Five College Forum; Lecture by Murray Bookchin on the Ecology Movement

Author social theorist environmentalist an artist and director of the Goddard College Institute of ecology Murray bukan is our featured speaker on this edition of five college for. Iraq to the American people first will be trying to ask them what do you ask them what do you think. Time of the night with a wide range of technological and

future time technology perspective the Ward talks about his pessimism as this week's guest on five college. This this morning at 11 o'clock. This morning at 11 o'clock I try to explain to you why I was not an environmentalist. But rather was an ecologist and I try to give you some idea at least from my point of view what ecology meant as this thing was from environmental ism. The point that I try to make most fundamentally is that more environmental ism

tries to patch things up. When environmentalism applies bandaids cosmetics and everything that you can think of to the environment. Where it sort of takes hold of nature strokes it as Nixon would and says produce. Will explode you will ride you will squeeze you will twist you will turn you but just don't poison us. OK where tries to turn you soil pour chemicals in but if only they weren't poisonous you know everything would be great. And if you've seen one redwood tree you've seen them all sort of flying. We're bullies and good management and good husbandry ecology believes in a genuine harmonization of humanity with nature. And that a harmonization of humanity with nature depends fundamentally upon the harmonization of human beings with each other. The attitude that we have had toward nature was always depended upon the attitude we have had toward each other. Let's not kid ourselves. There is no such thing as a pure nature. It's going to take a long time

for us to purify ourselves. Before we can look at nature and say this is what nature is. Let me give you a few examples if I may. So the American Indians nature and the animals lived in clans and tribes. The word people large comes from the Iroquois conception. The beavers lived in lodges and they had a perfectly democratic society just as many of the Iroquois tribes had. And then I have to if you go on still further into the ancient world they believe that there was slavery in nature and that people were born to be slaves and that the Greeks aim but think it will belong to lone slaves you know and all of this is regarded as an attribute of nature. If you go on to the Middle Ages you know and you have the feudal economy with the man or. The Baron on the top of his castle drafting and wind but still with his mighty sword looking very much like Richard Burton. And that particular point with the surf down at the bottom you had another idea of

nature just like you had another idea of heaven. And the idea of nature that existed around the Middle Ages was that the lion was the king of the beasts and you had lowly hants and you were the lonely ants and I was the king of the beast you see. That was it. And everybody was in the hierarchy. There was service and there were all kinds of hassles and so on and so on and so forth and heaven was made up the same way. Jesus or God sat on the throne and he had us archangels beside him and you have the whole feudal system. When you go on into a market economy like the good old 19th century free enterprise rugged individualism everybody make it on their own dog eat dog survival of the fittest nature was also saying exactly the same way. The Darwinian conception of nature exactly fits the free market economy. They had to everybody was prey and predator. The people who survived like Morgan Rockefeller as you know all the people around the Chase Manhattan Bank were obviously fit to survive and of you died that was your trouble and problem. You know that in

the Irish potato famine of the 1840s they refused to feed the Irish people. They said that this was a natural catastrophe and that following some conception mouth Lousiana rather wise Stalin wasn't around as yet and they were not fit to survive. And this is the law of nature they said. Today we got our own law of nature and that's what I want to talk to you about because it concerns me. The simple fact is right now that I'm not only not an environmentalist I got some hot nose. I'm not a futurist. I'm not a Futurist at all. Herman Kahn is a futurist and I'm unkind and I have nothing in common except a reasonable amount of the same way. I mean in terms of fact. We have absolutely nothing in common. I do not look forward to the year 2000 that he has in mind what two thousand and one or three thousand. And it's about these questions that I would like to talk about if I make given only an hour and I would even like to get some discussion of time permits because I'm sick and tired of the so thorough Tarion lecture where I talk to you and then you go

