment about which account is accurate talk about the afghan fast lane road most riders i must say would have sided with one side or the other for social business who the heck out but also i'm a little bit more winner in mentality our fallen like amal we got these characters since been let down a stair the character's ways like now was the characters have taken over and i can feel it coming back in and so while abolishing the

gunnison portion i was trying to stay out of it and what the characters of the pocket and you can draw your own conclusions this outright we don't have my own sometimes i just don't know i still special and one student who should've done what when well whatever happened they split and our game great star game big moneymakers let's deal briefly with pores life with his romantic life for assault very young he's merrick marriage records show maybe she was nineteen he was sixteen the belmont note on ford from a valid us and lasted a very short time than if if there are the boys she didn't know him yet as a teenage marriage summit should win all that baby needed are no records that you know it's a myth that this doesn't tell when you know the realm of all these years later it

was unable to parents hold capriles can hear the most episode i'll hope i'm not guilty of big meat idea yet in you you were that much trouble the founder and the doctor about there was a very brief note and then he met then he met one i guess he would call a lover's life lake bait they are done in a more fuel of problems in the marriage many may well in products that was to the purple wand at sixteen along with ruth ruth with a steady rain all walls pretty quiet but she wasn't in show business and show business away part of it is you know more successful you are the worse it can get fish or homey the last reporter was co wrote four states are not on that road just even in the missouri period the tv the radio show it was

on covered for state so he's out there got in a car going every schoolhouse that has reached by kenobi to go but so you know imagine a wife at home and at home with three children you know and he's a few days she has this nice home she likes to garner audition he's down are going in nashville and she gave rerouted so good and springfield missouri over julie was the title of grand ole opry was he gets on the grand ole opry and but at an old comes from this morning and only gene bicksler yes and it isn't it is going to get millions of voices life and mary brain is known gay know those are broken a breakup there an officer would hang out it's not too pleasant people were really about driving these humane secondly i didn't ask people the hardest question i could think of norma was ruled that the standard

emissions are nice to me she's written a five person in order read it all i think you know it wasn't easy for me for me there was music for them to read or do with was some the pain and author goes through any relive the plague people here live in the arm i won't act i could not believe the the anecdote first time dahl his own show replacing for this moment and he finds that people in the crowd are saying who is she again and she's an accomplished their recording artist a terrific songwriter and a very self common law even though they're tangy very young and they do on iraq we want norma jean lee one moment well porter knew what he was doing it i'm sure he knew it was probably walk in about what he did not want anybody that resembled norma jean vocally then they would've said she's not good enough viewership and butter within what whatever and better would mean you want a voice of the tourism board all that's why he

passed the ladies went like i smoked and when they're taught us to want somebody in her belly was established briefly but online in record she had two hits says she had credibility but join our machete order to put up with that he knew when the long run and you have some real special day for us just the way thanks there are two things is it's easily read the book two things to say but i suspect that in his mind that he resents looking back on a relationship first is that it was a that was a failed love that broke them up all that her decision to leave tore at his to read his romantic affair with her and he says that he he resents that and the other is that he was a hick who didn't recognize her

potential he says that he knew the potential was there all along of their many many nuances and the stories she tells one story goes another again is simply quote each of them and know pasty answer the question were there was a love affair was a well i'm sure you've been in a lot of his mental i'm sure about was closer to him as gollum as connelly not the unofficial ha ha ha a man likes depreciated importer of the writer developed undervalues friendship so that's a heck of a thing right at your heart gwen when you do what we want to do deep down comes out because really there's a weighty role encouraged or a writer as someone writes like an employment so that that's had to change a good deal of the store that circulate in the country music world for a long time that was what one night he was caught with a store or get their home that's in another book which i'll mention it i've heard some of the wild stories as one

where somebody gets sworn in in a very reliable person for her as a woman from up from a shot to the stewardesses when that rapid his she she'd seen on his record album cover these stories does get out of hand i chase several stories that just weren't true and dumb i would suspect that swarm of frankly yes you give those encounters at rca where he had where he walks in on bali it's a conversation with your brain area that we're saying for this is the song music row and there has been a conflict chet atkins days for a luncheon so crucial thing down and then in retrospect again it appears that the beach after all these years is not the moment counts so fast though that must've existed that day well it's a case of like a triangle porter wants to know what's happening guys talk and rca through

probably really innocent but you know they weren't dealing with a maybe directly maybe they were propagating was on average what is the case about wolf blitzer and a flat family flare up like something would happen in the kitchen what's going on here but she knew she wanted out shore and he he did have great difficulty accepting the fact that he won when nobody likes chains and there's two parts the border is making a bigger all the time one part of employer wants things to go on say in the other part of them is creating a bigger gallery all the time bigger songs bigger record was my the month and maybe kelly from all about this my sense of it is that her own vision for a future for re tuning in for a wagon for you accept everything yes so far greater than what he initially i suspect so i think you saw she saw the potential of movies and she wanted to sing on a consequence she said sell products there to try and failed and then live your life in a trice and she wanted try some rocket girls wanna try some uneven las vegas things in all of which she's done on which have been phenomenally

successful and if you look at the careers is fair i think to say that he remains some more in a shadow and she says in the song i was never one to be a thing but in country music though when nobody is looking he's done some acting strange things like he produced three written blues chart records were joe simon yes and the windows that only country singers would with producer of windows that examined the billboard on soul enough for one with his left hand is the engineer and producer that's after dolly yes and so is her success and anyway a magnet that drew him into those of the us or was it just that he was another respect for i mean what why her group and i remember that it occurred to me you know maybe he's not prove that he can do it we got no publicity for joe simon it was just order the bitter that that studio he loves producing it gradually got into it originally out

of necessity to make his records sound better than a million dollars pretty soon he's built this extravagant studio it's his multiple on its effects and enjoy being he produced some records down there fireside it was called still there today i am indeed he sold a peace builder conduit red cards wildcard slots a product of the agenda of a medical company and the medicine cabinet cards why was a better alec and stomach ache with and as baz my property is valuable and relieving functional this memory and i'm almost afraid to ask what that is we might be taken off the air speed of the waste product visit the blackout was a worldwide line graph was another the other end and a radio show sponsored by that the company that's where a working coalition julia you know it always you know and there are not many country music performers not neighbors nowadays

about and there has been a song written but the night porter wagner came down written about about when charlie williams is what five stories i ever i mean he on the center goes to the show and simple idea along with mavis brown and there is at the deli about everything that happened and i commented to our neighbors if you want one of the latter mavis as well way around for a sign his autograph on the residents land and mavis got it wanat with the way that the voter id wonders how that rebellion that down what it is that a satisfied mind has been our

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