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and this is bibi it's been delayed university of texas has been transnationalism speak and write there are a great many people these days some a few of the old loyalties to something outside of anyone gold medal system at o mite from new york an uninterrupted hour of the insights of urban crisis of presidential politics if lyndon johnson's re elected i don't know what would happen to it i really think the country would be in a very dangerous conditions

jonathan is your meeting this week but a rendezvous with death at midnight in some claiming town when spring trips north again this year and i do my latest word of true i shall not fail a hat mike from washington the deal he goes on that would be more difficult and ppo will be two hours tonight is a magazine concentrating on thoughts and it came at him

hbo begins as patriotism in america changed in nineteen sixty seven to what are americans loyal and who is the hero who disappointed tonight an inquiry into what is patriotism it's been diverted these four american sailors shocked the nation this week by announcing in his film seen on television that they had deserted their share the united states' aircraft carrier intrepid rather than fight in the vietnam war there is some reason to believe

that they are seeking political asylum in cuba each of the sailors made it quite clear that he is refusing to fight for his country because he thinks his patriotic duty is not divided it has been my

family i was breaking military service between them for sailors from a ship that is tonight on yankee station all vietnam launching planes against the north than in the armed forces arguing that patriotism requires them not to fight for their country two americans brought up on america the beautiful the pilgrim's pride the idea that an american might refuse to fight for his country is shocking in

truth political position is not unique in our history but patriotic folklore like most americans to believe that it could never happen here that patriotic folklore is not entirely accurately the revolutionary war in the folklore a host of patriot springs up to nurture liberty paul revere rides at midnight to alert the minutemen that the redcoats are coming in one of those patriots is the virginian patrick henry author of that eloquent cry for liberty when will react even the boy

to decide it is too late to retire from the contest there is no retreat but in submission and save our chains of what their clanking may be heard on the fields and planes of post war isn't worded column i repeat as gentlemanly cry peace peace but there is no peace the war is actually begun the next day over this weekend the naacp will bring to our ears the question resounding arms are already enough realized that we're right what is it james oh my god i don't want what course others would take

orders for me give me liberty or during their barren in a red white and blue folklore george washington leaves the army of heroes toward nationhood nathan hale captured is the perfect american patriot regretting only that he has but one life and soul benedict arnold in the folklore seems to be the only american rejects the revolutionary consensus yet one third of the population did support britain philip nolan the man without a country is fictional but the story is part of a lesson in patriotism a lesson that rarely spends much time on the political visitors

in the war making twelve that time saved goes to stephen decatur who said my country right or wrong in the civil war confederate in yankee patriots deserted in droves many of the southerners opposed the session many northerners did not know why they had to fight yet despite the political desert years ignored in american folklore this famous symbol of unity and war is not deceiving patriotic folklore is self fulfilling and through nineteen forty five most americans did in fact support the nation in war it was widely held that patriotism is fighting for your country so americans continue to pledge allegiance is it truly historical nation or to the

folklore do we pledge absolute loyalty to an unblemished nation deserving of that absolute loyalty he's the answer is it seemed that way until korea when that hard war and twenty one american prisoners chose communism rather than repatriation americans at home or dismay what you know word brainwashing there was a consolation our boys had been coerced americans were still loyal to north korean nineteen fifty vietnam today and in europe hundreds of american soldiers have defected some for political and moral reasons at fort hood three drivers refused to go to vietnam they were court martialed and jailed dr howard levy an army captain refused to train green berets in medical skills he argued that special forces medics commit atrocities in vietnam he was found guilty handcuffed and sent to prison veteran chicago and applauded

army private ron unlocked when you announced he would not go to vietnam last week and walkman was convicted and imprisoned and this week though far from the intrepid joined the ranks of those who choose not to obey citing political objections and claiming to be patriots professor ernest younger dartmouth a former aide to ambassador edward reischauer was in tokyo when the sailors announced their desertion professor young talked about their idea of loyalty they were not too concerned with this concept of loyalty i think they would feel it were was important to be loyal to certain principles and ideals that these ideals with me then something about america as a kind of loyalty perhaps but not in the conventional sense the way the words often used to take these and military organization i think they are did you send it out to say

that the authority of the state represented in the military in particular i was something to which you know you think about the law and they have to take an act which they recognize as a violation of loyalty so it was really a city for more important things what is going on in america what happened to the ideals we used to believe in as the meaning of patriotism changed in nineteen sixty seven bpl what the professor john are sober chairman of the philosophy department at the university of texas austin and asked him to explore those questions with students there are gathered in the studios of jail are an on the campus i'd like to ask what has happened to lawyer okay now what does it mean to be a loyal citizen of the united states are loyal member of the armed forces and can we be loyal citizens and dessert are abandoned are about

labor laws of the land are going to be loyal citizens and deserve a military posts or refuse to accept our military obligations the issue then is what we mean by low they would have happened a lot of it doesn't make sense to say i'm a lawyer loser i am i want to make a plea against sort of rampant moral quakerism sings colonel citing i'm not going to condemn the quakers as a group and by this i mean a tendency which i think is one result of the last big strain movements of the protestant reformation by which objective i don't know whether it's that catches the backwash of popularized existentialism existentialism and i know that there's a sort of a categorical imperative to be sincere these days and by this especially young people seem to be susceptible to it we will accept any man's actions is now if he really believes and what he's doing you know if he

if he thinks that he's making the best effort he can as these three sailors are one of us might do them by george let him do it a sincere he's made the choice himself now by this we ever get the necessity of judging this actually i mean ok the sailors wanted to do this and they're sincere that doesn't validate the action it validates their sincerity enough scoundrels perfectly sincere and there the rest of the region a quick question the sincerity of adolf hitler i think that that there was uncertain and quickly but i would like to hear about a person who has actually serve in the military forces in vietnam and react to this question of loyalty is one of the this if i get scared when asked are scion the law personally like the more value more more striking may have been what the government

invited you when president johnson says his country out of a demand in vietnam or anywhere else and is not really as much my country right or wrong is just that i'm like okay for all corners of blank the sun one of the army of the tightest that i think in the overall winners live and at an informal social subject an unjust war ninety percent of all of those strollers say what their record really so is this is garbage and then states congress continually work for a lawyer for the congress an outsider in every person that demonstrates an inspiring recording is a quieter restored or show american society feels that way but i think there's always been a poor show americans a side that felt that certain war should be admissible either in their willingness to suffer the consequences of doing so here is a transnational is a great many people these days so matthew of the

