1973 Watergate Hearings; 1973-07-25; Part 1 of 3

the pay is a new painter and then similar senator who weighs thirty the famous subprimes wall came from england and also is well known in this country but no my homeland party is a bb king of england came in and without his pension i'm down in my thinking and this is an investigation

as acting individually or in combination with others in the presidential election of nineteen seventy two campaign related to things good evening it's a brave man who comes to debate the constitution and the powers of the presidency with sam irvin but john ehrlichman did that today about a second day before the senate committee were spending legal arguments in an attempt to justify the burglary of daniel ellsberg's psychiatrist by the white house numbers the rest of the time and spend under nine the testimony of other witnesses and accusing the late j edgar hoover a bureaucratic country he accused john dean of line and john mitchell other than a hazy memory and he reiterated that he had no complicity in the watergate cover up

with and it will spend at least another day we are at one and possibly two outside the caucus room world and ehrlichman and wilson versus urban it is applauding audience there were other developments related to the watergate crisis president nixon met this morning with a republican congressional leadership vice president agnew was there and so as republican national chairman george watch when the meeting broke up gop senate leader if you scott said he felt the urban committee was correct and reselling the subpoena of white house tapes and documents but he predicted that the president would ultimately try up in the supreme court the republican house leader gerald ford said he did not feel that the president's decision to withhold the tapes was having any adverse effect on the president's support in congress he said there'd been a celeb the case of republican backing of the president the senator robert dole of kansas was his predecessor as head of the republican party set on the nbc's today show that he felt the president should tell all about watergate

it the president's not involve one and inform some of us i think it's long past that we can save the watergate will just collect service and also a new harris poll released today and tang among other things the results that sixty percent of its apple hill at the president should released the tapes and papers the next round of the confrontation will come tomorrow and peter gave a report on that mr will bring another milestone in the continuing constitutional battle among the white house the senate watergate committee and special prosecutor archibald cox subpoenas direct president nixon to deliver presidential documents and tapes to the committee and talks by ten o'clock tomorrow morning but nobody really expects that to happen instead senator sam irvin told reporters today that he expects the white house to seek to quash the subpoenas that legal maneuver would propel the thing and a federal court and eventually to the us supreme court if the white house doesn't act levin says the committee has two choices faster walk and seething contempt citation by the whole senate against

president of iran and he's he doesn't want to do that the other alternative is to seek a declaratory judgment your judgment all right papers they will sink in and that will give the president that will make though all that the supreme court should render such a verdict and in the favor of the senate committee that the president would intend to have played well on that sort of the i don't think the work of the war now going on the same grounds has already sided there is a separation of our battle of the supreme

court says that his position that all of vindication that there was no such law and i feel that's ralph about you're going to be treated the forty three minutes of it but over the constitutional powers of the president united states john cameron first anniversary law center is with us now is gordon guidance can you offer an understanding as art assume you're a supreme court justice and the basic issue you have to decide for the break in of mr ellsberg's psychiatrist office justified when europe power residing in the president to waive the fourth amendment rights the more we protect your home in your office against unauthorized intrusions yesterday there was a question about how the day she will see and involving all all of his concern is whether or not the constitution authorizes the president said that the first question is does the power exists and will hear some talk about the steel seizure jason it's about powers of the president are quite limited to talk about the new york times' case with the president about how to get the

first man was limited then the question arises is it exists whether its precondition machinery three which are gone over very heavily in the testament first of all there must be some special authorization by the president and here we have a president one a twenty second said i have no time through a break secondly the matter must involve national security and a question here is who decides whether national security is at stake is not the president alone from a good judgment be reviewed by the courts the third issue is even if it is this how can be directed against innocent third parties we're not themselves a source of concern for national security has placed a psychologist and finally in power exists what are its limitations does that extend as far as robbery murder back to be discussed but then you'll see the argument for yourself you are in a basically between mr wilson suburban you can make your own decision john cramer will be back at the closer to live broadcast to talk about this and other subjects so concerning today's hearing session you'll be joined at that time around bar longtime washington

