A Word on Words; Memorial Marathon

i met john sigg and dollar in nineteen eighty two i was twenty eight years old when i had just published my first novel the patron saint of liars and he invited me to come on a word on words and it was the beginning of a long and beautiful friendship jiang was such a supporter of literature such a supporter everything national the country all that is good in the world but when i think of him i really remember is he is the person who always made me laugh you made me laugh before we went on television he made me laugh on television he was the person that i was always happiest to run into at a party at a restaurant he had this way when i saw him of always making me feel like i was the person in the whole world he was most hoping to see and i have to say he was the person in the whole world that i was most hoping to see john i love you thank you for everything you did for natural

for forty two years john sigg and dollar hosted our sunday morning program a word on words here on national public television john graciously worked as a volunteer dedicated to serving nashville and honoring authors and their works you could say that jon was the most dedicated volunteers in the history of public television he was also a friend and a part of our family today on his birthday we'd like to pay tribute to john and his love of words by rebroadcasting at john's favorite episodes along with some reflections from authors john will always be an inspiration to all of us remember

one johnson you know once again welcome to word on words our guest john lewis john lewis of civil rights claim john lewis who went to jail forty times it would be more than anybody else in the movement who has some oddball menu began preaching the chicken is now preaching to the world welcome jon two world wars i think your arrest and i'm delighted and very happy and very pleased to be here right at your own words right to talk about walking with the wind your book and your book that really sort of recounts your whole life from lung below thirty days and sharecropping of sharecropping environment than in alabama a small farm dirt poor for this day of when you are are speaking on the floor of the car was in the states so you preach and the chickens well you know that was a book of not just my story it is the storytellers individuals

who put their bodies on the line during the early sixties but i didn't grow up on off on a new alabama law father was a sharecropper a tenant farmer but in nineteen forty four when i was four years old and i do remember when i was four my father has a thriller dollars a recruiter about a hundred to make of the land and tumultuous wallner is a lot of cotton and corn peanuts holds and cows and chicken or was my responsibility to care for the chicken aquarium research and a fellow lower in the chicken's nothing to raise chicken like the one aspiration of what i you know john this is true and i have this intimacy in his book so that was my call and it was my mission is mark begich and to care for these chickens it with the help of my brothers and sisters and my first cousins with the goal of these chickens together the chicken house and i would talk to the chickens as a matter fact i were preached to

them some about a year so we should go ahead and i look back on it they never quite seen it man ha ha ha ha ha ha but i mean thats the system is checkers tended to listen to me that i'm in in my colleague listen well that view a preset fields and battle between immigration rarely as i would be loaded eulogy and now my sisters and brothers and the first cousin was there is a moment we had a chicken senator and they would bear my first non violent protests was not here not in nashville was not in the city and that was gotten a free ride there were protests i guess my mother and father but you know one of these chickens' ovaries well for trading one of the chicken for follow the sugars the book begins was a lovely anecdote of pro that are really cares i think the metaphor though will and it is that i know which gives the

book its time walking with aware fifteen she'll rule in iran's whole terrible windstorm and a year later and fifteen to address instructions class parents walk from one end of the house so to keep that wind from blowing out of what we were trying to return home to house taub and i look back on my mind i was pretty smart she was good future for a she thought the house of runaway indian all with age she knew to do was a tell us the whole ham and to walk to the side of the house that will arise at she thought it was really lifted up issue the ilo bodies all together the whole the house down and others side of a house to a moon is shaken around with a tin roof and you can hear the rain beating down we walked over the site traveled hours

so we were walking with the wind and that's what i've been known for a lot of people in durham and america in the past few years the war for one corner of america to the other corner one side to the other side from selma to montgomery to birmingham the manchu to atlanta to jackson to washington tried to hold american house together older american house he performed in total paul talk about to talk about the driving force behind that movement that wall with the when driving force being the commitment of the new and the king and twenty of those non violent conflict which and allowances it all seems a contradiction ocean throwing against the grain of what the country that about what the country is today

well first heard the concert in junior now city is all that have written it took a fight preaching nonviolence lead in the montgomery bus boycott and i was deeply inspired by his words of her discourse on the radio and i was i am you liane that this was something that i wanted to be pored over identified with his messes with this method with his teaching and i remember writing a letter to dr king of the finish law school and told him a wanted to tent for state college <unk> our state university and the pitching rubber back in the meantime i've been a supplemental school in nashville tennessee american baptist theological seminary college of a bubble the family wanted to be a preacher on it will be a problem of the refrigerated it and love it winnable the day for day and for scott trostle as i was going to come after it doesn't have to study what my folks and helena

murray liverpool and i thought we're going to tour state a settlement night and just voted on a day i would have to pay in a room aboard i can live at home some never heard anything from his crew sour about picking a letter he wrote me back and sit around to renowned bus ticket and invited me to come among them that you had seen all three movies intense ordeal already i s enough to remove see at universal alabama of her about the lou robin i'm trying to be surrogates such a high and low wrong and i have some idea what would say that i needed help i need a support and a father drove into the greyhound bus station a boarded the bus one set of the morning i travel from trump among them or among young boy and mcnear to the station young men have been a lawyer for rosa parks and apathy and droll me to the first baptist

church or rip the street in downtown one them or pass by reverend ralph abernathy an ocean into the past a steady and dr king said to me oh you the boy from troy a lawyer john was also spiritual soul and i really got to meet mine hero mile an asset dr king i am john robert lewis i gave the whole night i wanted to be sure that he knew that was jon robin lewis and not just john lewis and that was the beginning of our relationship but instead it for state of continued to study in nashville and i was in nashville the metal young minister that i'm a major was another young minister but i'm a total smear it was these two young ministers that inspired me to get involved with these non violent workshops lasted into philosophy lawson at that time was to limit its groove and bill kelly willi smith was the best route both of the

downtown baptist church leave in an african american church baptist church and of the landfill do these workshops law so like king and they had met by the sermon and king in and it's owed seen lawson as a as a as a person would need in the movement but but lawson would you talk a little bit about your loss and so commitment to a cause there's no real sense he was a nonviolent crusader i mean it was it was intellectual and what he saw to make it more than just an intellectual exercise he buy sharing and teaching all of you who wields

a life to allow voluntary the judge john lawson joining us our right was literally what he did he really believe but the key is to come to masculinity was sent to us the gym also have a better understanding of the philosophy and the discipline of mombasa and anyone he knew you know he was a pacifist and he had traveled to india as part of the methodist and movement and this young man he understood he was a gifted he was talented he was a good teacher he made it real and i can see a mass sit in in these meetings this web show with us as students in and i will be talking and he would be just so begat innocent but you know we don't talk about the sit ins and freedom rides in martin and picket line in those early days we talk about the great religions of the world and central theme of lull then and justice

peace and we talk about the constitution the bill rice to doctors or independents oh we also talk about none of the empire so resistant that role in civil disobedience it would you talk about what the pitching was drawn into in alabama and in london in particular the but it was there that we became in use with a philosophy because we saw jim lawson as solemn as a living example of the essence of the philosophy anomalous and i think we all we came out in a sense a disciple is a few miles i should take it to say to the audience that the kung fu certainly was again next week and we'll have another and how to talk about about walking with the wind in his life and that the day did come on they did come a time though when will the workshops begin to focus on actual began to focus on the sit ins in downtown nashville

and on and it was there that there's a moment in the book when you describe the night before the first test and you say that it's very very difficult to sleep and you say that as tylenol in and those citizens became the freedom rides came in mississippi summer that each time there was a day of crisis ahead the night before was always a time of contemplation and always a time i guess among the desert where it gets faster sudan was different era mortars different afraid i was different you know it was if you're a jon i remember well oh we fully evil love washington to go on the freedom ride we went to a chinese restaurant

and a terrier first uneven journey through alabama didn't have an attorney so that was not a chinese restaurant was my first on the engine is who and it was a wonderful meal a wonderful meal and we ate it solicited might you should eat well because this way we liked a less supple olivia know as we traveled from washington and to the heart of the deep south and he got into alabama abbas and begin an unbelievable marc we face then again in london where it was different was very different wiesel overall violence that we had been tested we hadn't appeared in nashville talk of about how you went to the preparation full of workshops are freshly i know about over years but but it still seems to me that that that that

that character was molded in those workshops and gave you the have the ability two want to withstand fall until the threat of death and i must say i never owned never really yeah i never really understood the depth a commitment it took for those of you who are part of that i mean it is so into it it remains today so sort of lyrical movement because people who worked for because people were told to take a beating and not respond i don't know how you hialeah where the mine setting from what i was nothing was not anything spontaneous about the city and what we do we want to monitor it was planned owes about this about assist once again mr bexley we were

disappointed we have role playing we have what we call social drama we have two young black and white student planner role of the opposition we're all young blanks planted rows of white soul or twice when the role of black we would visit the little pet atom in mania the last barrels early days became so committed to the philosophy and the discipline among about what we really did believe me a separate as a way of life as a way of living we really didn't believe that it was better for us to a septa suffer intercepted ddt that maybe just maybe we can win the opposition also was not just be impractical that has something to do with it or more than anything else we went out to destroy anyone to make in one field than we wanted to change customs traditions and will and we know we spoke about doing the beloved community billon an interest inside an interest democracy

so you wanna build them you cannot believe violence you cannot believe hate yet available flow and goodwill that's what it was all about that what it was all about that and also about i'm taking a physical being allowed quite close slogan you the meeting with the you know you get it free rider to head with a crate audie it it once in a crystal city and you'll guess the struggle really i guess i guess so then bernard lafayette was with you know with which you need done it was about going to jail knowing that you were going to jail it was about taking risks in the face of the opposition the apparent singing and you tell us that your parents didn't understand what the moment was about didn't want you part of that movement and still there was that there was

that there was a drive to change the saudis are up more aid by loving people who were who were being a christian church susan love is a greater force as much more i think call for a band in hate and intolerance and a sit in in a last stand in in bygone on the freedom ride the march and it's the war will come up and beat us up with a light a cigarette out in our hair down the bank's a spear donors a jealous old outfielder time to involve some time they came close to a holy crusade and i think many of us will appear and read it as a certain that we believe that we couldn't let violence we can allow violence to stop going on about you know remove that that statement we couldn't allow violence to stop non violent

scenes to me too as i think back although the story joe seem to sort of career actions by all of you mean there was after those long weeks of syrians a bombing destroyed the whole of wonderful veteran civil rights lawyer see alexander movie who represented new orleans in court they blew his house off its foundation in the movie fortunately survived that day you marched on the square there is a dramatic story you tell about the confrontation with where and west where for ct vivian reason the riot act and then diane nash and davison and about all that suddenly seem to change at least one white leaders in the process and that launched a crusade that the mayor the city don't like it i don't

think any citizen and agree with georgiou but the citizens why the blight been like what was happening didn't like the vowels i was then they're telling us to stand and i think it was such a righteous indignation seeded homo this noted don't we'll meaning attorney elected official series animal the whole ball and so for the most and i think may have been worse the mayor of the city of mash or understood he understood that what the students will sam and it is only after he spoke for the rest of the city is built for both blacks and whites who news responded to diana when she asked the question mr mayor the desegregation of a lifetime and he has said in effect that may not be used to record them he said i'm afraid yes yes related and in an extended to the sale oh you'll read news people at that time i had been so solid headline

mayor so here's the mayor favre desegregation of a lunchtime and it was just a matter of negotiating a national became the first major city in america at least in american south to desegregate was watched i was arrested well and then then that same they're saying save and we cannot let violence over prolonged violence first wave of the free rides get aniston to birmingham klan violence they blow up the buses you had known the first carload rise now you with diane nash annual say bounce cannot overcome nonviolence and the second wave his own way to take up where the first wave of been interrupted and then ultimately lead to montgomery and the night mom you talked about and then you know the next wave came on to

mississippi yes wool apart from prison the worst el olin in the polo lexicon the less patient and then waves of people began to flood into and mississippi to build apartment because so many more would not let violent overcome non violent seems to me that every one of the you the klan know one of the a bull connor r a or sheriff clarke perpetrated act allows the response was are so overwhelming statement that through action nonviolence won't be put that nobody nobody would have believed that philosophy that theory that sort of action would work and i have covering some of david halberstam was covering some of that you know we all knew that the

inevitability was the change had become but i had no concept that you will win the change the south chase the nation changed the world in the way nonviolent action did well as a group and as individuals i think we were very hopeful we'll some high and suddenly we believe the right away now but a pall over law mr vallas will prevail and you can recall that before nineteen sixty one was awful public transportation all older self would be segregated and that the sock became something different the civil rights movement when it was some of the places where people thought we wouldn't ever go into the heart of the mississippi at a southwest georgia into the blank belt of alabama and when chef come and we kept that's what i think the freedom riders such a pall full story because it is one of the un poll

stories of movement from young people like you why ride in buses test and a decision and enormously supreme court trying to make a decision real taken it off a papal make it real oh there's so many light moments in the book and in the moment of great roman and real tragedy but there's some light moments to move we talk about so that the next week but there is the night bull connor has you in jail in birmingham all of you who were on a freelance now you gonna take it out and an escort you back to the sea lions and in effect dump it make you think it's gonna take you away naturally brilliant bridge outside a road and diane nash little songs we'll have no parliament down to pick you up from annual of the blowback to nashville but there is a wonderful saying about un and this young woman writing in our blog and she's solar

putting him on all the way up there and it gets a real hoot to have to think about the conversation going on talk about where we're a little more common fortune jail impetus and protect the casa to get into birmingham city jail on a wednesday afternoon and early friday morning we will even to afford anything it was when us you decide to take us out early friday morning and he told us a meticulous bite at a college campus so with all alone come by to the campus office to his estate american baptists someplace we thought we'll be back in nashville and all the way you know we start talking with him engage in a conversation and one of the young lady freedom riders kept saying over we get to nashville and you can have some coffee with us you can have grappled with it and it was a very pleasant conversation and he was talking along with us and we really did we believed in when asked whether the campers live earth friendly

ever corporate it was also shares for him to get to this low place at alabama lima tennessee's state line of those planter and obama said open your fear does i didn't know and just put us out all of us the city to make it back to nashville industry and some wasabi come along a major train and we're terrified we know what was won and and even that morning rather we still walk in looking for some friendly house the chemical mold eaten weather beaten can top house the pinnacle of the elderly black man came to google recently the freedom riders please let us and any sentinel plausible we continue to mine sweet of freedom riders when trouble please let us then god bless his wife and his wife who drank offers why she came to the goal and said something like i mean letterman

and all the middle roseanne but isn't a background dog groomed no lights will signal a fool all of it and it's mammal so brave as at the same price good you waited for daylight to come we don't have anything to eat says that wednesday and had anything to eat since tuesday and that was from one he got it so pickup trucks and wicca so will shops stores and bought no serious call cut and we made a quarter diane nash was bike a nashville we are hi i'm alice randall like

everybody else talking to you today owes offender john second dollars and fifty five years old and i first made his friendship and i was twenty five years old but the eighty years he was a mentor to me is a man who understood the importance of words on paper in words in air he shepherded me to getting into print but that's not what i'm here to talk about his to call me dave the heyday because i think of a lot of people but well i say having been on his show four different times as much as he loved all the authors said he had his many great fantasy act that which aren't what we visited a few of nobody's much as dolores and john michael and jack and i as his dear friend of thirty years has he sat with me do too has been ten million dollar lawsuit the last word he want me to say about him of all the words that he knew his most favorite words were the ones he used to praise jack anderson had to deal as i have so just looking down in heaven i hope and here with us today but i

had to say that there are all these books nothing was more important to him than his immediate family this is a man who did extraordinary things a word on words themselves and their authors this week ann patchett talks about the patron saint of euros or or downwards mr johnson chairman of the first amendment center at vanderbilt university i guess this evening is ann patchett he is a writer of note ann i will note that she has written an excellent now called the patron saint of liars let's look right there what a cover what a title welder is a year and i seventy pound to talk about this new book i wanna know what sold imagination it takes to set a