old loyalties to something outside of anyone goldman insisted on the an atomic bomb was defended their ads on this basis before you know when they were right or wrong but they felt that they owed their loyalties to something that was not within the interest merely of our own government owns a side business or change that you describe care of moving beyond nationalism to some higher end a more international set of ideals a dominant for contemporary move among among at least among students among the people that they're you associate with most part you think that this overview of one's country right or wrong is still the dominant physicians practice before or especially religious or what the nature of his patriotism is now in comparison with the way it was thirty years ago or three years i love it

a university education is a factor and the change walk away from the coast of patriotism they are only majority of students surveyed changed their pledges on to move this interference into full extent and many many many go much focus and i get completely away from the hill audio of my country run along the flank images to agree that this country lies in this wasn't my country right or wrong has armed in the past this issue is pressed on them a very bad course for many in america i think is a cultural thing about that it had a significant natural challenge faith as a basic respect it and i think that one of the major causes that

nature patriotism is changing today is that we're getting to the limits the outer limits of material prosperity i mean there's only so much luxury that american import you know you just can eat so much you can drive so many cards and i think for a significant portion of our population that there's just not much more that they need to see and so we need a new challenge but have our leaders providing this week with something to galvanize is where the new direction we hear the new frontier year of the great society but i asked for a really substantial some sort of idea that a man can hang onto something that really motivated like like conquering the west like manifest destiny know where are they galvanizing the idea of their president or just as effective as in this very sincere fiction for our maintenance done before time most people most thinking no mention of any year in history would win

would disavow the state and my country right or wrong but the vast majority of men would agree with the statement my country evading when it's usually wrong because in the long run it represents right so the question for most people is how quentin state are how great a moral or must his nation commit before he irrevocably are before him irrevocably renounces his ties to know i don't believe something very much like the relation of the parents of the child which is the analogy that socrates proposed at what point does the current repudiate the job there's something about having been formed by the very thing you're rejecting that makes rejection an inappropriate response that's the point but i'm going to argue that i think that i think if you were to say i am profoundly guilty as an american because of the failures of american culture that that's one thing but to say after you're very

vocabulary metal out of the europe bureau whole notion of what it means to live in the human being has been structured by america to say then that you are not one is is a very difficult thing to do and going off our interview embarrassed to say the pledge allegiance to the flag where you find something you can do with some injuries having said that the wealthier ones where that question would be to the sicilian i doubt very seriously even though the impulse toward nationalistic patriotism has weakened i remember the students of oxford in the thirties voting rather overwhelmingly that they would not move them of the war it became a country in every generation suffers under the illusion that it is now different from the

past is basically spouses i've been out there one percent of the population to three percent if pressed it's a really felt the country were in danger would reject the concept of all this nationalistic patriotism i think the difficulty that we've had in and in deciding whether or not a person really can reject patriotism means we talked about patriotism itself rather than the really crucial matter which is the object of that i mean that the basic dull brutish instinctive well forest with a man that causes them to hurt themselves together around ideas are individual or standards and then to impose a discipline and loyalty on themselves it is really not very different weather that loyalty is given to the church and then god are given to the black power i would suppose stokely carmichael might consider black power and one way of patriotism of the

blood and suffering but this fundamental allegiance for certain parts or certain ideal represented by a certain group still exists now it's true that the objects of patriotism might be changing somehow people might be a losing their allegiance to the nation state and transferring that allegiance something else rather than rather than the patriotism of the young american legion we might get the working class solidarity of the communist party but both clarinet that this whole issue of patriotism but is an issue that involves the relation of the individual to the society which has developed that's the problem of the relation of the single solitary individual to a large group and this is an art expressed by the concern on the one hand to be faithful to one's own conscience among other hand have to obey the law of the land and somehow one has

to compromise are our mediate between the pressures of going for people on the one hand and the pressures of fidelity to his own conscience on the other to talk about loyalty to one's country is to talk about the way in which one can mediate his own private conscience and his own private intelligence into the er with the social group how he can not lose his identity through absorption in a social class but at the same time not lose all emotional meaning a bible in his own isolated idiosyncratic way i suppose that the problem of being loyal of the problem of being a member of a group will never be an easy one but it's one that must be more difficult for us today because we live in a world of far greater awareness and man ever lived in before saying all of these different points of view and hearing so many different arguments concerning what are point know what our position should be at the present time

we would have to be stupid not to recognize that good man i can take a variety of points of view on these issues and then we have to decide in our own country where we as goodman stan so the problem of how to be loyal of courses are what loyalty means is of course not a new question is the question that socrates had to do with the question of a roll had to do with it's a question that almost every generation of americans had to deal with it's a question that lincoln dealt with when he refused to support the mexican war it's the question that theodore roosevelt dealt with when he decided to support the spanish american war but i suppose as long as social groups are are made up of individuals and not really of insects this problem of mediating the individual to the group will always be with us and that will mean that this question of loyalty is a pressing issue for every generation

of bpl going since last sunday evening we reported twenty five percent of the meat sold in the united states comes from the state plans are not inspected by the federal government nine states require no inspection or the un where a consumer couldn't be buying inferior be processed in state plants operating well below federal standards and last sunday's report beebe a lot of that americans consume about thirty three billion pounds of meat a year most of it federally inspected even so the united states has the highest rate of chicken houses in the world federal inspection applies only to makeshift across state lines we reported that twenty five percent of the meat sold in the united states comes from state plans like these plants the processed meat for sale only within their own state borders plants not subject to federal inspection

democratic congressman thomas foley of washington said that his bill to extend federal meat inspection just a glance was defeated earlier this month by a combination of public ignorance and industry pressure the males report showed federal inspectors at work in a model plant inspectors paid by the federal government but the bill noted federal inspection does increase production costs packers must absorb the costs of modern design and good housekeeping even in the best plants ten percent of the meat inspected is rejected by england inquest lobbyist for the western states meatpackers association said the reports of tainted meat in the marketplace or exaggerated he warned against severing all authority for meat inspection at the federal level but leslie or arab united packing workers urged congress to give the americans a consumer more protection

all rare display of photographs of the chicago market area to illustrate sub standard conditions he said are prevalent in some states plants not inspected by the federal government the industry insists that conditions like these are marginal but all rare argued that the public will not be protected adequately until federal standards are applied to all states plants the bales report concluded with an interview with democratic senator walter mondale of minnesota is bill then in committee would extend federal inspection to all plants in the united states senator mondale told edward p morgan about some unscrupulous state labs that process crippled and diseased livestock he charged that swift the largest viking house firm in the world but its national brand label on me processed by its subsidiary companies in state plants plants not subject to federal inspection senator mondale said the economic factors will continue to tempt large packers to take

advantage of less costly in tri state situations unless congress passes on the bill with teeth following last sunday night's report pbr received this telegram from ap davies of the american meat institute in washington dc it read in part we protest strongly the one sided non objective program on pending meat inspection legislation produced by p b l this in no sense could be construed to be a fair report on this very important health protective measure now pending before the senate we deplore the fact that tax refunds are being used in these biased amateurish manner which is a disservice to the public signed ap davies vice president american meat institute now to washington and edward p morgan responding to that telegram i interviewed mr davies he