off to somebody else who talks to you and then you go off to somebody else who talks. So we will try to have some type of questions or discussion or comments or criticism you can take the microphone after that. But I'm not a futurist any more than I'm an environmentalist. I'm a utopian. I want to see this word revived. I want to see us use it. I want to see us think Utopia not think Futurism oneness Futurism Futurism is the future as it exists today projected 100 years from now. That's what Futurism is. If you have a population of x billions of people how are you going to have food how are you going to do this. Nothing has changed. Well there goes my Kemy thing is the bigger. Well they change the size. You live in 30 storey buildings you live in 60 story buildings. Frank Lloyd Wright was going to build an office building was one mile high. That was Futurism. So Larry walks around today and I know a lot of people here think highly of him and I don't want to be ad hominum about these things. The man I believe is very well-intentioned. He's a futurist. I'm

not. I do not want to see people living in cities if I have anything to do about it. And certainly I don't want to live in cities that are going to be three miles high. It doesn't make any sense. I don't likable CA. I don't like what he did to Brazil your how we affected Brasilia. I don't like high rise apartments even if I'm stuck in one right now when I live in the New York area. Rent I can't afford otherwise. The simple fact is I just don't believe that we have to extend in the name of Futurism. And in the idea of idealism the present into the future we have to change the present so that the future looks very very different from what it is today. This is a terribly important notion to convey. So a lot of people are walking around today. Who sound very idealistic and what do they want to do. They want multinational corporations to become multi cosmic corporations. They want to bring him up in space. They want to colonize the moon. They can't wait to go to Jupiter much less Maus.

They're all very busy and they're coming around and they even have long hair and they even have beards and they come around and they say oh I can't wait to get into my first space shuttle that is the future. I can't wait you know us clocks change from ordinary mechanical ones to electronic ones to get the latest super duper type of clock and chronometer that will give me every detail of what the title is in Paris as though I don't know what the prime is in Paris so I give a damn. Right now they want to go ahead and I want to have supersonic aircraft and I want to have space platforms and I want to give this all around a tree. Twenty four square mile platform way up into space to get this far right mind you with microwaves beaming down to the earth and this is regarded as ecology and it's not ecology. It's Futurism. It's why Exxon wants to go. It's what Chase Manhattan wants the dough. Thought all the corporations want to do it's multinational It may be anything else you want but it is not Futurism. I mean it's not utopia it is

pure Futurism. It is the present extended into the future a massed society and how we keep in touch with each other. We don't even have to look at each other. Well look at television screens. I'll press a button. I'll see you on the television screen. You'll be in laws for all I know and we'll have a wonderful conversation with each other and we'll say gee whiz we've got an alternate technology or an appropriate appropriate for what I don't know we've got a soft technology I don't know how soft that is the hard it is. The point is it isn't the laboratory technology. I know people in the future for years and years play chess games with them have interesting intellectual conversations with them and never touch them once if that is what the future is going to look like I'm glad I'm 57 years old and don't have that much to go I don't want that. I am very serious. Now I'd like to touch a few nerves. I don't believe when I say this with great respect for my dear or almost friend

in a sense however much we have not have that much personal contact. I don't believe that the Earth is a space ship. I'm asking you to think what it means to think of the earth as a space. It does not have valves. It does not have all kinds of radar equipment to guide it. It is not moved by rockets. It has not got any plumbing. We may have plumbing but it is not a space ship. Its an organic living thing to a very great extent at least on its surface a built of inorganic material. It is in the process of growth and that is the process of development. It is not a spaceship. We're beginning to develop a language which has nothing whatever in common with ecology and has a lot to do with electronics. We talk of input. Give me your input plug in. Well I don't plug in I discuss. Fishing A.

Lot. Machines plug in radar is the language that produce that and the military is the language that would use the word plugin give me your input give me your output that is not what I want I don't want your output I want you. I want to hear your words. I want to hear your language. I'm not engaged in feedback with you I'm engaged in a dialogue. Or discussion. It isn't you often read back I want I want you. I want to know what you think. I don't want to have a circuit plugged into me where I can get your feedback and you can get my input. Please I'm making a plea here. And if you think I'm talking about language I think you would be wrong here. I'm not talking about language I'm talking about sensibility.

Plan does not have input or output. It does something for which Electronics has absolutely no language. It grows and grows. And let me tell you another thing it not only grows. It does more than change. It develops. We have a big problem with all these words which reflect a way in which we think and that's what bothers me. A way in which we think it's the futuristic language of spacecraft of NASA's of electronics and I want to tell you of the Pentagon with its own war games games with its game theory on if then what. What would you do with the Eskimos invaded Siberia and the Chinese retreated to North Africa. What would your position be if you had to move the American Marines and the picking. If.