day and a nunnery in a city called please go ahead and cut but there's another contest another is oh you do not who do you have a lucky into fake added kentucky as a place for those opposed it was going to be a loner in now that you know the plan are some reviewers saying it i wonder if she mentors upon the habit had seven when paul who has a little bit of good ideas i don't care starting i got the map but is that the best for writing about the pitcher rand mcnally road atlas air and i went through all the little towns and flaming river and screaming woman and monkeys eyelash indian creek and lots of cords and kentucky has wonderful names as justin sailor and so i just picked habit and mostly because you didn't have that in fact for a power couple of weeks the book was called habit

and we decide it was a little too obvious and we pitched well yesterday afternoon with your book in my i ran into a poet who is a nun and shamelessly i said i hope you still writing a what a gal abba which is outrageous but i thought you know i think i thought of it and that you can do it what did johnson all of those human level of the well let's begin let's begin with the beginning with your heroine and rosenthal oath is about rate of fire he is a militant heroic i can't figure out

why you would put a married woman pregnant and a home for unwed mothers now where did that idea come from and you couldn't get it as easily written story and not married her off so worley cause it never even occurred to me she is susan nice catholic girl that's why that's why she's married is really wish you'd get her pregnant and therefore the only record there to the home for unwed mothers it's about making a mistake much bigger than getting pregnant getting married getting pregnant getting out is a bigger mistake than just getting pregnant morning up in a home you know i so often you read a book that focuses on a simple character assistant then you on or halfway through the book before you really and discovering

very much about the personality of the lead character here i felt i knew her burial i don't know of iowa and why young people so very of critical young people who have other options lead in the marriage as you do but well above where it was very real to me that just as you set up in her head this was mr it was the right everything she'd heard about an worried about walls a low young planting tomatoes dancing all suddenly this one

policy might bump and you make that surreal when the book opens in sixty seven sixty eight so i think it's another time and maybe you women then were more inclined towards getting married getting married young and i think that's just the way it's why when you're nineteen does one boy to stop your clock and another one doesn't it's it's va has so much more to do with the night and what you had for dinner and what you both happened to be wearing and perfumed than it does with the person and if you're a romantic person and you allow yourself to get swept away you can make huge mistakes but i think people do that all the time so why yet so why relatively few of them discover a mistake as early as she did that's amazing and they are not yet she very broad but when he asked about that

perhaps more than we know discovered that so very few of them have the courage to take that ride again she's she's a a brighter braver character than most i think she's very human she wants something else she knows she's made a mistake she feels very trapped and she finds a way out of the chickens way out but well andy knows a chicken's wear those three of them are pretty gutsy the steelers car will sharon know i guess now garcia's when you go to guy and say look at me in a mistake when you take the car and leave under cover of night just a note now but it still it still you just heard well easier for the time being to stay in the long run i think it's probably pretty hard at what we were talking about the nature of warships well we own it i think you talk about the nature of it was very early

after american and everything she had been taught at home at scoot in church was wrapped up and where she was and what she was a white that's when a pregnant wife very own not that wal mart and the fraud all over and then there was a level of security there that nothing wrong with the gap as i read him nods subway she realizes she don't love them and maybe don't even like you know why didn't shoot well and you have to stick around a while and there was no there was no pain in the marriage though i mean there was no suffering there was no argumentation and no conflict but that would've been so much easier when i if it is slave the guys slapped her around then she could sneak off to her own safety not tell anyone and we would say well you did the

right thing when she could he had been abroad you know you can ensure of course you could have them but he was and he was a very nice guy but being a very nice guy is not enough that there's always the guy that you'd bring home and your mother needs and you knew you don't have it for him and she's a base such a wonderful guy treaty so well he's so nice but that doesn't mean that you wanna be married to and maybe when you're nineteen eighty for year and a half that's enough and then it's not me will cause mama nobody convinced their lives but it was right when she thought it was right now now she just never mind that she was again she grew up very fervently know you've got on the road we're still in what the first thirty we are i mean we are i mean you got but but but you know it seems to me that the style of the story is set the outset of their initial decision and then you get a sense of what he's

about how issues when she picks up as young died and starts lying to an unusual i never win when i said betsy i was thinking about really everything she did the representative made our young woman in the sixties a woman had been sheltered has to an extent not out on the street is part of it anti war demonstrations riots protests and it had lived with them life there in ludlow california none of that even comes into the plot all the political climate of the day it is a nonexistent in a lot of which is isolated from an outtake had that not been the case she even pardon i mean absolutely an answer but but that butt but we know that that was all rounder and because she was shocked and

i was surprisingly she had better job six of our job and says your prime and buster let's go right but she didn't remain she took him into work are worried about a little bit but them off they go and you know she's lying and there as you say that the promotion materials as their he understands early on that she was meant to be alive and well let's talk about the title of a concern it was the north is mind that down in that it's it was a rather late arbitrary decision i had a very very bad title for the book the whole eight years writing a man down at the last minute i found out it was a bad title i had a week i had ten titles up on the wall and every day i'd pull one off and that was the last one left and two days later i send the book out and i'm so relieved because everyone says gee that's a great time and i think about their but for the grace of god the book was called something horrible

well the impulse really well known as wada title thought the michael jackson album that that was a good idea i'm roy one forgets one is on television well i can confide in you at the senate but what was it ah i'm and that this is the original title was called the lucky you make that how and to look human eye level a set like you make and i was working it was towards the end of my mother called me one day was living up on cape cod in provincetown writing away hold up for the winter my mother says has a book drawing and i said ah it's going really great should that book and i said it's called the lucky me and my mother said what the lucky make the

lucky made collecting the little rowboat the mink that doesn't get to stand in line a politico so from that moment on i thought well on his aching called then all my friends were hugely relieved no one was breaking the news that the titles horrible suddenly quit got about the business of finding better title and always by the way people have said to me oh well rose is the patron saint of liars that is not the patron saint of liars sister eventually has that they can say that was a distant gaze anyone is wondering i mean i think well i think anybody who reads this book we'll be vested with apply it its woes titles it was iowa's that i worked like a magnet will gray it doesn't say anything about or if you were or what you did but it does say something about what we all are it we we do to live we live to ourselves we live to our family we live through our friends we live to our

children about their own person she didn't live to their parish priest well one does you know we live in a world where the options of pregnant women have become a matter of social controversy even a matter of street demonstrations never occurred to her that because it before was pre roe v wade grove it went there and that's not to say that when abortions in that way you know i set out to write a story about a home for unwed mothers a few wasn't going to have an auction which i

do think it was the time and i do think it was catholicism one of the things that is horrified me and this has only happened very few times but i've had a couple of people come up to me a book signings and say god thank you you've written the olson a pro life novel and i of course being the old cement further towards feminist citizen want to crawl under a table in it i use rubber boots now you know it really didn't deal will get all weepy and hold my hand and say oh thank you thank you and i think the year is probably not the time for me to bring out although i do think that one of the ways in which this is a pro choice novel is that it's all about choice nine abortion is a choice having a baby is a chore is adoption as a choice and the important thing is all those choices are open to here and this is the choice that she

makes it is the joy she met their town their options is the georgian now let's get inside that home and let's talk about why that is a story you wrote the story because of the story one pill going down a mine if it is one that worked for her it had ended the elements of you know who you are but beyond that you'd never occurred to me on that there is a market out there for this book of thousands maybe millions of women during their lives about their early lives and old lives or they're virtually a un know i can remember in my youth passing with my mother and father downtown street nashville a hole in a house

where there were these women and you describe them and they may be the secondary pages of the book when she gets into added kentucky walks in and there are these little padded their emails around the room each one looking like a second there have tried and it says men since i get a sense from knowing in there with her so being surrounded by balloons about about to explode or are overstuffed the cushions the ruling however is pretty early in your own garden let's talk about this experience that she goes through because as i say there are so there are so many young women do you have a lot of law because they make the choice

well it's interesting the very few very few of them left their less than ten working homes for unwed mothers and their country it's all outpatient in florence critter in service will is the large chain the mcdonald's homes for unwed mothers it is now all outpatient because there is and shame you don't have to go way anymore it's really fine in the society to be a single unwed mother i did go and visit a home for unwed mothers in los angeles the stands now my photo of the inappropriate of me to call it the st ann's home for unwed mothers in the book's co opted against that but it was an amazing experience to go into a room that was really like this one party these girls were having a wall and running around and doing each other's hair and laughing hysterically and they were all fifty and they were all out to hear and this really it was just shocking

but none of that would actually a relief really fascinating is there of it is human resource go back to that that period which i would like i mean they're a plan at when it comes back then yes and i was not aware of that there has been this the nation of a cottage industry the what well i guess that in my lifetime i'd known maybe a dozen young women who made that same joy through now in my book when i knew about that happening it was a time when abortion was not really an option and also coming out saying roman catholic culture student i was exposed to it but it was a dirty little secret again and again and again and it was a mean spirited it was a mean spirited rumor mill that put them down and hurt them

and they're re entry and so it was always painful and making a life after that was virtually impossible are less known name unless no one knew what is it possible really that no one ever knows so i think that that man i was talking to the people who run st anselm he said young back in the sixties was women who were twenty three twenty four said stewardesses secretaries young professional women on their own much much older and more formed than the kind of girls we think are going to go home he said they just disappear and they had to go take care of the sick and for seven months of missouri and off they go and when they came back everything would be just the same no one knew now we you know of the other nuns to put in the home habit of composites of loans you knew during your adjective yes i have to say there none of the other characters in the book are people that i knew based on people that i

knew that the nuns the nuns announce how the sisters of mercy from saint bernards you think they'd undergone so i'm sure they wouldn't have a really hard time because i use their names and if kate is yeah in fact palm so it was all that they know and so therefore was doing formal yes i had a great time in my first signing a natural when all my old high school classmates came in they were all like they had to really got hurt when you do deal with sullivan oh sure some space you're my best friends are none but you also saw you know do you think you're a liar when no i'm really not

it's not a very very complex answer but i don't have any great qualms about lying but there are almost no points in my life in which i need to live well in the criminal when you think in this book you created a woman who was a chronic lyme because i don't think you do it is where most honest characters in a way she is willow our own life seems to me to be going almost instinctive true she seemed to me to be a compulsive from poe well and there's also a weird fine line between maintaining one's privacy and line and in the line doesn't just have to do with rose son has a narrative book news my favorite character in the person that i'm in many ways i see the book to be about also had a past that brought the home they may have to each tell their own stories because they can't reveal their

pasture one another they have to lie to cover things up and then in the third section it's their daughter a badly divided and kind of allies it's not such an you know it's not like oh an italian i went to the store when in fact i was going to the opera for no good reason these people are trying to maintain their privacy they're trying not to hurt anyone else hands to kind of lay low but because they're catholics and tough on themselves they're calling again when you know sun is an unlikely in my judgment and unlikely match for her is not so a character heroes were made i think lied under that he's you know what i mean but you do you know i mean this is a book that deals intimately with the romance of the spirit our and he's not a very romantic spirit now believe what he does is not romantic away ej

then in his demeanor emmys and bees and die but when you change as a writer when you change when you shift gears and changed voice was a problem for you that sure it takes a while right it's not a crippling problem but it took me a couple of weeks at the beginning of each section to stop sounding like rosen start sounding like sun and how the impending did you have to re write part of what we talk about those programs and how how authors right now they create an end and was there are re writing process that would require exactly re writing i just every day i'd hit the race but and if you do that day and then that would be gone and i would start again until one day it clicked so i didn't i did write things and then go back and tinker with them i just wrote them and got rid of them over and over again until i gotta

getting in office then in the chair and how difficult it will be the seed for that and then a prominent difficult it was to get up for you with music yeah well it was this is true it's funny and going on the store and doing all the stuff that he having people say oh right so youngest you're so lucky and i'm twenty eight of the twenty nine momentarily and i see and for me it seems like i've been at this for a while because i was somewhat of a child prodigy and sold my first order paris review when i was nineteen and i had an agent by the time i get one of the top agency in new york when i was twenty and a book deal when i was twenty two and everything was set for me to be really a kind of a baby after and then ditched all of that and stop working for a while and did some other things and so when i finally got around to writing this book

i hadn't had a decent solid reputation your core people head been waiting to remember applying for a fellowship ones and aggressively can apply for this fellowship because you can have a book sly don't have a book he's so your impact of the average of what i know i know your book and this was four years before i wrote the book so there was a lot of that i mean i'm not saying that they're holding its nobody in your head then your hand at writing talent was recognized very end and i was a fairly safe bet and sisters of mercy say you know look what we created ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ah do its work i was it seen in two weeks ago ended and one of my old nuns and i can't get into the details of this came up to me and said you know i knew it i knew it all along i was there really a ride near you and one was lucky me in the brink plus a publishing

houses and badgered author of the fake as that our guest ivana word on words they're opposed as ben johnson this program was produced in the studios of wbez and the nashville issue i always felt that was john c compiler into the room civilization entered two you felt a certain kind of raised standard it came with his conversational delegate his sparkling often playful intelligent it even came in the splendid way he always dressed john invited me to be honest book show twice the first time in nineteen ninety four for my debut novel landed the ocean he interviewed a wild eyed novelist who could barely stay in the camera frame he was so excited to be published the second time for my second

novel pickett's charge john interviewed a more mature and maybe more cynical charles mcmahon this was in twenty fourteen twenty years later a two decade span between my novels on both occasions i felt a little him all of john's trademark critical skills he asked sharp revealing questions he held assure grasp of the characters and plot he had in sight to the intentions of the author in these interviews i saw that john whether in his sixties or his eighties would never be a host to simply phone again he read both my books he read everybody's books he took his precious time to research and no his guests why simple to john books and writers mattered so did he i like to think of john sigg and dark as a lighthouse keeper he blazed night and day with a passion for books

is bright light gave so many offers hundreds of riders through the years a safe place to land with our words with our dreams thank you john i for one will pass a bill bassist anymore this is an entity and now from nashville public television's mr delay

celebrating offers literature and ideas for more than three decades and this is a word on workers with jobs john c and welcome once again to word on words my guest today is songwriter singer producer offer rodney crowell is produced twenty albums are his four decades and continues it including nineteen eighty ades commons under that generated five consecutive no one hits in two thousand and three writing was inducted into the nashville songwriters all things he's here today with his mum or china very sidewalks we find out that his family has more than its fair share of characters but this book is also a loving tribute to his parents their marriage run it's great to have your word on words the dog about china or sidewalks and i wondered what two other ones the servers that title come from in you new mom planted those three cherry

trees right there well assad will inject city you're here fill section the issue senate it's a bedroom community and the issues in that but really cheap inexpensive housing for the workforce that worked along the the ship channel in new oil industry in houston and that's because it is a semi tropical climate down there's somebody hit on a pretty brilliant idea of making these concave sidewalks that serve both as a water drainage and placed a wall and up china very true for those that don't know this is a it's inexpensive shrubbery it really is you know a song is it just bear the shrub until you know there's no there's no real shade that to be had from the cherry tree and i always wondered i remember i guess david kris kristofferson talk about schoenberg truly johnny and

joey in the morgue or in baton rouge and i've always wondered you know i know there is her little green berets and they have a milky white liquid and saddam and at which were perfect for you know kids will have our slingshot june you could pop somebody with one and leave a wide mark clifford would sell it wasn't for all that you'd been hit you know you do you talk about a good way to introduce i'm used to this book you money and you but only through truth and the volatility and i think there is a solid took a visit to say that soda soda tells a story of the book remained of their relationship in those trees those they have them die and then shrug no way but they ever going to grow in the

us or other streets happy about three points we name of father was injured and my mother was cause a row i was an only child and brotherhood her diamond its infancy of a century before yet here but there was a thrill this and this will live in a full house in the service and so we planted this cherry trees line the whole job is because that the i didn't take all but rodney thrived and for years you know that via the funny thing about that little house and in the house really figures into the narrative that done at it you know their house was probably bill nineteen forty six and by nineteen sixty five it was six thousand dollars in nineteen fifty six when the parents bought it and they got repossess in nineteen sixty five the very same year just literally fell to the ground game of bulldozer away and that line lay empty

