Casting the First Stone

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You You You You You I've conducted a check of the clinic, and everything is clear for now. Time for sir. Everyone listen very carefully to me. The pro-death people are inside the facility. They might try and break through one of these three doors. You've got to be prepared to do what you told, the moment you told, whether it's lock arms, whatever it is you've got to be prepared to do it immediately. I feel, well, I'm thankful that we're all here. Are you glad we're here? Amen. Glory to God.

I don't think it's peaceful blockading people from receiving medical care. I don't believe that is peaceful. We feel the same about our civil rights march. We have always said people are entitled to freedom of speech. They are not entitled to harass, to intimidate, and torment women. People are here all the same way up for bigotry. They're standing up for bigotry. Who are you to kill children? The reason we're doing this is to have an active repentance before God because we've let this go on for so long and to help stimulate an upheaval, a peaceful righteous upheaval that ultimately brings enough tension to produce political change. Man, I'm Stephen Dintino, the police department of Chester County of Pennsylvania. You must leave this area immediately. Or you will be arrested. Man, my recipe for criminal trust has to stand up in this place.

I think the most infuriating thing is to realize how this affects the patients. The patients who scheduled to come here today who are already in difficult personal situations, how it affects the staff, who really put themselves on the line every day to come here to the clinic to work to serve the women who come here. Let the children laugh. Am I really so different from anybody else? I'm going different than other people at this point. What were you feeling different? This shouldn't have happened. What does shouldn't have happened? Shouldn't have gotten pregnant when I wasn't supposed to.

What should you have done? I don't know when I got pregnant. Tell me a little about your relationship with him. I've been seeing him for the past five years and he is the father of my second daughter. He's actually married. He keeps saying that just a couple more months or something that he's going to leave and he doesn't. I don't understand if he had left or maybe a couple of months ago. This would be okay. But no, it's not okay. Help me understand that a little bit. I just feel that they're going to rip it apart and that's going to hurt. That hurts me because I don't want to do that. It's like killing my child because I know having had a child with him before I already see a final product. I see.

Joan, I don't know if you want to get into this now, but I wanted to kind of relate to you. My feelings got something you said last week when you called and suggested. He told me you were praying for my conversion to Christ. I was really offended by it. I thought it was a real black respect for me and my personal choice and the religion I've chosen for myself. I still will pray for you even though it offended you. But if you had Jesus as your Savior and God, you would not be the administrator of an abortion clinic. My impression of Jesus from what I have heard and read is incredibly loving and caring person. That's right, exactly. And didn't judge people. Is it caring and respectful to come to a woman at this clinic saying don't go in there and kill your baby. They shred baby's parts. And you will never have babies again. Is that a caring thing to say?

Do you believe this child, a 10 weeks, is a living human being breathing? A 10 weeks in utero if fetus can't live in breathe. I guess I'm more worried not so much about the soul, but rather the pain. Does it feel anything? Well, you know, that's a good question. And it's one that we certainly look into because I would have a hard time working here if I thought that that were true. In terms of pain development, it appears that that happens much later. Now, the protesters say something different. And I have to look at what the information is that's coming along to us. And the people I trust now medically are saying that they don't think that there's any pain involved in fetus in a first or probably even in a second trimester abortion. Telling the portionists don't acknowledge that might begin the conception. They just put a value on it. It's whether it's a person or not. When does person have conception? At conception.

That is a unique person that has begun at conception. And it has soul and it has all the elements that I have. So you would like to weigh the life of a 16-year-old teenager against the life of a two-week fetus. A person's value does not hinge on the value that another person places on him. It's an absolute. How can you say, like, if I decide that you're not valuable to me, you're expendable. That's not the ethic upon which we live. You are valuable to me. You are valuable because you are created in the image and life is of God. And you are on your own. It's valuable. And that's how we feel about these children. There's all the people out there that are protesting abortion. I mean, what answers are they offering? Are they offering any or they're just saying, don't do it. And for us to them, I think that some of them were willing to take young women until the baby is born. Some of them will help with that process of placing a baby for adoption. But as far as long term help is concerned, I don't think that there is any really. There's welfare.

