1973 Watergate Hearings; 1973-09-25; Part 6 of 6

they are hallowed move rick perry and even in those days and you also say that in view all things that disparity that the cia was not involved in domestic and when i say three years yet there's that other than that members of the united states unethical activities were engaged in by any person

is acting individually or in combination of others in the presidential election of nineteen seventy two or any campaign pandas or other activities related to ron washington and that gavel to gavel videotape coverage of today's hearings on the senate select committee on presidential campaign activities years and by correspondent jim lehrer it was a tough second day parade our time the stamina of the physically weak and weary spy was obvious obviously faltering as he was forced to respond to some intense probing by the senators for instance on the tail and want to refashion why he believes there was a double agent in the watergate operation and senator weicker with the attempted to shoot down the whole theory senator analysts suggested that caught the professional pulled up nothing but flops for the white house in those and the nixon campaign forcing on to defend his competence as a spot and other examples that you will say look through all in his precise low key way drop a few surprises the double agent

that for work and also let state and the cia is always been involved in the most of the charles colson directed him by phone in that interview with it key figure in the beer but to import notebook from his white house aides are still missing and that he felt dirty tricks man blouse ago it was up to salt more games to mention just a few and all that was laced with that marvelous detail of the secret agent's art that we know on clandestine operations world seldom go a glance up and in that regard the poles are more about fellow secret agent with a colt named fact check as peter kay reports from the hearing room what's that jack two super spicy howard hunt is an informant who passed on information stolen from headquarters of presidential candidate edmund muskie the former colleagues used john buckley fifty three retired june thirtieth as chief of the office of economic opportunities inspection division just the other is a former fbi agent and attorney a former staff member of the house education and labor committee and now an investigator

for a washington law firm headed by joseph leonard ellerbe former high justice department official as dr jack however inept five times without on a washington street corner early in nineteen seventy two swapping a marked envelopes of money for federal copies of information stolen from the ski headquarters demanding stop when the city's political star faded and fat tax agents were unable to penetrate the headquarters of democratic front runner george mcgovern in fact jack approach has earned its place in history and today he joined moving on to propose sedan chair and most rivers in the lexicon of watergate story that goes beyond even the fertile imagination a spy novelist e howard hunt gene i'm so much for that jack the latest member of our spy gallery at the close of the night's broadcast i'll be back with george will washington editor of national review to discuss the day's proceedings for now here's an hour by our rundown of today's

testimony in the first hour lays out his theory of why he thinks alford baldwin was a double agent he bases that on a belief that baldwin had intimate ties to democrats in connecticut also matt hour and admits he asked bernard bipartisan telegrams to the white house after president nixon announced the mining of five von robert in the second hour sas to be put on he received by the cia or supporting super the party says yes and then test devices telephone and address books that he last saw his white house aide to the handbook victims operation anonymously details his work with the agent called fat tax in the musty officers that we still open says he and gordon liddy talk about getting a choice follow democratic candidates aircraft intercepting communications and the fourth balances liddy told and john mitchell was insistent on making a second injury in a democratic and we're also now it denies that he requested or received any offers of executive clemency in the final hour

two a theory also on that our minority council thompson reached cables in which catalogued says the united states will support the coup against him testimony empowered the police bomb it is you're right we need

security he's only hearing yesterday stay with me this morning is that it is a step the judges saying i sent you to thirty years to make the changes now call the tribe and i think that there is a robust that provisional status using the fact remains that he is that everything we said yesterday that sense he's facing is accurate but it's not like all the judges that i sent you to thirty years it's also a milestone you also i mean i

feel they have not been tried that is not correct senator you have not mean i have not been in that and i testified before the federal grand jury in los angeles grand jury under grant immunity justice be sentenced to thirty years in prison nosair plan on that and directly this clandestine organization the wall street freedom that there's a real value lady yesterday from this conflict inside the only tuesday who directly due to the

volatility mr david yeah that's right mr mr no no you think that you owe save my understanding shortly prior to my enjoyment white house staff i was the subject of a full field

quite influenced by the fbi at the same time i understood that because i had been a cia only a relatively short period of time that all the top level clearances that i've held at cia had been reinstated the pentagon papers that not without the permission of the departments that it would be months now you've got that you thought of cable of meeting with the kennedy administration is that true now what did you finally prove that you've got that seventy agent came what was an agent of fabricated people didn't want to get sick question

as i recall and seventy one counts was aig a query or an inquiry from one of the saigon embassy which ambassador lives then headed a fascinating course of action such as grandin no political asylum to the most to lose him and his brother in law in the event that they should seek asylum and the second day of cable and i've fabricated was in the lead the response from the white house today for what was on it was a negative response no worries it was alleged to be president kennedy speaking for this government that political asylum granted now was inevitable that relate to the