for you know from nineteen sixty five until nineteen ninety seven or eight and that the the child very true that tree grew rodney routes running through this was it didn't do then in may he predicted it would do thirty year with a predicament it's sort of a metaphor a way because i went back after my mother's death question the father's death i went back and there in their house had been built and that the senate was is this now a mexican community the second his citizens a minute bill the house around the ballon d'or and at the time i had a record called the houston kid which was basically musical memoir which just started riding around the same time us are tinkering with the notion that i could write prose so i took my cd cover notes both speaking to the

demons whose house it was now and i'm just pointing the cherry tree innocent that cherry tree i planted it was when i was eight years old please take care of it or of airline arizona's this hour and i showed him a picture of a world was most impressed with this so now the traders to eritrean if you take care of it he says autor and he did have a bit of english and he said i shave say ok but in their say so in back sometime later in and it was and then it's gone however there was at a stump there will spreads coming out and i think that at the time the someone mentioned to me i shopped over there and couples for you as you're out and brought it up in a tennessee and planted and see if it would grow you know i don't know if our control room could put up the cover of this book again but they couldn't unlike for the orange sun

look at her there it is the picture of your parents less cause a little way and the student is sitting i think barefoot on the porch and shirtless shirtless and that's that's less a picture of who they were less a picture of who they were they had terrible fight and terrible fights in the new year so you have the first say in the book you see if i come in here is so is it even for couples of the house yellow that i give a little back story on the mother father of their sons and daughters of sharecrop farmers in western tennessee and western kentucky and their inheritance was a strong dose of this entitlement and then i say in the book you know as my mother father or a far better equipped to manage other people's belongings you know what my mother probably clean your house

and my father to repair it didn't but ownership was something really foreign to them and just this house that that they finally were able to have a script of an idea to get it they just were unable to maintain ownership and in this that sense of this entitlement that they had and also the same token both were raised in and violent domestically violent environment and it was it was what they learned early lives for their culture it was a culture they came from a very wild culture and so you flash forty years your twenties and early thirties and you're trying to scrape out you know living at menial labor in houston and good bye you know how you were raised manifests itself my father my father was a

matinee idol look and fell you know illicit warren beatty and that picture as beautiful man my mother was a she was to suffer polio when she was young and and we've we found out that that she actually had a stroke in utero so the ripple effect of birth defects and right side of her body was partially paralyzed you know from polio and from a stroke and up and so she'd shoot served the less everybody very well right sever body she was always covered so sold my mother was shame was you know she was burdened with a sham la follette is over in a shame but he was he was a bragger of his overture to his mind and he would overcompensate and my mother would under compensate and they were the perfect balance reach that perfect balance for each other in the show what they were but it was a violent household very uncertain rather that he was saying and

you know the opening scene of music nineteen fifty five you know most of my family comes from a culture warrior he taught me to the farmer 22 rifle when i was five years old so i knew where it was in the closet and i guess i feel the fight coming on because i knew and beer and whiskey started happening at the same time what was going to happen later on sophistry gone out of that closet and with no intent to do that that weight is it is going to happen and when she said that you know of affordable insulin million for well i broke up the party announce over everybody out everybody follow other and unity in our talk and before we came out here that was their service center president for me where i realize that when things get crazy with him if i could somehow get crazier

but they keep things you know safe and in order and you know not a good haven't taken to a bill i know i mean it's a tough life for a kid a very tough life it seems to me is it it seems to me as i read it that somehow early on you managed to protect her by creating some changing the subject yes he was a perfect edible and you write that he would measure they want to have that but when they say this as we approach that subject in a domestic violence in a manhattan woman i wish i would have never written this book and i would've exposed that aspect of my father's nature and because his character defect had i not known the art

before the story was going because both my mother and father later in life and redeem themselves in i mean they didn't even really have a levy they were there they didn't have to redeem themselves with me because love is and will always bit but they're reading themselves for themselves and it was it was it inspirational to me to watch it as an adult so when i started pondering how to construct a narrative out of these crazy on this crazy on kabul that i happen to be a child in the melee and i knew that it was okay to speak about my father hitting my mother on numerous occasion and then by the same token my mother didn't back with a called bob rose the head actually no sos tit for tat in the long run but i can start with how dark and

dangerous and how this fortune was because over the course of their lives and their they're fantastic a love story in the end they really in themselves is a fantastic love story for those or you just joining us i'm talking with running crowd about his book coach and their sidewalks and i have to say and i don't say this awful two authors on the show i say do you view is rodney crowell has the gift he is an exceptional writer and this is an exceptional book and and i loved it i absolutely was captured by a ten and captured by the way you tell how you saw it kept about once early childhood in one point during a drive in and there's a fight going on about break out and you bash or so stitches on the negev desert just to keep them from evanston

as well and in some ways it was pre resourceful if one of them that i saw a newer was going on my father in the front seat of the car and it you know to add to recreate that scene from from the narrative for me being in the backseat and watching the escalation is always out all fueled year end and remembering clearly that you know the whistles like an announcement in my brain i guess that if you want to see that this doesn't happen you've got to do something we're actually a whack myself over the head with a dr pepper bottle and it worked and it worked in salt breeze brought these events and you know at the other side of it was my father gathered me up in his arms and taking the hospital to go to airing about me while i get stitches in my head when you know it's a great love story it's a love story or if

there's a love story between them and and their love for you and my love for this annual of the love in others that the one thing when you say about balance when you as a memoirist when you go back and recreating memories that you take your bill self with a night i can say that when i was nine years old that i was balance those it was tolling about you know hit yourself on the head with a dr pepper bottling all things are in balance but to go back in and to create a narrative that is that the intent is to reveal the love this behind all of this and that's why i was able to maintain the balance and also take my adult self back into the re creation of the singing you know i think of the many different

situations you're right about many different scenes and in which this conflict and you know is going to be conflict art you're in the middle of conflict somehow even as a small trial newfound away dominate your relationship with your parents the money it you know it gives him an iron all through the book i'm fascinated by how you're able to separate yourself from the conflict and they were not infrequent and then suddenly it there's about to be trouble and then when the speech sometimes it's just almost as if he was going on you know ninety nine and that was so unusual for a child really it is the war room a

well i'm a to me i have often said that then for most of my childhood and i'm in the first twelve years for sure that a new whistle and structure that the rhetoric that you know who oppose a referee it in that and you know the thing about being a guest the sensibilities you know as a poll out of six seven eight there was some sense of fairness and fair play the that was innate in suddenly where you know i say in the book that i absolutely idol was my father and it was hard for me to afford full of my father when i would have when i was at the meals smart pop can get right up in his face in and call it like that like a senior or like a solid enough most times and i think this is some sort of innate sense of survival is it

a mother's love is not as delicate as a father's love really from from a boy to his father so i was able to be angry at my mother and i wasn't really i couldn't allow myself to be a jury of my father later on an ad and my adult life on a stuart is seeking some ways to sort of you know i'm angry at my mother my father's was a visible bully in the situation and then we'll work with some professional help us started to balance out our you know i couldn't afford to now i had to not have my father on the pedestal because every young boy loses father upon characters as hell we model ourselves and he was so he was also on a bandstand quite often as the bone yeah i mean you're young when you at the drums and he brings you into it and it's basically all the dog ran for him it's every night on the state's the opera that's where is it is this was an illinois and all people yes well you know if it

was interesting to watch an end and again to or to recollect as an adult thinking about here is a man that you have already described as having met an adult who's in a honky tonk what they call ice houses with eight people you know in various stages of the neighboring nation and he is up there conducting himself as if he's on the stage you know that hosting a segment on the grand ole opry and ambac they're eleven years old playing drums and ten thank you know muscle man you know i didn't have the articulation of life or he's going for you know there are rumors and i think it was eight people the end of an era and all the old classics all your country music songs and you learn from him either they bring those lyrics of those things we do and they're so when you come when you come to just go on without

him much i am a product of mormon and father that my father lose our analysis of art about songs he knew so many songs we hear what we hear put no shoes away one time and know it for the rest of his life anew i don't exaggerate women's day out of thinking a thousand songs he was and my mother was a natural born storytellers and shoes shoes told stories oral you know a lot of my book especially about things that happen in the forties before i was born or just me remembering how my mother told me the story's over and over again so did take my father's sense of remembering songs of my mother's knack for storytelling that i was born to be a songwriter and then later i was rubber spoke us started tapping into more the gifts my mother give me which is the gift of gab and after to spin a story and answer no abc deity in the story

where were they were belongs is a great scenes in the book his invention and there is a woman building use info that bandstand job ratings of sorts and the mother goes at the mill but there's one he'll find a theater i think that you know for my wrongs a new modern well the back story for him for your audience here john is that my mother witnessing the book i spent a lot of time up my mother was devout christian and the a what we call a pentecostal issues book and tom's shoes' devout so for her are these honky tonks where you know the devil himself was loose in

this place and that year she was having to take up the money at the door you know as like your survival in as like she was already angry and another thing that my mother was a bit of a you know she was learning more selfish you as the valley of righteous christian and she was she drink some beer and so should be bored taken up money for them to come in here monday a place so nellie glick is down front gyrate uncommon among my father my aunt my mother's about six beers into the evening and she comes and takes you know i left it over the head then you know they're watching this gauntlet mr father of frozen you know is that for the first time we're going to do you know there is so much humor in this book and so much like those made it innovated you read it and you laugh and then the others in that touches your

heart and then there are scenes in which you just wonder about those poor little unmanned it ever gonna make it and you know you're writing a book and you know that money is going to make it funny and i'm going to stone again again again i'd find myself reading and and stop and laugh out loud that that an important part of the only you work in it in a way that even in even in moments of great tension even on the edge of violence in those great humor you say you grew up i guess let him as yourself well it is a baby crying inside the same time of year well the that you know it isn't unusual for you know poor families you know we we don't you don't really have any extra income for entertainment lawyer different you know my

cousin charles or my cousin edgar a local porter you know where it is like with a family who doesn't have anything there the self appointed storytellers and clowns and and the makers of mirth you know psych as if you're my favorite drunk all my favorite drunken uncle stories are tragic stories but this is for you know they have for example four gets in a car here he takes a car or would you know you basically steals a car and crashes into a telephone pole and gets out walks away and you know it always starts with awe about half drunk and has a copy of your id have laws in your life for the rest of the time you're all the leader of going and that you know i wasn't that have drawn that's that's the code for you tell you a funny story i turn this long line were about to run out of it there

is that closing scene with your mama and she says the king of country music alone yes we'll allow them father that matter roy acuff concert in the canon tennessee opponent tennessee western tennessee kentucky state line in nineteen forty four that's where she met my father so the real idea right cerberus out what happened when after my father passed away my mother up to the grand ole opry when roy acuff have that first dressing room and would receive people every nine it was below is a blessing so i took my mother and tommy roy acuff and emotion chip over the situation when i'm arun tom i met my husband at your concerts the can into this is an animal heart you know the sake of doing the cost of pro he just looked at her as a set i remember that

scene like i remember those to pay those to deal over the other pop up again i'm sure it was he knew this was a controversial issue this loaded out of there you know and it was such a beautiful moment and you know she said all right and he was just like always knew the day and then at the end given his hair that just like here's what i want to start what a wonderful book of run out of the money you so much for coming on a great book what a great story would radiate thank you what was a huge encyclopedia of you and thanks to all of you for watching i'm john sigg and offer a word on words it really is that's because

it's based on we lost a great man a national legend one of the classes smartest most interesting than i've ever had the pleasure now john was a catalyst for me he was my first big interview in my debut novel came out in two thousand seven my publicist had me slated to appear on a word on words this was to be my first major televised interview and i was simultaneously scared to death and the world that i was about to enter the annals of the show's history to sit down and talk with the german city and colour most doctors will tell you many interviewers are you the bikes they're talking point since a nazis sent my publicist and they rely on a few well placed questions to guide the discussion that was not john second ballot he read the black he read all the box when he sat down before the cameras rolled

he opened the back cover and i thought three pages of notes he refreshes memory while i panicked then the cameras rolled in we began saying he'd read the book is a misnomer he dissected it had done so in depth as a matter of fact that he asked me questions i had no answers for in ways i'd never thought about about parts of the book i didn't even realize where they are he drew every exquisite in china that interview peppering me with interactive tories and asides about his own life as a crime reporter diving into the relationships between the police and the fbi the poems the killer the why's behind the story my process our meetings became more personal after that i'd always wear my pearls in his honor he'd always wear a tie when he told me about the cancer i wanted to weep but he kept a brave face on and so did i every time we parted he gave me a hygienic yes because it might be the last time he was hyper

aware of his own mortality telling me his age with a sly sense of pride after one interview he plainly stated he was wondering about his legacy and he feared this would be our last interview once he wasn't kidding and even elway answer again once again welcome to world war ii it's a rare treat for you to that alice randall alice randall the controversy oh also of the window and all of them look you're looking of the banned book on that string that is the galley proof bound volume

of the book is now in the bookstores and was suppressed by a court of law welcome to world words unavoidable and a thank you don't think about it and so glad to be here i got this book losurdo months ago arizona's first lady and then along the whole one day i pick up the paper and i read that a judge in atlanta has been the window and all i mean how can a federal court stopped going what i will say you know won the first court fight annual is it said him announced say anything about the court fight intruders also understand that but that won't stop us from talking about what i think is a truth a parody of gone with the wind let's

talk about the steel mill where the idea first all came from to like this parody videos of slave perspective the dynamic in nashville tennessee as you know and i was asked one day by local plantation to come and give a speech about gone with the win lose a little well actually the us navy was the dummy plenty of ammo the board actually acknowledging that that time and that i am hardly the first american member and then that puts it in perspective because there are several hundred african american people who lived on the median pay for a small white family and job when we go away adele a look at the confederate cassava plantation passed in general with the way a lot of african american history as i've never been a person who wants to do that and we look at the plantation has an element of the white folks live in the big house and that look at that was in the black people on the field and in their cabins with the whale

out a plantation history but umm they were having exhibit gone with the wind i was asked speak and i had agreed to do so and i was at a christmas and after christmas party here in asheville and a friend of mine who's a little like intellectual woman came up to me and just took me to task for hours i cannot believe you are going to speak at bel meet location on the subject and i said the act did not win a must read them and so why would you be surprises that i am willing to they can't talk about any subject and i have some things i want to say about gone with the wind and from there i began that was interesting is usable you make it easier for them to have that exhibit by doing this was him being brought an exhibit of the costume from the movie yes and as as i understand it they so depicted those costumes of

reflecting the true image of the old so yes and the little things they were differing anwar textile designer's as opposed to looking at how this or how this an impact a black audience might be coming to the museum for example who might and how they would feel that i'm so that was this is not the first time and she knew a row why lawyers wasn't caught all the idea that you're going to go and speak to people about those customers if you're coming would validate the ringing of the exhibit exactly what's interesting is that she assumed as too many have assumed in this debate that anyone who talks about the what the way and loves couple evensen notable figures here who've talked about beloved characters as i've said these characters are not beloved to everybody and one of the things i like to point out is that malcolm x and his autobiography talks about the movie that says the whole summer was ruined by going to see dallas the land of

six months and a lot of years and then i say that something i would say malcolm because that same him what can you do to lessen personality and so even in our literature are ready and he puts the whole paragraph on that they had that's what the guys on the tube depictions in literature american literature but how about the race proceeded now i see you got a plantation and you made a remark you speak from the perspective from the new the different perspective the perspective of one who might have been a slave on the plantation and you know the other side but the reaction came on the other side people don't like it and a bird would use your view the truth will and some are very tense and it was a very interesting to get out actually the work here is a lot of people's eyes literally when i gave this talk of the end of it and i think it was interesting to me i'm that it occurred when something truly needed to be said on this subject that there was