You know, we might be able to get you some financial help for a short term. But it would be that. It would be short term. You're right. You don't live in a perfect world. So if people get pregnant when they don't want to, people live in all sorts of situations in which they're forced into sex when they don't want to have sex. We have teenagers living in the society where they don't use birth control and they're sexually active. We live in a society in which women don't have food to put on the table for their children or living on the streets now with their kids. Let's take care of those social evils. And then maybe we won't need abortion the way we need it today. You're saying is poverty killed babies. Ten weeks, it don't mean anything. And I would say it's not just the issue of the baby. I want the right for a woman of any means to make the decision. She is the daughter of the baby. But she could close her legs anytime. She can decide. She can decide. Yeah, women can very easily not have sex here. You're absolutely right. She is right. She can have sex here. She is right. She can have sex here. Yeah, I'm dying. She's dying. Those are his famous last words. When he gets hungry, he's always dying.

You know? You remember when I said like how good an evil and the human and the spiritual phases are? Don't they look good? Yeah. Pretty good. I think that we're coming from such different directions that we're really not even communicating with one another. I can see where they're coming from. But do they see where I'm coming from? Can they understand? I don't believe in this. How do you say what the word I'm looking for? A feminist movement to me, not from the old school, from an ethnic background. A man should be a man, a woman should be a woman. Period, amen. Okay, look out. That's too much. Do you think John goes to Bond and her work? I don't believe in getting arrested. I couldn't get arrested on July the 5th at the pay-only clinic because I was obeying my husband's wishes.

Four days later, I disobeyed Ben and got arrested in Cherry Hill. After 16 years of writing to congressmen, you know what I've done through those. And nothing happening. When operation rescue came into being, that's when things started to happen. There was a tension that's put on to society. It's just the same as with the civil rights movement. If you're doing all that and the babies are still getting killed, what are you going to do now? When the police say you move, you move. And does it bother you when she doesn't listen to you? Does it bother me for what? When she doesn't listen to you, when she doesn't obey. Well, I won't use the word obey, but when she doesn't listen, yes, that's bothering me. He hurt me when he paid my fine. I was willing to go to jail.

I would have gone to jail. You paid her fine? He paid my fine without my knowledge. And that hurt. Right, Ben? Talk about that. I have another money. 155 bucks. See, and you could have saved 155 bucks. I could have been here. And I would have only been in jail for what? Three days, four days. He doesn't care much to discuss things when it's... Oh. I'm not easy to live with. I'm not easy to live with. You can tell me. I'm willing to serve you, but I can't. Hi, Johnny. I'm a shallie. Okay. Don't be helpful to know your first name, so you know who we can call you. Thank you. You read this and give your mom a chance to read it overall. It's a consent form. Don't sign it yet, but it'll be a counselor with you shortly. The council will probably want to see Jen by herself first.

The clinic opened in 1973, shortly after the Roe vs. Wade Supreme Court decision. The vision of the clinic just about from the beginning, I would say, has been to be a feminist clinic. We're not there to encourage women to have abortions, but to let them know that they have choices in their life, that they have self-determination. My issue with the protest has to do with how they treat people. It seems like it's so much waste in time. When you talk with them, you don't feel like they're really listening. They're ready to jump right in. On my way into the clinic, one of the protestors stopped me up front and she said, can I talk to you for a minute? I said, okay, there's a reservation. And she said, I just want to know, do you call yourself a self-professed Christian? And I said, no, I call myself a self-professed Jew. And she just took three steps back and looked at me like I was an alien. It just walked away.

And I kind of smiled to myself and said, hey! I guess because I'm a Christian, it's difficult to just discount everything that they have to say. And even though I don't want to be a born-again Christian and I don't want to be anti-choice or anti-abortion, some of the things that they say really get to me. I long to know too when a fetus receives a soul that would make things maybe easier for me. I don't know, maybe in the long run it would make it more difficult. If you kids want to come help me set the table, then you better put the ice in the glasses, okay? And Becca, how about you take the napkins, okay? Maybe we should do our, be thankful. I'd be thankful for anybody who could cut the defense budget and make sure that you kids have a safe world to grow up in. It's interesting how we place a value on a mass of cells that we call a fetus when we don't place the same kind of value on human life at other stages. The protesters often get me and say, how can you be a Christian and how could you be married to a minister and still work in an abortion clinic?

