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Wisconsin Public Radio's election night coverage. I've been marrons joined by John Powell Wisconsin Public Radio's political analyst and former state government reporter. Also with us in the studio right now is Benson Gardner he's Public Radio Supreme Court reporter that is the biggest race on the docket the state wide race. That is the race for state Supreme Court. We'll talk about some of the issues tonight that surrounded that race and we'll talk about some of the other races that are of interest around the state there's a race for mayor in Madison and Green Bay in Superior Brown County executive as well as a statewide referendum on hunting and fishing. And in addition to that the school board has a race that we will check in with. We'll get you the results as soon as we get them. And of course throughout the night you'll hear from our reporters around the state of Wisconsin. Some of the Hunton fish Amendment analysts that want to chime in on this.

And election night analysts as well. But as I said the the big race that we're going to look at tonight has to do with the race for state Supreme Court. And again Benson Gardner who covers the Supreme Court for public radio is with us tonight. Benson We know one return I already on that and there's nothing like getting returns in already. That's phoned this in from Milwaukee we have our people watching awards in Milwaukee the Madison area and other places around the state where we can compare at least to the primary election it's tough to compare to previous elections with a nonpartisan election of course but this is a highly Democratic ward in Milwaukee Milwaukee's Ward Three hundred and seven in the primary Higginbotham the candidate who lost out in the primary was the big winner. And Jim Doyle was a huge winner over McCallum in the governor's race last fall. But was just a 17 percent turnout it's Bruner 54 past 63. And by the way we're also watching the hunting and

fishing state constitutional amendment. It's eighty six yes twenty nine no for that and that's one word reported so far. That's our election night analyst John Paul and John and check by the way congratulations on being so quick off the bat as he usually is getting US election night results. Benson Gardner Let's talk about the race for state Supreme Court will talk about the hunt and fish Amendment in a few minutes folks. But a lot of people tried to line this race up for state Supreme Court between appellate judge Pat Rogan sack and Judge Ed Bruner as a conservative versus liberal judge because we in the media want to know you know where do you stand on issues and voters want to know that too. Well that became a key part of this race. Yeah it did. Pat Rogan sack most of the time firmly saying that judges should stand by the more conservative I don't mean the mean that a political sense but.

Philosophy of not voicing their opinions on issues and Bernard taking a more liberal again in the political sense view of that. The only exception I know of was in Milwaukee where both of them said they were against racial profiling but other than that had been sacked mostly stayed away from voicing their views on things like abortion or just school choice for example she did rule on school choice so he didn't have to look too far but Bruner or not having ruled on the school choice issue. Instead it went ahead and said well I can tell you right where I personally stand on that. And Rogan sack toward the end was criticizing him saying he sounds like he's running for the legislature. Judicial candidates should do that and the theory there is that if a future justice or a future judge tells you how they feel and something the fear is that some will think that they're promising to rule a certain way on that issue if it comes before their court. And part of being a judge is that you be your objective and you're fair and you look at things as though you've never seen them before something like that. So that you have a fairer view. But what. Then on the other hand we have the U.S. Supreme Court decision involving the state of Minnesota where they said that it was all right for judicial candidates to tell people where they

stand on certain things. But there was debate among these candidates you know whether it was OK even though the U.S. Supreme Court says it's all right is it really OK. Is it you know and that doesn't make it a good idea. And traditionally just the candidates for state Supreme Court justice do it better. Did which you say I'm not going to tell you where I stand it's not my place to do it. So Ed Bruner really seemed to step out of the norm for candidates in this kind of race. Well not always the race in which we had Sharon Rose running against the chief justice. Surely Abraham certainly certainly took the gloves off in that one Sharon Rose announced in three different cases where she said she would have ruled differently. Three on three specific cases of the neighbor Hampson did. I don't know how you can put your cards on the table more blatantly than that. Yeah and that's even. And Bernard did stay away from that kind of kind of specific case discussion as far as I'm aware. And the other avenues which they tried to separate themselves on the appellate court no one else on the Supreme Court is from this court.

And we need someone there. Edwards said I'm from the north part of the state. And no one on the Supreme Court is from that part of the state. And we need that represented. Does any. That play from the feel you have the reporting feel you have John Boehner reporting Benson you've done the audience out there the voters. Well I think I think voters still make their choices basically on a political basis. I interviewed one person for a story who had a nursing home who got better organs ex-pro sure took a quick look at it said you got my vote and I asked him why and he said well she's got a response from Tommy Thompson and Paul Ryan and Congressman Paul Ryan from Janesville So I mean I just think that's an easy way people know how to vote I don't think they're used to thinking about judicial issues. It's kind of ironic perhaps that the Madison candidate is the conservative and there's no question about the labels I don't think because we have many prominent Republicans indorsing Rogan sak and one of the Republican executives of the state Republican Party sent out an e-mail to fellow Republicans stating flatly Rogan sak is the

conservative candidate. So whether she will deny it I mean she says as almost all candidates for a judge do I just call them as I see him. You know I don't have a overriding philosophy I just follow the law. They all say that. Yeah. To be fair I mean I think she may have. I'm not sure but of looking over there their endorsement rests it appeared to me that she may have more Democratic support than Bernard does Republican support on the other hand Brewer has the support of a huge number of judges in the state which would seem to be a fairly nonpartisan place to go for your support. And also Robin Sax said after that email went out I mean her her side of that was that this was someone doing it on their own and didn't know that this is a problem or something like that but I don't know. I don't know enough about whether to to to to be able to believe that or not. And we're going to talk to Jack later on but from common cause about the spending and who's doing the spending in this race you mentioned the governor former Governor Thompson now Health and Health and Human Services Secretary Thompson got in on this race and gave an indorsement was that a surprise that he would step back into Wisconsin