strong feeling and the more angry and more to the point were some dissidents in two years and it wasn't a song empathy for what he said was also there when they were about things and their continued should not you should not come here in and criticize the sense of it i was looking at the text itself of the book on with the way in which that there wasn't there was somehow both sides and it's been interesting that town there were some votes on cigarettes been hoping is it's a complex issue so you walk away from that experience and we i think if it so the laws of your pitcher so i'm re reading gallant then the wind cause me to think what the when truly needs to be addressed because re reading it i give it the respect of treating it like it were a political propaganda that i think it's i don't think if you remember prices are going to

have that gone with the wind is it just about the old south and the plantation south goldwyn threaten in the nineteen thirty six and i think it is and argument for jim crow segregation it argues that blacks were intellectually inferior and incapable of self government and it was a more about nineteen birdies it which is written in the eighteen sixties and eighteen berry city limits a lot of and that i think this is one the reasons it's often been taken up as attacks from supreme says groups and other groups and though it's been taken up by genteel southern women to put that as a romance novel but underlying that romance novel sugarcoat a political perspective that is based on black intellectual inferiority you know youthful if some writers have approached this i had this experience

and i'd come away with saying so folks eighteen need to go get it now where everybody could talk about they would have a book that was really a solo and lifeless a world of what she missed you took a different approach you said i'm military going to win i'm going to take it from near the end threw to another period and i'm going i'm really going to satirize so the characters and modelling osama satirizes her view martin literal view of the world as it was and as she wonders to continue to believe it was and so you wrote your own view of her characters and that led in

pluto lives on trust by the world to say and you can say this so i'm going to say yeah this is another parody this is not set our this is a sequel and we have a contract right to decide who's right sequence delaware known scarlett is the first sequel and we've asked people to do other sequels and were planning another woman you're invading our contract right now writing a sequel well there was a fellow judge who made that decision and then three other federal judges who said he was wrong and so now the book isn't the bookstores and we all live and can get your view of a so that's the legal framework and that's the legal fight that you can't you can't discuss announced that it will anyone in next week to talk in more depth about characters as well as food texting

as well as the criticism so i'm going to do something with them so bleeding and fellow but let's go back to so now you create these characters are in your own image is your mind sees a man you look at the movie and read the book again and you come away with a feeling that and you know suddenly that she has really betrayed by people in demeaning way and you focus to kill essentially own men in prison their absolutely that was because i think they are absurd depictions you are so right when you say that i'm examining the worldview of gone with the wind and what and i think there's something absurd about the world and the absurdity one is that the loss of the slave world

is a sapping that you think what assumption would have to underline this in the assumption that underlies that is that there are these docile sweet happy people happy to be a supporting these more graceful gracious people amen and prissy and mammy are at the heart of that certainly procedures as shrill ste do big woman is known for not gotten nothing better than a baby's muscat oman which has become a shorthand for black intellectual incompetence she professes over and over that she knows how to birth babies and she has a competent in the crisis she reveals that she doesn't know and i think that's why we hear lucy quoted so much in the post integration world post nineteen sixty that probably today the most famous line from the book torture well it is that's a low nowadays he's visited

especially it's interesting exactly hats and the other one the e mail quoted often by african american man which was never presented to me is quitting time the data so injured them have had less worldly of slaves troubles correction is one of them wiley of the workers who had said what and and and just thousands of bell not your place to say that it back to work on the amy lee of belle of quitting time and everybody in the audience laughed exactly and that's a parody of black administrative structures set herself in that and so it's interesting that these airlines that what guidelines are hunting us today and i think that i know nothing about birth in a baby's ms scarlett hot fuzz to this day and it was an interesting irony to me that the new york times used as the lead on the floor when the more intelligent articles that they wrote on the subject

i don't know enough about birth and no parody i almost half a minor about it than my mother said you won approval are you in a period of narrative or you might get that she gets it you i live with my jacket as i said prince you may or may not know that about her innovative machine or the show does have to kill people that i can see the big difference between gullah the wind the wind and on these invalid where the slaves are stupid and they don't have motivation enough when done gone the slaves are hyper intelligent and ah are deeply motivated and motivations and their three dimensional carolinians are still alice furlaud to justin and you were touring with our trial about her new book the window and all about which you've read and now about was you're hearing now you must go to

so there's a book written by in a more social are so the blues scholars have sister now let's get straight if you think back to the movie and most of you don't be thinking about old thomas mitchell is the planter is they own he's only thirty three tatum in your only be taught are being your euphemism for this father's plantation and sinaloa was the job of west wing of thomas mitchell about characters and nothing drove home and then you had many i mean that's among likely oh that's an unlikely couple but when you think about when you read the story as you've written you you

take many back to that day when she was attracted room when she did she was sent us home was it an issue where there was a trade did to whom the only did have a shot isn't in my book went you're going to win when you see me in the first she's a woman about fifty to the battle woman of fifty but i question what was she fifteen years before that you should and thirty five what words she's seventeen years before that what kind of woman was she at that point and i'd see a man that she was as passionate a tractor woman the planter the aristocrat head of the household was very much a tractor to and i think what was his wife like what was scott's mother like fifteen years before she was basically a frightened child with no sexual experience not in love with this man and i imagined what are the possibilities and that what are the realistic the

possibilities and so czar is born and when we'd get to lower huge one independent woman but before we get to and maybe next week before we get to a tucson woman she's become less the staffer moment about what i think is the most moving moment in your party but it is at the funeral and i guess it's the same i guess it's the same the slave to survive and then they say never they were in the movies as good the move gives the eulogy and defiant her role as the mistress of a cup of coconut and i've and so our crop she weeps because she had not love many many and love scarlet too much

room for some root for you one of things i most attacking them with the wind is in all the images of american literature of mothers the most famous image of an american mother our mother american literature is the image of mamie there is no more famous depiction of maternal love in all of american literature there may not be and what famous depiction of maternal love in all of western literature and here is a black mother but she is has no black tom fowler oh she's a sexless creature she's no sexuality for our it's an image of a black mother that is completely co opted to the love of a white shark when you first read baldwin i was trumpeting of the leverage to be is right around then i read it prior to seeing the moon see the movie don't realize that it was i thought

very much set to the no men white hoods who tortures and then there are armed and then and then in a real sense of the word nigger will is a racist it is that he's backing if the word directv has consistently used to make you forget what the book really is a silly effort to give us shane to all the windows all with actor making of the movie and that came out of a lot of political protest by lax at the time some very a well orchestrated protests to the film company and i love that you have on focused on the death of mayonnaise seemed because for example one of the reasons there is a debt of many seeing is that the mammy somebody has to god and that image of them in the ass to die need to examine what's in

that scene and i think that the re emergence of mammy the assertion that mammy one hand shot out one had been attractive and to in fact i loved her black child but then that story is not new neighbor told is a very important assertion in my book and i think on the other hand what's most important that the image i love most but many in this week of your audience through these hyper literate people of america want to share if there's a line in the book she is wi fi and a listener hi this is mike target it as the hyper literate is a line that i love the mother of my favorite line is georgette is dirty laundry what leads washing and what i love about that line and where i think is a real redemption of that line it and go what the way in domestic work by black women it's just mean real talk well it is nothing else but me kneel point in

my book is a sort of metaphor not for me but for my character santa's got the book is written in haar first person diaries for its heart language and she has taken her mother's a labor entire dig into symbols for herself to talk about and government about the state about political things she didn't go to highfalutin language she goes to what she saw every day and by using that language is dirty laundry what news washington she is paying under all the laundry that black women have washed in their whole lives and i thought i'm trying to pay homage to that is a case is worthy to be a symbol not taking that labor and turning that into i think a good symbol a powerful symbol and that's what the meters to judge that that psychological transformation of her mother's of labor into her metaphor which is how she

begins a claim and she claims the language as she crafts for herself out of oliver reading but also for observation and though when craig as villages allowed domestic imagery here and there is a family domestic imagery beginning with georgia's that dirty laundry what needs why should i come i'm a sheet washing people that's an unusual way just going to say oh it's a way to come back next week and we talked about many things the loathing when we talk about the male figures in the book really gotten over it and i think the pro illegal about ashley now i'm calm after a national human sonora think that live in different terms in that well also talk about we'll also talk about some locally african american characters that you you have to do the lady vols and given different personalities too little

and about about a congressman i will be talking about now plenty of valet now the stalker just a minute about the disco you manage this whole or the best thing you can talk about it because it's still a case pending bumblebees and the bookstores you can buy me a man and what's main challenge now is so whether they got some legal rights to some of the money the lake for limb if i get it but that's another issue for love of the show all of that in the future they be a controversy that has thrown the book goes largely been based on the early lawsuit filed by some post by paula martha mitchell margaret mitchell state commissioners another character from his trip but bertha martin interstate and in that lawsuit made nearly

names and many news you came across looking as if he was sort of a literary house and picked up her own current i think that margaret mitchell's work and simply exploit it for your own purposes without any real sense that you don't apparently no they might've listened to you explain how you going to do that are what in effect but you're writing about them and said but it does seem important huge audience that about how by you tried to attack there were a fun challenge to the kitchen she makes owe the south but tequila plantation wye particular as it relates to the slaves didn't work what's out of her book you seek to put in your you i find and as i'm losing my

voice when you say don't educate the devout find this not the way you present it that this is the air you know this line of inquire we fundamentally insulting because what is fundamentally i think you're so accurately depicted the straw course they re assess drop me and they raised you know that this is a bit of a rip off doing the work this way with a harness way i could've done it and i'd chosen this a parody i chose to write a parody i wanted to raise the reader's consciousness i wanted two handed cheater examine how they allow something so unquestioningly i want to take them back to this territory and put it in a new light in have them say to themselves it's called the continent one about what's inside go with the wind but to what's inside the reader's heart the reader's mind i want people to say how can i love this book so much beloved they passed the ku klux klan or read

past the lynchings read pass the depictions of mammy as it i was fat to let so it is a work of formal purity and you know my background i went to harvard i graduate with honors in english american literature i'm so insulted when someone says parodies an afterthought who does not know like i have known for thirty years that's fielding wrote shambhala a parody of pamela i live in nashville tennessee where people work on parodies every day in the music and in the lack of mcgill actual tradition understand parody and a working artist position that understands perry i intended to write i would ask america how can they now recognize a black woman she writes while on our lives you know that they were helpful to have authentic by next week we'll be talking with you about the wyndham goal would mean gone with the wind

oh thank you for coming thank you for giving opportunities and intelligent this debate and i am so grateful felt a goal of youthful watching your head keep watching a word own words and keep reading and jones ago and bob dylan was set of john kerry says many refer to him as the north star there and what i think about john civil he was always in your start an iranian air it's our my career move

or anything i want to do in my life or did it take a little different turn you around every trail of passover the presence of john and i don't have a tell you know when i was talking about but there was just something about john's uses as a sounding board and is their presence in that world class entity that he always let me top mark miles self down now rosie get most of the masters in you rigidly rachel and he was such a wonderful presence nashville such a unique police units a star making team and every monday morning susan mckinney starring edward lives in gets thrown around a lot and national icon those cousins and those are those are not terms that are in short supply but the term state and you don't hear that much these days period not just a national period amanda was born in tuesday's recall be a statement his life as a statesman and tilly somewhat manual

proverb about when a man passes away a library burns to the ground will soda is we must see a car however jon live such a wonderful library follow us the feast on for the rest of our lives he was a wonderful statesman you know my friend i loved him very much and current us and our deepest love to do lawrence and the boys the grandkids to see him talk liz from nashville studio way celebrating offers literature and ideas for more than three decades this is word on workers with jobs mr don johnson you know

welcome once again to word on words my guest today was born and raised in large part of the city and carried on to success in both washington and fred thompson served eight years in the united states senate from closing and sought the republican nomination for us president to government is an accomplished actress on in the end the award winning nbc series law in order as you know but then there was a movie is such a diehard to in the hunt for red october it aired earlier today with his book teaching the big advance it's a heartwarming book filled with funny stories were going for the world were my friend it's good to have you back on a war or it's great to be back with you you in your lifetime to talk about the book at that moment in your career when you were on nationally and actually find those on and now you will find his work on any reasonable before watergate had done you had catapulted war again warned it

catapulted you love me you had discovered those nixon tapes and your house or well i guess for a year thirty year old company warner a certain comparison investors others in that category and so was pre world know seems like a distant memory in many respects but those were those are certainly fascinating time for a country's history is early for minor you know that this it's autobiographical boyd is so my room with a very light touch and p i think of your career hi you played some very heavy wrote the movie the room and father figure and on all you might not think that was i think a young boy is other who wants to play that role understood exactly where you are in and what your

mission was in that movie on you've had heavy cases in practice and more our member talking to you have one point about your effort to rig the teamsters to bring them out of that sphere corruption and aman iman and then you work in the senate race for the presidency on it that's a very heavy lift to put into a book but you decide to give it like that's why that flow i started out thinking about the typical autobiography where do the chapter to each one of those things that you just mentioned them amount of awards for the grocers i started writing at the start remembering these all these things that happened the funny things about them what effect they had to the only as a kid may be surprising though some people might find that to

be allows a good thing almost got thrown out a house who barely graduated and was a father at the age of seventeen and i had had a few challenges voters show we say but along the way you grow up with the most interesting colorful funniest people including my own bed and my grandmother that you could ever imagine and that and the things that i experienced man and then gone values such as you do bad things bad things will happen to you and the commerce is also true and that when you decided to go first north possible million dollars third brigade country with a year and the doors are our waiting for young people would know a path redeeming social value to your body to walk on through you know video of a funny story about

leo from london for everything that comes well a good camera shows how are you growing up you know or the way i want to parties aren't you felt like you're of a privileged kid if you if you grew up in the county seat man you know you have of news we had a movie theater near a baseball even little even and then the courthouse for sure they were shooting in the chorus for example but it may well toast or about live in the vicinity an old boy there who worked in the cuban missile crisis people who were there and you had all of his earthly belongings look like you know packed up in the back of the book though the trucker little confidence of the lives of this idea is that it follows or not they said well yeah but what makes

you think that is going to run in london famously reset its account is safe across a quote what we were able to be callous and simple one for bills until it's a huge fracture important you can just about every player who just mentioned that in the category of them at the restaurant davy crockett and you know down the street from the big rocket theater the road from the rockets gloom of that practical service station david crockett do so long way out has named about half well as i say it's like don't you follow them yet a great great sense of humor and very dry it's grade education won't go talk about the endgame

aren't involved in the news conference and many had that a lot so a lot of the fletcher was a widely respected man and you say he was successful for one reason they gave many reasons but one particular reason you pay debts and a lot of the research that's exactly right he did have a grammy and his parents couldn't help him a camel for farmers that some of that generation that neck of the woods did and know that any formal education my folks met in the marriage then you start up without any help from anybody in the us it had was a good name of the back from the national bison karzai had the blues though as mike are down and then you know he sold so carson same old town for about forty years and to my job but used car salesman but they'll be done something right because of course the voters will see every day for forty years over and over again and that is locked was there it was the sight

of my growing up in so many of the politicians and the town hopes the broken record you know stop and poisoned checkers listen to some country music's watson was in you know the politics there was early in your background i have a complement of love democratic commitment party commitment roll low fi home cooking but there was a there was one republican around town have eroded allen who despite the fact that you forgave it and was your friend for a long time and i have a sense a mayo dad in your direction republican measure did he had it had an

influence on me and you know you start talking about a second vote and the reaction to him and the other one was was mai mai drove my sweet arch wife's grandfather yeah but you're taught him about labor roman catholic <unk> her coffin and michael long story short about him that broke out of the one the life is going by chris keppler went and ran off to cars and there was an accident sort of ten years on on a practical joking and garry got a lot a lot of times in my life but thirty early walk downtown us and so forth and it was a good good talking to argue that was a band that i saw him every day in a rematch and awful but for years and years and years when i got my law license years later came back a large bird our modern the story didn't remember it but i sure did and he