And want this is a science ability that deeply concerns us. It is the sensibility of Futurism. It is the language of Futurism in which people themselves are molecular ised and then atomized and then finally reduce the sum of subatomic particles. And what we really have in the way of an eco system is not growth and not development. What we have this plumbing we run kilocalories through the eco system and we turn on valves here and we turn our valves there. Now this may be useful. I don't think we should know how energy moves through an eco system but that alone is not an eco system. We're beginning to learn that plants have a life of their own and interact with each other. That there are subtle mechanisms which we cannot really understand. They can't be reduced to energy. They can't be reduced to kilo calories. We have to view them from a different point of view. We have to view them as wide as this thing which from the

non-living and even that suspension is not so shop and clear as many people think. So this is the language of Futurism and the language of electronics which reflects a very distinct sensibility that bothers me very very much. It is not utopian and I'll get to that. After all it is the language of manipulation. It is the language of mass society. Most Futurists thought out with the idea that you got a shopping mall What do you do then. Well the first question to be asked is why the hell do you have a shopping mall. That is the real question in the past to be asked not what if you have a shopping mall then what do you do. How do you organize traffic. If the real question is not even so much traffic but what kind of cars are you using. What do they mean to

your life for millions of people as in Los Angeles to relate to each other through signals. You know you're turning left or you're turning right or you're put on your brights or you're cut off your brights and you realize how many millions of people relate to each other. Literally relate to each other that way. In a highly mobile yo society. Then we got mobility. The cosmic mobility not only input and output and feedback and space but the idea that we are one with the cosmos and we are one with the cosmos. We come out of the cosmos but we're all so different from the cosmos out there in that great vast distance which people feel we should colonize moving out into space craft was somehow relate to the distant universe and listen for the staus. We haven't even begun to listen to our own viewings. We haven't even begun to listen to our own locality. This planet is going down in

ruin and people are talking about means of projecting splay space platforms out there. Talking of a global village when we don't have the images anywhere on this planet to begin with we don't have them. We don't have any villages. We don't have any communities. We live in a state of atomization and we expect to electronically communicate with each other through global villages I'm trying not to name names but I think many of you will know who I'm talking about. I think many of you know I'm talking about. This bothers me because it may be good business. It may be good mechanics. It may be good dynamics. It may be good. Anything you wish but it is not ecology. It is not ecology. The most fundamental mistake begins with the idea that things change. Now you know the change may mean something or it may be

nothing. If I step away here and walk three feet away I have on the go on I move three feet away but I haven't done a damn thing so far as I am concerned. Or so far as you are concerned it is not the change that I'm concerned about. What I'm concerned about is developmentally growth. I don't mean growth in the business sense. I mean growth of human potentialities I mean growth of human spirit. I mean growth of human. That is ecological to develop. Is what is really ecological to a change can mean anything. It can mean moving from Boston to New York because you are looking for changes and when you have a statement man of undergone changes. I don't know what changes and I want to undergone. The question is what is the end toward which you want to develop. What is the goal that you're trying to realize. And then afterward whether or

not you have developed to that goal. So mere input and output and feedback. Me emotion means nothing. The real problem is the Scotian and dialog recognition of personality. The growth and development which is what biology is concerned with. It is not concerned merely with change. Last way it must be made very clear that you believe that the Earth is a spaceship. Then you believe that the world is a watch. You and Sir Isaac Newton agree perfectly. The world is a clock just as a spaceship has a lot of plumbing with a lot of rockets with a lot of dials with a lot of pilots and all the rest of that stuff. And if you believe in addition that the beauty today of change is that you can move all over the place in a helicopter which will pick up your geodesic dome or use some type of electronic communications to relight to somebody

who's 3000 miles away whom you may never see. Then we are not changing in the developmental sense anything at all. We're making things worse and worse all the time. And that is a matter also of very great concern to me. Ecology must begin. Social Ecology must begin with a love of place then must be home like us home. A column in the study of the house. If we do not have a house and that household is not an organic rich community. If we do not land all the land we live on. If we do not understand its soil. If we do not understand the people we live with. If we can relate to them then at that particular point we are really in a space. We are really out in avoiding ecology must begin with a very deep