politics. No I'm not surprised. Tommy Thompson is a Wisconsin guy through and through and he has almost ruled out running for U.S. Senate again even though he doesn't hold elective office at this present time the Republicans would love to have him run against Russ Feingold. They have no other obvious candidate at the moment to run against Russ Feingold. But Thompson says I had my chances if I wanted to run for the U.S. Senate I would have in the past and he said he just didn't want to go to Washington to be just another of 100 senators at that time. Now he's a Wisconsin guy through and through and I'm certainly not surprised that he's keeping his hand in that and surprised me there. I want to bring in the voice of herb and he's a professor of criminal justice and political science at the University of Wisconsin here in Madison. Welcome back to election night. Thank you glad to be with you appreciate you making the time. When we look at the candidates for state Supreme Court the way the race was run it was fairly genteel primary heated up slightly in the

general did heat up enough that you thought the general public paid attention or we can have a very select few vote tonight. I think the latter I think it did not heat up very much. The nature of the heat was it was you know a medium rare perhaps what the best metaphor is that you know there was there was no really harsh attacks at one another unlike some of the elections we've seen in the last half dozen years. So I don't think it is a lot of attention or a lot of media attention but then again these judicial actions seldom do even when they catch a lot of media attention. They don't that sort of catch a lot of voter attention. If the media was to pay more attention to this kind of a race you have any ideas and what the media could write about without getting into that whole debate of whether or not they can speak to a specific issue or their left wing or right wing that they you could get the candidates to talk about and get the public to pay attention to.

Well I'm not sure how much. You could get the candidates to talk about them and it's their choice as to how much they can talk about a Supreme Court decision that you all were chatting about a few minutes ago basically said not so much that the candidate can talk about this as much as that the states may not forbid the candidates from talking about it. That does not eliminate professional ethics that the individuals may feel bound to. But then if you've got somebody who has served in a judicial role they've got written opinions written decisions and the certainly the media can look at what the judges themselves have in cases that they have decided you mention previously that Judge Rove in fact had the site it had been on the appellate court panel that decided some of the school choices. Does it make a difference that the state Supreme Court doesn't have a former member of the appellate court on it in terms of the work it does.

Would it make a difference if we we were to see Petro get elected to that court. I doubt it. I think that. Understand judge drug and sex thought that maybe having somebody who's been on the appellate court would change the dynamics in the relationship between the appellate court the Supreme Court. I've never sensed in the state that there's a huge problem or disconnect between those two levels. I think also that anybody going on to the Supreme Court will quickly realize that hey this is a very different job from what I was doing even if I was deciding appellate cases in the court of appeals. Basically you decide everything that is brought to you you don't have discretion. A major part of what the state supreme court does is to decide which cases to hear it's very very selective. It's a very very different kind of job. Do you do you do you think because Rogan sak was was saying that she's had basically on the job training for the Supreme Court by being on the appeals bench it sounds like you're

saying you disagree with that and Brewer on the other hand said he thinks there's a good reason why George's judges have been passed over because he thinks the trial court experience working with the people affected by cases is actually the more important experience to have at the Supreme Court you have any thoughts on either of those. Well I I'm not sure I would agree with either of those really. That I don't think it so much that appeals judges have been passed over there have been appellate candidates who have run usually in a challenger kind of position in which case they've lost because for what the last 35 years challengers for that to seat a sitting judge of justices on the Supreme Court have always lost. No incumbent has been defeated in terms of the kind of experience that somebody is bringing to it. I mean in a sense of what the Supreme Court is doing is it is reviewing and making judgments about the wisdom of decisions by

judges below them and the being a judge below is going to give you some view of what it was like when that judge at the lower court was making the decision whether that be if the trial court or at the appellate court judge Rogan SAC has never been a trial court judge she doesn't know what it's like to call it when you're all by yourself. On the other hand Judge Bruner has never been an what is called a collegial court a court that involves several judges together deciding a case so he doesn't know what it's like to have to interact with colleagues and and try to find common ground that they both have. Some experience that's relevant and absent other experiences relevant me and none of them have had the experience that justice Babbitts had of being in the state legislature. Understanding what the legislative process was like. That's not an important experience for for a member of the Supreme

Court that interpret in legislation that's trying to discern the intent of the legislature. That's a relevant kind of experience as well. We're going to break this segment get some results that John Paul's holding will talk with you later thank you so much. Talk to you later. There's a professor of criminal justice and political science at the UW in Madison. JOHN PAUL What results are you holding. Well it's we have results coming in from Madison from a suburban Milwaukee from Racine. I just handed another medicine one on the far west side of Madison for example we have ward number 76 where Bruner got 350 votes Packer Patty Sabga two hundred eighty. Now this is a ward in which Higginbotham the third candidate who did not survive the primary one. And one of the questions was where do Higginbotham votes go. Assuming they show up for the general election. In this this case early the majority of them went to Brown or whether that turns out to be enough

statewide to make Bruner the winner. Remains to be seen but this is a pattern that the majority of the Higginbotham voters obviously. In the words we've seen so far have gone to Brown or rather the Reagan side that's probably no surprise if you're looking at the political idiology in the same ward Paul saw the race for Madison mayor 373 Dave test two hundred ninety five. This is expected to bring a huge turnout in Madison the race for mayor. The turnout statewide is going to vary a lot I think on the basis of what the local races are we have both mayor and county executive in Green Bay and some mayor races in the smaller cities. I think it will depend in part on those who comes through in Ward number three in Madison there's a 46 percent turnout. It's Bruner 430 for Pat Rogan sacked three hundred eighty six. And once again this was a war that was won in the primary by Higginbotham in this ward poll saw Glenn 493 Dave chest lovage four hundred and three. So it