made three major points first but the preponderance of meat sold to american housewives is clean good and safe second he supported qualified extension of government control to meat inspection thus differing with a fellow lobbyist of the beet industry people oppose that but mr davies thought that we paid last week too little attention to what he called a voluntary state control bill sponsored by new mexico's senator montoya and too much attention to the bill sponsored by minnesota's senator mondale which would extend federal control now we plan to run that interview with mr davies on our broadcast tonight but events have outrun it all weekend interested parties including leicester davies representing the meat industry including representatives of the amalgamated meat cutters union and other unions and consumer

groups have been meeting behind the proverbial closed doors in trying to hammer out a compromise they did it the two leading spirits of this compromise are none other than senator is mondale and montoya themselves they have ruined their sunday evening at home schedules in order to come here to be vale studios at waga in washington for a live interview to explain what happened as i understand it the governors of states under this new legislation would be empowered if they so desired to call and federal inspectors in eight grace period if they felt that the arab states were not responding to the cleanup as they shere center mongolia a key question well the meat industry go

along with your compromise well first of all i had let me x plain what has happened the montoya bill was geared toward having inspection by the federal and the state government the federal government would step in at the end of a two year period faa air state government had failed to provide mandatory controls and proper enforcement the mentally a bail was their considered by the committee as was the mondale bill and since the end of the hearings senator mondale and i have been in constant conference trying to improve the concept of federal inspection for in prostate plants and we feel that we have arrived at a very suitable approach which will guarantee to the states a voice in the inspection but also assure the consumers of this country the voice of the federal

government and also the state of the federal government if the spaceship fail in this vital responsibility will love me cracking industries in various states support you do you think i believe that they're the approach here at which we have arrived well meet with the approval of all of those segments of the industry and i think it has already met with the representatives of the administration whereby really concerned with the consumer interest speaking of the consumer interest senator mondale as ms betty fern as a white house consultant for consumers known of the compromise has she endorsed it or not yes i'm pleased to report that that this afternoon when she was advised to the details of what i regard to be a very sound practical and thorough effort to protect the american consumer on wholesome meat and i think this is a basic a new and sound agreement that we reached today i'm pleased to report that the news for nasa interested enthusiastically

us every monday your bill originally was described as a tough bill putting federal control in a fairly quickly that if there is a further weakening or if there is a weakening in your compromise bill what we might call now the montoya mondale bill will you go back to your tougher bill we have a very difficult task of trying to shape a major clue updating the shore sound meat inspection and to protect the american public from on wholesome meat i think this is a a profound improvement and what we had and yet in another sense it's a minimum proposal because i've always felt and some employees join me in a sling there's one thing that cannot be compromised and that is regardless of the system we established the american consumer had to be sure but the protection was there to prevent the sale of abortion right and i don't believe that our proposal our

agreement can be weakened without jeopardizing their principal solver if i may say so i think the worst thing this congress can do is to pass a nominal bill of those loopholes which would allow the american public into believing they were protected and from that person's to escape through these loopholes as they are doing today and paddling on wholesome and filthy me to the americas well senator i'm andrea do you think that your bill will go through the committee and passed the senate in view of the fact that the house bill is much weaker well it is my a fervent hope that we can sell the committee on the compromise version that we have prepared and if the commission act favorably on vague version that we will present at the next meeting it is my feeling that they senate almost unanimously will adopt them onto a bill with a perfection amendments that center mondale and i worked out and that should come to pass before the senate is concerned i think such a lot of confidence on the part of the senate

would have a great weight in at persuading the house to adopt our version and meat inspection of sixty four dollar question we've got very little time to protect the consumer from bad meat prepared in intrastate commerce before this bill takes hold assuming it is packed for several protections number one men these plants will now be subject to inspection and public reports of surveillance secondly the governor may waive this two year period three invites terms of now added a new feature that's very important which authorizes the secretary of agriculture and requires him to place a federal inspection and impose federal inspection on establishments that slaughter and distribute and wholesome meat there is a new and important tool here to close down or at least place under federal inspection and thus protect the public from guinea sirius or any important public

health hazard senator mondale and senator montoya thank you both for giving us what might be called the meat of your compromise meet bill baby elmo to this question for many viewers how common shopper be sure of buying quality meat look for the fine print on the meat for them a package which says usda inspected meaning federal inspectors have started as meeting department of agriculture's standards they mail planes no credit what would martin press attention to the lead story notably in dispatches by nick watts washington correspondent of the des moines register and the minneapolis tribune chicago doubled its meat inspection operations just this week illinois inspectors discovered three processes in the chicago area using an illegal preservative unspoiled hamburger patties and ordered them to stop

an uninterrupted one hour conversation with walter lippmann covering vietnam presidential politics urban crisis that present the future will begin on tv help four to win one minute after this because for a station identification isn't it

the video resumes with the insides of walter lippmann has philippines previous appearances on television will broadcast by cbs where he was interviewed by distinguished correspondent howard k smith eric sevareid charles collingwood david show now that would reduce mr lippman the ceiling here is that would be more true in nineteen forty eight walter lippmann was so convinced tom delay was going to be president truman he suggested the democratic candidate for vice president senator barkley become the caretaker of the party even urged democratic senators to relinquish control of the senate by withholding their votes if necessary so the republicans could organize

like a judy callan war and the chicago tribune and many many others lipman was wrong he's been wrong before it probably will be wrong again weather and distinguished company or in the solitary refinements over speak of his ivory tower i say second thank heaven for his mistakes he has never recanted to be the oracle of delphi god help us if we were he would be so besieged for advice he'd never had his column done but of the character what's so great about his car eleven column is a longstanding high standing pillar which supports a fresh idea and opinions stuff in us after twenty nine years in residence the columnist with washington last spring for new york it was like moving a journalistic mount rushmore to park avenue litman rises with monumental big the date above the disneyland of ordinary american journalist his genius is to articulate the heart of the issue it's as if you were working in brass brightly polishing his lucid lot

is riding pierce is a morass of controversy of detail on a complicated subject and cleanly spears the point the fact that he may sometimes appear the wrong point has totally eclipsed for the fact that he is hoisted up at least for public inspection furthermore this puncturing by punditry the flights pomposity and compose his critics to reexamine and defend their own presumptions without their final exercise government would die of bureaucratic hardening of the arteries walter lippmann was graduated from harvard in nineteen ten which happened to be the year i was born you've been writing constantly almost every sense and this is not the first time he has let his where's the moment the television to his kindness isn't encouraging council the younger journalists and students are legion a few years ago james reston and mark a child edited a book about walter lippmann in these times that