understanding of the interaction between people and the interaction between people and not the world of life. It's so grand and Cosmic to talk about the biosphere. I'm interested in the immediate eco system in which we live. Where you come from what you love what is the land that you love. I don't mean the country or the state. I'm talking about the land that you might occupy it might even be a village it might be a city it may be a farmstead. But first and foremost without those roots that place you know in nature and in a specific form of nature it is a B.S. to talk about cosmic oneness. It is of the ception to talk about spaceships. It is a perception even to talk about eco systems where they are having this sense of unity with your immediate locale with your soil with your community with your own.

You can go out and visit. Let's travel through space. If one day you want to travel from space and it's available to fly across or walk across a bicycle across whatever you want in the way of territory. But first and foremost without that community and without that sense of home. Without that sense of the organic of the organic and the developmental rather than the mere inorganic and change in which you merely change place. You are changing nothing. The problems are merely amplified or diminished but they remain the same problems and it is for this reason that Futurism today plays an increasingly very very reactionary role because it works with the prejudice that what you have is given. You have to assume what exists today and you extrapolate into the future and you play a numbers game and then

you go around when you logistically manipulate here and there and implicit in all of this is the idea that you are things to be manipulated. That there are all kinds of game playing technicians who are going to the side through their knowledge of electronics through them and know how through their feedback and their input. Where you go what you should do and this is becoming a very serious problem today particularly when it is mistaken for ecology based on the organic and the growing on the development as an individual as a community and as a place. You then finally reach the most sinister numbers game of all who should live and who should die. The population game the terrifying life ethic in which now and the name of ecology today views are being proposed that are almost in the same bushel if you get away from the rhetoric from

German actions. There are those who are made to drownd they happen to live in India conveniently they happen to have black or dark skins and you can identify them and then there are those who occupy and live the life that life boat is called North America. And in that lifeboat you have to conserve what you have. You see you have to be prepared to develop an ethic. You have to be prepared to develop the stamina to see people die of course you'll regret it. But scarce resources and growing population. What can you do. You're out there on the ocean the ship is sinking. So instead of trying to find out what was wrong with the ship that makes it sink on trying to build a ship that will make it possible for all of us to share the world you get into a lifeboat just like you get into a spaceship and at that particular point the world be damned. And that is a very sinister idiology. I speak as one who comes from the thirties and remember Larry grammatical that there was

demographic ecology if you like in Germany. No different from some of the demographic ecology I have been witnessing. And I realize and sense very deeply I am touching. So are spots and views. But if I did not speak up and you will be free to speak up in a short while remember well that the implications of some of these conceptions are extremely tall Calla Tarion extremely on ecological and extremely inorganic and hand of anything to promote a totalitarian vision of the future in which there is no human scale in which there is no human control. Another thing that troubles me very deeply is the enormous expand to which socially our ecological problems are reduced simply to technological problems. That is ridiculous it's absurd. The factory is a place where people are controlled whether they build solar

collectors or not. It makes no difference. The same relationships will exist there as will exist under any other circumstances. Domination. And sex if household means that women take care of the dishes and men go out and do the manly work such as make war and clean up the planet and we go the population. Where have we gone. Nothing has changed. What will a space ship on earth look like. What will it be. Who will be the general to give the orders who will be the navigator to decide which way the spaceship goes. Please bear in mind what the implications are of these things. Our people live in cities that are one mile high. How the hell can you get to know each other. How can you have a feeling for the land in which you live when the landscape that you see rising 20 30 and 40 miles away on top of the World Trade Center I have no feeling for New York. If I were just an ordinary simple

product of the United States Air Force and I were ordered from the World Trade Center way up there to bomb unhappen looking down upon it I would say nothing. I would press the button and it would be meaningless. Up would go the great bomb the great flash the great clout. It wouldn't have any meaning to me than on the ground. When I look up at the Empire State Building or when I look up at the World Trade Center I feel a price. I feel that I have been reduced to a lowly ant. I begin to feel the demand for an environment that I can control that I can begin to on this land. When I see plants growing around me when I see life existing around me humanize animal life for all of the different forms flora then I can relate. This is my land. When Pete Seeger screams out Pete Seeger excuse me Guthrie split sighing out this is my land. It meant land.