was still a strong you know good presidents they've been an eye when i was just a little kid running or not my wife's grandfather was on either in the end in her fashions at the family out so the mama bear baby this true but a surly and her family use so be anything to me the sensors is in a thing to him or most bees because you know one the family friends and told pollsters mother's a darkened for an amazing works areas where her daughter dropped on and so but the papas ago when he was a warrior and when few republicans and turn to commanders weighing in the stupidly showed faith in may when there was no real reason to mcmahon a lot to you speaking lovingly of sarah your

first live and express appreciation to her yet although might not like the candor they are might surprise some people many of the public that is my of his past or their first marriage why decided to but those photos were i had about the part of our lives the starting out of my life and the change of direction in my life i couldn't i couldn't write with a that were shooting shia in the end the pros of current low when we're just cheers and teenagers and you know i look back on it now and realize how young we were and i was now seventeen at that era's scares me to death because we have each other you know we thought it was possible cause you don't know any better you know anything

becomes possible and i have three children and i mean you just can't you can't avoid that an example or the professional <unk> my mom parents of the road to the moral bedrock that god and always live up to but i always had as a standard and her folks besides being good people of her her uncle was ordered her grandfather the mission was was a war and the other there were all accomplished another uncle of the major wars burden a little lives of the measure up to i couldn't let these people know me i can embarrass myself before these people so happens is largely poor bore about all the usual having proven somebody that they're wrong about you as a strong motivator you know but a fundamental part of the thing that i've been able to

you know you know you remember after you've played a lot of practical jokes weren't were very funny and and you got there in a few times and beyond that you had a very promising athletic are you a great high school athlete well alice directed that i thought was good to just coming into my own you know love polls giving them beginning to fill out his wheat electricity and was just getting to where i thought i was going to be on a horse or i thought my athletic ability and matt good looks would see me through life and you know both of them played out on me so i had that i got injured and you know i'm a football career broke but the time serve i get married so a lot was happening to undo that same time as a young kid and eye ear some

decisions that they can and because of that little town and the people they're now folks or folks are you know i have spoken out to do something i want your what had no idea what the real decision i ever made there was a firm decision in advance was you're a reflection there's no biography mockingbird you know special or a regular pads or boats had no idea what was an ongoing going to be what he wants and i decided that everything else just can't happen one thing were the manager went to another if i hadn't have been assisting us attorney american power brokers attention ahead of them then there were gun a selected to come to what of watergate you said that the memory was on a problem and i never heard from him if he hadn't done that i've never been in the movie

business because her case led to the making of the movie that i played myself and if i hadn't done that i have probably would love and a winner of the masters and the girls a game you will ride a job as a basis to start from so it's just it's been a it's been a magical flying in an airliner respects not the of achieved all that much but it does goes to show that a little little kid them from a little place you know data can can can do a lot of things with that with just the right years ago do well aware of that and provide that the confidence of incentive for the kid who maybe have some possibilities there that the lonely just joining us on baldwin fred thompson about it will be june the big bands and it's a wonderful autobiographical account a lot of a meaningful life and despite what you just said he has

achieved so much in a career that has been an impact on this country you know you love you you talk about your mama day an iron bar is set in great sense iran bought the way that he teach her in a way she'd covered yeah i think the euro final book would do which runs through it really come from in their banter in a very meaningful way and part of the humor in the book is their banter is you go to be sharply cut up a punch line message two so for some of the beauties show opened to do back in the paper you know should come again although look absurd with a close stuff like a hundred different takes over that one line should always let terabyte

always break up it's illegal but the newspaper's mission accomplished and you know just one thing after another and any gotten honestly <unk> my grandmother used to watch wrestling with you know what's that the major indian read preferably waldo you know and get my ground they didn't say much they stand out from his cafe windows of joining cafe there that was just about like his new standup different mcgavin but to sixty or smoking cigarettes your big smokers a stranger walked up this is a muster said would you recommend that i going this cafeteria is a genomic interested reserve when you go and you know we should go and go i just just like that only now has less of the atmosphere my bed and so he just he had a funny line or take roll him out of the hospital role anomaly operating room

from the situation that ultimately killed him you know on the surgery as long surgery and couldn't speak was just the verge of death and m you know in a sense a broken up and mr leppard was a certain that there but that's i can't i get it was built take things in your shoes and i absolutely have to and an extension of the serious thought you dig into yourself and but the other lines of the chicken which are among those you know you love is so pure in the sectional are better than an impact on their life because you recount those many of us remember or you were at a john can anyone kill

your mama with england and some of them made for speech on dress she wore but their goal was in nineteen sixty four and that speech grant you man a moment toward conservative republican of them begins right there yet that doesn't large part you know pat had had some influence on me to bike in the enlarged borders says the conservative lawyer and so forth and but is it as i got into college and and the books the first the life and history and founding fathers political philosophy and support them in the end goal water and worry about but likable and the daughter with a straightforward news is cantankerous listen you know his even his hopelessness you know is a there's a presidential candidate in all appeal to this young idealism i guess that i saw myself is is there someone

we're wanted freedom above all one of the euro's anything but independent but i saw myself in the future someone who are you know do not need to be further day but here i think and i like to stand watch or be certain that actually i came i came back in early on that appointed with the with others including alabama howard baker was one time money square last burglary was counted in the world for the senate and in order of thirty was so your later bye my guess is historian about growing in the us it is later i went back now and back our lost you want but they recruited me to be the manager for a congressional campaign you have any sense i wouldn't know that to the fact that they wanted me to manage a campaign tested to the hopelessness of the coals and it was there

for a black the reason is the wages are and the great man and america but a hopeless candidacy and and as his campaign manager did things like you know design the billboards up clean up the mess and warships pretty creative for a time and then bought billboards so but so far but over how you can replace it and things like five kilometers away so we got select but it was because of my involvement in that campaign that i came to people's attention as the prospect of assisting us that started you know back when it was for best eternal turned over you know every time you have presidential elections for jews terms of the civil service in iraq are talking about was one of five assistant us attorneys and wound up going to trial most newborn federal criminal cases among them middle

tennessee area you know big party a story is recognition or jiggle second chances the second marriage wonderful relationship with jerry to be real children i own a lot of second chances and i guess we all having that so few people are willing to admit it so that we only you you talk in the book a little bit about the role of luck and i think we all can grapple with the question of how much of that is in us and how much is it fate for better for ill we like to think you know when bad things happen you know if it's good things out of the pits us deal but that make sure you know is is a part of of all of us and it's intriguing to me i really do consider myself to be most fortunate and and having as having

the ability or the macro foolhardiness of the courage or the color to recognize opportunism thousand they came all but not the crew not not the foresight to create just to discover cast other the world and here i am you know our give us a chance to be lucky and to end and just about every time probably about defeat for the presidential nomination included and i've been lucky in that i'm a professional and of reason and no and then in the people i've met be an ongoing the people have got to know and care about care about me you know on it's such a diverse career does a photo all manner of venue with president reagan as a very young man and then get sued members of your family oh you're not in their will paul newman although you don't want a one in bilbao being in the movie isn't really the directive but there is this question for

<unk> goes out to those those searches i was i was so mean to somewhat lowball kid who's there is about my age she was caught up with a movie about a movie star club that was some residents who is going without that was so seriously and so on clooney and living in a house can play was so ridiculous and all the gods are sort of flash forward a low low ironies of life and then you're so meticulous in durango mexico and you know i don't tell in the movie is one of them a wonderful experiences men in another book movies in more detail but you get there and he was speed was ill it was cold a durango mexico he wasn't feeling good and the iraqis that you were on was a never met of course and i was in all and we started running lines

with each other girl former roman ship summit a couple times when he said that led us to start he said i'm so sorry said i am usually better than this he said i'm just you're not feeling good and under them or so there's a pause as intimate right paul newman yes i told him and then he sat there out of our line you know a lot of times when the cameras back on new years later now i'm enormously wants to he insisted on sitting member writing that our island off camera no nothing and as the consummate professional such a nice person and that doesn't make for as much interest i guess in a book that man again so fortunate and i could repeat that story about a lot of people that i met in the business frozen continent for hostage in the big events of the great stories has been a great lot of them just don't have a mobile ah i don't know it's maybe

somewhat what pregnancy and job are the marchers takes awhile after the worst movie a lot of research that i think emmett till the rest of the story about the movies in the senate to not lawn order and tons of things about the decision to run for president what went into that maybe maybe someday they'll fail and people wanted you know out to do it we would love to read about thank you so my job that's all of evil watching and john c and all of your own words he predicts steve conversations i had with john same color

about books and literature and politics that they are my main memory of home my main memory or something that i wonder whether people experienced or not i i'm probably twice jon side has become a big guy i'm used to being with johnson used to be with the military guys who hauled him slap when i would be with john the thing that struck me most was the way he would slap my back with this explosive slap it was affectionate was solidly it was warm but i was unprepared for how strong it was and it would bring to mind the physicality of his life something you don't normally think of a journalist you're an editor or a man who lives the literary life but it would bring back to mind the young reporter rescuing a man about to jump off a bridge or a kennedy administration official taking a beating in alabama when the freedom riders were there and there was something about his physicality that

came through that welcoming friendly jocular slap that was so so strong and so warm and so affectionate and made me remember the other side of john second dollar not just the man of television the man of law the man of books of the written page but with the physicality of the mail that i think was something that we was always there that we always knew but sometimes we missed because of the other things we were discussing with him but i haven't i have a distinct muscle memory of john sicher dollars slap on my back and i'll i'll never lose them families this is your read of london and read a

message from johnson sending thirty years on and pt liz from national television studio way celebrating offers literature and ideas for more than three decades this is word on words with john c johnson in the world welcome once again to word on words our guest today is a first time novelist jt ellison is here to discuss her debut book all of rigor of jp welcome go around words that

somebody had and let's begin with the beginnings of what the age at central that is my real name abbreviated and i my age and decided it would be a good idea for me to use initials in case some of the mail readers would be turned off by woman and it gives a little androgyny to the name and hopefully that will bring its more people say mom in college aged actually duties been a nickname for a long time so that's not true that it is very natural to me all pretty girls all pretty girls is a mystery about a serial killer right valium as we find it a very disturbed and mean spirited first farm where the idea for this small comfort actually have his skin soundbite i had a dream i woke up in the middle and it up or i had drunk the entire plot start to finish the sisters every day and i got up and i got a reporter's note

it would be in question were in the marines yes they were quickly we should tell the audience is a television journalist right when you know i should write one of your own very much out of my animals and quinn her sister is very nice person among the somali says a socialite to have a lovely lovely life lovely home and talk a little bit about the year to start create day of a female police have that right here on the national police and she's attractive and in love and then you give her an fbi agent hello in poorly come from taylor is an embodiment of my own hero complex shoes and she didn't she was not in a dream i had i had her before this particular plot came to kill

you wrote a book about this about a cop named taylor yes taylor jackson and that was she was the basis for everything and she has very uncompromising morals she sees everything in black and white bear she can only the findings in good and evil and she is truly dedicated to making the city safer for everybody who was on it and seize seemed to be a character that people could identify which juveniles of the attack on ike and she wouldn't change so much from book to book because she is very steadfast in her ideas so you linda taylor jackson taylor jackson taylor jackson hopefully taylor jackson teller jackson's is dr john bowen yes served her and romantic interest an fbi consultant and iran and criminologist is he going

to these european leaders seem again again is in an office on four you know that's one of those decisions make a little further down the right now was the dream that must've been a horrible going to create a serial killer who focuses on burnett's a brown eyed brown on brownie and interesting twist in the cork that identifies the serial killer it as you say when the mortars began with consensual sex and strangulation mutilation talk about the mutilation say it takes up their hands he transfers he keeps one from self in transfers one to the next crime scene and leaves it with the body of his next victim it's it's something that's going to raise awareness of the crime make it a little more heinous if it leeds leeds and everybody seems to be

very entranced with this kind of horrific crimes right now and it plays right into that was interesting over and lada years many authors been where you are the ministry office had been there some of the root about serial killers ie you introduce this subject about drew baldwin about how to identify this serial killer in an interesting way to mean first for you so you open up with an interesting you you and there's three cops and the national police department and it's a slow but they can and thus only murder out west and the county near itchy and counting they should frog in love more from

within minutes more women somebody else's jurisdiction they rush out their tale as ordinary baldwin comes and when they discover the mutilation it's ballroom to tell and she asks what you do here to listen on that number and on occasion says the border in metal measurements account they're designed to reform it was the reason it's interesting he's been they think it's somebody who's been working for the past three or four months and taylor gets quite upset that he hasn't let her know that that there's a serial killer out there that it may be coming to nash oh there's no way to predict that of course and he defends himself against her anger but it's one of those situations that that they are faced with a great deal but theyre faced with a lot

that the eye has serial killers there's twenty fifty and sixty active serial killers at any one time they watched them they see what happens they are so intermittent they can't predict sometimes what's going to happen next so that's that's how he defends himself for this windshield for legitimate but will but she's not happy with that and helen lovejoy with her friends are her fellow cops wonder gives a clue really all about the relationship between john you know we got everything right with jurisdictional the aisle is at an nra has its of its well known at least among mystery writers are not real life unless i suspect the religion that the fbi and local cops don't always get along they were together when they need each other why but there is that

distance you begin the book you have the share of glasgow and end them and he makes more unwelcome the main you know the prius common sentiment solicited for the relationship is as good right baldwin's attitude about that idea is responsible he respects that there are other people that are just as good at this as he says he's never been a very elitist profile or he'd he wants to help people he wants to help solve the crimes he doesn't care who does it is a characteristic of mournful of music i think it is i think it's my personal experience has been there are a lot of cooperate efforts that go on their squabbles there's gonna be squabbles in any a jurisdiction but it seems that they really do work with the fbi worked with the tdi this is hearing a national obviously they worked together to get things done and they have a joint

task force they actually are cooperate with and that's i think something that's really across the country that we writers get to play with the little bed and turn it into a little more of a proper for what you just said leave me goes to a natural question what about this research how much research did you do tell you how deeply or you're able and i know a little bit about this piece of a variety of militants an introduction have deeply did you immerse yourself in the life of law enforcement as deeply as i could and talk about i started writing the book i realized that my experience was limited to reading other people's books and i had no idea how a real investigation went on what a car would do what they would say cider a political questions i called down the homicide started asking and that happened again as a detective who was very interested in what i was asking him he says what you come to ride along that turned into several ride alongs

ride alongs with midnight shaft he and i still get together they don't do right alliance for people that aren't in the police academy anymore but the citizens police academy but we still get together and talk and be humorous as me in everything that he deals with and it gives me an air of credibility to taylor i think that she is very much like what everybody is actually doing years ago as a police reporter young journalist find cover the police beat for a couple years and most interesting trip every day to the other side of the world it's it's a totally a different environment is those men and women no women in those days of men and women experience had to come out of that changed changed i had no idea what these people do what

they say how they have to adapt and deal with things that for you and i would actually floats that it would take us weeks to recover from the things that they say and just being out on a couple of ride alongs we were i went out on the midnight shift with the patrol officer and the very first call was astounding and it was in the projects and it was not a good guy to town and we got there and had to elbow her way through to the victim and he was bleeding out everywhere and it it was hacked designs for them and that scene is really where you open this book yes that very city yes so that's from well i guess it has well adjusted for real life in this room is a stunning piece of fiction but it's all it's inevitable but the headlines are going to influence his plot and ideas and in some pockets but everything in this book is a figment of my

imagination it's it's something that you know i've taken maybe a grain of truth in blown it into a field of corn just to make it into something that it's not too exaggerated that the end it like on the moment when whitney the television and both report an anchor right and whitney was fewer want to both berg and get the big cut right to say then does she's interested in you get involved in this big crime story and she gets in london where this both rice and through email turns out that there is a simple agreeable i mean that night and that's the english major and make we'll talk about talk about the border because