looks like a so-far Zoglin over Chess Live it's of course much too early to call that in a Milwaukee ward for example in which the Democrat Jim Doyle won the governor's race against a McCallum last fall. And which Rogan sak won in the primary. Sack 150 Bruner one hundred six Let's work to 24 in Milwaukee or Racine warden where Doyle beat McCallum handily Bruner 250 rogue and SAC two hundred thirty three Bruner one that won outright in the primary and by the way in all of these the hunting and fishing referendum and this one. Yes three hundred eighty nine. No. 93 the village of Shorewood hills outside of Madison Bruner four hundred seventy six rogue and SAC two hundred and sixty three for Madison County judge for those who are a Dane County Judge who are those who are interested in that Ward Shelley Gaylord 385 Michael Anderson two hundred and sixty seven. And in this

particular ward presumably pretty liberal politically the hunting and fishing referendum actually lost. Yes two hundred and ninety three you know three hundred and seventy six more coming in will give you. That's enough for right now I think I think you're trying to get some of the numbers of you thrown a lot at you in the great work so far by all of those out in the field for us we thank you for that information. We'll tell you who those people are at the end of the broadcast. Take a quick break and we come back we being John Powell Wisconsin Public Radio's political analyst a former state government reporter. Also in our studio tonight Benson Gardiner Public Radio SUPREME COURT REPORTER. I've been married you're tuned to election night coverage the ideas network of Wisconsin Public Radio. Hello I'm Larry Miller looking forward to meeting you when we take garden talk on the road for seven weeks. Friday April 4th at Madison's Albrecht botanical garden is part of our live broadcast and enjoy some refreshments after the show is free but call 1 800 7 4 7 7 4 4 4 to reserve a seat.

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Peter Rolfe is joins us on election night as well he is a professor of law at Marquette University Peter office Good evening. Good evening gentlemen. Thanks for being with us. Thank you. So the race for state Supreme Court we talked about the fact primary night that we could expect to see it heat up some groups are saying really didn't heat up all that much in this race which tends to keep the public not focused on the media which is and we have a war going. Anybody in the state from what you really care much about who will go out there I have it you know. Even with some of this in the last race in terms of electing being these judges are still better off with the the public doesn't. The standing judges churches are just truly any method of judicial selection that you choose you can get out is from

electing them. I'm not so outstanding judges in are we better off going this route so the public has a hand in sorts of judges. I'm not sure and I'm not sure how we would ascertain whether we are better off. We certainly didn't have a campaign for that sort of is one for the history books. That would leave us with the notion of not electing state Supreme Court justices really is the way to go. And the concern about the balance of the court has been raised as concerns in Wisconsin Public Radio talk shows anyway whether or not petrol can Sachar had winner gets elected. Do you see that shifting the court significantly we've heard well Pat Rogan second selected. You're going to have a five conservatives there and we've other people say Well Ted Bruner isn't quite so different. You know the answer is you know I do not see a significant

Balor's bid because a large measure. The difficult thing to ask stepped on very hot is which the supreme the state builds with on us and I don't. The choice is stark. Supporters of it want to make it the political interest groups in it but it was in a before and it just you know we not have a side ship though. Yes we just the impact isn't you know the base for president or U.S. Senate. People feel as a nation to be patriotic today and there's an election something they can do this any and if that you're aware of that

says the war brings out votes into the minds of the was current. Voters to that extent but my intuition tells me you know that that kind of turnout we're having tonight that we had today is not fundamentally different from the kind of turnout we have in the off year non-presidential kinds of races. So no I mean not sure the war can be blamed for you know the sort of campaign or the turnout that we've had we haven't broken any great ground with you but we've covered some issues I want to make sure we did. I'm going to move on to the next segment Thank you Peter office for this time. Thanks for having OK Peter office the Marquette Law professor who on election nights and we put his input. We're going to talk about the space race that was another issue came up. Who is spending money and whether or not the candidates draw the

messages from groups before they have had common cause did that. John we do have some more rate this a lot of folks are watching the mayor race. Maybe one of the last ones in the state the return to the six and that is the universe Bill Union. It's early 150 back 50 but this is another of the words third candidate. That's what it is in this particular ward at Assen area two hundred forty one hundred and twenty. Another medicine Ward similar Ward similar results at the Memorial Union. The village of one a key north of Madison. We have been sacked three hundred and eighty one Bruner two hundred and seventy four. That is similar to the primary results by the way

Madison's Ward 77 Bruner 159 organ sack 116 is another war that Higginbotham won and for mayor in that particular war chest live it 163 saw Glynn one hundred thirty three. So by the way in almost all of the wards we've looked at except one which was the village of Shorewood hills just outside Madison. The referendum on hunting and fishing is winning big by a margin of four to more than four to one which is what about everybody expected. And we're going to get to a little more discussion on that in a few minutes folks so if that's an interest of yours we're not ignoring it it's just has to wait its turn because when Dr. J. Next John by the way before we talk to Jay do you have an overall 5 percent of votes in and where we are in the state Supreme Court race people just trying to follow the general flow of this. No not yet we don't have any significant numbers on the Supreme Court res you know 5 percent in a referendum and it's an 86 percent to 14 percent. So pretty much nowhere thats Jay is with because its exact

here in Wisconsin. Jack joins us also frequently on election night other afternoons and evenings to talk about is of spending and being here John and Carter you can see how you do in the discussion about discuss live in the groups. For this I'd go to the more events or be in the 900 grams and then on and Sharon wrote combined and then in the hours we projected that we raised three hundred and add Bruner actually about half of that will actually spend less than the moment which is two hundred fifty dollars outside spending