It did not mean a skyscraper one mile high that towered over all of humanity. It was completely Cyber Lies that was completely subject to manipulation and completely subject to control. What we have to do is not only think small we have to think human. Small is not enough. What is human is what counts not just what is small. What is beauty for people. What is beautiful is the eco systems and their integrity in which we live. What is beautiful is the soil that we share with the rest of the world of life and particularly that special bit of soil in which we feel we have some degree of stewardship. It is not only what is small that is beautiful it is what is ecological that is beautiful. What is human that is beautiful. What is important is not only whether a technology is soft or what it is

between otherwise known as into media or whether or not whatever it might be appropriate to as I have said before the atomic energy commission is absolutely convinced that nuclear power plants are appropriate technology for the Atomic Energy Commission. The B-1 bomber is a very appropriate technology to the Air Force. What I am concerned with is again what is Liberal Tory. What is ecological. We have to bring these a value charge to words and we have to bring these value charged concepts. It's into off thinking. Or else we will become mere physicists dealing with dead matter and dealing with people as though they are mere objects to be manipulated in spaceships or to be connected through various forms of electronic devices was subject to world games or Finally sudden adrift on a raft or a lifeboat in which they kick off anybody else who threatens to

eat a unit of biscuits or threatens to drink their distilled water and that becomes passions that becomes eco fascism and it horrifies me to think that anything ecological even that word eco could be applied to actions first and foremost we must go back to the utopian tradition in the richest sense of the world not to the electronic frontier. Not to the tradition of nice not to the tradition of Sir Isaac Newton in which the whole world was a machine or a watch not to the idea that the faster you go the better it is the more you move the richer you get you can travel all over the country and learn nothing because you're carrying something that's very important with you that will either decide whether you learn or not and that is yourself. Move to California tomorrow and if you've still got the same psychological and spiritual and intellectual problems you'll be sweating it out in San Francisco now differently than you do in

Amherst or no differently than you do in New York. That is the important thing to recover yourself to re begin to create a community and what kind of community imagination can begin to create imagination to power as the French students do they being practical do the impossible. Because if you don't do the impossible as I've cried out over and over again we're going to wind up wanting our think. And that will be that the structure of the planet itself. So to do the impossible is the most rational and practical thing we can do and that impossible is both in our own conviction and in our shared conviction with our brothers and sisters to begin to try to create or work toward a very distinct notion of what constitutes a finally truly liberated as well as Ecological Society. A Utopian notion not a futuristic. It finally means

this that we have to begin to develop ecological communities not just an ecological society. It's very easy for me to palm that off. Ecological community is made up of comparatively small numbers of groups and beautiful communities space apart from each other so that you could almost walk to them not merely have to get into a car and traveled 60 or 70 miles to reach them. It means that we have to re-open the land and reuse it again to create organic French intensive garden beds and learn how to develop a new agriculture in which we will all participate in the water culture. We have to look for communities that we can take into a single view. As Aristotle said more than two thousand two hundred years ago and we have yet to learn a great deal from the Greeks despite all their shortcomings as slave owners and this pottery Ox a community that we can take into a single view so that we can know

each other and a community in which we know each other not by virtue of sitting around and talking over the telephone or listening to some honcho talk over a microphone or listening to some bigger hunk shall talk over a television screen. It has to be done by sitting around in communities in those meetings and in those structures which we have here in the United States as part of the legacy at least the best legacy of the United States and start thinking utopian in the fullest sense of the word. We have also to develop our own technologies. We can't let other people simply build them for us. They can't be transported from God knows where to us. We have to know how to fix our forces and create our own collectors. We have to become richly diversified human beings. We have to be capable of doing many different things we have to be farmer citizens and citizen farmers. We have to recover the ideal that even a Ben Franklin who by no means can