mr lee one of the few evenings are replaying ends before midnight here as i might a summary of the day's quality in the first hour chairman of the non lawyer john wilson i do about presidential powers wilson suggesting that the president holds a reservoir constitutional power is not going to find in cologne there's an instance of domestic resistance training and then the second hour he says he never discussed an incentive for the watergate seven because the president's marching orders were that there would be no clemency and he argues in earlier testimony saying he did not propose the destruction sensitive documents from sites that were given their wealth every play is really had no thought in any previous marriages the fbi investigation the pentagon papers saying about this report from j edgar hoover to people was nothing that said senator is not the end of a

second tier now i am davis eyes i can see is a

twenty five yes he was i would not rely on what i thought of them as a source of how it's a it's a recognition of the possibility of a source of power i want it the mistake security in today's

case you're only a guest it is nineteen forty seven seconds seven the decision is a tremendous issue with that

douglas davis i don't know why good morning but there is a certain one sixth of that is probably centuries ago in nineteen sixty eight is a question

which recognizes in the state's finances anticipating that event twenty one years ago a disability and katie davis and they might apply in that case does it is

the defense and then they'll be fine today is that day and in those cases because there is a reservoir recognize up by your measure by bike packed up in the

key decision makers the chairman of the judiciary committee reporting it wasn't made by any laws what is it mississippi's legislation about it is there any security on the cia headquarters in chicago

illustrated buying spree of oil the supreme court said leona helmsley the massive security purposes he was wire tapping of a

domestic security cases as you out of that was a lot about the status of this is just the civil war and that yet he doesn't believe his area though i must say they are facing invasion the second item on the job ah and you know say his widow reasonable maybe don't you know i was that was that the hallways at why sicily you know the rest

of the army and probably the warrior as unisex the hands the city away he did not have a one one us and he didn't have a lot of the search and so there is something in the idea of sectors and seizures but coming to renovate the iranians they came up in this ad he's explaining everything that i don't remember every even before you had this very political thing although the president

in the fall in the second i was as a saucer now you know it says that was a mistake and i am not that chairman is that way as i do not have any case where a sauce of a can now add a drop on the line well as a reporter whether that not a lot of the supreme court will do just as well as now on the language of the old as a sauce how at it as a source of power as the report says years back and we began in the united states as one of the two section one of the constitution

that the constitution of the united states as well it was in the nineteen eighties very gently there's raisins the domestic security in nineteen eighty four as thomas

b it's still around now as that are saying that are in certain diseases mentioned the area the president's wiretapping law they do yeah it is

false now the median one at this question of a use of the reservoir a possible reservoir the polls in the rest of it to find out as they decide that question one reason is that

there is this massive oil patch in nineteen sixty eight and indignation that that existed in a reservoir of how the time goes up well i say oh miss my love letters of the president to a crime to a tiny nation against foreign governments have a now i know i'm i'm open to the fact that he shoots somebody on the street

that's right mr mueller yes as a formal invasion apprentices a question was on her and less and workplaces like that you're wrong and now this investigation wiretapping is another kind of invasion of the virus they don't have a sense of the man whose conversation is being so low lee they're saying

that it is the position you realize what they're saying is that in and there's another reason is not getting from an inmate through his job losses and you know by the sort of line that is that is right

national security that's right the scientists national security information they settled the case and say that that's right this is

say it again he's white justice i do very extreme places that many cars as bess

yeah oh yeah and there's an so those cases the united states against terrorism cases and they use in february nineteen seventy one sales requests for one thing

i mean in your interpretation of the case of humans versus humans because people in this was vacant positions long maintained up all the original mission patients victims right legislation the securities law

this is the problem you know you're welcome what about it so the americans

believe that i don't think that i think both well no we will it was atlanta

and he's it is now you know all right all right it was

because of you they don't have it and you about a lot of inflation there's an argument that the nation will and the video mike welcome and he thought

they don't do you know welcome i don't know i think there's a part of the population you're welcome juan williams

you hear that you get the idea to my friends and i want to suggest to israel when you do it in the state like your spirit to begin with the chairman is on the pointing out that he's just a country lawyer your letters to say he graduated from harvard law school went on at area it is the

plan he's very young lawyer argued before the us supreme court his first time during very eloquently persuasively that you just a sad young man that's not all the pope raisins committee that both of you have identified a basic and fundamental element that is the court has not on their version of an election year there's no doubt that there is a lot of power this time mr this

committee sets by reason why now is there is no way the authority of a congressional committee that this investigation was necessary the current situation and now three generations that don't hear the answer you know recent years there is here and now not necessarily and the national