never materialized. It either I think one of the reasons that this was not a high spending rates it was it was this issue in the campaign. Agreed with our call to limit his spending to the statutory spending limits for $50000 at Rogan's that didn't but had Rogan Sachs asked Bruner to repudiate and ask outside spending groups not not to spend in his behalf he did not do that. Do you know how much was spent and how do we know that the teachers the Madison teachers MPI spent about at least $12000 in Boehner's behalf in Madison in the Wausau markets. But it wasn't the big outside spending that many had expected might take. And again I think it was in part because the the big issue you know the thing about the core rate in terms of the money that is the first time in memory they've annotate excepted any

committee money 0 Bruner early a campaign that not want to take special interest money on his do the same. And Rogan put them up on it. No PAC money and I think that's all those are less than they've been in the have to do with. We're not decidedly candidates organists of the court as opposed to if we had the the. But what if it all it's now that what people consider to be a bore to be conservative liberal split babble is retiring. I think some of the paper unions and some of the folks on the left here that Rogan's fact victory would make it a five to two conservative majority and so there was some expectation that there'd be some special interest money that would come into the race. But with

neither candidate taking PAC money and and rolling back making a big issue out of the fact that outside groups I do not I think get involved. I think a lot of just stayed away and you know what. But there is the resource elsewhere so this this will not go down as a huge spending race. But both candidates were very aware of the spending and it was you know in every debate it certainly occupied a good a good portion of every debate and maybe you know Bentsen could shed more light on that. I'm going to ask him to and let's say it's been short but sweet I'm going to move on with you we'll talk to you later other. That's fine thank you Jack. Thank you know Jack from common cause Benson Gardner. We keep hearing and read a lot in media reports and it goes 5 2 with Rogen sack. But then there's some reporters say goes 5 2 with Bruner. Well I think. It depends on the area of law I haven't I haven't seen much about Bronner's criminal law decisions. One thing I do know about his background in criminal law is that he's worked in a fairly innovative way in his district and the supreme the state Supreme Court has recognized him for that I mean he started what's known as restorative

justice programs where you try to attack crime before it gets to the court. We do know that we don't we we there are even a few of the burners not in the law but in the area of corporate or insurance sided with use of injury. That's considered a party though or three. That it may now be a tool for Jordy forgets that he also is conservative but she's seen much. I want to I mean he's usually the only one I've seen reported about in a criminal where there was a drunk driver who killed someone.

Stead of giving him at large have to jail is what was asked for. He gave him a light jail sentence but then made him pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to or I think it was a couple hundred thousand dollars to the daughter that the this person left without a mother so I don't know whether to call it conservative or liberal I think. Usually when I read that point is progressive. That's what the media called and I don't know if you call it that or not you could call it a number of things I'm sure we're going to talk to Daniel Blinken next he is the Scott Supreme Court's representative to the State Elections Board. He coauthored a monthly column on the decisions of the Supreme Court and his role as a professor of law at Marquette University. Dan your blinkered Good evening good evening. Thanks for making the time to be here. My pleasure. When we talk about who these candidates are and how do we determine that the general mantra is they're nonpartisan and then we all look at who is supporting them and we realize well if they're nonpartisan Why do some Republicans support one candidate and Democrats the other was that clear in this

race. IMO I think break down along party in the sense that people buy themselves as Republicans end up on Judge the access side of the citizens the Democrats are dragged out of all of the you know the ethnicity but it's been a way to clean up the labels we somebody as a demo someone. And part of what I rob you know. You know for a Democrat or Republican liberal or conservative does three play out that have your support someone who is seen as more conservative of you the

Republicans behind a candidate or someone more liberal you Democrats find a candidate that the decisions over time warrant the endorsement that was given at the time of the race. You know if you're going to be not in that age you know it would be interesting to try to perhaps look back to you know Wisconsin legal history and see if that has been borne out in the case of Chief Justice coming from the UW faculty of mid-1970s with liberal credentials I think you know there's no gainsaying but theft. She has remained very true to track your progress and for her dedication to leftist to civil liberties in other cases it's less clear. I think probably at the national level the best example would be President Eisenhower's appointment of Warren to the. United States Supreme Court thinking he was getting a fairly conservative at least middle of the road judicial candidate who is now synonymous with judicial activism and the liberalism that marked the Warren court in the mid-sixties So

again certainly a clear distinction between a federal bench in which the judges are appointed not elected and serve lifetime 10 years instead of having to run for office every six years or 10 years as the new black I'm going to break for a pause here. Have to get the house and then before the programs all the time we will thank you for Daniel but the law you know just in the radio's political analyst I suppose now and when we. But in the work of the media this cannot be here and stand on much but giving it back in and pout at the Wisconsin theater is by with