And you know, Jesus always was there where the hardest decisions in life were being made in a non-judgmental kind of way. And when they stand there and grab the clients and pretend that they know what's good for them, I think that Jesus probably were he there would say any of those of you who are without sin cast the first stone. And you know, they can't take that kind of Christianity away from me. I will work in an abortion clinic like you, Caroline, because I think that it be who's a Christian to be in the places where the hard decisions of life are being made. We're suffering, yes. Yeah, right? If you need help, it's not too late to change your mind. We can get you free medical care, free housing, anything you need. There's time before the abortionist gets here, think about it. You want to change your mind, come out here and let us help you.

How far along are you? Eight weeks. Okay, by this time your baby has brainwaves and a beating heart. Many physicians feel that at this stage of the pregnancy, the baby does feel pain. I remember when I heard it was telling me that the baby would be shredded apart. And I just couldn't see my baby being shredded apart like they are part of me. You know, and I was like, no, I can't go through this. And I don't see how other people can go through that neither. Yeah, that's how we feel. You know, we feel that if they knew what was going on, it just wouldn't be a choice. Yeah, when you show me the little pamphlet with the baby. Yes, that's what they did. That's what they did. Oh, you can't see. Yeah, she got it. It's too much. I go once a week to the abortion clinic to do sidewall counseling. I approach the girls and ask them if they would like to look at the alternatives.

I even tell them that we will give them housing and we'll be there for them. I'm ready to play. They offer me a lot of help. I need a babysitter, you know, send me places where I could go. And if I need these things like fruits or anything, they'll really do. Yeah, you know, I wasn't alone. Yeah, glad to see you're getting your education too. Yeah, real proud of you. That's really, that's really it. He said, hey, everybody move here. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. I like the best way you saw in the education. America, America, America. Come out of yourself and you're sitting on God's property. God bless you. The first national operation rescue was held last November in Sherry Hill, New Jersey. Since then, the numbers of national and local demonstrations like this one have increased.

The future advocates insist these demonstrations do not change people's minds. It makes people feel that abortion is very much under siege and the response that we get from choice supportors is to become increasingly committed to the issue as a result. The clinic plans to resume full operation tomorrow. The needs change, travel sex action, and pale. And so this has been a hectic day in the abortion battle in the Delaware Valley. It's fair to say we had good reason to believe we were going to be hit on Tuesday. And I felt that our clinic was really, really well prepared. I was thrilled with our staff's reaction and response. We all slept better Tuesday night and we'd probably slept for a week. I'm very happy it's over. There, there is no doubt about that. I don't want us to spend a lot of time over reacting to these people. Because I think that the press that they generated they don't deserve. They don't deserve. If that's as many people they can get for national demonstration, that's nothing. That's nothing.

It was easy for all of us to do what we did because we know we're committed to what we're doing. And we're right. What do you want to do for our girls? Math. Math? History. Math. We'll do math. Two against one. Two on and just wait. Just wait until I get the girls settle. Okay. Jessica. You have, home schooling has a lot to do with an attitude toward children. I want to teach them Christian values. So when they are challenged they will be strong enough to resist. Three. Fourteen. That's good. We have the physical world. You know, we have, you know, mathematics, physical sciences. But we also have the spiritual world. And there is a God. And he's very important. He was very, very important in shaping our nation and our history. And that's totally ignored in public school textbooks.

How God and even like in general religion influenced who we are today. And that's how you do the equation. Sixteen times four. Plus six minus eight divided by two. Right. We have to shift from pricing things and accomplishments, career accomplishments, to valuing the relationships that we have with one another. And, you know, I'm poor, you know, take a look around. You know, I'm not very wealthy and worldly standards. But I consider myself rich because I have, I have my children who I love. And I have my husband, whom I love. And I have close friends, whom I love. Yeah. The cartwheel. You're better off doing it on the harder stand, I think, now. Hey.