was the title lippman wrote in thanks in part and i quote as i read this book and think of the man who wrote it i know that in spite of all my mistakes and file my sins and weaknesses what i've tried to do has not been mis understood no man he said and ask for more nor is he likely to be misunderstood now by the student questioners his listeners or his readers six college students the blm why did meet with walter lippmann represent a variety of schools and political beliefs marry graham graduated from radcliffe college and now studies law at new york university her husband is on active duty in vietnam roger rapoport is a senior at the university of michigan in ann arbor is the editor of the michigan daily a highly regarded student newspaper arnold steinberg a californian is a junior at george washington university in

washington dc a conservative he edits the new guard the magazine of the young americans for freedom leon spitz is completing work on his doctorate in government at harvard university he publishes the ripon society forum a liberal republican magazine family or clifford is a student at the columbia university school of journalism she studied for three years at the international christian university in japan stanley sanders attends the yale law school he grew up in the watts district of los angeles graduated from whittier college and went to oxford on a rhodes scholarship now for an uninterrupted power here is their conversation covering vietnam the presidency and the urban crisis from the very beginning of a vietnam involvement you consistently advised against our getting involved and then against our getting more involved this is a kind of hypothetical question but what will the world look like to

date we haven't been deeply involved in vietnam well i think what would've happened festival is what their president eisenhower said would happen in the whole treatment would be the president of a year united vietnam which would be a communist country in which you know the forms of communism one very bad from what they are in yugoslavia are in bulgaria romania but essentially that would not be a free enterprise capitalist system general motors would not be able to operate freely in in vietnam the system would become unhinged in my opinion it'll be it chinese against them in the sense of being against chinese expansion in a military sense

they would not have been very anti american because you know we own culture literature and he and the original declaration of the viet of the call that the viet minh was quoted from the american declaration of independence he was a great admirer of american libertarian party or sees it he's a trained an orthodox communist but he faced aboard a big vietnamese nationalists and that's much more important than when the economy is an ideology and that's where one thing is that that come about how we would never have gotten into a row with russia we disagree with the middle east now but at that time and the collaboration with the soviet union which was twelve started in

nineteen sixty three you know at the time of the narrative is the speech and after the cuban price would've gone on i think quite a ways and on the whole world will be very much better the united states' prestige in the world between fires today our influence would be greatly respected and we wrote very much respect for our power but not for a wisdom we before that generally what we were you know respected for always been we don't have that great respect and that'll combat will remain in our minds i have no words new york state and the amount of investment that centers run it's a way to maintain relative an awareness was the only kind of this state that we just didn't

in vietnam in northern indochina which was not supported by american mainland and not under chinese influence had no other choice so if there were a communist at all vietnam even for non communists in a sorry if it were anti chinese is what would've happened to the rest of the nation it would've pursued its own development and i don't know which which way would have developed but then we have a common stake in yugoslavia next or group or is it politically had become his body level and commerce it doesn't go forward because this the beginning of the country i mean communism will take hold in a country where there are conditions are ripe for a communist takeover as they are on belgium in north vietnam that doesn't know american army there and i

don't think for a minute that india can no canadians got plenty of problems when communism is one exception is it affects the swedish economists <unk> said recently that he thought the worst thing that could happen in vietnam did for the united states to wear and they felt that the united state constituents suffer measurable and defended what we do when the war in vietnam as our leaders our view that well when you think you think he's right well i think he was sort of talking the strongest he goes there is no such thing of winning it actually is that that the war can be won in vietnam and this war that we're fighting because even if you suppose the limits oppose it and coach and then said i surrender and i will come

to washington or to honolulu or like a new a new dictator if those that her that will be when the way we won the war against japan and that would've been with anything because friday is laotian an ob didn't you think that the vietnamese are going to stand for what we stand for a presence there over in south vietnam impossible to match do you think it's realistic for anyone to expect coaching and to do this i think that no i'm just the utilities work that should give us some sign syria wants them is telling the truth most feel kindly towards i think he's serious because you see benedict only that it will use any serious

role if you face i don't think that he's attending the one thing and meaning another i think he means something which he himself doesn't understand mainly that is going in the old fashioned sense in the sense that we won over the japanese we weren't aware that he thinks that going to happen again that she's not going to have would you then say it's fair to draw distinctions distinction between your criticism and that of those who actually questioned the sincerity of saving ross one and peter woods would you say that he simply say in it and going about it starts on the wrong basically rotten he doesn't want it he wants a peace initiative that sincerely that he doesn't want peter how many times you can get a look at the detention would

be the safe way in the guarantees of what would happen when we left empty in the course of three or four years that kind of care maybe karen promises of elections promises of asylum for people were or on the wrong side of the thing from the point of view of the butt of vietnam and the viet cong and one provision of a good place for young he and general to believe that and when they'd leave vietnam they don't believe that we do and what they're not they wouldn't be the face rulers of states have lived in a foreign country after they were defeated it said the partners to rusk's problem in this understanding the situation in vietnam is that in comparison to the wrong words in the past year old fashioned because many people compared it to truman situation in nineteen forty eight how do you feel about this use of analogy

incessantly and i think the analogy in history have very good if you don't take them too seriously i mean it did they illuminating what if you've taken the zigzag pattern of what's going to happen and it usually doesn't happen exactly the same way i know he's great ten seed to save now this is nineteen forty eight and president truman was very unpopular two and yet he won the election in spite of all the commentators in the polls and everything else well i don't see myself in nineteen forty one well i think it's more like nineteen thirty two was i think it's like who i think that president johnson is in the position that herbert hoover was it hoover had the depression on his hands and nothing he was able to think of what to get him out of it and if the country finally turned over

and got rid of it that was they need to win by a landslide election and yet they elected a man franklin roosevelt whose last months of the campaign was made entirely on the same platform as well where he was followed he said he was for a living that was for you're opposed to sixty days later i think i think the atf as it's now at the analogy who in nineteen thirty two would not forty eight and who might be a notably with nineteen forty it going into a water war like this be a prelude to world war three well i think we're not going into world war three d and i think we're going into a wider war in vietnam more true to life but i

don't think you want to really say it that day you think that the country would get a war fever well president johnson speaking about the war compared to one vietnam to when police can have plenty of vietnam's when we saw that one see the world war that may follow it on vacation couldn't couldn't that a wider we're finding the impatience and to have a scale bombings and demand for the use of nuclear weapons you've got wind of inquiry and demand for all these things but i don't see how that's going to save the situation politically if that's what you had in mind the assumption the country is going to get a sufficiently enthusiastic about this war to and support them and you know kind of unanimity of wartime i don't think that assumption that sound i've been to war is the most unpopular war that i've ever had lived through