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next segment too. Scott Gunderson and then Bob joke about this hunt fish and Mitt and Scott Gunderson is a Republican state representative from Waterford in the town of Norway and he's a co-sponsor of it and we see where he is. Scott I have you here. I'm here. Good but unwelcome there so we have some people there when they went to the with they went but it understood it was for not voting for this because it was their yes or no. We it's made we grant a kind of right to fish intake gate at subject only. Well restrictions lable restrict. Do you. It might even be you know anyone

can do that. I mean you can't be a felon you have to pass a bad check to buy a firearm so you know I think there are rights that do have restrictions and I think that this is this is OK people can hunt and fish now. So why do we need to go through the effort it's a big effort to change the Constitution. Well and this isn't about today this is about tomorrow this is what could happen down the road and you know I don't know what's going to happen 20 30 50 years from now and what this will do is it will set up a legal framework for what we may need to do to really to to make sure that fishing I mean tripping will stay here in the future you know I don't know what the future will bring I don't know who the folks are going to be running the legislature in 50 years and you know there may be a time when there are some folks who just arbitrarily don't like season arbitrarily will take away a season and not based on any science what we're saying here

is is. It can it can be it can be regulated but it has to be reasonable and I think that makes a lot of sense. How do we determine what should be a constitutional right vs. a societal privilege and driving comes to mind for me I thought I was 15 and a half I had the right to drive at 16. I was taught you don't have a legal right it's granted to you but also we make these rights based on what people feel. And that's why we take these things and let people ratify it. I mean the people of this state have overwhelmingly said I believe tonight that they are right and I believe that given right. People are saying I want to make sure that continues to be. I want to make sure I just for me but for my kids and kids here that this heritage strong was kept for my grand great grand if it is that of society.

We drove the limit so so why would this amendment well be that the folks running a good example because of the court just that out. But donkeys. Oh now there's a lot of folks who don't. Isn't what. But say listen you can't. They were not going to have a season unless it's based on something that's really simple. I mean you can't just say that we're not going to have one. But when we say that the dogs of hundreds of millions and millions and millions of those animals most hunted. Bernard you know America you know it would say that there is nothing reasonable to say that you should not have a hunting season. No but the issue came up this time when there's going to be a hunting season so

the constitutional amendment wasn't necessary. No it's not necessary today that's right. But it may be necessary tomorrow. OK well before I get to Tamara to move on because we have so many things to talk about tonight. I think you know the time yet is actually if it's an off year election terms of we're not talking presidential elections and talking about U.S. Senate but we're talking with the state Supreme Court tonight and we're talking about a constitutional amendment change. We do that next with Bob. But Joe is a Democratic state senator from Poplar. He cast the lone no vote on this when it was voted on in the Senate. And just now to tell us a little bit about why Bob would try that again Bob Joe. Yes good evening thank you for being. Welcome to you for being here. Thank you. So it's got some good cases for why is it in their generations you can't just stand up say we don't thing so stop it. Well it could. But the fact is it's no surprise a lot of people feel the overwhelming

because they trust just later this issue through and answered to ensure there be sure there. The Constitution the NSA and just the anger at the people. But for this thing I think they've even having it don't pull the hot dogs or don't believe that we ought to know or believe that we manage certain species and they did it because it absolutely useless Amendment. How does this diminish the Constitution the Constitution ought to be something about a basic principles you know our founding fathers established a constitution that has been changed very rarely in the last 200 some years because they set aside 56 principles and they weren't thinking about

symbolic empty gestures to please somebody about something that may have been 50 years ago because somebody may change a law. We're elected to make decisions in the legislature. If we want to manage that if we want to manage the deer herd if we want to manage the fishing season we have a DNR for it we have the right as the legislature to change the laws. And we manage it and it ends in a way in which you go through the legislative process to pass a constitutional amendment about something that's a basic privilege it is a waste of our time diminishes our basic principles. And frankly I think that there is no end to it. What about the question that you asked about the right to drive a car. The right to be able to read the right to be able to go to libraries to the right to be able to get a good education. Those are basic rights and far more important than this this was a waste of our time. Now if we don't take up more of your time now talking about if we have more results to report. I thank you for taking the time to be with us thank you very much. Bob is a Democratic state senator from Poplar.

John Powell more results. Well right or wrong it's going to pass obviously we have 13 percent of the vote recorded no statewide on the hunting and fishing referendum and yes is 86 percent no. 14 percent. That's going to obviously for the rest of the races. But we have a percent now counted these states a state one that's pretty close to in fact 53 Bruner 47 percent. If somebody turns state county for it that is beating me in court but they show 18 eight hundred north of me. Well it's luge margin on the county courthouse to a 2

percent in county is killed. There are over 30. Much to call the state court race at this point we're going to turn to some of the May all races behind Barrino expected to get on in this hour we'll get to him after the 9 o'clock break but we start our main aural checks with the Madison race she made wells. Welcome back to public radio on the election night debate things we look at the race saga and then just let let you what do you know so far and covering the race what did you learn. Well it's turned into quite a horse race for a contest that was expected to be a whole Homme before Paul saw Glenn entered and scared away a number of candidates. It's going to be tight. We do have some initial results and I want to stress initial only 4 percent reporting and we have data chests Levitch 56 percent to Paul's loglines 40 for Paul of course has served two previous stints as mayor he's

well-known and Dave chess Levitch is. He's a strong candidate for someone who's making his first run for mayor he has the environmental background and as we know environmental candidates do well in Madison. Spencer black state legislator is practically unbeatable. Kathleen fault because our being county executive. So that's his strong point Paul's is stressing his financial background. He's done the job for 14 years. One of the papers in two months went to saga and saying both men could do the job and well in normal use if the economy were sending money to the state to the cities the States it was time to meet was challenges a great idea and experience. Therefore you decide when overture was there on the campaign to support leverage that that experience. That's

why those stretch anality a Plan A is an A and B or C is dismissed both plans. She said they just lack details. If if the city's going to get 3.5 there's less from the state she said. You've got you've got to have a detailed plan and how you're going to make up for this money and usually you don't get the details onto your legs. That's right because it puts a big bull's eye out there. I'm going to leave it there so we can get to the next reporter waiting and we'll talk with you more about this later. I think you should may we move to Green Bay and Patty Murray or Green Bay reporter joins us next Patty Murray Good evening. I gather you've got two races you're following a mayoral race in the Brown County Executive right. Yeah there's going to be a new leadership in Broward County tomorrow morning either way do you