implication that president kennedy and the assassination of president though would have resulted in the deaths of the two men in other words that it was all well assassination as usual there's an occasion those alienated catholic vote in the presidential election of nineteen hundred and seventy two that would have been a part of a lot of the cable the answer thank you just go and also saw yet why this nomination the press lately though that the ddt correct through history of iraq

whitehouse is the lesson that we would try and go i'm as to benin others in the white house was to go congress that's right thank you i get into a minute presentation of that list making the subpoenas the novel now the first term and now missouri caucuses too expensive as it was reported you know it doesn't they did last week they turned it down because of the nature of the plants that correctly that her

now rival break in and entering into the watergate complex little and he told me that his carrier northwest beauty and that has leo and i don't know that under no circumstances you wouldn't have dissipated and i thought it was a solo flight on portability and no one else would as you have mentioned that you operate in areas and products from the west coast with julie exactly what they were great ones the field in breaking and his office is that correct the facts all right it's bleak on the peaks but psychologist karen dalton's injury in the

repetition that question did you pay to desecrated and directed the us caught him find out exactly what right right at the time of the quake and then the ceiling

and it certainly is my calculation legal history and providing that equation for abuse by a mumble prayers activities which are engaged i interviewed mr clifton a lot of the past i am also interviewed retired general organs and mr olson request it's in caramel says are

the survivors of the positive information from various request these mountains i didn't i can't recall which is wrong report it you know you know it's easy

i have no knowledge of the world oh this is an aberration i've understood that that mr libby about david young and so we have to put on that door which is the general manager of the white house in an effort to divert undue attention from the activity it into that room one thing country

i wouldn't necessarily say that extra legal operation this guy i can imagine first i would not wanting to promise that the operation that we have set up a president ordered was an extralegal passing the and that power i think bill and same time was secret service and i was given to understand that that was because neither organization was sufficiently in the confidence of the

administration to be in cars secondly as anti operation that feeling and ninety years later years a record incumbency the entry in the operation and the prison population they even examined these regulations and you sell

if you're going to hear about the series of events of that night taken and in their totality solidarity and suggested to me for many months we might benefit were entrapped by information having been provided before him to a local long court before a member of the aryan you who do you think about how i would have i would have to indicate that most likely years of hit the ball only recently hired

nice job i mean yeah that's right and hired him not for itself for the original protection of the attorney general and the ordinances margaret mitchell i do not know yesterday president

obama had rather intimate ties to the democratic party in connecticut without the notes i would have suggested he was the nephew of the judge that the democratic judges do it at least at one point in time or presented himself as a billionaire john bailey who have been longtime was chairman of the democratic party in connecticut i understood that the subsequent to the actual that's had a girlfriend were quote democratic national headquarters there was the question of which has never been resolved at least to my satisfaction the dc police department's so called on scott to

something like two hours after their normal course their immediate response from the scene of the watergate and the failure to alert the novelty and then also the credit national convention the reason is right morning

steve before and again the action with mr libby gave him was now they are all in business suits and this time the unrest began taking place on the sixth floor of the democratic national headquarters construction serves four

get moving so van van likely to the record home in long island left the other than that haven't taken african affiliate once we made contact with one or more glorious known to be known for their affiliation with democratic party at this point i don't know at our previous sheriff or whatever might be worth on a seven or

whatever it might be worse that was in july thank you he indicated to me that mr baldwin and tobago of perfect propriety than facts are come to washington following a treaty connecticut which had retained counsel and on top of the committee for the reelection of the president which time he thought he'd come from the systems bought the importance to justify and exposing as they are and they're dealing with the los angeles times he did well

senator if i made a misstatement that requirement of the headquarters of the election of movie to me you're close you don't think you're doing anything he's at mit

security i believe in an illegal way from white house if certain that the records of three phases of electronic paraphernalia was recovered from that there was another expensive evidence which presented by itself suggested to me suggested to me the key eventually the variations on my wife died less than a month before and particularly tragic accident produced by there's no question questions

theres lots of us represented by maternal specified due to novels which i believe would have had even produced a possible you grew up eating a cherry tree and this destruction the power to push back electronic evidence was

destroyed so much so i believe that they should just do the following and i testified on a nun to testify was the fact that mr the finding in my rifle white house safer <unk> courts briefcase replete with electronic equipment was certainly would be used against me that letter was not destroyed that was produced she's against me i was there such a nature that the names

and the position of those who in fact had authorized the creation of the planet as just one final question i'm homeless line in question were you ever promised executive clemency and eventually completed until now so much of the stuff i'm assuming that was the bowling was a revelation mr ball and the local police officials reconsidered the recessions were wrong or illegal police are closing in women's

behalf because biko my assumption was suddenly it was that the project itself was legal

now mr walz actions in disclosing circuit wednesday the operation itself it used to be the general manager and

part of the initial invasion news it does speculation i don't

know anything in the fight to jerusalem and i mean senator i did not i expected that a political contributions with their respective contributors the list the operational procedure was we had these listings would be to have that it out or to investigate it huge contributor

