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Rina Gilson and her husband, Christopher, opened Henry Street Pizza in Debellum in January of last year. J.J. San Filippo opened flips on Lois Greenville in October. John Dayton's Ruth Street Cafe and Baby Ruth have achieved a national reputation over the last five years. Delicioso. Each owner works to claim in a different stratum of the Dallas restaurant market, one noted for fickleness, overcrowding, and bitter competition, in a business that demands physical stamina, financial sophistication, showmanship, patience, versatility, and a strength to face a black hole that sucks in cash rather than light. Unlike say a hardware store, restaurants don't have much in the way of collateral. They make and sell their product every day. It's one of the reasons that banks are hesitant to make restaurant loans, so you have to find the money a different way, a personal loan perhaps, friends, or investors.

And once you find the money, you have to be ready to spend the money. Attorney Joe Nolan has advised numerous clients in the Dallas restaurant business. One of the classic problems is under capitalization because it is such a cash cow. Your startup costs are horrendous and unless you've been in that business a lot, a long time, you really don't know exactly how much you do need. Everything is paid in cash from vendors to taxes. The taxing authorities won't work with you like they did years ago because of the economy. They want to be paid immediately. Ruth Street Cafe's John Dayton says a three or four month cash flow honeymoon is not unexpected for a new restaurant, but it can take a year before the restaurant becomes established. And I think there are people who overestimate the cash flow that's available to you over that 12 month period and enjoy that first three month surge and then aren't able to carry themselves beyond.

And then I think you see the restaurants frequently were panicked during that period of time and begin to re-look what it was they were all about and either cut back or change their direction in some way. And that's what I talk about in terms of confusing the public and not having that consistent approach. Attorney Joe Nolan believes that in his competitive and fickle market as Dallas, that loss of consistency is a death warrant. But just as fatal is the often repeated act of plunging into the business with the notion that you can let others run it. Reena Gilson and her husband spent three years researching the market before opening Henry Street and learned ahead of time one reason why other new operations failed. Only because the owner wasn't there and he let a manager who wasn't as capable as he thought manages restaurant. They were more interested in profits than in serving the best food or giving the best service.

And I don't think anybody else can take care of your business as well as you can. Yeah, it looks very easy because all you have to do is cook and serve, but really you have to do a lot of research. And then assuming you've done your research, you're ready for all the things the research never warn you to be ready for. Sewage problems. You have to worry about that on a daily basis and that's as mundane as you can get which you better have great sewage, cleaning the amount of cleaning that needs to go on in a kitchen and in front of a house of a restaurant. The standards are very, very high to prevent cross contamination of foodborne illness. It's a very serious thing and so taxes, grocery seats tax, sales tax, payroll tax, you know, a restaurant tour, a good restaurant tour, he needs to be able to cook, he needs to bartend, he needs to know, he needs to be in the service industry, be a great waiter,

be a bus boy, be a psychologist. You know anybody that needs a job in the kitchen? Are you planning on leaving? Are you planning on leaving? Do you like your job? You do? Good. You have to expect things to go wrong. You have to wake up every day and every minute to work. Just expect things to go wrong and realize that you're going to be bombarded with problems after problem and for problem and thrive on those kinds of situations and it all has to be pulled off the back of the houses on stage as well as the front of the house regardless of whether we're packed on a Saturday night or there's nobody in the place like right now at four o'clock. There's just, you know, there's 20 people here and they're all, they're choreographing for the evening. That begins to give some sense of how restaurants are different from other businesses. If you sell trucks, you and your lenders can point to tangible assets. If you dry clean shirts, you don't necessarily have to be a nice guy.

If you want an accounting office, you can probably count on doing much the same things when you go in every day and if you want a pet store, you can figure that driving to work you won't pass 30 other pet stores and it's a testy market in still other ways. It is a market upon which you are evaluated nightly. People talk about the effects of critics on restaurants. Well in fact, every night we serve 1800 critics in our estimation and I think that there are other markets, other businesses where consumers are less demanding, less fickle. You might have a good mouth strap today and somebody opens up a new one and that crowd leaves. A good example and is what happened on lower Greenville or lowest Greenville, these are the West End. Americans have been trying to become a good restaurant area for a number of years and years ago, lowest Greenville was standing room only.