credit the incumbent mayor Jaden. It is about to run for re-election this year so he has two people voting to take its place. One of them is Jim Schmidt he's an area businessman served on county board so he has some local government experience and then his opponent is David manic. Now Nick has served 21 years as the mayor's assistant assistant to the city council so he's really well-versed in what's going on behind the scenes in terms of budget and that sort of thing. But he doesn't really come off quite as polished as Mr. Schmidt does Mr. Schmidt is sort of more the politician. And that seems to be paying off for him at the polls tonight. The latest numbers I have in here from Brown County or the Green Bay of all this would be has Jim Schmidt with 53 percent of the vote. He's ahead of David Manning who has 46 percent of the vote. So that's a seven percent lead for Schmidt at this point. And really we have

most of the vote in at this point in Green Bay That's 94 percent of the vote. So it appears that Schmidt is out at this point again yet to come in. So for all the time his poll you would think would throw didn't was that to Jim Smith. Oh Joy wasn't in but he and the base. It's campaign. But this right that they could and should realize and the troops that are in the area tell so she would it represent if that was in

94 and 2000 Republican. She's running again until she who is the Prez the village of hope at this point so the government experience at the state level to get a little bit more of the local Kelso out ahead on that right at this point of the vote in in Brown County and Kelso has 56 percent of the urgencies 44. So that's where we're at right in terms of the numbers. I have the numbers in the region for the Supreme Court rate that you're interested in and of those quickly the need to move up with that kind of a little bit of rumor which maybe isn't surprise. Thanks that's part of the state rocket attack with 51 percent of the vote are coming in with 49. Thank you for the time you're welcome to talk to later. That's Patty Murray a reporter in Green Bay will travel to the north end of the state excitements and reports for us out of our superior bureau I could evening good

evening but appreciate your time. We just wrapped up our own local election coverage here and there is a new mayor superiors new mayor is Dave Ross. Four thousand one hundred nine votes to Sharon Carter's two thousand eight hundred seventy five o'clock about a 50 percent plus voter turnout. And it was this expected. Well there was no scandal or nothing that would really come to mind that to Unix the incumbent Mayor Sharon Conner to lose especially by a large amount. They Ross is making his first run for public office hard doing the door good thing and I know that sounds pretty pointed going for Milwaukee and Madison. You can still do it in the city of 27 and apparently it was enough to get elected. How long was mayor there reply. Yes he did. The mayor said Cole.

Oh action. I remember two N years ago some people I met Mayor Nutter is sitting there and was able to win a real action to turn this sort of tough to kick that no matter how the voters know this. Well I am certain about X is about saying about this but I haven't but for your actions at all. A big jump up but a lot of people that funneled into the mayor's race a lot of people blaming the city in the county for that Mike Sam incident we'll leave it there for now I get to the break we thank you for your report. Thanks Ben. Mike size. We'll talk to you later.

Mike Simon sends a reporter in Superior we go to break shortly but John Paul some numbers first 19 percent of the statewide vote is counted now for Supreme Court we don't know where those numbers come from but it's Pat Rogan psych 54 percent. It broader. Forty six percent of the hunting and fishing referendum is going to pass. By and large a bit of at least four to one that we can safely call that right now. Let us assume the mayor is still holding pretty close. We have conflicting reports from different words we're going to keep it on the edge of their seat and come back for that because I don't have time to hear any more with John Powell in the studio with me I'm Ben Marius Benson Gardner is here as well. We have more results we'll let you know what they are when we come back after this break you listen to the ideas network of Wisconsin Public Radio. You are always welcome here in Wisconsin Public Radio. In fact we've been waiting for you. Why not become a member today. Just go to our Web site at npr.org and click on the column a member. And welcome to the Wisconsin Public Radio community and get some advice on travel and recreation in your home computer or your pads on Saturdays

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CHRIS Where were you in line today. Front of the jail today. Yes. Where you towards the front of the line or towards the back. We were about 20 where you were so you were waiting for a while. What's this about you racing powered cars. Yeah. And from the northern part of Australia to the southern part of Australia. Why would you do this in Australia say in North Dakota. Well we have done it from Washington D.C. to Chicago to Los Angeles. Lots of different races. I didn't know that solar powered cars went fast I thought. I really don't go very far. So it's a slow race yeah between a thousand to over 2000 miles. Sort of rate of speed are we talking 30 to 60 years.

Well it's the fastest cars go a little over 60 fast surely fast enough for anyone fast enough for me. How much you charging for the solar car what do you have to pay for it. Well OK all right I'll wait until the price comes down. Will that be a long wait. Buy a hybrid car instead. OK. Happy birthday from Tina and Steve. Happy birthday. Got another crop of beans and corn. Sixty five years he's been working the family farm. Hello to you from the family. Happy first anniversary happy birthday granny love Stephanie and happy. First I had no idea he was that age. Happy birthday to Pat from all the shady ladies or shady lady. Here's an anonymous person a person who wishes to announce that today is. His or her

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Oh yeah yeah oh yeah. Faster than 60 how fast some of the professional boats we don't have any like that but some of them will go well over a hundred miles an hour a hundred ten hundred twenty miles an hour. It should be frightening going to cause ice would it not. That's usually the first feeling you have. Yes. I believe I mean you can't really be sure what's out in front of you on a large piece of ice can you. No in our hitting a crack at 110 miles an hour is usually usually part company with your boat yeah. I was thinking of a crack I was also thinking of a patch of open water that had that happens to some of the some of the more early ice sailors off the wear life jackets. OK well thank you very much for the offer and maybe some time we will. Go up there. What a welcome to public radio stations have started airing our show down in Texas KC you're broadcasting from the campus of Abilene Christian University and K. ATP located at the University of Texas. At El Paso. And a happy birthday. Chuck Berry Mr. Chuck Berry