security structure thank you senior center and they were able to protect him insecurities of the determination of foreign intelligence activity we have a father's construction to reconcile those very very explicit in the right went to see if we can

and that we can't reconcile and then we resort to the most important and determine what the otter design construction firm in legislative history only a short sale then it's estimated we have a factual question it is entirely possible to construct an attractively the president does or does not this reservoir and two years ago we really then at against a range of national security

and going to prison yes very or a reason to believe ali khamenei or what the president's executive he believed that a secure communication system for four hours about the national league a pre emptive nuclear strike powell situation the situation the very important themes during the situation might look different holler

at the radio station is today oh yeah if we knew where it is the occasional situations since this committee and there is an issue that is

one of asia's what basis was there that there was a quorum you know what what is a reasonable basis believe in international security promises tone of what brand i do i don't know i don't want you and i don't think

that you know i'm in law and we're in the description of the law things like i am yeah i'm at his elbows and his knees just as our discusses a thing of a time he's given up while i mean it i think the

mistake that security and national security is a misleading weren't so because that is your name i know but he recognizes that i'll be that is because of the polls i think you're saying it was necessary to protect the nation so i'm doing that

exercise of his reservoir by foreign intelligence case allow that raises this question which is which is different now there is now this isolation it's ok the genesis of this is a mess well certainly

finding nemo i was like ok great it is a satisfying experience surveillance that sense nothing in the legislation say don't

understand about president to act in this area and the final seconds military says that may be deemed a filibuster as a very nature of the nation become artificial limb international relations and internal security guards stay as gemma may i have a lawyer i was testifying last time and one of a spanish voyager's latest they say was testified against him and he's thawed out by saying i'm just an angler when he said that i said well i'm going to raise money

and send a lay said well mr wilson i've seen you assholes space of life and i don't think the violence like this is big same law will probably be justified yesterday the president has the talk again i don't think i'd have very much to the much more of the discussion this morning i was referring to this body

of law that has been discussed in this more us is indifferent now and matters involving night security president of forgery well again you're getting me into that area obviously is subject to the experts and as mr wilson pointed out this morning the question of degree here and be carried through and reasonable lang so i'm i'm not prepared answer word that line episodes obviously judicial question you don't think i don't know where the line is you sir de tray

the investigation previously that should also include to ascertain the contents of these files there's nothing in there about the means to be pursued and my testimony was and continues to be my assumption was that there could be done by completely conventional investigatory line covert operation beyond taken to examine all of the medical while it's still held by gilbert is that how do you think you've examined medical file well this occurred in a sense because i don't ask this question before that the one way that it could be done this through false pretenses dozens of

another someone who now i'm not a korean investigative senator and and what i know from my own experience is that people who are korean investigators as i mentioned yesterday insurance adjusters people of that time i have over the years brought to attorneys information of this time which they had been given an assignment that day and simply was not in public as det they think that you owe and you're sure the covert operations beyond taken to examine all of the medical possibility of bio of bird psychoanalyst

welcome sir and that is i was lucky do you have anyone go out and be fighting white house as a white house that's unique and i think that was some now you write that the orion who were right again and you don't know exactly where that followed be limited you don't think you could include murder of a crafty on puerto ricans are ways to check on tv well it is right now i think very definitely you are senator

you lose thirty the famous finds law came from england and also is well known in this country know my homeland is a big new king of england can enter without its attention it's been now us arises in the name of national security ugly we believe that we have a serious national security problem at that time is what relationship about the field in national security well the cia has perfected the technique as i understand it again and that's that's what was in which they

foreign a foreign official someone who is the object of their investigation for the device out what they call a psychiatric two people and especially in history and experience would use these profiles that they felt strongly that in this case where there were so many unknowns we don't know whether we're dealing here with the us iran or just the individual who are whether we were dealing with aig serious and penetration the nation's military knows secrets in such an uncertain situation this time it not positively but might get some important additional ingredients with which would help understand the dimensions of the bow you know i

can't forget that i mean there was no doubt about the psychiatry is know what i can't second guess i guess second guess the investigation experts who had used this technique and as i say they think the cia maintains the staff and they do this thing on a regular basis and it is used in our government now those include testimony before the committee that bbc's position is that they have not ever used it before in a case of espionage involving united states says i don't know this or not but in any event the people involved there were very concerned about what they were dealing with and they felt that he didn't think the building was is security risk to the country of course the being identity of the individual there had nothing to do about