in my own life how well the spanish american have a child war to the cold war which was korea and now this and never have it that we approached it in popularity among the people will but suppose there was some kind of incident like suppose the north vietnamese went down and took the eye color from its might in public opinion suddenly rise as it did at pearl harbor that is shaped he's if you want to imagine things like that i dont say it couldn't happen that you can't say it wouldn't know why don't you want your question to getting what you want and when he got the idea well it's not a very sweet thought well i'm going to try to do that they're that if a war that you said president johnson very

unpopular and it seems to me that his one chance of getting re elected is to be in the midst of a wider war by the time election and i think there are people who think they've been around him and i just don't believe each one that would be almost criminal i don't think he had people around him think oh i can't name him but i know there are people in other words pursuing this point and talk about the nineteen thirty two analogy i said ma pointed comparisons was it hoover couldn't extricate itself with its difficulties that's just quit now than how would you evaluate really the charge that they've done probably the highest cynicism skepticism johnson's credibility more sell any other president that he had certain options available one for example is that the war and a sense of urgency gotten reelected president can change course middle street and would simply take

one of these options will get reelected well i think you do a lot of things to be reelected but he was on his country into the third world war he is that i mean i'm a significant challenge criminality on the biggest possible to pay is it do you think that that the americans you want something to do an item on top outlook on the continent asia but rather the view that we ought not to be in asia and how sensitive are you to this claim made by the young people who think we ought not to be in asia or newer isolationist i am when i see order to be a nation i mean you're not be there with the nominee but there's a difference between being a nation

as a trading nation in the confrontation and feel like missionaries in a lab and being there with the nominee on the ground is a very different thing that's the great different and never before the art history at any president said that this really good thing to do for selling just a minute before not be there with an army and we are to be there with some other kind of aid what kind of a visit to the plot along with a kind of half you know i don't object to it but i do calm down and i think we don't have policy we have military position should be at we've already said pulling back from the mainland we should get off that i think illustrate in the south and to the philippines

a when you come up and then beyond that we ought to be we become but their friends and the allies are japan we a week power's ago that we ought to be working with the nation for the resignation of fears about japan festival at union hand maybe you going to village in indonesia let us hope the philippines are stable enough to do to do their part and the soviet union and one of the things that we should've learned from this war that we have to if we're going to be involved with a shared all going with large quantities of money used very wisely to the countries that surround her that for her communist china here comes my fairy i think we share those should

i'm going to issue in that spirit to describe but you remember the congress united states doesn't really appropriate money except for who have come to them or reject the trouble with the way that that's the only thing they care about and you don't think that the congress has learned the slots within their right congressmen who have been in the congress as a collective body that that kind of touches on a point that you've been concerned about that is the relation between public opinion as a whole rose is represented by congress and expert leadership represented by the executive will what you think in foreign policy and we need more or less democracy that it should we let the president follow whatever options he wants from congress set some limits i would say the answer that is neither of those

have turned this our system of government is a presidential system which means really not whether the president particularly said that conversation that but that the port town american life even down their private lives he said by the set from the presidency is likely is the leader of the orchestra and that a good leader can get things out of an orchestra that a poorly that can't get by when conducted the symphony orchestra knew the awful what if you got a great kind of lonely and within second grade and that's what president of the prisoners do what about some of the concertmaster is here like dean rusk and war also and mcnamara and maybe mcgeorge bundy has been in and out of what you think of them and what's their role in the formulation of foreign policy

we have to get one by one million dollars the group writes a list on twitter as he well karen rescue is a very soon see a man whose education stopped about nineteen forty four and you had not laying any ideological or general principles of foreign policy since then and in his mind when he lived in nineteen forty four and witches formulated by for franklin roosevelt to buy your secretary state cordell hull has remained the gospel organ maybe things happened since then the iron ore of china know where they should go into revolution and effect in that poll it's still the same old thing apply

to the original second world war comes and those concert namely that you fight aggression and if you win the battle a vision of peace the job you want that or was invented in the first book and cornell only from liberals and past aren't to dean rusk and to president johnson have accepted as it as if it were blue eternal truth of the gospel truth that you fight wars against aggression and if i then buy and walk it isn't russ rationale really that if it's a deterrent to further aggression <unk> gretchen may occur but it makes it less likely again it doesn't occur as often if you if you need it had on now look at the record we for a nation only about europe

this is the third war against eventually fourteen even your lifetime we for the japanese to prevent aggression and we dictated peace to the japanese and his sound and that was integrating did it did it did it in japanese version will that what happened next or the long war broke out in korea and the effect early example of japan didn't make one big difference to the korean war a warship never be an instrument of the country's foreign policy and that originated in the nuclear age it wore should be a student of national policy at the beach should be an instrument of a universal and that is what is that where people think that the

north and all the years you must expect more reporting that you can defend your country or secure what you're going after or defeat your enemy you don't get our in utopia what what if they're invaded is that all that's the most important thing if you're ready to be invaded that's the best reason for fighting the war i don't whether week we've got slightly off a bit we finished we want you in and we had a few other people that maybe you could come an affair with with other similar officials dispute the west in the making of foreign policy has compared with some of the others that we mentioned i think he showed probably big role is that of the state go through a voice of god is the country's predicament in

it the president it tends to be more easygoing and not so don't stick to principles only back slides and i think dean rusk is the stain voice there dean rusk has he says twice now recently that he will testify before the senate foreign relations committee in open session and you feel about your he wants to testify in close session well if i would dean rusk i wouldn't want to testify in open session even i mean he can't possibly have a good day you can submit to the kind of question that he partly absolute do you think that that evidence that is a very weak case arose i think his case is very weak and he is and i think that day he says he doesn't think it's weak but he doesn't think it's a convenient one to have to defend has a very strong in this country among people don't kowtow to

work is loosely i probably call the left have been among all kinds of very conservative people to a question the phone fundamentals of the year in philosophy and ideology of the war the fundamental truths that we're in with a hawk rusk pyramid is directed there to vietnam's in one of invading our only one vietnam that that issue how many vietnam that where we put out there in a country known as south vietnam which is run by the south vietnamese and i say it's not it's to be a part of the bigger country in vietnam and that actually its government the time but people who were born in this country but we are defending what you think is the aggressor in vietnam the air have an actor this is well when the united states and it's the united states

that is in fact in terms of international law the united states i would use would be sued by you know the united states is in to being in the war civil war and that is a mistake and we'll have the state will have to relate to be corrected in one of the court named means well he he of course enormously a woman he has shown however that he has very little political judgment which means he has a very similar sensibility and eighty two it holds a sense that intuition he does not understand what you've got a sound like to the other he handed that means that has lead him into a fearful of the mistake