be regarded in my opinion anyway as anything slightly more than a Philistine believe in the eight things and Sheree you could both print and read. And when you print you read what you see. That's what we have to bring to ourselves. We have to think not in terms merely of change. We have to think in terms of growth. We have to use the language of ecology so that we can touch each other with the magic of words and communicate with each other with the magic and the richness of concepts not of catch phrases that are really snappy and cut out pork. Dialogue is longer work but it has a beautiful ring to it. Dialogue goes daya logo's speech between two talking between two logos logic reasoning out creatively dialectic. And growing through conversation and growing through communication

this is what I mean by utopia to put an almost minimal link since I'm afforded only an hour to talk to you and I can spend six months carrying out carrying on an ongoing dialogue almost every day. We have to go back to 48 who said that the measure of a society's oppression can be determined by the way it treats its women. It was not Marx who said that it was child's food. We have to read 40 yo we have to read Robert Owen who created the idea of the decentralized so called Industrial Village nonhierarchical in its nature. We have to go back to the rich tradition of the New England town meeting and all that was how free end it and recover that and learn a new type of con federal ism and we have to go back not the leaders I led but the teachers and students. We have to get away from the notion that there are those who are fit to lead when you are incompetent and those who are can only be less. And

that's about it. Today the real movements of the future insofar as they are you talk peon in their outlook insofar as they are trying to create modern expansion of the present but trying to create something that is truly new. That alone can rescue life. Human spirit as well as the ecology of this planet must be built around a New Rich communication not between leader and led between student and teacher so that every student can eventually become a teacher and not a dictator. A governor or a controller and a manipulator that is out of that type of communication. Out of that type of organic society with that richness of language where a private fact we can finally reach the point of poetry in communication with each other which we must strive for. Not electronics. Poetry. Not something artificial but real music.

The music of communication and the poetry of communication has to be recovered and above all we have to think organically. We have to think organically not electronically. We have to think in terms of life and biology not in terms of watches and physics. We have to think in terms of what is human not what is merely small or big because that alone will be beautiful. Any society that seeks to create utopia will not only be a society that is free. It also has to be a society that has beauty that can no longer be any separation any more than between mind and body. Can there be a separation between Oct. and the development of a free society. We must become artists now not only a college's utopians not futures ecologists not him just like you.

Thank you. Or two. I want to open this blog for discussion to the extent that we can have one in 15 minutes I've only spent about a half hour talking. I feel very constrained and very limited. I feel like I presented only in writing what I have to say please feel free to discuss Challenge Question say whatever you Anyone please. Yes. Can you make a blot on why not just step up here and share this with me so that instead of feedback we can have a dialogue.

Yeah my question is. There was I don't you caught the speech by Solzhenitsyn soldier. Yes I want to if you can relate basically what he was saying about the moral decline of the West and the need for a stronger spirituality to what you've been talking about. The problem I'm faced with first of all is that I have not made some speech having been confined to the green mountains almost two weeks and almost bought them to a neck box an indoor and i cases very close by the way to a narcosis. I've only heard rumors and I'm I'm very confused about what the moral decline of America. Whatever I don't know what exactly he meant by it although I can make my own inferences. I also understand he spoke about the funding the free world. So you've got a very mixed bag. I cannot comment on that because there are such so many crosscurrents in what I heard the speech to be another opportunity to read.

Please come up because there's no way for all the people to hear your Mr. Boeken was questioned about the use of technology in the ecological utopia he has drawn. Oh. No that is not optional I see a very great use for technology. What I'm talking about is I could not proceed. What I'm talking about is ruled by technicians. I'm talking about the use of various types of technological devices that are inhuman to people on any human scale and cannot be controlled by the beauty of the night. I call logical technology an echo technology or a liberal technology okay or an alternative technology is that people can understand that if they are willing to try to devote some degree of effort to doing so it's implicitly wherever possible. It's small scale wherever possible.