the sheer will argue what year it was about that i thought it would be it a horribly creepy to take what are traditionally love poems that the young men have written to women to wear them and had that as a kid how he was identifying himself how he was leaving clues he's leaving a poem in each of the of the victim's the facts and that obviously is a huge clue and leads them where they need to go right it's it's a perversion again of a lot of which is what this killer at alternate ways about talk about whitney and how he discovers that what he makes of that whitney is she's a smart car keys being manipulated and falling for her quite get sicker an open and rushes off you know that it just half cocked of office tries to get more information about but helen she's she's being held the politics she doesn't know

why she doesn't know what's happening and when she starts putting together at the same time the police are putting it together she sees as that's as an opportunity this is it this is how she's going to blow this bird and then make the big time and she's being manipulative though the whole topic she is really being manipulated and so why they've baldwin says to her and maybe to fix the world cup so distillers trying to trying to send as much history he really wants this is not that he's just being provocative really wants to get caught that true do serial killers that leaves those clues blood on the walls message is the same you know we read about it not only in fiction but in real life they show they love to show off they're so smart they are so intelligent they're so much smarter than any provincial cop could ever be and this is

their way of throwing it in the cops think it's an end this killer in particular certainly is doing that i think it is a trend that they say you know out on the street all the target for those of you just and then i'm talking with jd austin about about her new book her first book all the trigger of an all pretty girls another pretty we discover who his serial killer is now i should say to our audience i know some of the serial killer's when i go to tell you because i know in your way it is marvelous sequence but if you drink it you knew from the outset who was notably did you know how you were getting that now that's one of theirs issues that comes along as you're writing the book you what's going to

give you the biggest bang for the buck at the end the book well it's a big bang bang i tried to figure out if we were long ago when he would drop includes us who it was singing gimme gimme many along the way you believe me downs may grow compress it we just didn't do that you're always tempted to throw in the red herring in and send the plays off on different trails the book only takes place in the course of a week there's only so much realistically that's going to happen in the course of that week to send them off on false trails so i did try to keep it a little less complicated as far as that's concerned but they fear this killer's is moving from state to state to state to state state pickett eight states in seven days and that's i felt probably enough for them to be dealing with just trying to figure out where he could possibly be going next

and a long list of the most talked about about queen and the sister that socialite that attractive intelligent person are you in your mind as a writer was her role in this book she saw the catalyst my own she had no idea how close she was to death my own look when jews in and russian personnel who she is she and when they are identical twins and very much so identical twins but they're the kind that when they hit their teens they started diverting and going into different path a lot of twins you know end up together the whole lives they they took different paths and she is she's the perfect juxtaposition of whitney's ambition and desire to be in

front of the camera and be important and be somebody's quinn's perfectly happy to sit back to be a mother to be a nurturer to to do the good things that she does in the community to work all the charity organizations in and have a life with her husband and her family of course that's not exactly what's happening but it's what she would like to have happen is an outright it's an exact meaning it then what about what about the all about whitney they are identical twins and they identify with each other parent the same affection there but they did did they live in two different to live different worlds until until the emails the poetry crying so to bring together on this on this one issue has to be a little frightening for quinn

the city on the periphery she's been very sheltered doesn't expect mean there's there's things that have happened to these girls that that have shaped and they've become and i think that's a direct action for him they end up being at the end of the book no i don't know about i don't know about the poetry it is quite good our utilities will lose the writer pearl oh no no i i read some requisite horrible puppetry a couple it's just a terrible stutter to be burned but i used my favorites tennis and die in coal rich all of the people that when i read i am i'm getting something out of it it's evoking emotion in me and i was hoping that it would do the same for their for the reader and for the reader and also the whitney and quinn is very special meaning especially for

quentin and you think as you know london but what was it in your mind that this surreal political woes on the play this game just because of his closeness to the two twins no i didn't really know exactly when i first started out doing it strangely enough to you have to go back and find the motivation and why this is happening and why he's done this and it's it turns into something that he and tulips and that's where that's where we find out he knew really is about prison is really that particular moment when when you finally find out about jake ios and villains i you know i know just how bad he is let's talk about me the way you write that it won't be considered a job where is the gun isn't just forty fives a full time job absolutely i

get up in the morning i work some of the business angle i do my email read newspapers go through the things that i need to do and then i sit down and i write as long as i can and twelve before is usually you know good for our honor and a uninterrupted chunk of time to get stuff down on paper issued for at least a thousand words a day that that minimum three of jordan i do have darkened ruins and will i do a first draft i had a critique group which i'm able to go every other natives of acknowledgement yesterday you really were fabulous i would never have gotten this book to this level without their input day i bring in ten pages they say this works that doesn't work you can't fix that apostrophe they're wonderful with all aspects of it and they didn't interact with them i'm at a delta in slate at a sisters in crime sponsored event

the john connolly when he came to read in nashville into thousand five and i met her on that night and she said you know you're a writer you're not and sisters in crime you're not in mystery writers of america what do you need to join all these things and learn she ended up being the head of this critique group invited me and about six or seven months later tell it was it was a huge some little moment for me to suddenly be able to share what i've been doing by myself in a vacuum with other writers and that's obviously just opens every you know it it's a different it's a different job of running but there is a great national commission on the original fugitive poet great writers what is the measure of patients all of whom we the students and

teachers at vanderbilt and the twenties used to meet at home mom with one avenue where they would tear the shreds each other's work critique it i'm sure present as well the fugitive traditions of state as it has been reborn with with those groups are you take ten pages in and take ten pages we sell out which obviously is a wonderful exercise to yale and then everybody goes around and end the mark what they've got a problem with they discuss it in and you've you've got the wrong entrance to belle meet yet you need to fix that streak it and think you know even the little bitty details as well as the big picture and over the course of the year we're working now be able to bring in about half of my book none of them have ever read member of any of my box at a selective you've expressed surprise for them when they finally get to it and how much

advice you get from i take a lot of effects there's a lot of advice that i decided no this is the way i want it is this is my writing style a much more spare kind of stalin little staccato with what i do and that has a tendency to bother people who want to have commas and ends in and things like that i'm so it i take what i know always going to make a difference for the story ends smile and nod for the arrests fit and they've got news and then you get a splitting absolutely worked absolutely ari woman i've there's one girl in particular that i really am pushing because i think she's got the talent is not published at nine i really think she can bait and i've been pushing are pretty hard you'll hear it will be sitting there for hours of the images come naturally i think writers

block is the story telling you that it's not going in the right direction that there's something wrong if you're sitting there and you can't come up with anything to say then and you've taken your story in the wrong direction and it's a way to find your way back so it i don't necessarily believe in a i also do a little bit of non fiction writing to that breaks it up for me if i am getting stuck on that night and i really i think that that's not a fallacy but it something that can be worked around we have just a minute left and i know there is a moment coming years and that and what it's called fourteen it's gonna be out in september of two thousand a it's another taylor involved a look and in this book there's a serial killer called the snow white killer who work nashville twenty years ago inmates any killed ten girls and disappeared they've never caught him and he has re march twenty years later and they are trying to

find out who he is and why he's come back and those abroad that there are now more about what local and that's called judas kiss and it's the first book where taylor has to explore some shades of grey which is been a lot of fun to write and that'll be out two thousand nine daredevil or it is difficult for her she's a very black and white person well we've run out of time alice thank you very much for being with us today thanking is going on to thank all of you for watching we've been talking to jt allison about her new book first of all a pretty girl or a warlord i first met john single or a photo session and wits of photographer thought it would be an interesting photograph to have a stand just nearly nose to nose with writer peter jos a little bit shorter than i and then as we stood there you know you started

gritting his teeth he went to happy about it nor was that it said well this is a good way to get to know each other was sure we'll forget each other and i was delighted to be standing there close to him actually end up because i knew what a great man he was i knew that you know he is editor of the tennessean in its golden days that hits you know there's so much activists work you know to summarize movement and then first amendment rights so i admire the man and then later only call wanting to get me on the show to talk about my memoir child or sidewalks i was delighted to be on an end and before the cameras roll we sat and we talked for a while and answer that hit me as this man its kind and the thing that ended the interview the dispute put me so it is for the interviewer an all time taken you know this is a kind man talking

to me very complimentary about my book but he just i'm a kindness is is what i'm drawn to learn and what i took away with me and then after that interview you know we had lunch together a couple times in and i never got very far away from this grated admiration and actually love for the man and because of that a really deep times that he had an old is saddened to know that it let this but inaudible to use of him to carry with me where i go and it's it's always great to have someone who it won him a little of it then i certainly want to emulate johnson and color fb so you know once again welcome to world words i guess i'm

so ebay have my old friend david halberstam but the standards firehouse firehouse ms haddad annually and so having it here but i tell you a firehouse very are not attacked suu is where david did the idea for this book come from and weather service's fire houses a book about the south where we live in manhattan on the west side and on we live and sixty seventh about three on the west side and three blocks where there is a fire house and on that day in september september eleventh they set out to reduce an engine what they call a trucker a letter thirteen men and all twelve were killed on the day they call an engine for a lot of pretty flat thirty five thirty five track with where they would write about it ladders thirty five that they say virtually thirty five drop by they have been accurate they'll send out thirty men and twelve were killed in that apocalyptic day and

owens i was on the citizen of new york is was not far out so and they need are never been that sort of everybody who lives in york and miners pharmacy speak for getting permission i write it but vanity fair asked me to go the editors there asked me to grow grain carter and other staff asked me to go and do a piece on this farm house and i think the fire out warnick set throughout a couple names in them and that they seem very positive about mine and my wife was a very good arbiter of what i should mention too and i don't think she said if you don't do this health if you give a very clear she felt it was the right thing and i when over there and was just stunned by the degree of acceptance by how much i liked all the people and within two weeks of dueling and i knew that it was not just a magazine piece probably amazing piece and i've gotten the best response for in say thirty three years of but it would also be a

small book what is a small boat just over two hundred pages but within those two hundred pages and follows a human drama that us as i said is very moving to the readers there are thousands of family of our houses diaz of feminine in there probably given all the difference you know to work in schedules they're probably fifty men are so assad commonly used to live together and eat together and i mean that day as you point out they know each other's families so they had a family but there is an extended so if you can imagine some more innovation which you're just tightly woven fabric of your life and your family's life and then suddenly twelve men in one shocking day i did you can imagine the catastrophic feeling the

emotion hardship that has run through a minute here here is a day to maybe the worst day in new york history and the twin towers are are on the destroyed and all this tragedy hits the couple institutions unusually hard in one of those little far as little institution isn't as a very intensely human institution had an awesome place where people worked out of abstract relationships with each other and they're legally give them into their lives around we're literally soul is like the amish i mean somebody needs to do a repair on his house reporter a roof on the next day twelve guys show up and they all work together they pay raise money for each other if someone's wife has to go into hospital for cancer that help fund raiser mean that they are each family has very powerful emotions to the reader this book there is a distant glimpse of new york that is unique in the context of what they do and you talk

about why it is so dangerous and it has to do with what you call those fingers of steel and glass that are the skyscrapers ridge when there's a fire they are the dynamic changes it's not like a fire it works is it sees these attacks kevin gormley is the surviving captain language is exceptional as many lovely shirt in mid manhattan issued mid manhattan is a carnivore it doesn't eat off the carnival only does he told of fires about three blocks from where we live it was called the lionel hampton five of the top twenty third floor of a high rise at one of afterlife hokum a great vibe or phone it was a very windy day thirty degrees at thirty one miles an hour wind and they did everything wrong and the window was open the door was open and they ran they had oh i don't know hundreds and hundreds of men from different

companies running in you do you tour you go through your oxygen you couldn't get another oxygen tank and god would replace the audi it was like the captain gormley said a giant giant flew to hear that you didn't hear it even just a couple floors we feel the heat here the noise she said it was the first time you thought this is the fire that i'm not coming so there's a constant threat in the world of high rises are going up into this incredibly dangerous and others there is a not surprisingly from new unique little history the house and so on and the story about the oil the following while leaders have been around a while they lost their farmhouse they lost their backyards overrun lincoln center you know people who'd been in new york and knowing consent you're here you're saying there's faith and they tore down the first was to build lincoln center

about nineteen fifty nine and then they've got this little place in the back are in is nothing fancy i mean it's funny utilitarian way but also closed a very very rich very rich very powerful figure of income or powerful figure in a firehouse he was cited a chauffeur which means which is very important on an island on the drive through manhattan a plea for a particular reason a brute dominated by force of personality and by sheer bridge during that fire it came in one day and they don't like they don't the firehouse for women looking to ugly as someone who knows the communal place which is the kitchen i'm really eating in this gathering to talk endings much too small and these little rooms and they talked about expanding and nobody was doing it in one day mr doble walt about the futures of you get to that you know when i get there i just didn't do that

exactly right luke saving you that it that he died in the east from him with his medical kit enabled really a story that he was giving medical aid to elbow a man named freddie on this is the kind of men the firemen i mean i really believe in what is at the core of it both huge is a kind of religiosity of these men i think people get formal mommy don't understand the complete dna is very different dna between firemen and costly get linked together a lot cops do what they do for certain reagan thought i'm going to save lives and integrate i think under stated religiosity to risk your life to save lives a complete stranger and freddie ill was that god was known in india and the average new york written about freddie would've the firemen did because someone in one day the subway stations some

wacko porsche an ordinary citizen from over a subway car that he'd been has legs amputated freddie deal with the butt cracks of law and crawled under the collar to shave and i mean it was about that much clearance on each side we get electrocuted and save them and not only save their home go make sure he got the right kind of wheelchair make sure his apartment into an apartment that was a wheelchair suitable and set up a scholarship so that he is some could go to colleges is a man now on the rescue as done all these things for the man and then he is threatening this is just kind of extraordinary humanity they sound very with the body of freddy you know and they believed that he was trying to help and safe revealed that he had a medical kit and authentic ten oh i think you know you you and you hear the

reason i teach them gathered there to pay for each one of the thirteen including the other survivor says many suffered you know growing and then a concussion notion london on all over ninety percent is huge test well if they vote on were there before the fifty yard there's a story with everyone a woman and you give us in those two hundred pages a gripping story with each one but but what i wanted to put faces on i'm on the tragedy and went over there and i sort of loved what i was doing on the new orleans you know you certainly do what i've been doing and i've had friends forty six years been doing one hundred and forty seven forty eight years and there are certain skills and i understood immediately that these people richard downie and that they wanted to talk to my job was really just listening to get the distinguishing

humanity of each person just shut up and listen to a minute you know it there are two we're going to first for our crops is very real it is out of their values easy five minutes in the hall in his own way have been marshaled he was from another huge really appropriate he was at another house but you know they if they do this and firehouses if you're a man shortly transportation you over and he was he was a few minutes late from another out and he got there unknown you already know him he dropped his kit and gear and one or in one of his friends don't really do that the awful thing he felt about them marshall that they were when they used to you know you go down a leash usually on a great year with your house you've done it before you bolstered by your sense of community and teamwork that terrible thing for dan marshall oh we're going to have a medieval believe that frank didn't

know anybody did they even know his first name one this terrible moment on the set you know like a tube we talked to david halberstam about his new book for hours no one you know if you read it there a dozen times a week they're a dozen times you weeded the store and here's another story of young men who gets bumped captain callahan one thing because i guess because the video that's kevin shea i think yeah it was i guess he'd eaten callahan bulbs and when he goes to delay dr always knowing that we're going after many a cartel land is it's about to go out and you know you know ladies guys knew what they were getting into that as angie callahan the casting captain frank candidacy is head of the group and he's the senior guy going out he

knows what they're getting into and morello what i've been on duty and wanted to go on as an extra portion and callahan wouldn't let him do it because i think he knew that maybe the chance of where you were coming back so morello god himself on the other it which was always because of labor disputes a man sure i mean so every day there is is also loyalty animals as i'm going to go i'm going to go and i'm going to do and he said you know it then clearly other story of the security color finally after it happened today that the average kyler i recorded the song and today was puerto rican half puerto rican half of the irish internet everybody's a male on today's neil it