i think in various for though is really that he is an organization he's there and he doesn't really agree with the policy of escalation that we are pursuing but he yeah he carries about an arms archie i don't think he can be any idea of not being sick it would rather have someone there who agree with the policy of escalation would rather have someone there who was an organization that sort of politician i'd like to i'd like a state this past week the non windy phil mcaleer has been unable to persuade the presence of hormones military escalation when are you asking me to get into a very rural part would i can't possibly know what really i mean even when he's tried think he's tried it i think the president in

india was vulnerable to the military as i think it he has a year opened and ninety five years they've a win in the head but the this is the other thing that they would return how well prepared and if you like and he if he has to have somebody opposed to if he'd rather not have the situation there was of course they're they've got on them the patriots here in a pittsburgh pa ph hearing constituency in the united states political political reasons it's much more dangerous to be against chief of staff are getting stirred mike mansfield are built for ride is a song threat of american art pursuing a conscious foreign policy but rather

bumbling and commitments they like the vietnam war step by the right in step and not really aware of what it's getting itself and simply by five cards that's the decision making that we seem to fall yes i think that's really what's happened i think that is the year we're about foreign policy has become a matter of like putting a bill through the senate of placating this one of placating that hu and bombing enough so that they will reject and that they would pick their least in the air that's the way the dome thing is wrong he was saying that the president is running the bureaucracy not like an orchestra leader that like kind of a vote getter was that he once supported what is as far you know that he is conducting the war exactly as he lived as leader of the city or judicial system

that is we have a civilian harmon now a new film about traditional ballads as in government is alien is a i don't think you see has two man between him and the military the uniformed military and the secretary rusk loves the military life shooting very nearly became a professional children's health because of the way he felt about his service in the war world war and a that he reads he's close a maybe to the pentagon or not and martin morrow and that is not a statement at night they will be able to control of the generals to the point where they will carry out the autonomy of the order it go on beyond this point they will bomb beyond that point he can afford and he may say why don't you laugh or not

even your face here and then he doesn't even able to prevail if president johnson attempting to apply consensus approach to foreign policy and if so what we think we're going to call what i describe as that as consensus approach it won't work you can't conduct of foreign policy but when our position during the six day war in june in the middle east it's in the role of american foreign policy is you can see chip before minute parker jr oh i suppose is this a bystander wishing authorities will and unwilling to make the facility over that time we'd play because we have the israelis one that warren six days we would have had an awfully terribly tough

decision to make in the country but we weren't kicking people making you the country was going to take on another war with vietnam and we couldn't let the israelis be overrun this in mind we're assuming the war going the other way so we can quickly that it was a little boy the issue is that i couldn't and along with lyndon johnson and the president well what i mean to say what i was saying is that lyndon johnson has committed himself personally and before the world and before the american electorate to an object that is on in my view on the table he wants an anti communist anti chinese and pro american regime in saigon republicans would be his possible

opponents wallace committed to the same to show his republican opponents as you actually are just as united as he is about though they were they believed that they believe things that weren't true of the wall in europe twenty five years ago when the crew of this war one who's going to be this republican candidate and b johnson and extricate us from vietnam they get that showed non sequitur because johnson if they defy think goes on the way is going will be himself what i mean is it you is it he got into a position from which he can't get out of justice who would be added nineteen thirty two who was in the depression he couldn't do anything to get out of it and if that is true if the war doesn't miraculously turned into something which i can't

imagine that all of the good that it doesn't prove that he knew his popularity was sickened by nineteen by the election may be no one who will quote and going out in public the crowd was so thick and his credibility gap with just like johnson nobody believed would be can you really if you read the real story of who was last year there were just a few when franklin was coming back to rose the recovery every you'll be astonished how much is now and if that's the real parallel there when the president gets a very unpopular something like that they actually the question on the victim's or the camp when you're watching people down and down and down and finally the country we repeat

the other worry is the question for the country republican like eisenhower in korea you know when an end of the korean war right now and they think a war would be in the term of the next president united states he allegedly is nagging i don't know what if lyndon johnson's re elected i don't know what would happen and i really think the country would be in a very dangerous conditions i wouldn't get to predict and each day about me i don't know like you have an opinion about which of the republican contenders is most likely to get us out to wanna get a site quickly are they all well i'll put it that way it just going to make it i think i'm going to or to be an expression of the law and i'm for rockefeller night because i think i know exactly what he

thinks about vietnam or whether i agree with what he thinks about the americans and for him because the great problem is what we do inside this country which internet and john it were actually save lives for a candidate in either party for dealing with our internal fish but there are some who think that the vietnam war is not so bad except that it's this shouldn't be a part our number one priority that the nation is beset with poverty program that it's it's also has to grapple with the ongoing problem gracious in america i was wondering if you feel that there's something wrong the options and priorities are displaced within ninety americans i think they are the reason i mentioned that but i would say that the

nation and especially a democratic nation is not capable of having two great calls at once fighting the war in vietnam and rebuilding the american society at home in the cities in london whale dramatic or with a patient thirty three that this country has started a program or a trend of realtors internal social reform and three times the thing has been interrupted by war and the reason why our city for certain section this is that this is a neglected problem been neglected for over fifty years you don't think any any any treatment at all should be given to the government's argument that it could pursue two wars

at the same time the government doesn't pursue the best answer that is that they're not pursuing the other way or it seems like there's a good deal of evidence that our problems in dealing with are domestic issues of this sort do not light only with the vietnam war or if there were no vietnam war would the war poverty have succeeded seems to me there's something to do with the bureaucratic approach to these problems that isn't right what would rockefeller handle that any better than chance i think i like that if i can if they have very good about that then the navy had that complicate the problems of poverty raised in themselves within the visible future what you can get is the feeling of momentum among the people frightened by that we are moving in that direction

and that's the feeling that you're doing your new wave somewhere is more than a solution to how to get that well its great leaders produced an unnamed candidate that was great candidates which are needed to solve it it really gave people the feeling that he was on his way and what they have had nearly twenty feet away anyway but do you really think that a great leader as you say on kennedy he once that example by whatever means are available in besides in addition to substantive they can get the people who are rioting in cities and that has become one of the most important concerns a feeling that things are moving without giving them sufficient jobs without solving the real substantive problems that were concerned that bill

or he can do anything in the sense of shouting the problem worse the problem that created but if you did that if you had given the countrywide pouring money into vietnam and he defends her today these problems wouldn't exist in the in the with the virulence of exists now and iris aviation and insofar as dealing with the problem of the ghettos and so is concern is that it made a problem of the white community this for the sake of the black and the white if their fields under their own as if everybody in new york is being made better for everybody