That's what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about going back to the PALEA Look I'm not talking about going back into caves. We cannot go back to Locke and I don't think we want to go back to the way answer your question. Is there anyone else who would like to make a comment. Does anyone want to rescue the world Spaceship Earth. I feel I don't want to go around and make this remark without indicating its implications. Even though I know Bucky often means something very different. But I am afraid of the word because Nasser loves it more than anyone I know. Please come forward. Next he was asked to comment specifically on what he proposed. I would like to I'm going to be really rocks about this and get down to it much tell you that I'm giving you some vague philosophical principles I would like to see communities food cooperatives affinity groups all these types of structures how meetings develop all over the United States. I'd like

to see neighborhood organizations nonhierarchical in their form develop all over the United States from New York City to San Francisco from rural Vermont to urban California. When these particular organizations develop rapidly and confederated first regionally and hopefully nationally and perhaps even internationally because we are no longer talking about the United States alone we're even talking about what's going on in the Soviet Union to a very great extent. I hope they will then go one way or another by example and through education when the majority of people to this sensibility and having done this having done this demand that society be changed. And then afterward we'll have to face whatever we have to face. The only alternative we have after that. If we don't do that we'll be as follows. We will be organize them to be rope proces bureaucracies in the name of progress as well as bureaucracies in the name of reaction

as well as bureaucracies in the name of status quos the status quo. And if we are organized in the form of these bureaucracies whether we use solar power or nerve gas it makes no difference. We're going to wind up ultimately with the same thing. In fact the idea that solar power or wind power or methane or whatever is in use them so that a fossil fuels will merely become an excuse for maintaining the same multinational corporate and hierarchical system that we have today. So I propose that those types of organizations and those types of social forms be developed all over the country and increasingly hopefully affect the majority of opinion to a point where the American people in one way or another make their voices heard because they are the ABA whelming majority and say they want to change the society. And if America turns over in bed the whole world will change. Also in my personal opinion because this happens to be the center the literally the keystone of what I would call the

whole capitalistic system that today envelops the world whether it be China Cuba and Russia or whether it be the United States Canada and Western Europe. That's very concretely what I propose. Does it concrete or do you feel that it has to be fed in. How do you change American people how do you change the American people's mind. That's a great mystery isn't it. And that's a very easy and a very a very easy way to try to get out. I'd like to make this very clear the American people first will begin to change John consciously before they change consciously. You'll go around to them and you'll go to workers and you ask them what do you think of work and they'll say it's noble. Your last name what do you think of property and they'll say it's. You'll ask them what I think of motherhood and they'll say it's great it's godly. You'll ask them what do they think of religion and they'll say they belong to it and they are completely devoted to their last and what I think of America will save a lot on Leave It will say What do you think of the flag. They'll say it is glorious some old glory they'll do all of these things then they'll go into their factories and the

following they'll slough off. Instead of working there go to the bathroom as often as they possibly can. Now smoke a joint. There are still deaf dumb and blind from all over the place we are now losing billions upon billions of dollars in the name of private property. That's all over the place. They will go out all over the place irrespective of what they say in public opinion polls and do the opposite of everything they think they are doing. But then one day something is going to happen. People One day the unconscious the expectation the dream the imagination the hope that you go to bed wetters you sink into the twilight hours of sleep or the early morning when you debuting just after the alarm clock has gone off and you've shot it down. Those expectations and dreams that lie buried in the unconscious mind of millions upon millions of American people are going to break right into consciousness and when they break right into consciousness Heaven help us.

Let me tell you that haven't. You. That is the spine of our losses. The strange process of education. Everyone today is schizophrenia. We're all leading double lives and we know when and not only are we leading double lives. But those ordinary so-called ordinary people out there are also leading double lives. OK. And one day that double life is going to become one month maybe it'll be for the worse but maybe it'll be for the better. At that particular point maybe something like May June 168 and power will start all over the place all kinds of flags will go up that don't look like me like we're accustomed to seeing maybe black I don't know. At that particular point perhaps millions of people will stop working and they'll start discussing then you'll have that terrifying situation called mob rule.

But that will happen and that's what happened here in 1776. They believed in the King right up to July in 1977 he said in the meantime they were having doubts they were having doubts they didn't even know they didn't like the monarchy. They didn't even know they didn't like the monarchy but one day they woke up and they set the house of King George and they went ahead and they wrote the Declaration of Independence and it was read to the troops at that particular point a different flag the Union Jack went down to the stars and stripes. And this is the way people actually train people change unconsciously before they change conscious. Everybody is afraid of. The current and future status of

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