the cia had prepared a psychiatric helpful and it was not how and when mr young and went back to the cia and said this is not helpful is that we don't have enough raw material to go you're going to have to get us some are factual information out and so this was then an expansion the original covert investigation of this individual and his co conspirators and his pattern of how we got these documents and so on to include the assemblage of such other information that might be helpful to the cia in finishing this psychiatric let me give you some of the situation and see how you would compare for someone to movies they had rented the box in one of the blanks here and watch an ad would change but the documents and that law calls involving a nice if you think

that if you live far did rabobank go in and take those documents i had any idea what the extent such a power would be don't you think it's not a medical records in one instance not getting a vision documents and by my guest with you i don't think anybody right all right any interrogation

the chapel was the usual regardless of what feelings and emotions of the audience may be those committees and he didn't find as thing fiat them on the show i'm in pain to go around trying to find out what if our revenue united states is breaking and on the work conditions and well i guess lately isn't it really it makes it in a week during the trial

the objectivity and even handedness with which we try to take our joint with the chairman and chairman of making that observation i very much hope that the gas and this may present today a future guest committee will scrupulously at the mission here public television's coverage of the senate hearings were continue after a brief pause frustration over the vacation on a great coverage of these hearings is provided as a public service of the member stations of pbs for public broadcasting service fb to pay to

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senate select committee on presidential campaign activities here again correspondent robert mcneil senator john mccain's inquiring about the authorization if you have bought the lack of profiles them unlocks a bank in washington you wouldn't authorize the end ms jarrett i wonder if we could perhaps escalate this to the level of seriousness of that was viewed in the government at the time that this was not simply and in an effort to pick up cause this was an effort to crack what was at that moment the largest rain on top secret documents that had ever been made that made history the star i think the one that i

suggest the magnitude of the crow magnitude might be this kind of a situation i suppose that you know it in a safe deposit box there was either a device or the conclusive information about some attack that was going to be made in a nuclear attack that was going to be made the next step now does the power of an extent getting into that safe deposit boxes or do we say a man fall is his castle is a composite is his castle and solar power if you think that you know the documents were doing i think that there might be over or someone who without really matter would have a permanent david president has mediated that he has set up oh

man i happened at the stake in that as the seriousness of the problem is presented i think you're exactly right in your suggestion and you couldn't lose the cooperation of individuals to avoid paying the cracking of the bank or the cracking of the doctor's office and my reaction when i first heard about these was this because that certainly wasn't in my family but there was not a b rating in an area near my competition from that from the beginning was that this could be done without adding a lot of that again annan expressed her sales are now at least not to my knowledge i don't think the rest of the night and the irony is that at no i've heard testimony hear it and i would not be totally responsive to your question however

if i did not at one thing i mean one important ally how i sat in a meeting where the president gave mr crowe is for his instructions i must say that the president would have to master go very slow that he wanted to mr coburn and the people in this human to take such steps as were necessary and i can recall in that conversation specific weapons to the use of progress and summary procedure for the discharge of federal employees who might have been involved in this episode my memory presents the line to europe taken from the congressional record may twenty third nineteen seventy three as president

i assume responsibility for such that despite that law it can be i think it's important in that same connection however to lead the previous two paragraphs which say at about the time the unit was created daniel ellsberg was identified as the person who had given the pentagon papers to the new york times i told mr crow this is the mississippi as a matter of course are our unit should find out all the good about mr ellsberg associates and his motives because of the stream gravity of the situation and not then know what additional national secrets mr ellsberg might disclose i didn't impress upon us to grow their vital importance to the national security it is a sign i did not authorize many illegal means to

be used to achieve this goal however because of the emphasis put on the crucial importance of protecting the national security i can understand how highly motivated individuals would have felt justified engaging in specific activities and i would disapprove of a bit about my attention that refers to this july twenty four conversation between the president in that i think that is a fair characterization of emergency which the president expressed a mystical and undoubtedly it recognized israel situation might well boeing and he had been charged with taking extraordinary measures to meet with the president was right and very graphic terms of also at the same time the strategic arms limitation fried negotiation documents and income is so that the president by the twenty fourteen so i knew