was almost july recess begins to be irish italian and then but i'm in predominantly i do believe in the catholic community is really comes right out of a parochial schools i think these guys have been set up for a life of trying to save lives not just in their own families buy that many of the sons and grandsons of firemen but by it by the teacher lives life of crime that's what it's telling that is very thin line which worked on and steve mercado very popular great care of me and they can put on a guy and you know they bring in their kids and the kids love it because they get all the great uncles and skyler mercado comes in about two or three days after september eleventh and is beginning to understand his father's and coming back and he changed to his mother and giuliani's of will i still be well

and initially very very welcome energy they go down there and it's heartbreaking to think of these guys are coming in they've been down there scratching away at ground zero all day looking for in on the country for them and everybody knows it's bad i'm gonna get we're from sky and their faces are gray with disappointment and grief and skyler start off we think of that you know you've got a lot of got a fine line that you gotta keep we're going to take a brief break terribly terribly touching david to write this story out to audiences before when even here the uk and so you work of premier journal with a voter list of a special sort of what i think i mean as you know when i was young marriage on her shoes this great account of her

achievements and when i went over there to his house i thought well in ottawa citizen i'm john hersey was a great hero of mine and a great reporting was a very elegant manner but this is one of those days in march history this is one little place we're always doing what happened in awe eighth it became clear to me that could be a book should be a book that i was dealing with an uncommon people and people were very ready to talk only in for a variety of reasons they were extremely open to me the men who survived the widows the families of fathers they just accepted me on faith and so i had felt that i had this rare chance to catch the moon of history to deal with the complexity of grief to show who didn't work and that they were different i mean you know you look at the dna i mean who they are really all seem to be pretty similarly there or firemen or mostly irish many of them and fathers

grandfathers were tempted they were all very different and trying to get us feel for who they were why they did it and the gap they leave in the lives of those around you know i was like a sacred trust to be asked if you're doing that you've gotta get this right you read a dude well you better treat everybody that you deal with words great respect i mean i you know are those people work so attended with me that i would a couple times a gazillion normally don't use a driver's eye view when i write this i'm gonna call you and read some ways back to the windows because they had been secured and they're not used to dealing with journalism does not like talking to an assistant secretary of state deals with drones cannot calibrate words to use a sunny also understand the impact so i called them when i wrote it and say you know are you sure you know on sunday singer

oh yeah fine that's accurate going to the audience and the other problem it seems to me you would have to confront is that your blog and all sorts of human emotions not just because of the grief but because in some cases we're talking about greece that is complicated by the voice of the father and whether or not only when but also as girlfriends who are not married one of whom are expected to be married today and it's in a few weeks they were living together and she lost she lost a husband she never had i think everybody what what worked for me in the book and why i think the book is work that i think is maybe the best thing i've ever done i think my wife thinks i'm a gene optimism and ranchers board of the north dakota indian cinema sometimes a very tough grader and she i

think thinks it's the best thing i've done that i think it's morning edition i understood i was old enough to understand historically what happened and therefore what my row was which was not the porch or ratcheted up but to listen and to catch the humanity i came to it at the right time in my career and it was true listen to people to understand their pain and i think they were just so oh really i think that they the varying families who understood at a certain point that this was a moment where they could memorialized billy bob thornton here with a serious reporter who i thought would get it right wood was careful would get toneless feeling right and therefore destroyed in a way at a literary monument i mean it wasn't a stone it isn't the vietnam memorial but

then the phone calls were you know the piece came out in vanity fair over thirteen thousand were just very long the average ninety three and the the phone calls from the family and from the other members of the house the appreciation the sense yes you got them and they lived the color of the vinyl live a little bit more the cause you put it inwards as a great line in the musical carousel three dark musical and in it some won't for sure wants to regard still lives of warren and someone thinks of him and i think that's true i mean i think my father lives and more than fifty two years and he died i think in every day so he says or so he and i think that when you do a book which tries to catch who these men are and why they did what they get him in that this was in these wars and there was an old bill adee to what they did was done one of the things that has always

fascinated me as a journalist i think it's one of the reasons i keep doing it is is the nobility of ordinary people in those people who are mostly very ordinary mean i'm not they're not famous they're not privileges they haven't been to great universities rating on that end yet on a moment when accounts they'd do something that has great humanity and courage to tell me that there has always been extraordinarily the coming to me and i think this book was filled with the nobility or twinkle little world a dozen stories but they're two fathers who will from jack and jack lynch's degree weather to kenya and they say you know i really wanted something better for my son's informative our captain stout an end and then they try to make it better for them in one case no one be a

sociologist in golf to get a college education i don't want to be a farmer or maybe better than i was and the song's drizzly go to college his license because you came home happy every day you doing that it every day in a low and i think that that's very odd and powerful and ended an john morello who was the secretary of a captain is sundance and roll really deadlocked on the rig that's not even half true when he when vincent was young he said do you know if you think about being a fireman this is a dead lives of farmers market people don't want to get out of a john rowe floor well that's probably right and maybe that's a good thing and then them and he remembered that when vincent was thirteen he was fire captain it was january fifteen he

wins at a fire in coney island restaurant and he went upstairs with two other guys and they sent it to a guy's out and then there was a terrible collapse and he thought it was good and i could be was disoriented he couldn't find his way out there's no no and he thought oh my goodness humans on here it's become january seventh that's prince's birthday all the rest of his life as an earth is gonna be the day his father died and just then one of the guys came back up and shouted and figured out where the actors are always a good challenge on job growth really initially generally father sutch corner in the alley and i knew when john roll spoken and finance and service the chameleon say it's a funeral because they denied reprieve body about the memorial service for a he said you'll have to excuse me jon jon speaks beautifully not excuse me because i'm already accustomed to these usually it's the song to memorialize is the farmers are really not anderson and he talked about you know and this was a great white miniskirt a

brilliant home repair and and fixing things up and you have been in the shower and the toils and vincent forde and then he stored of this sort of instant and he reached out and touched the tiles as you said was like touching vincent and then he began to weep and jack lynch jay jack lynch's i mean it you don't have favorites because you move the bow does compete as did his wife when he was twenty one he mentors here at ten children of whom went to college even though his job was really after working in the department of transportation you know your parking yard and only mr lynch is just the emotional and then he goes after ms shapiro of the world almost every day down to ground zero and he says it was unusual but the paris which will

go for a child and this is the last thing i can do for carmichael show and want to keep on doing it and oates and he kept going every day he began to bond with about an hour later nine of the fallen to doing the same thing and then about six weeks ago they found some of michael of the body and so they the search was over but yeah quinn just kept on going because he feels the obligation to these other parents who have become his friends when i talked to him a token couple weeks ago and even say singling very nice i came back and i was going and jim said what is the matter is is something really isn't was just talking to mr lynch i mean i'm so moved by that i'm not surprised or about him or about to leave our audience and there was one moment in the book

was just about love so when you just touch on it they found two tapes and the minute the fire hall who are the fifty all the solos don't look at those tapes and identified stage version i have also always going they're going in and they know it was and by then an abc imitate the damage that stuff swirling around i think one of the collapse is it probably already taken place and there are these guys carrying and i had this great super superstructure in accounting one hundred pounds each they are ready to go with that crowding economy it's a blinking meaning you know you don't you know they don't have very long to live as its haunting and yet their sense of duty is pervasive if you look at the faces of women talk to david halberstam about his moving book for our hearts but didn't they call it

and john singing go forward on words keep reading so at the pleasure of being on a war were award several times that the first time was on the show i was in makeup with jon and he asked me to sign a copy of my novel mister and i want to sign the book and he had notes extensive notes all through the book on this was incredible to me because i asked him what he'd been doing that day and he said he'd already shot five different

episodes of the word on words so i asked him how he'd spoken to that today mention the authors and i looked at the other products and they had the same level of exhausted know taking and care and higher just intense close reading and when i think of john that's what i think of sheep brought so much passion so much attention to this job to these conversations and that came through when you talk to him as an offer he made you feel as if you've written the most important book in america and it came through and everything else he did as a person and i'll never forget that about him and i think that

i come away from my time with him just hoping that i would bring that same level of solicitude and passion and energy to wherever i end up doing in the future i live just a new floor and we're going to work on we're aboard one to say the chance to and not the horses program the regular hosts this program my father usually is he's the one that welcomes you here but on this program i get the chance to add to turn the tables on him for once he's gonna be the guess i'm going to be asking him questions he's written a book it's a it's a book called james k polk about the eleventh

president of the united states and i'm proud that he asked me to come here today to ask him questions about this book i guess it's not proper for me welcome you you're welcome no allen welcome to worry it's going to be hear it and this was really a labor of love for you tell to tell everyone how was you came to write a book about his tennessee president jens well i knew very little about him like most of the scenes like most american the new very little about it and one day i had a call from arthur schlesinger said and these over twenty four vocal preston's going on a book on james capel and new solo about a mother won't do it but arthur said the voice i know there's a little paperback and has an excerpt from his diary but veterinarian verne written during three years and what happened reid then and tell me no i read that it was the right bait us against what was a bride that you're the right bait because the diary gives you an opportunity to look inside the mine oh i'm very

active controversy over for his time present the youngest president on stage at eric at the time and he'd forty nine years old for nine years old when he was when his nominee he and he was strange man proper sober didn't have many social graces deny many friends as a matter fact but he also won a record of how his presidency was conducted he worried about how history would look at him and that's why gifted aren't a look inside his mind services to a magnet for me it really was a problem for him because you say in many ways he's the least recognized president of the united states who had some very solid accomplish exactly right that's exactly what i said he in large land masses country five four one thirty took us

just west of the mississippi always the pacific ocean in four short years he bluffed the british out of art of that vast territory to the north with the four to take mexico next go away from mexico he annexed texas and his administration and we brought taxes the republic of texas into the union weren't were blown and he did it all in four years and he also reform the treasure him in them bank or had waged in ways by an object a corrupt bank or seven ninety nine states was not paying any interest on our money jackson took it all away from bank united states and put it and that banks that banks were as corrupt as the united states pope ended that he created a federal treasury and it was a viable honest system from eighteen forty six until nineteen thirty when we got the present federal reserve system so he really had major achievements are easier expanded the borders of the eid states he was a wartime present so why

did he get the recognition that you say there's a you know it's interesting he was sandwiched between his four years was sandwiched between the only two when president says in his true aaron nola the whig party is today it with a powerful party founded by henry clay but it wasn't affected both his predecessor of william henry harrison and his success is accurate and died in office soloist illustration for pretty much do nothing we did ministrations and he was caught between those two administrations and i'm and because it was only a four year term and because the war became much more became very controversial and because he died so soon after he left the presidency he was almost forgot the most obscure industry we run back to life right let's talk about his his young life how was it that his family came from north carolina

tennessee well his grandfather's the killer had come over first ezekiel was a surveyor and he was a man of names and he took a big chunk of every piece of property surveyed for somebody else and some of that the surveying took up thousands of acres so is the uk will the mountain so he was leading the way he was john the baptist leading hour we'll listen to into the wilderness and actor bobby a sample and nj knoxville john james knox polk parent follow in the heels only mountains and they've seven kilometers a tough tough travel in those days and didn't have them as beautiful spot on bitters in there were happy whether they're right there on the river and on the darker really loved and done and i made a home there and siam made a small fortune and before with

roots quite wealthy and james k polk was a sickly land raised he was so sick they couldn't do you share the chores he was the oldest child his father than one point stuck in the mud country store hoping to be a merchant what he really wanted to those who he knew he was bright but he was so sick that he only was able to go to those seasonal scrooge between harvests and so it virtually no education because of his illness he was that second it's really that today that would change his life in many ways for ever it was a gallstone operation he added a very young age right that's what a remarkable forcing the law said it was a ghost along until now and i said it's a year there's still operational i got a i got a panel of medical doctors what happened was the it was always a stomach pains and finally came a moment when you

simply couldn't bear it anymore he wasn't constantly slam look for them best physician in america and found phillips' saying physics in philadelphia put in the covered wagon in a bed and here all away from tennessee a photo and yet he gets up to the green river and the pain become so intense every phone that they rush in to danville with autonomy from window and the from and out forms without without they think have been the plaintiffs' and brandy the film opened brandi had no interceptions to prevent and prevent infection and they'd crown him and in ways have described in detail in the book but in case somebody is out there and breakfast arm an early lunch i wrote a double wanna go into the detail the incision was made with a gorgeous the issue was about like that it went between the anus and scroll right through the

prostate it changes live in measurably because of the rules of operation in jane never had children but from now on he did get the chance that he was waiting for was which was to go screw your job to write down they first put him into a nervous four and then moved in in colombia the number of whisper away with an academy did so well the same was humorous in north carolina he finished first in his class graduated first in a square one great gift it he could write of simple declarative sentence and that barry is filled with cogent candid commentary by a man who knew how to write in ways that people could understand it and a great journalist really live the early in this book you talk about james k polk and religion and their religious played such a powerful part in politics today and throughout this country's history how religious richard k polk and and did it affect his politics would and you know i come down a little bit differently from previous biographers but it

did go to prevent church powwows relative frequency he favored going the methodist church but when you read his accounts in the diary about his troops to church it's as if you were reading the theater critics commentary on the play i mean what he says is the sermon was was meaningful this was not so meaningful he also says europe are free from us citizens as charlie minimum that does finally took him to church and be baptized but when the preacher as to his father to affirm his belief in jesus sam refused to do it he was based on his mother was terribly hurt by them but james k polk win all to live and baptize you in on that day the baby is brown dry he would not he was not when the world war ii would not of mercy would not doubt that

it was only on his deathbed that finally he was baptized by a methodist minister was this a deathbed conversion there was no deathbed conversion i play is do you read that diary by he never referred to praying in his diary only refers to going to church will serve toward the end maybe the last thirty year of his presidency there are a couple moments when he says as if he envisions an early death you know tsunami was the ages and soon i must think about getting my house in order a sign from that there is virtually no mention in the diary of god at one point he's the site thank god for separation of church and juliet you say after he had a big fight with a preacher is quoted saying thank god for the constitution a war between religion and politics that's exactly what he said and then he and then in that diary he just took that preacher part said he had absolutely no sense

of a front he was amazing politician of his years in the state legislature he was in the united states congress he was the governor of tennessee and you say his political career seemed to be over and then he was eventually elected president i'd stayed at probably the politician had the biggest impact on his life was andrew jackson about that they were aware that they have in mind and our view of jackson's protege and jackson made him speaker first time he ran for congress and rejection in boston great hero when he was in congress he was jackson's voice he is the congressman who expose much of the corruption and by the united states jackson leaves frugally after of them really only speak for the house ever to make it to the presidency when he was speaker of the house and the new wage were after him and i will tell you it was tough sledding really toughening i'm in vegas

dr debate him into a dual they would challenge him as you come down off the podium that he wouldn't be dual wouldn't fight the companies and then he lived a relatively long lines to lead that much too young for those of you are tuning in and are surprised to have to see the giant single reason asking the questions i'm john cigar interviewing the giant cigar about his book james k polk eleventh president united states from tennessee and we're glad that you watch and today and i'm glad to be back home in nashville to have to get to do this with my father but i know i know i cannot imagine your mother now i know what to talk about polk's politics as political ideology and why why jackson really appealed to him in so many ways will like jackson he was very partisan and in the end of the day politics of that day was a cynic you think the country divided today listen in that day they despised each other jackson made enemies throughout his life

poker sudanese a body with a wee was the flow and a democrat who ever voted with away was the fall and and he would welcome his worst enemies to the white house a couple times a week he and so open up the door and will compete with them and asked them to come in in a very proper man united's your idea known pheromone a soul a real charmer that night of says in the diary of good manners when other one and he would write these skating indictments love wigs on one hand and on the other hand democrats who occasionally will preview what anything anything to do with the waves aside from making sure that he was courteous to them as a president he thought should be any guests in a way sarah childress it needs their children's well you know it's it's it's it's a little obscure because they were very young because the owners he was the owners' land in his plants by about six years he was about ten years