I grew up in the 60s and early 70s and feel I was very much influenced by those times. I don't want my children necessarily think the way I think. I want them to understand my own value system where I come from. And ultimately be able to figure out what's right for them. I would like my daughters as they grow up to be able to be economically independent people. And that must be very threatening for some people who are very traditional in their role of who a woman is and what a mother is. And I think it has to do again with choices and options. And that may have to do with the timing of pregnancies, and when we choose to get married, when we choose to have children, if we choose to have children, if we choose to get married. No, it really fends me like with the feminists that somebody, for one, presumes to speak for me as a woman. You know, these are women's rights activists. You know, I talk to people about what my wife does that she works at home.

Yes, she works at home. And they can't see how you do all the reading you do, the homeschooling. You get myself into trouble. And yet you come home, you make me dinner, you get up in the morning, and you have coffee made for me. I am just totally blessed by that. But right now we're sacrificing a good bit just so that we can stay current with our values. Because the two income families is economically the norm. To me, the most important thing is that, like, through the children, I have the ability to affect what happens in the future. You know, like when we're dead, that, like our chapter in history is over. Pat and Debbie Baker, nobody will know us, say, two generations from now, but they'll know our descendants. Yeah. That's very, very powerful. All right.

We're ready, Pat. Hi, we're David and Julie. And good evening, everyone. And welcome again to Voices for the Unborn. My name is Father Rones Labojin. I have a big decision in me in November. And to help you to be informed concerning your decision right now, I just want to begin the show by playing a part of a talk that Vice President George Bush gave on July 22nd in Washington to the National Right to Life Committee. And let him, let him speak to you exactly right now where he is at on the sanctity of life. Hear it now directly as we have programmed his speech concerning his position. I believe that abortion is wrong. I believe that we should work for a constitutional amendment to overturn Roe vs. Wade. That states should have the right to prohibit abortions that federal funds should not be used to finance abortion. I believe we need a human rights amendment. Okay, five beautiful points. It is just a matter of time before the Roe v. Wade abortion on demand decision will be overturned. Because it needs supreme court.

That's correct. The person who is going to be in the presidency who will be have the power to appoint the next justices to the Supreme Court. Readjustices, I think, right now 80 years old. That's correct. Waiting to step down. There is a moral agenda that has to be addressed in this country. And I think that is the issue of this presidential election. It is the issue that has to concern all of us. That's what's got to be with you. Thanks for being a voice. Thank you very much. Hi, Mrs. Safsick. My name is Frances Shien. I'm calling from Karen Ritter's campaign for re-election to the State House of Representatives. Can we count on you to vote for Karen on Tuesday? You haven't quite decided. Well, I hope you really look carefully at her record. Thanks so much. It's so unfortunate that so many people are not taking this election seriously because it's going to change some people's lives. The whole drive to illegalized abortion is intricately connected to women being active players in the public sphere. And that, you know, their concept of family values is different because to them a family

is a woman in the home. The man is outside working. The kids are in school. They're certainly not in J. Care. And they're- You're not getting sex education in our center. That's for sure, which means they'll probably be pregnant soon. But anyway, I think what's really unfortunate is that if abortion were to be illegalized, it is true that women's ability to compete in the public sphere or participate actively in make decent incomes is going to be constrained. And they know that. This is the city of Sydney. The Bush Krayo National Tech, it was heavily favored in the pre-election vote. I'm going to drive up the focus tonight on you and how you felt when you went to the polls and what the results were. Put the focus on that. This election turns on change. And then you're what? What do you know? Wash. Wash. Well, that's what it's worth. I based my whole life on faith. I lost my own mother when I was two and a half years old. And I was raised by very good nuns,

Roman Catholic nuns. What my church teaches is so great that it's even beyond my understanding and that if I obey it, even while at the present time, I may not understand it. With time, I do. I do understand now their reasoning for birth control, especially when I see what has come into the world through technology. Then I really understand the evil of contraception and how it really even destroys the unity between a husband and a wife. Because it causes then the woman to become nothing more than a sex object. In my day and age, the church gave us the rhythm method. Now, that didn't work. I had six children and I have proof that it didn't work. You know, you can't say that the act itself is not pleasurable. And God did not mean it to be non pleasurable

because He made it pleasurable. But He just did not want you to use it for pleasure. When I was growing up, it was you dated, then you went steady. Then you got engaged and you got married. But now there is date. And then you got divorced. That's what happened to me. Then I got divorced. I matter of fact, I met my husband. My first husband when I was 14. So that gives you the danger. I developed a six week teen chastity program as an alternative to plan parenthood sex education. Instead of the condom and the diaphragm, I advocate abstinence for teens. The abortion is brought about because of a value system, because of a world view, not because of lack of women not being able to get hold of a condom. What's with the birth control, if you do become sexually active, what would happen if there's a failure? Who wants to get married here when they grow up?