white and black and there's a movement forward than they do money will be unveiled rosen the country are suggesting that there is a negro solution to the technical problems are and it seems as though our legal leadership art is becoming more militant in the sense that they are insisting on any good solution to what were largely american solutions to the negro problem and yet i was wondering in the context of what is that area whether this is is the right direction for new leadership are assured the country staying with a lot it is well i am the first great if you carry as i understand it correctly if one recent flight to understand that the black power largely been resisting it leads you to carry far enough to out of the system of apartheid and one a live

separately from the white population of this country this country is irreverent irrevocably committee to living together to being in a bi racial multi racial state it's impossible to segregate this is a wave in cairo of mississippi and alabama and say that's enabled state solution is a whole new about from the beginning is therefore the problem as well which made and in a way would you help most living together in a multi racial state and there i have a grave of sympathy with a great many things i read why some of the black power advocate for state that really advocating self respect and do it yourself and financing your own thing that i think is sort of the good i don't think that

is editor of the health and lifted up by a white liberals are drawn is a good policy and that gives you can keep coming unpopular among the suppose you a song but different factual grounds namely that it's an obvious that the negroes and whites in american society today aren't separate communities not only in an hour an uncommon mississippi but in the large cities in the know are and from that extrapolate to do that the new leadership is taking now there are direction should not be toward immigrants decided that that doesn't that doesn't solve problems of the negro community and rather than fight the battle on the integration segregation take for granted that american society a segregated and build a

community of the negro community i'm into a viable and competitive partner in in america in american society you shea porter barron park partner in the sense that it's a it's a bitter coexistence between between most will simply because we have no alternative that simply because we can't allow we need this so much resistance to integration in the schools of integration and before that the quality education can do with it sb integration before we might be waiting live with it he does believe in that method of integration that was adopted in the eisenhower years after this supreme court decision they needed rain or school system i wonder

if a wise the mood of a degraded the graduate students faced ministers lawyers engineers storm and that that didn't trickle down nearby dia last people would've immigrated with the teenagers then we might start at the bottom and integrated children but then we took that all in one great bob and i think that for sure have a good fit what is and isn't an old negro league still dealing with the problem as it is and the american college where like i think i think in so far egypt's dealing with it psychologically in the sense of getting carried yourself respectively goes to do their own thing i think it's sort of the book but it's not solving the problem there is the resources are not there in the negro community to solve the problem they knew the resources then all the

numbers so that in indian didn't have to be a partnership as usual with m and people but not a month you can make a part of a massive people are ignored on bills that you have to make partners of educated people change the political sense will tell you might indicate the nation than confrontation namely have flowed in the deal poses a greater enough threat to national security sympathy because he is that we will learn about that is that you get a backlash from that which would be something terrible would it would be it would be temporary and now between sort of haranguing confrontation and the trickle down from educated people

isn't is an institution was politics and the electoral system and the lobbying system if you will isn't that also form of education that is you don't have to wait for the leaders to be educated if you managed to get both the negro and white communities in political processes that force them to interact isn't that sort of middle ground well i think that's all good of being favored them of course but that doesn't really neat question the question is can we can the negro community acting on its own resources and courage of my solo piano forced the nation to solve the problem of the new that i think it is time to turn to us seeing the worst times the worst times we've seen are these the worst times there've been in your lifetime or the contrary i think it

is happening so i'm more and more worried about the state of the country i think i've ever been before one image not because i'm afraid of and you want don't think we get there and what i have she is the disintegration of hope and belief in we'll willpower morale that's what they use to get here they're among some people that with some of the far left is dropping out of the political system refusing to vote going for a third party that's when think there's a much greater risk of very very far right another mccarthy type not if not and sixty eight we looks unlikely then a little later than that taking over the country what you think of that possibility is a possibility of cargo i wouldn't say a question is do you feel that trend yeah i don't think it'll happen but it i think it could have been

laid out as a possibility but i have i just want to say in this connection in gaza conversations beginning to run the long line which i regard as wrong and political discussion reid is trying to find out what's going to happen so we know what the full us know what we're for and then make it happen spread into forgetting where most of us are a little bit too old to be hippies and maybe a little bit too young to understand them did you see in other generations anything at all similar to the hippie and i'm not sure i know it could be flavia needed i had a hit beach someone the ways of the head and that takes care of the aged drugs and it's a very important ideology though least among among the hardcore hippies and some buddies call them it's a it's a positive feeling of a community spirit that the world

is is not running things the way they are to be wrong and so the hippies drop out and try to form their own community pool community that a non it spits quietness doesn't believe in taking a political action to solve its problems and doesn't believe in the kind of commitment to action that you're talking about is more contemplative huge contingent of an escape to withdraw or it's not anything similar in your lifetime several years after the first world war everybody was totally disillusioned and disappointed with wilson's great dream beside say that they'll be and that was a great exodus from this country that's way before the league the young intellectuals writers

they all want to get to paris from london move to paris that was risque have thought that kind of disillusionment no i don't think it really i mean i managed to reel and women are so much attention at some point the confines of their lives well now i don't have that feeling of it i like to fight and the evening i don't believe in saying games open take that drug and the arctic to live it at least i don't but it does show that in the middle ages people were you said that you've said that you thought that the way the reason the times were very bad now was because i'm kind of disintegration of hope you see a way out of that was that inevitable so they have to you have to have

a new leader for doctors who suddenly begin to make the rhythm go into this thing is there is sometime the country is in the mood to solve everything goes it's great period elizabeth night was a kind of a cleaning and the new deal and it's in the early eighties was that kind of an age and that john f kennedy's was beginning to be and the great society in the face months of johnson was that maybe that's the thing you got to have and what will be the equivalent of an elizabethan age in america when people hope and believe they're not willing to fight and don't insist on the gallup poll in advance of the only people are willing to pay for and the question is really the fascinating way to live i mean if you if you've seen

it raised and asia as many times as i have or know if it was a war that would leave the uk one novel kevin say we can't wait and we have the rights only of waste that we have with despair and then deterioration and resort that has been practiced that people that believe that we do something the insides of walter lippmann was the first of a series of conversations with opinion makers of our time on future broadcasts ppo will present similar conversations including one with former secretary of state dean acheson part three weeks or john gielgud at the john f

kennedy memorial and when he made england the personal viewpoint of edward p morgan begins in one minute after this because for a station identification he'd nico

generally once told said to teacher don't teach my boy poetry he's going to run for congress the president then said i think politicians and poets share at least one thing and that is that their greatness depends upon the courage with which they face challenges so were nineteen sixty three the president spoke of amherst college paying tribute to one of america's reports they may she reveals itself not only by the many producers but also by the minute on them and it remembers in america iraq and arrows of customarily run the man of large accomplishments but to date is acknowledge and count on is a man whose contribution was not to our size but it was very hard to our political beliefs but you are inside now to our self esteem but to us sell