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To be. Your daughter's coming on interpreters been dropping and the first snowflakes fell just a few of them here. This last week was Thursday I think it was Wednesday or Thursday of just a few and they fell out of a sunny sky. Amazingly and not many people saw them just a few people saw them just like a lot of other rare and beautiful sight so other people are busy doing other things and pouring another cup of coffee or arguing with their wives and I don't see this little show of jewels of diamonds coming down from the heaven I was sitting in the Chatterbox cafe and I turned I just saw just little sparkle in the snow. Falling just a touch of it I was sitting next to Mr. Powers my old English teacher who's sitting there complaining about the new principal at school they got a new one Mr however soon retiring this last

spring under the illusion that what he wanted to do was to travel with his wife around the country in a little motor home. A lot of men have suffered from this illusion who. Are now living in a motel out in Wyoming somewhere all by themselves or wherever the missis dropped them off there. He was sitting on the left hand side a man over on the right hand side of me is the ugliest man in Lake Wobegon really homely person I'm not exaggerating we call him short for papa. He comes from a mill it where they have a lot of really ugly people and you know you came to Lake Wobegon and said Oh yes he is too ugly for them and you want to come down among Christian people who would accept him even even grudgingly. And. He made himself useful he does all kinds of jobs that nobody else wants to do he works with

septic systems and he would come and take away a dead animal I fear. We have a cow or a horse does render a Can dogs and so for us he was there complaining about it getting cold and talking about going to Florida in a tone of voice that made you know he's never going to do it. You've been corresponding by the Internet with some woman down Minneapolis. He had his hopes you had his hopes up. He had the meanest dog in town. Papa did and the dog died. This last spring it was after he attacked the U.P.S. truck and bit a hole in the tire. Chewed a hole in the tire so the whole left rear end of the truck just sank down and nobody got any express packages for about two weeks none the U.P.S. man came back and he had a pepper spray.

And so the dog came after him again of course having bitten once and and he but the dog was a smart dog he was mean and he's ugly but he's smart he came from upwind so. You pull out the pepper spray the delivery man did and he shot himself in the face. He went down and and the dog chewed on him for a while and came and hauled him off and just I don't know the shock of it or something the dog died of a heart attack and it was after the dog died that popped out of my mouth I thought he would like to find a girlfriend and settle down and have a family and raise ugly children there. They were all gone so he was going on he was complaining about his loneliness or whatever Mr. Powers was complaining about the new principal the school name rank or Mr rank. He just come to the school fresh out of whatever educational management course he'd just been

in and he he walked into the school of teachers who've been teaching for years and without too much help from management. If you knew Mr However Scn you'd understand that Mr rankle the new principal came in and right away he organized teams teaching teams to organize synergistic relationships among people and to monitor key performance indicators and to carry on strategic planning and beyond all of these teachers together he had a bonding day back before Labor Day they all had to come and come into this room and he put them through these exercises that were just embarrassing he had everybody first of all write on a blackboard with the wrong hand so you could learn how difficult it is to adjust to new conditions and that each person had to stand up and tell secrets about themselves as a way of bonding with other people while these people have known each other for 20 30 years if they haven't bonded by now I mean. How are you going to do it in one day but he

had them all stand up and they had to give speeches about what they hoped would be in there a bit you wear and give speeches about which animal deal identify with with whom you identify with otters or with house cats or or or or with beaver or Ron. What would you do if you knew that nobody would ever find out about it while Mr. Powers had to get up and speak on that topic and he looked at Mr. rankle and he said I would guarantee you with a telephone cord. Well Mr. rankle had never heard Garrett vb. he'd heard about. Now maybe an attic or what what do you mean. GARRETT Mr. Powers said probable while that kind of put a shadow over all the teacher bonding day.

Mr. Powers was going on about that I'm the ugliest man in town was going about this woman for many hapless man I was looking at maybe. Who is sweeping up. Who is the most beautiful girl in Lake Wobegon. Who was 17 years old. She's Dorothy's niece at the chatterbox. She's absolutely the most beautiful. Person you've ever seen. And she doesn't know it. Magazines what printer picture and a minute this woman's face and body would sell cars. Hollywood is looking for someone like her. And here she was sweeping the floor like Cinderella. And I looked up and there was snow coming down just for a few seconds. I'd never dare say it in the Chatterbox cafe. Because people would run me out of town. But I love winter I've always loved winter. It's my favorite time of year.

You could never say it in front of these complainer in the Chatterbox cafe This is the Carnegie Hall of complaining that's where people come to practice this art form which is such a such an American art form. Dissent and complaining presidents going around the country now saying needs national unity Well good luck. I say this is the United States of America. I mean people in Hell want ice water but that doesn't mean they're going to get it. This is a country of naysayers It's a country of Besancon. Those who are on the landing boats going in on the beach for a day a day they were not sitting on those benches as they were going into the beach talking about the Bill of Rights a lot of pressure saying it isn't how much they were looking forward to defending it they were complaining they were complaining about their officers that were complaining about the gear that was so heavy and what it actually worked they doubted that they would talk complaining about chaos and poor management and the whole miserable this whole miserable thing until the