that is negotiating position in the strategic arms limitation treaty negotiations or no to the russians and that and literally the negotiations have been discussed with mr brolin director says the disadvantage in which he found himself now in trying to combat this country's foreign policy and work out those arms limitation having had the secrets this point mr wittman isn't that if i assume in here is greg but again it is needed to fight so i did not ever authorize a wiretap or any other extraordinary measures

on my own space when i answered <unk> yesterday about whether i had authorized such incident in no case was out on my own stories inevitably in every case in which i transmitted an authorization to the attorney general it was after referrals are the president and his group was the field and brakemen isaiah said yesterday center on over two days but it was on vinyl every week september nineteen forty one in any event nineteen seventy one years now one was in the new york times is dry and authorize the publication of those papers in the new york times i don't think i have to it was june nineteen hundred and seventy

one i don't have the data decision about i can't disagree with that if i break in the day after i think two things happened one investigation was not prevented newspapers from publishing the pentagon papers because that was of course an accomplished fact the investigation here was to find out who had stolen top secret documents and disseminating them in the newspapers at that time star reason to believe that the documents delivered at the soviet embassy were not the same documents as work but in the new york times i think you know senator that there was that there was a disparity there was a difference between what was printed in some of the newspapers and one and what was for instance that delivered to the fans of the other and there were actually about three different versions of these documents are in existence

and by versions i mean different different documents in different sets fire and so it was entirely reasonable that billy that the soviet embassy had received more sensitive documents and those that have been printed in the new york times but the main point here is that the investigation was not to stop publication newsweek investigation here was to determine how so many top secret documents that get out of the federal government standard is at the end of the hands of a foreign power so men for the sake of argument to an erect don't believe the premise which i did all i could conceivably get on november eight but it conceivably get on it now i understand as i said before investigative technique year of the psychiatric profile require information just as the

determination of who the co conspirators were require various kinds of information now you might go to a service station that didn't get information about vous mr ellsberg friends were that doesn't mean necessarily that this service station attendant was a co conspirator one and certainly there's no suggestion here that the psychologist was in any way a co conspirator was the holder of what they considered to be important investigation information science day well i think that yesterday the situation was a unique one in which the director simply refused to permit is topical biden particularly to conduct interviews osama mr ellsberg's and it was a it was a situation where the case was not being treated as a

primary place by that go and enlist the cocaine doesn't said i can't move beyond the us with the kind of cooperation that this case deserves united fan but the united states and helpless and trying to get cooperation of fbi i'm saying that the attorney general reported that the present an extremely difficult situation with a director which he felt could lead to the resignation of some of the top people in the beer that while the attorney general felt that he could reverse the director's decision with regard to the suspension he did not think that he could force in america celebration and i'm making any way shape five billion that's one

rule was ending anyway saul on communism and i've heard clearly was not that at the same time it appears that dr oz was a very close friend of europe's and i think everyone will know the director new of his loyalty to his close friends as chairman mike graham isn't my unit has taken his three friends are mr robinson's word on this i would like to clarify the rocket yesterday just a bit as i understand it you testified in response to questions from us that that the justice department will be taken and compete is the head of the information about the old rate than a year ago

for instance anyway because of course this is a very serious allegations or just use the chief of the criminal division he has made an affidavit under soviet but understand this is a fallen elder caged in a city of mosul and i would like to salute the affidavit at this point and they recognized him what else yu says a little information no information

and nineties into the office of daniel ellsberg's psychiatrist until april sixteenth nineteen seventy three the allegation contained in a moment we'll also submitted to mate information as you can and in the case of the united states before in about nineteen seventy to see a request made by the prosecutor stansell and

information the changes the significance of the date security division march twenty six nineteen seventy three and it's not that become apparent to look at what made the cia material in the region on about may third nineteen seventy three years russo as a result of the disclosure of the memorandum of april sixteen nineteen seventy three and me mr david which is how he came to have knowledge of religion is good suggestion that force was not until the

vision here senator i certainly have brought you only hear said i did it not for the purpose of the truth of that of the state and i did it in response to a question about what i thought at the time about who knew about this now with the affidavit doesn't say that you all might be able to determine is whether or not mr bean was correcting what he told me about what those pictures you because he told me that one of the pictures was a picture of the gordon liddy standing in front of the building's main body and that the other pictures were pictures all up ransacked premises now if in fact the affidavits collected and they got these things in the justice department back in october nineteen seventy two which would have been some time ago i would be standing in the