Who wants, Cassie, you don't, right? I always get on my nerves, and I'm going to have my own money. If you want to go out and get a job and have your own money, that's fine. But he was the one who was meant to do it. I'm not saying that he's better than us and saying that he's the one who's supposed to hold it to house and protect us. So he'd be the one who does the economic, the working, she takes care of the children, the nurturing. So she'd be the nurture. There are so many activists who are trying to close the abortion clinics down, because the belief is that we have to draw the line. Okay. Do you have AIDS? You have a child that's going to have AIDS. I wouldn't have the child because that child would have to suffer because of you. When you're talking about the abortion, you're talking about a very violent act. It's breaking up the baby, and it's very violent. So you may look benevolent, but it's not. I do believe that women,

because of the capability of bearing children, have to make different decisions than men. Women are the first nurturers of the human race. Their body nourishes the most vulnerable part of our society, and it's an important attribute to bring it to the world at large, not to strip it away in order to compete. Oh. So do you remember because of the pictures? No, I forgot. I have to make sure that I schedule the next pregnancy so that I'm not working on a campaign at all. Every four years? Well, or every two years. Because that wasn't a good way to spend the beginning. How are you feeling now? I'm excited. Rapidly getting used to the idea. I just think we're very lucky, though, because at work, I see so many products of... And people, people who aren't ready to be parents. 16-year-old mothers in child abuse victims. They come to the emergency department,

and you do some little past job, and you send them back out again. What angers me is that at the same time that people don't want abortions to be legal. And also, very much against birth control. You know, I do think that... I mean, I think that the development of human life is a wonderful, wonderful thing. But I just can't believe that we would say, too bad, it's not okay to get an abortion if, you know, your economic circumstances simply will not support another child. Or if, you know, your somebody whose work is integral to who you are as a person. But the only real difference that women make that is really valued is having a kid. And I would be the first one to say that that is one of the most significant things you can contribute to this world is to reproduce and have another person who will live on after you. Or go on. But that is not the only way we can have an impact in the world. It's not the only way that men have an impact,

and it's not the only way women have an impact. I mean, I think it's okay for a woman in college to say, I want to finish my college education. And it's not time for me to have a kid. And I think that that is an intelligent decision. But I'm not sure that that's valued in our society. Another bit of history that we made here is the Supreme Court today when the Justice is here in the case of Webster versus Reproductive Health Services. This case is important because it could. The Supreme Court was debating whether or not to return the child killing issue back to the States. Thousands of pro-lipers across the country were preparing to risk arrest to keep children from being murdered and their mothers from being exploited in their hour of crisis. Mr. Terry, isn't it true that this is just a publicity campaign to influence a couple members of the Supreme Court? No. Americans have a lot of choices that they're privileged to make. Murder is not one of them. No one has the right to kill an innocent human being.

Now, we also have a little girl with us called Baby Choice. This child is 19-week gestation. The burn marks on her body are the scars from the assault solution. This is what choice is all about. This is why our people are risking a rest, jail, brutalization. Ask your editors to just show this little girl to the American public. That is a five-month fetus, which is far older than most fetuses at abortion. I don't know if you have a question here. Well, I'm just asking for your comments on this. God help us. Does the fact abortion being illegal affect the outcome of women having abortions? No. Never did and never will. The only thing we've done by making abortion legal in this country in 1973 is make it safe. All the rhetoric that it's killing babies hasn't raised the consciousness of women to stop from having abortions, because that's not really relevant to the woman. What's relevant?