ramp came down and they went down the ramp and into the surf and they went up on the beach and they fought but in the meantime they exercised their right to complain and precious American right. Chat about cafe full of. Complain yrs. Old man sitting back in the corner around a table they drink coffee there every day and they're all old farmers they're all deaf from having worked with heavy machinery all their lives they cannot hear each other but they know each other well enough they know what the others are saying. They're complaining they can't hear each other but they're sitting and carrying on these five different monologues six different litanies Laghman patients father let this cup be taken from me they're complaining bitterly to each other about everything politicians and young people now days and tractors now days with the cabs who need the winter coming and everybody complaining about when to use their favorite subject to complain about I don't I'm

not ready for this I'm not ready for this. People were saying and the Chatterbox cafe Well honey this is Minnesota this is October. The world does not run at your convenience darling. I'm just not ready for it. What do you want to do. I mean you want to. You go get into your jammies and go to bed we'll come in sit around your bed will read stories. I went to it's not a personal relation not a personal experience. It's not just happening to you everybody else is as cold. That's my philosophy. I really love went to him. I have always loved winter. It's most beautiful time of year especially now that I've become an old person. I think of that poem the loveliest two trees the maple now is hung with snow. Along its path. It stands along the

woodland ride. Wearing white for Christmas tide. Now if my threescore years and ten. Sixty will not come again. Subtract. From seventy three score. It only leaves me about ten more. And since to look at things sublime a decade is not much time. Along the woodland I would go to see the maple hung with St.. I've always loved winter. Because in went to you get to stay indoors and indoors is where the books are. And where the paper and the pencils are. And it's where people are who are nice to you. It's not like the outdoors when I was a kid and wear the Magen dance twins were roaming around town looking to beat people up. When it got cold. You could stay inside. You didn't have

mosquitoes or flies or spiders. In the winter time I always was afraid of spiders. I was all the more afraid for people telling me I shouldn't be afraid of them. And I was afraid of flies my daughters afraid of flies. I was too because I listened to that song The Blue Tail Fly over and over again and he died. From that fly. I didn't care to have the same thing happen to me. And cougars I was always afraid of cougars. I still am you never get over your fear of cougars. People tell you what there is no reason to be afraid of COBOL there is. You don't need a reason to be afraid. And when it's winter finally you have some idea that you'll be able to see cougar tracks in the snow and a lot of the foliage is gone. That they would otherwise hide behind the fact that you don't ever see

cougars is only testimony to to their ability to camouflage themselves up. Hard. In the boughs of trees. They're up there aren't sometimes little drops of cougar spit to drop down to the under tree you see little dark places on the sidewalk. I'm not going to go up there and find out if they're there. But I feel good and when it's winter and you know that now for a few more months you have nothing to fear from cougars or flies or spiders and you can stay inside where it's nice. And where people are good to you. That's one of the great things about adult life is that you get to choose who's there with you in your house. Sitting in the Chatterbox cafe listening to all these complaining and moral crap Spock come again to the door this is my last winter

and there's God for sake and hell hole she said. This is the last one I don't care what he does if he can't find a condo in Florida for next winter I'm gone down there alone I'm gone without him I don't care he will survive for three days where I may Don't tell me no I don't care this is my last winter. I don't dare say out loud in the Chatterbox cafe I live there. Yes. Just as I didn't dare say back in grade school. After the geography test I didn't dare say that wasn't that hard. I. All the other kids were complaining about how hard it was because they didn't like to learn all 48 states and all 48 state capitals. I knew all of the states and all the capitals and I was anxious to show Mr. Erickson that I did know them. I look forward to that test I love that test but of course I knew enough not to say so. And I know enough not to say in the Chatterbox cafe. I love this.

I love this winter are some of those little flakes come down to the air and I suddenly realized I've never been this happy in my life. This is the happiest I've ever been. I couldn't say. Of course not in that bunch of people. But I thought that's news from Lake Wobegon where all the women are strong. Yeah but.

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you. Thank you thank our troopers were aboard ship which contains natural mellowing agents and bro to buy powdered milk biscuits and the American duct tape Council. And this past half hour was brought to you by the professional organization of English majors. I'm 40 and if I'm ever going to have a family I find a male and next three months with viable sperm who's barely intelligent and drive me nuts by saying it's me. Instead of asking me or talk about the nucular family. But. Where if you are looking for somebody fairly intelligent with pretty good verbal skills. Why not get an English major. I never thought of them the next week. I'm going to run them on our honeymoon. Did I tell you how long are you gone until Tuesday to work.

We have a fairly good English and we are. In the right. Thanks to all of our guests for being with us tonight a reminder again that our talent show is coming back this season. We're going to hold it on December the 28 in New York City. Our deadline for applications for the talent show is October the twenty eight for all of the complicated rules and extraneous information. You can log onto our website at Prairie Home dot a large. But we're looking for people between 12 and 18 to enter our talent contest there are valuable prizes. And after we narrow it down to about I don't know

hundred 200 300 finalists. Then people at home will be able to vote at our website to see who actually goes to Manhattan December the 20th to play for the big silver water tower. Here's a 17 year old boy right over here with a fiddle and get your cassette ready there son. WHERE WHERE YOU FROM. Young man you know you from out from here I take it. That's our show thanks to all of our guests tonight. Back over here and I thank you for coming Robin Lehner Williams Molly O'BRIEN The Hopeful Gospel Quartet and you over Cochran with Sandy cash Tyler and Barry Mr. Hof as well. Thanks to the indomitable Mr. Ross the. Amazing says John. Thanks for

taking the. Time. Johnny Damon on the fiddle. Thank you for joining us Gary me. On the drums. And Mr. Rich Gorski himself at the. Piano. Thanks to the staff of production Scott Ritter and Albert Webster thanks to the crew and the staff and the volunteers here. Thank you Linda Williams for the. Wonderful jar of pickles that you. Gave me. They had had the texture of watermelon but they were cucumber and I made them but they didn't.

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