foreground i know that my tests more dignity a promise for beings statement that made them than just thinking about the poem again i i hesitate to say over those years that i don't love for the truth the witness that means only about as i guess at that that you what i thought of my introduction of the other day that was in the way to beat your chest in charlotte mr peterson as an entirely different viewpoint is which i think is important from his point of view as well is the justice department also raises an interesting point to about how it's being could have found that a year ago if the justice department settlement to the information until october before

one of the important piece of testimony that we have mostly in these involve this whole matter whether the president ever authorize that anybody can offer executive clemency to any of the defendants news i'm sure this has cost mr chew had meetings were jumping on january third nineteen seventy three or four and gender if i would you tell a primitive walker each subject of those meetings were beginning with the law on january third i met

places to be once alone at noon and once at seven pm when the polls the meeting with mr golson related to a letter which has been had told me about that our earlier briefly and this was a letter which i believe mr golson had received from it was a very melancholy passionate and where i think the letters and writers matter fact that it talks about as being abandoned by his friend and so on and there it was on the heels of mr about having lost his wife mr colson was genuinely

concerned and shaken by this he had a long friendship with the hunts both mr mestas and he had proposed that we get together with friends or with us attorneys to register is continuing friendship and his and his compassion for hunts loss of his wife and so on and the settlement would not really been abandoned by a friend this is the thing that we discussed it with vegetables that evening at seven o'clock i took it as a as almost a given in the meeting that there would be some time and to the polls and it was simply a question of what we would be under the circumstances

they obviously delicate to have a white house contact one of the defendant's right at this particular point in time so was discussed and it was discussed in terms not of a personal meeting between them which is what lester hunt apparently one of them in the letter but mr golson talking with who was then on to turn an unvarying this message of support mr dean raised the cautionary warnings that if anybody from the white house and the situation like that there was an inevitable opportunities for misunderstanding as to the purpose of the meeting as differences that might or might not be given some clancy was

obviously the forefront of everybody's mind in this meeting as one of the things which was a potential danger and advice people at the meeting between the minister calls a previous conversation that i had had with the president on that subject and indicated that was back in july was yes sir indicated to them that the substance of that conversation which was that the president wanted no one in the white house too get into this whole area of clemency with anybody involved in this case and shirley not make any assurances that it was goals and said that he was sure that he could avoid that pitfall and having to have a conversation he was advised by describing to either take notes or makeshift metal most of the conversation that he can reconstruct the conversation with it the question never came up and that is

what polls do it we had a subsequent meeting where and before we go to most of the time would you be a little more explicit in your testimony is to follow the discussion and rose about executive clemency who brought it up and who said that the gender of that meeting i can say who brought about senator we were going over the the pope mental problems that would come from that because i'm having a time that either witnessed their majorities of turning it had been his firm practice not to have any contacts because the implication there because frankly everybody knew they were closed but they had been close friends and a lot of suspicion that somehow mr golson might be implicated in the watergate because he was a close friend of his treatments mr golson really over backwards do everything he could to avoid getting any credence or credibility to the suspension so

when we get into the debate and i think it was johnny you're very common reaction whether you're willing to do in the future and it was in a row what kinds of problems are you live within five and you better be ready for this and i look out and what's what's responsibility i think both being i had some mental reservations about the desirability of this but mr golson have a very strong up friendship or sadistic and here was this is really moving letter a and he was saying i just can't leave his fellow without hearing from now how we go

about our meeting on giant generated for the next subject so now that included attorney general findings and it had nothing to do and i don't think it was ever meant to i see a meeting to unlock the word forthwith the pros did you discuss watergate in any fashion i don't recall senator that would have been my first meeting with the president after i came back from about two week absence i guess it is about an hour that obama's policy of the president mr polman then there came in about forty five minutes of that meeting and i

believe that was a catch up sanctions on libya long absence and i just don't have any recollection specific fox oh well i do but they're they're not in my custody and so like and also ann and suck up at the contents and then from somewhere crying and regurgitate it say it is a laborious process because we as you know are not in a position to make any notes or or being easily the most of the meals and all i can all i have fb fb