older than she was and so when when he was in that academy a nervous or that she was a hooker brother brother was his classmate and they obviously met during that time he was in the children's home but it's not until he's in little legislature then he finally rediscovered seller and fellow whether fell head over heels along with another one of romance very short man really attractive young man so we're beyond belief that you are less and he had no idea of cracking jokes his idea of crimea job was to say this you know i had around congress closer and that would never marry me if our cartilage like i mean now he can unite in trouble only because his not very funny with her regular job sarasota so he had as i say he had quite an incredible political career but

then it appeared that it was the the heat he was did you ever expect rowing event to be the president united states you know he wanted to be the person he ended there and about the only dreamed about him even after jackson was president he really wanted to be president he wanted to carry on with jackson called the democracy and so it was in his mind but he was not sure he could make it you know he was from saudi was not a war hero that jackson had been bummed he was so insane as jackson's stooge the end and then why jackson like him so much or clearly jackson was a guy that sort of said i think you can be president i'm going to try to help you be the position as eddie tolan that a german pope was wiped out and washed up in politics jackson began to lose traction in tennessee during his second term he supported martin van buren to succeed him and

nobody in tennessee like that and jackson's ended when one of his old friends your snow white for president that year and tennessee one for you often white and jackson had with losing traction and so he's and vocal and dusty says leave the speech ago helped me regain a falling into the sea we need you as cover tonto month for donors a lectern very close then he loses twice loses for re election and has begun again by a really fun clown ish politician named wayne jamie jones and judy jones beats him twice ids washed up he's through an jackson says no no stay in their first they might make you that vice president would then there's accidental meeting right and then jackson after after at the van buren comes out against the annexation of texas jackson wrote vendor lot and said he didn't know will be elected then you could turn the tide of the mississippi and

and he goes to work to strategize for the election for nomination in the action james capel way to running in the clay that year and jackson as much as he loved folk he hated in italy despite cynically they won better and lift it up by these diaries that they are the diary entries that he wrote and did you do you get the sense that this was really control rake and blow the us attorney james k polk was a control freak he he said in the diary all occasions i have not met with my cabinet sometimes injured i have many's the government not only generally but in money beaten and i find i can run the government without the sunnis micromanaging every part i am grown managing everything and they say is another occasion and the hardest working man in america the problem was he

was a workaholic you probably won't these are some of his ego right there to observe about himself well what sort of speaker was very good those figures a lawyer by not eloquent but he was a good lawyer he was trained for the law in those days in the last truly trained in the office of the novel with his his mentor along with phoenix monday formal supreme court justice chief justice a kentucky the future united states senate and awful and hence one day became attorney joe united states and romney took him under his wing like been brought him along gotten that first job in politics as a clerk in the state senate run in court one day said to the judge if the police turn up i think my head is about to be broken by a club of my own making in other words i made this man this memorial and now he beat me at my own game and i want to get into the

campaign of eighteen forty four we just come through a campaign and some other political observers of callers while the nastiest political campaigns in our history for you but did you write very helpful in this book about about a real nasty campaign an eighteen forty four at volatile was a very nasty campaign it will lay off those and there was a forged documents that when we think that cbs and then rather than forge talking about death of president bush there was a forged document in this campaign that was written by anonymously an independent survey the pooh head branding his slaves farms with his initiatives total i told fall through it he was a slave owner a slave trader and not a very sensitive person on slavery very insensitive or slavery but he was certainly not guilty of that charge and for the truth

is when it was published in the papers here the nile was so strong bummed that the babe ruth actually retracted some of them were attracted communication was so disjointed those days our papers weren't able to reflect before it for them before the election but it was a beer and brutal campaign and henry clay was on the spirited fellow i mean they were both there were both tough minded and anne and clay in an effort to remain in knowing that he'd been beaten twice created the slow who is james k polk and you don't see him actually looking down assad in what was that at the james k polk and demeaning you leave the last wise really gently by acting like nobody knew he was when it when the truth was that the country was familiar with the video then a popular in our series between the house

and jackson's broader hit and the democrats responding to that but tellingly well you know i was surprised to find that eighteen forty four that the candidates and spend that much time out on the campaign trail you would i guess i thought and i know the trial was difficult during that time but i am you would have thought that they would travel far and why did you say it was really unseemly for president of tennessee out their travel that's why it was it was thought to be the thing to do that and make a lot of stump speeches during the campaign and then beyond that it was important for me to be where they could be contacted in case some issue came up such as the one which he was accused of branding slave oh so you'd have a response to that so though it was not the sole the campaign was that i only was it and vote by secret ballot and then you went into the polling place and you could stand on this other one that's out and when you may just end used in uganda got a cup of this whiskey and then went home and then alter set and they both

died that's right that's exactly right but that's a different sort of politics and we have today the other the other difference is it wasn't just one election because we have early voting in some states now this is alexei the last word over four days and it was a week before we knew of course that he was elected and it was a very close election it was a fire not as close to bush and warm body with a very close election he lost felicity as al gore did but he won the president's in a good meal anthems and i knew before the disappointment jackson i assume some that they lost tennessee that they couldn't win the state of tennessee into disappointment again makes appointed jackson had lost that traction with van buren selection any harm and a hard time getting back he was still very popular in the state as an individual years old and aging in an eel jackson was there and the n and the truth was when pope of the levee he was near dejection was already beginning to fail

was he responsible i mean other than helping to cement help guide him through the political process was his popularity a big force in getting elected as well so absolutely i mean the engineering james k polk young hickory that was the democratic so young agree and that called all across the country and help in emotion so so part of the process here was that his protege could become president as well that was the that was the feeling with jackson he was so he was so pleased that he can help elect a president states who was his protege exactly and then when the pope says i intend myself to be president and he was himself president and when jackson rodin couple letters asking him to keep friend zone you france's blair on his editor of the globe the voice of jackson's first as asked him to keep i'm asked him to keep on libby lewis on in the treasury department projects and that live in

the white house projects and that lesson once and favors wasn't i've broken him off wouldn't he would not he said i am not to let my mistress and the crowd control by newspaper and so he brought his own identity and to replace of the globe and enforces where global fights he started a paper with the union with richie with don ritchie and so he was he was alone when i know myself and the president we have we really hear taken people right up to his presidency so that they were going to do is we're going to contain this conversation next program rest are now rapid up for this half hour by continuing conversation about about james k polk an x and then the next time i also ask you about a word on words which is bent on as public television station for thirty three year thirty three years and still counting this is fun great is you're right i were to do it again the next

program thanks for inviting me and we'll be back to talk with the giant sea floor about james k polk on the next edition a word on words nice to watch it it was may nineteen sixty one well over half a century ago now when the decision was made john sigg in voller was the administrative assistant to the attorney general of the united states robert kennedy and there was trouble significant role in seeking dollars native south the freedom riders civil rights activists protesting segregated

interstate travel had been stopped and beaten in anniston alabama now the action was moving to birmingham and to montgomery kennedy and his brother the president of the united states needed to send someone to help well hope we got john kennedy ask bobby kennedy's reply was a saint and momentous john's here he can go and so sickened dollar went his credentials as david national scene in color was garrulous engaging and indisputably a son of the south he recalled that i go and my southern accent dripping sorghum and molasses and warm them up in theory his task was to work with the alabama authorities to get the freedom riders to safety in reality once there he saw a woman being attacked outside the montgomery bus station and tried to intervene the next thing he knew he had been beaten by white demonstrator brandishing a piece of pipe his

skull fracture the personal representative of the president of the united states and the attorney general lay on the pavement for half an hour he may be on the ground but in a larger sense john c compiler had stood up stood up for the right over the wrong for justice over injustice as a reporter as a native advisor to robert kennedy as editor and publisher of the tennessean newspaper and is an advocate for literature and for culture singing color was courageous uncanny fearless entire was he embodied the best journalism could be calling them as he saw them but he also understood that much of life unfolds in the twilight it was an insight that led him to be at once tough and generous raised roman catholic john approach the world with a catholic sense of tragedy and of possibility he knew the world was fallen but believe deeply in redemption in progress and in the beauty of every soul to try to make the world at least a little better

he understood the injunction that too much is given much is expected and grateful for his own life he held himself to account john adored to reno public life he helped carry robert kennedy to his grave was the first to suggest beyond albert gore jr run for a house seat and he remained a thoughtful unapologetic voice for liberal causes in a regions politics ran ever redder in the twenty first century he never slowed down to affordable speaking in shared will schedule until the end and john loved it all building many moments in the coming years when those of us in nashville and beyond all wish that we like the kennedys an hour of crisis that once more sen jon seaton dollar into the fray to seek the truth and protect the powerless all without melodious accent and an inescapable sense of the joy of the fight thank you for joining us for these special classic broadcast of a

word on words and to salute are a host of forty two years the wonderful john sit in power he was a dear dear friend and a part of our and petey family we will miss him deeply and as john would always say at the end of every program keep reading whoa there are rural areas on this edition for sunday july twenty seven israel resumes attacks in gaza after hamas rejects a cease fire hamas leader offers its own temporary troops fighting intensifies in eastern ukraine as thousands of russian troops amass along the border and in our signature segments a tiny pacific island takes on the world closing off with huge area of the ocean to try to prevent overfishing yes i think the decision pretty girl or commercial fishing activities for the first generally twenty

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israel and hamas appear to have at least temporarily broken down there was more israeli shelling of gaza and new hamas rocket fire into israel today yesterday hamas rejected an israeli offer to extend a twelve hour cease fire and almost immediately hamas fired more rockets into israel today on the eve of the eve of the muslim feast marking the end of fasting during ramadan hamas reversed course and offered a cease fire in response to the assessment of the united nations and taking into consideration the condition of our people in gaza especially in light of the coming of the holiday there were discussions between the factions and they've reached an agreement to accept the offer of a twenty four hour humanitarian call but israel today renewed its attacks on hamas targets in gaza prime minister benjamin netanyahu appeared on cnn state of the union with candy crowley they say israel resumed its offensive know it won't resume our offense and we have to see is for the violin another violin in the roses four obviously will take whatever

next actions necessary to protect our people including as the turtles out there trying to get answers hamas is simply continuing all its operations it is or will not let this terror operation decide when it's convenient for them and not convenient for them to decca people when it's convenient for them to stop unload unwanted stock in the nation for the latest from israel where joined tonight from to resume wiseguy by ruth advice of the washington post so what's the latest yeah they there was a cease fire even though there were still rocket fire coming from god say israel israeli government had ordered the minute she nazi response up until mid morning and that points out the rockets just kept on coming and vietnam and set aside it's due out in and strong imagery to continue on counting gaza with its airstrikes in seattle set to continue on search and destroy

tunnels that the men discovered under the ground between israel and gaza and around too well today that was there some word that hamas was seeking out a cease fire and data that's out of gaza by hamas has rejected by its rounds and then overruled a ceasefire extends by the us and us secretary state john kerry has been entirely know injecting fat it and the israeli government and we've also heard that there have been attempts to infiltration along the border with gaza that's been ongoing for the last hour three weeks there has been a pretty much every few days that infiltration attempts so does discovering tunnels inside the gaza strip and managing to go through to come out and israel bans been pretty much constant for the last three weeks we've also heard that there was an attempted infiltration into israel from the west bank today yes that i receive data around midday an update from the

army instead of caught carrying explosives have been stopped at a checkpoint and a jerusalem the suspect was apprehended and the call was taken in we're an investigation over the last few days nine palestinians that killed during clashes with that israeli security forces in the west bank you know we've seen a couple of new clips and images and videos of peace rallies in cities like tell me is gaining any traction wheels are see social media campaigns as well yeah i mean you know at the beginning he was the big east

and that it was a crash or when they're hamas quiet and rockets that's one side of that and the sirens that when of jonathan wilson people to go into bomb shelters insistence that voice here and but it's very very small resemblance of the washington post joining us via skype from jerusalem this event i saw what you are one of the situation on the ground in gaza we're joined once again tonight via skype by nicholas casey of the wall street journal so we've heard basically that all signs of the truce are off that there is continued our rockets being world at israel from hamas and that the shelling continues from israel on gaza basically this was happening unfortunately i saw is right outside my hotel window three rockets are from hamas or one usually in groups roy edwards's real and most the morning we were getting bombarded really heavily right now we have no idea what the israelis were trying to get by side they were trying to get multiple times so and so the

blues were so violently shaking windows theory one theory out of the er rooms and i had no idea the situation was like just a couple blocks away where where we're where these are targets were visibly different motivations for both sides on whether to agree to a cease fire there are i think they bring to these temporary ceasefires is most within israel's interest because when the virus stops is real drilling continues to go after the hamas tunnels and halved its troops still stationed in the gaza strip with a promise from us that hamas won a tactic for hamas and its infrastructure its its weapons facilities and his travels continue to be destroyed by israel and the people of gaza get a small brief break you wonder where's the true treasure remain in in the gaza strip and he is unable to attract the votes of agreement will solicit information today about a red cross building there was damage what happened there there was a red cross building of the south vietnamese

torch it's not clear why people came after the red cross building but the fact is that was going on in gaza now is that there's a foreign army who's attacking it there are a lot of foreigners here were trying to photograph document and also help gazans and there is a tremendous feeling of frustration stand and an entrapment here at other thing that had gone on was that there was a bit of anger towards the red cross based on some rumors that it had gotten around before the evacuation with each and regulation about it a un shelter are in the north of here and they don't notice anything to do with it but what had happened was that there was a rumor going around that the red cross vehicles that were going to get people out to shelter been as people were gathering there was an attack on the shelter that killed sixteen people want the days that i was in the hospital where these people were being treated there are people yelling at the road crossing why did you come to rescue as an avid rider from the red cross is trying to explain to you so we

get your area because it was too dangerous that they ride because this is a wall says those on his wise guy from gaza thanks a lot and now to another major conflict zone ukraine today deputy national security adviser ben rhodes said the obama administration is exploring new ways to help the ukrainian government suppress pro russian separatists we weave initiate a discussion with them about what a long term training and equipping relationship with the with ukraine so that they had more modernized and professionalized security forces so that they can provide for security in the country and we're also very focused on what we can do to help them secure their border we have made the decision to ride certain types of weapons but intelligence we do provide intelligence we review that we still think the best thing that the united states can do is send a message to russia very strong sanctions courtenay with the europeans this as fighting between ukrainian government forces and pro russian separatists has intensified in recent days that's delayed international investigators trying to reach the site of the malaysian jetliner that went down in eastern ukraine with two hundred ninety eight people on board

a report from it and is narrated by jane dodge this grainy amateur footage was reportedly failed in the accounts region today convoys heading west woods lori lodes of troops believed to be pro russian rocket launchers and heavy artillery the victory hardware a possible response to the ukrainian government intensifying hostility is it's been trying to retain control of rebel held towns this weekend and secure the crash site of light em age seventeen and explains why a team of international police officers once again delayed visiting the wreckage of the bodies of eight passengers are still missing caller i'm on the city limits of a mission to reporters control of his flight an age seventeen crashed in rebel held tight tree near the town of grub over seventy eight kilometers from the regional capital of don yes their boats over to the northwest and hopefully cut of two towns the ukrainians are trying to retain control of the ukrainian president was

dressed for war yesterday as he visited his troops the price he's not keen to secure his rebel controlled bonnie ask home to more than a million people now almost completely surrounded by government troops louisville yet we saw a large convoy of military hardware it drew over ukrainian government into a lightning round for you the larger vehicle are very unique the malaysian airline vladimir putin was honoring russia's managing house today has repeatedly denied arming ukraine's rebels but the us state department has released satellite

images which they say show russian forces firing across the border of ukraine troops last week from afghanistan tonight war of column on games in what are described as several strategic areas near the capital city of kabul this from the new york times a newspaper says the taliban has moved beyond its traditional strong was in rural areas and now controls territory near crucial highways close to kabul and in other strategic provinces newspaper says the recent days cast doubt on the afghan army's ability to stave off the insurgents after nato forces leave more troubling news about the ebola outbreak in west africa has killed approximately six hundred seventy people one of liberia's top doctors who has been treating the disease has died of it and an american doctor there has also been infected and is receiving intensive