Having a pregnancy that's unplanned and unwanted. Did you do some part of your training in an intercity hospital? Yeah. You know, we saw what is described as the old days. We did see hundreds of self-induced abortions. And we saw people with, they used to take these tablets of permanganate, which burn. They used to throw them into the joint. You'd open up the joint and see these big holes in the joint. I mean, these people would think they could get abortions by you. You'd see a big round holes with blood coming out of it, like a burn. And they'd do anything. They were desperate. I mean, yes, I did see things like catheters coming out of services. And we did take people to the emergency room. I mean, to the operating room at three o'clock in the morning and do hysterectomies. It happened. But a woman who wants to have an abortion for whatever reason will have an abortion. The Lord Jesus said, you're supposed to receive the kingdom of God, like a little child. Every time a baby is cut into portion, give me my sign. The way you have no choice. Give me my sign. It's a great sign. That's why they're taking away their portion. They're taking away the children.

They're going to the baby. Give me my sign. Give me my sign. Give me my sign. The holy God said, you should have done better. Give me my sign. And take care of the holy God said, you should do no murder. The holy God said, you should do no murder. The holy God said, you should do no murder. The holy God said, you should do no murder. The holy God said, you should do no murder. Three justices of the Supreme Court have indicated their willingness to permit the States to regulate and thereby restrict abortion from the moment of conception on. When did it become a political question as to whether women will make the most fundamental decisions about their privacy and about their personal lives? When did it become a political question as to whether poor people will have the same access to their constitutional rights as to do a fluent women? The bottom line is that this Supreme Court decision today has once again slapped poor women in the face to say that you do not have constitutional protections if your state sees fit to restrict

them and you do not have the resources to circumvent those restrictions. The Court has upheld the Webster preamble which says that human life begins a conception, so this is a wonderful opportunity for us as citizens of the United States to intervene on behalf of these children. I think the handwriting is on the wall folks, Roe is going to go down, there's no question about it and we're going to begin to introduce an avalanche of legislation to protect these children. Why don't we start people? What I'd like to do is have a discussion that would prepare us for what we are afraid the Court may do.

The first question in my mind is whether or not in Worst Case, if abortion became illegal, we might consider continuing to provide the service in some way. I think as people we can certainly put ourselves to that, I don't think we want to risk an institution in that way. Well you're really rising a civil disobedience question, yeah that's right. Look at how many of them now, our opponents are willing to go to jail, pay fines, black clinics, that's civil disobedience, and if we really believe in this then we may have to be open about it, not back alley, not like whispered down the lane but like say I will do abortions or I know and then we advertise it, we put it in papers, I mean that's the kind of civil disobedience we're talking about, and then try to arrest 50,000, 100,000, try to arrest 20,000 people in Philadelphia, what are you going to do with them, and that's a tactic that they're using successfully. How did Lana handle the jails were overburdened, that's the kind of moment of the movement that I think that we have to.

I agree with you. Who's going to be arrested for what though, are you going to be arrested for having abortion or performing abortion? That's right. And so our patients, so our providers, so our boss, if we're going to openly do abortions when it's illegal, we're asking women to become abortion rights activists when they're just making a personal, private decision. My guess is that unless we decide to go some rose, so we're going to be out of business very shortly. Yeah. Oh, if they, if they suddenly decide to do it, yeah, you're right. Yeah. Yeah. Right. How are you doing? Great. Yeah, it's good to see you again. Who wants to talk first then? Well, I think I will start some time on this end. Okay. I'm sure. I wanted to present this little model of a 10 to 11 week old pre-born baby to you. Sometimes we don't realize how precious that gift of life is. It's an interesting phenomenon to see how the court decision has kind of invigorated all the proponents of each position. Today, I understand a group in the House is going to introduce the pro-life legislation.

I am a pro-life senator. The bulk of my mail has been pro-choice, just for your information. And I'm not going to rule out being influenced by my constituents. I was here to see you this past summer and I really enjoyed our conversation and we talked about the exception clauses of rape and incest and we've had situations where women have been raped and the answer to this is to promote the birth of these children and to heal the women and to incorporate the children into our society. My guess is that the legislature will not vote for it. I can really identify with situations where women have been raped. I believe in some exceptions to. I understand. They're paying. That is there. But the basic issue is it just to take a child's life before birth because of whatever abortion is about justice. It's not about feelings. It's not even about compassion.