i think two reasons first of all any such intervention would have been a violation of the united states for all and secondly a concern for national security if you were successful the information would have been turned over to mr libby who i seem to like wait for the speculation on the subject with hiv pass through channels which her and eventually with the proper resources of others say the irs and the fbi and the play singing

fb it doesn't move the country it was unwitting i'll at all about entry for example the miners have to be a beard might fabrication of vietnam cables things of that nature i don't know national security

reasons i was a pretty lady fabrication of the vietnamese people was again another measure that the national security nevertheless i was acting on instructions of a senior white house official these days jesus you know at that juncture i did not senator my awareness of the true political espionage aspects of young people from my perceptions i should say were maybe acute in connection with the proposed convention by the democrats in a miami beach

florida was that time that we began the or what would become a massive collection program this is success successful of any successful i would characterize the feeling entry is

successful with unproductive fashion or i would characterize first word be as successful in the technical sense usually conducting the operation without detection comedian my attention much later than that we're looking for a line of sight listening post for mr mccourt in front of the fontainebleau hotel that we had reported back that we had found a

household word for the fontainebleau hotel subsequent to that mr libby told me that one of these barriers and suggested that the household could be used as a rendezvous and perhaps a place in which compromising photographs were tape recordings could be made it's both as a lot of bases the

job having a job i don't know former chief justice of the supreme court's case report in connecticut would be raymond lowe who was also the republican senator from connecticut who is also the republican governor of connecticut and he's generally looked upon as most republican state your relationship

do you and i know that to be all of that i was given to understand by mr mccourt that and it was very concerning to show the true in kay's case

there's no question nina simone episode he collects

nathan hendren humiliation the revolving door i don't know you know i have never known i haven't shown photographed by a member of the staff course it does work doesn't bother william buckley and senator james buckley many patients you're going to tell

me to photograph the photograph of john buckley of that photograph is in fact john bohannon so identified as being at a fact check it is ms cummins this is major it's been fun

your relationship in the nineteenth century this is the only occasion of operations regency and investigator consider you to be his career you know well you know

julia you don't did he have any conversations about hell collide on with the other three jon ireson what it wouldn't be fair is that it would be fair to say you know you're being disappeared it's b did you indicate whether any ways that you indicated to

list of water that are still operating in i would put it this way if i might center and still be fully five secure question mr barker was well aware that i was an employee at the white house and those letters to him on white house stationery he had my white house telephone extension he in fact had the kind of the white house with a friend on one occasion white house term loosely i mean you're an executive office and i came down for lunch so that question of lying was at one point the white house dentist about to receive anymore committee to reelect president or it was the words

the words the words this skill that they try to distinguish among those several possibilities if i might state in connection with the protection of the mine's ceo jeffrey hoover mr barker received orders from the we have certain things tunisia asked about the reports was to let the market because without work together during feeling into the preceding year i know that mr barker very hectic established a shot that telephonic communications and even perhaps mail communications with mr barker violation objection we talked about it

not deal exclusively with me on these matters relationships security companies a reason to believe any official of the united states government patients be how much

it really is were you so now i'm not aware of it but about the relationship her conclusion that reason i do you will tolling i

started following him in that connection i don't know if it would be the day before the actual date senator i don't have telephonic records available for me the connection with that is that however yes we just do conversation no visions for victory you weren't even here today's speech and i did and you know the contents of the president's speech a prior to the speech that i know the contents of the president's speech prior to his speech was for one to request and to work that's

mary questioned that the attempt to have as my telegrams are as possible sent to the white house immediately following the president's speech manifesting vasquez after the president's speech well that won't even this is your ears and their supporters and that hasn't even though there's a book that's out

it's by the piece by the pesetas because of jimmy cagney is based on reason the question is not clear mr hunt i think that it would be very helpful mr chairman if we could have a five minute recess

this is big at this point the strain of the hearings began to take its toll on mr hunt it took a few moments to console his attorneys and collect his thoughts after that arrest that he recalled more details about drumming up support for president nixon's speech announcing the money to live on our last question why clinton in miami where it's been nice

being treated at there's a very easy in a very ready answer to your question however some reason i don't know why he running down a lot of very cautious however i perceived it within your question perhaps some deeper meaning for deeper implications and i was able to run for or let me respond to your question these terms having been asked to engender support for the president's forthcoming huy fong speech i think

the hype on speech and be in very general terms were having when i was there to see research support from all sources that included in particular mr barker even though i did not know the debate and text of the speech to workers are responsive to your question senator he's a gentle way without a specific way i have no recollection of a writer on the other hand that that cooperation because of the actual content of the speech well the instructions to rally support for the president and the three g gordon liddy the information is too

such occurrences the state senate was not going to look as if they're saying the us again back to the official image which you had in the us renee montagne host it's been fb