comprehension many create power make an indispensable contribution to the nation's greatness of the meadow question power make a contribution just as indispensable especially when the questioning is just an arrest or they determine whether we use foul or power uses us a national strength matters of the spirit which informs and controls our strength that is just as much when cowley mayor taveras or three reminded him of an imitation wind power narrow the areas of man concerned poetry reminds him of the richness and diversity of its existence and power corrupts poetry cleanses for rod establishes the basic human truths which must their servers the touchstone of our judgment the oddest however faithful to his personal vision of

reality becomes the last champion of the individual mind and sensibility against an intrusive society and inefficient state aw is to nourish the roots of our culture society must set the oddest free to follow his vision wherever it takes we must never forget that our is not a form of propaganda it is a form of truth the highest duty of the writer to compose the artist is to remain true when sal and i'll let the chips fall where they may an asian reveals itself said president kennedy not only by the men it produces would buy them and it honors the man remembers it this week the community of

nations marks the fourth anniversary of john kennedy's death bpl as elected to remember that anniversary with the poetry he believed knowledge the roots of our culture from an historic model near windsor castle sir john gielgud pays tribute to the verses of town was these other fields a running mate in this place and was interested in jon's on magna carta more than seven hundred years ago when president kennedy was assassinated four years ago in which raises unwarranted and read and hear an echo of english wrong in this place i would like to share it nice nice again

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fought back through creeks and inlets making comes silent flooding in remain are not placed windows only when daylight comes comes in the line from the song fly snow how slowly westwood common beauty of running me make a fitting back to the memorial of john f kennedy english woods and fields of arkansas of conspiring if that was saying you wrote some lawson's birds and bylaws of aid hua mei of june july flowers who sing and may pose called cops why sales weeks i'd like to read for you or some of those songs and wakes from the image out works of english poets i would like to read into the memory of john f

kennedy sunset to the evening's top want to record for me maybe no moaning of the balaclava to see such a tight as morning seems asleep tool for a sob and foam when that ritual throughout the boundless deep turns again i liked in the evening they're low and after that the dark and may there be no sadness of farewell over a lot of oil of time and place the flood may bear me thought i hope to see my pilot face to face when i have crossed the law after this it was lawyers the role that was devalued for truth was taken with a summons when he understood it he called for his friends until the law that then said he i'm going to my

father's and that was a great difficulty i've got it now i do look at that real trouble i agree that to arrive well i am i saw that i give to him that shall succeed me in my community and my colleague can skew for him the committee i'm mark since cause i carry with me to be a witness for me that i have for his battles when i would be madder ward when the daily must go against was calm been a accompanied him to the riverside and which as he went he said that's where is lasting as he went on the police said they use where he's lived victory so you've passed over paul trumpets sounded for him on the other side to mercy pity peace and love all pray in their

districts and to the virtues of delight return they're thankful that's almost a pity peace and love is god our father dear and that's a big a piece of the lovers' bare his child oh mercy as a human heart at a human face and love the human form's divine and peace a human rights then every man of average climbed appraise it is just this craze for the human form's divine love mostly at peace alan siegel was a young particular the first world war several years ago president kennedy read one of syria's problems on edward r murrow as television program that was at kennedy one of his favorite lines i have a rendezvous with debt

some disputed dedicate when spring comes back with ruslan shade of apple blossoms philly yeah i have a rendezvous with death when spring brings back rule days maybe he should take my hand and lead me into his dark land and close my eyes and quench my breath it may be i shall pass and still i have a rendezvous with death on some scarves slope a better deal when spring comes around again this year and the first medal flowers a broad nose to have better to be deep unload unsold consented than their love falls out in the school's sleep pulse michael paulson breast rath well hushed awakenings audio but i rendezvous with death at midnight and some flaming time when spring trips north again this year and i live i shall not fail

p b l concludes with a personal viewpoint from edward p morgan in washington her family were to strike off the medal of honor for courage demonstrated off the battlefield i'd recommend that it be awarded this week to a southern gentleman of the declaration of independence from south carolina last sunday morning the reverend cortes were thanked me lawyers mentioned vietnam and his sermon at his little episcopal church in williamsburg virginia and he hung we asked one member of his congregation who happened to be the president of the united states yes some logical straightforward explanation might be given of why we're fighting in vietnam without endangering he added that whatever military or political advantage we hold almost instantaneously the creature became a combatant in an angry controversy that engulfed the demilitarized

zone of his book he was branded by outraged patriots as unpatriotic and he was castigated for making the president or the captive audience to attack his war policy it's a distressing reflection and an ironic reflection on the quality of american pie that if a preacher had simply invoked god's blessing on our prosecution of the war against the communists the peeps of protest would have made no more noise than a firefly in the insulated confines of the white house well meaning but over protective age invariably build a great pains to shield any president from exposure to the set be a respectable or be it responsible to whatever degree so maybe it was not psyched really jokes but lyndon baines johnson got it in church from a clergyman was great game life to the moral and ethical tenants that americans sometimes find it easier to recite them to live by president johnson's role in the midst of war is a particularly

painful and awful war and it's natural for him to exhort the nation community but in answer to this correspondence question at last friday's news conference at the white house the president said he branded no opponent as unpatriotic and he defended the rights of dissent he rightly differentiated however between dissent and the disgraceful dissension of hulu's who trample right of free speech under four year old tries to repeal the bill of rights for everybody but himself i submit your hero is a big rig with a bullhorn now particularly is an appropriate time to remind ourselves that the strength of america is deeply rooted in a soil of history richly fertilized by questioning dissent by reforming courage of conviction of humble ingredients called leadership this week marks the date which a courageous leader

fell by young leader and tomorrow mr ali a firmware update on one of the greatest defenders of archive norman thomas six times thomas ran for president as a socialist he got nowhere at the polls but nearly every single reform he ever advocated from social security through the enfranchise rid of the rose is now the law of the land and it was really a speech three weeks ago today said i don't like the sight of young people burning the flag of the country i love they should be washing not learning four years ago next wednesday another man who loved his country with a passion was especially john f kennedy once said that he looked forward to a future in which our country will match its military strength with our moral strength its wealth without wisdom its power without purpose that future

cannot be gained without such dissent as a williamsburg minister have the courage to raise lesson or without public support for the perfection of the reforms that that radical norman thomas with the red necked i had the brave foresight to demand and without that rare combination of boldness and restraint which that lonely leader at sixteen hundred pennsylvania avenue the president of the united states is having patiently comics for himself the shape of a personal point of view this has been another in the continuing series of experimental interconnected broadcasts produced and edited for public television by the stats of the educational university and community television stations in your area with the assistance of

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