It's about justice. It's just to not include the child before birth into the usness of society that we wish to protect. All they want from you in there is the money. It's blood money. Money they'll make with your babies. She's talking to you now to distract you, say that you own here the truth. They're going to kill your baby in there today. You're taking two people in and you're only going to bring one out. When we have a society that points to them and say you are a bad woman, you are a bad woman, you are a murderer for going into that abortion clinic and killing your baby, what are we telling those women we say that about who they are as people and their self-worth and their dignity as a person. Often as the argument, people want to adopt those babies, stop your killings and make those babies available to women who can couples who want them. It's an option.

It's an option we raise. It's really hard for me to talk about this issue without being really personal and painfully personal because I am an infertile person. I've had to make other choices for my life and what to do about children because I love children. I've wanted children and to be able to adopt a child was extremely important to me. I wrestle with the issues probably every day between adoption and abortion. I don't think any young woman in this country or any place else owes it to me as an infertile person to provide me with a child. When I asked my own children what the major question is, they would ask if they ever met their birth parents, every one of them in separate conversations said that the thing that they would ask their birth mother in particular is why. What was wrong with me? Why was I given away? Every adoptee that I work with in the counseling room asked that question why. So it just isn't easy.

It's not an easy answer. Have you seen the picture of Martin and Beth when they came to us? Andy was two weeks old and Beth was four weeks old and Martin was six weeks old. I'll never forget Owen when they put Andy in his arms in the room and he held that baby in and he then went home and called his parents and said to his parents, we have a son and he looks exactly like me. He didn't look one bit like him but you know for him that whole problem, there was no doubt in my mind or I don't think in that social worker's mind that that son was going to be his. When Beth came to us there was a letter from her birth mother asking us to love her and to take care of her and so I was very aware always that there was another set of parents that there wasn't just one line and that I owed an unbelievable amount to two other people. They gave me my children and I didn't know how I could ever thank or repay them.

How many times have I called you for your finger? That finger comes in handy for mommy. I think of my own daughter, Patty, she's a handicapped child and I think how fortunate I am to have Patty at this time in my life. Would you relate your feelings about Patty to being at the clinic and knowing that women are going in, some who may be afraid of having a mentally retarded child? Many times women have actually said that there's going to be something wrong with this child and Patty herself has said, look at me, I'm, there's something wrong with me but I'm still a good person, I'm still you know within myself, I'm still happy, I'm still glad to be here, even the people that have great difficulties if their husbands deserve them,

if their unwed mothers, if they believe God will help every single human being in this world. How do you feel, Patty? I feel that they got place specific people with a lot of people, he knows what what families can take for the horse up, what comes as a horse up to them. I miss you today, bunny, anything that you've got of what you were sitting at, thinking about her that you want us to know, why am I doing this now, I guess I'm just surprised

how much I miss her, so we'll see you tomorrow morning like around 830 or so, okay great, thanks a lot. Oh, thanks, okay, I will, she's certainly not going to be timid, I think this is the best of both worlds, I mean two days a week, yeah, I told her that I thought I'd be ready to go back full time when Julia was between six and nine months old, I thought that weight in a year was too long, even though six months is only two hours, two months rather away and it's hard to imagine going back full time at this point, but it sounds like she would even wait longer if you wanted to, yeah well I think she would, but I just feel like professionally that to have an opportunity to do good full time work and to make a good salary, I can't afford to give that for a long period of time, so I don't know, I'm,

I just was surprised I missed her so much, I mean I don't know how people do this, I don't know how people go back full time, I don't know, well I think, I think it's the best of all, I think it's the best of all, I think it's the best of all, I think it's the best of all, I don't know, I don't know how people do this, I don't know how people go back but the father's helping her out. She just brought the baby home, and I thought I would bring my son, Josh, to come and see them all. Come on, let's look at the baby. Come on, let's look at the baby. Come on, let's look at the baby. See the baby, Josh? Come on. All right, I'm gonna be in faith. I'm so tiny.

Oh. How is it feel to be a mother of three? It's like they're having three kids. It really is. You should've had to do the best you can. I remember when I, when you called and told me that you were pregnant. I ain't wanna tell you anything. I know you didn't wanna tell me. What, you think I was gonna yell at you? Be disappointed. Why would I be disappointed? I don't know. Well, I'll help you out. I mean, being so young, and plus, I like the work. You know, just like that. Yeah. Sit back for me. Do you know if you'll be able to get back to school at any point? And, well, I haven't gave school a thought. Being in a position, I mean. Yeah. Right now, finance is what I'm looking at, so I'm going back to work. Oh, my ass is up. Come here, Mom.

Did you think about abortion this time? Mm-mm. That's good. I don't know. I do not recommend that for no one, but it's people's choice. If you can kind of wave a magic wand and say, everything would be like the way you wanted. What would you have? Mm-mm. I have a big, I have a mouth sitting on top of him. Mm-mm. Lots of green, pretty cut grass and flowers. Just living. Living. Trying to get my soul saved for the Lord when he comes back. The abortion issue takes center stage in the floor of the house in Harrisburg. The Pennsylvania legislation is among the most restrictive proposed in any state. It would outlaw abortion after 24 weeks of pregnancy,

unless the mother would die or suffer serious and permanent injury. It mandates a 24-hour waiting period, and fires that a husband would be notified of. Looks like it's going to pass. This will have the greatest chance of protecting the most children. And women. We should maybe get some dinner. How many do we have? We have six, seven, eight, eight plates. We make them double. So what's eight times so? Okay, well that's how many plates we made. Father, thank you so much for this food. It's the best way to get the majority of these children saved. I pray it would be done. Father and Jesus name, amen. History will remember you. We are now well over 6,000 marchers. We join together today for women's equality for the protection of women's lives.

We say to the George Bushes of the world, stop interfering in the lives of women. We can take care of our own affairs. If you hear people say, we'll see in Washington. We'll see in Washington. And then to actually be here today, it feels very different than sitting in the clinic by ourselves or sitting at home alone and wondering about what's going to happen. I'm going to let it shine this little light upon. I'm not pro-abortion, I'm pro-choice. I'm for a woman being allowed to make a decision that will govern the rest of her life. I think that choice will prevail, but it's going to be a long hard fight, just as civil rights was, and just as peace always is. All right! Ben still kind of opposed to my getting arrested. When I mentioned about the rescuer, and I said to him,

I really would like to go. He's already asking me, why don't you just tell me that you're going to go because you're going to go and do it anyway. He says, if a man wishes to come after me, he must deny his very self, take up this cross, and follow in my steps. If God does not fear the part from violence, people often accuse us of casting stones as we stand here before the clinic doors, but I believe we are justified by the lies that we save. And our purpose in being here, along with trying to save the lives of these babies, is prophetic. My question is, what will it take for the laws to change? What will it take for people to stop and to listen to us? The time is now 9.47 AM. You have 10 minutes to vacate the area. Otherwise, you will be arrested. Hey, I am a ghost,

Alpha Kata Nostra, evil soul. Do I even, like, in one or 10 minutes or so? Do I have to, you know, if I stay here for 10 minutes, will they arrest me? No, no. So they come, you know, when they're going to come for you next, then you can get up. Or if you want to go right now, let's go. No, no. I can stay as long as they start arresting. You know, just walk on. Okay. Yeah. Hey, I am a ghost, Alpha Kata Nostra, evil soul. I don't want to hurt my husband. I must consider his feelings first. I won't get arrested until he is comfortable with that decision. I'm at peace with myself now,

just considering his wishes. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. I kept expecting his response to be, well, we'll have to go through with it. You know, we'll have to have the child. And then he came back and he said, no, you have to have an abortion. But it's not that's not what I want. It's just that I wasn't ready. I am concerned that you aren't real sure that this is what you want to do. Well, it's not that. I really can't afford three children. Right now I work as a secretary.

I pay for daycare, and car insurance, and for rent. And at the end of the month, I have $300 left. It's not a lot of money. There are people that help you just pay for things. I wish I could say yes. I would also want you to make sure that this is the right decision for you. But we don't want you to have an abortion if you don't want to have an abortion. It's too hard a decision. An abortion is a loss, I don't know how you look at it. Why don't you have other questions, where you intelligent men tend to spend some days

to kill others? They don't. They simply want you to make sure your children stay healthy. Be sure to have a serious lifestyle. You You You

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