It's a ghost town now, everybody's down at West End. So assuming you find the financing, the location, the staff and the mouse trap, what are your chances? The Texas Restaurant Association says that on January 1, 1987, there were 4,500 restaurants open in the Dallas metropolitan area, 1,400 more open that year, 1140 closed, but those figures taken to consideration both the more stable franchise operations and longer established places and outlying areas. John Olin estimates the success rate at 60 to 70 percent after 14 months, but that also includes franchises. One banker I talked to guessed that in his 12 years of loaning to startups, the failure rate was 9 of 10 new places. The Dean Gerard of Deville Restaurant Supply estimates that over the last year, his firm has repossessed equipment from two restaurants for every one startup that they've sold to. Still think mom's great recipes in that wonderful place on the corner are the keys to success? Well, if you still think so, ask yourself a couple of questions.

Have you done all your research? Are your finances in order? Are you ready to deal with people who don't show up for work? Are you ready to deal with landlords whom you'd like to strangle? All the answers are yes, think about it one more time, and then good luck. This week, the nation watched as Randall Dale Adams left the Dallas County jail of Free Man.

Adams had spent 12 years in a Texas prison for the murder of a Dallas police officer, a murder to which another man virtually has confessed. Here this month at the recommendation of State District Judge Larry Baraka, the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals throughout Adams' conviction and ordered a new trial. The judges unanimously agreed that in 1977, Adams had not received a fair trial in Dallas County. On Monday, Judge Baraka agreed to free Adams on bond, but is ruling ignited a controversy in the District Attorney's Office, a controversy that is far from over. Here they are actually beating eight grand Nuefist Las Vegas County Hospital and a lot more.

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. . . . . . . . . . . . for in the morning till you can say 7 p.m. and night. We'll do some work. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Andrew, you can go home. Andrew, you can go home. Nobody's got your girl in the gown. Joe is that girl in the gown. Little Frank, who's got it? Little Frank, who's got it? Frank, Frank, drive. It is not an easy program because we are strict. Everything is regimentated. Nobody's ever told them what to do. Their entire waking day. We tell them what to do every move.

The inmates work and eat in silence. They won't be allowed to talk to each other for another 12 hours. It's now 0700 hours, time to show respect for the U.S. flag. It's the military way. Look good this morning. Captain Pitzeruse conducts the morning inspection. Well, better this morning. Sanders, they're getting more polished. The military has trained people for hundreds of years. And their results are good using this type of method.

What is that? What's going to happen if you get that caught on a tree? We out at work, tied around your neck. Use your head, Mac. No more jewelry. Anybody got any questions? Sir, no, sir! First, you take away their individualism. And then they become part of the group. Don't you look real good this morning. Then as they move on farther into the program, they become individuals again. So it's a breaking down and then redeveloping type program. Look good this morning. Who's on board it? He's looking better, snake. Texas is one of seven states with a boot camp program

for young offenders. If sent to a real prison, these young men might come out meaner and tougher. That's why prison experts prefer alternative programs like this one. They're supposed to do more than punish. Warden Dick Fortenberry. Well, I think it gives these young men an opportunity to learn some self-discipline, to also gain some pride and achievement, to accomplish something. And some of these young men have never succeeded in accomplishing anything in their life. They want you to do something, but when you do it, do it good, because it'll reflect on you. I had a bad attitude, real bad. But they could troll that, though. Well, they yell at us all, I was one thing. And you had to say, yes, sir, no, sir, yes, sir, ma'am, no, ma'am.

They'd be wrapping your face, you're speaking the face. Like every name in a book and then so on. The purpose of the officer is to get this inmate through the program, not to defeat him, not to destroy all of his self-image. The purpose of the officer is to help build self-image, to build self-confidence, and to get the inmate through the program. I didn't plan that. I could take a lot of stuff and take it now, because I've been in here. I was used to somebody just mildly out there. And that was it. But now it doesn't bother me no more. Strenuous physical labor, six hours of it, is part of the daily routine. Yes, sir. I look at things a little differently now. The way I think lifestyle I just live, and I look at it.

I never looked at it before. It wasn't a big deal to me then. Well, when I get out, I'm going back to training school. That way I won't show up. Be sure I won't mess up a little more. You know what I say? When I get out here, I'll be a different person. But away from daily intimidation and the threat of prison, there's no guarantee these inmates will practice what they've learned here in the outside world. But they have toughened up. That starts the first day of boot camp. Three or four inmates arrive each day. Discipline starts immediately. I'm going to tell you all something right now. You forget everything. You think you know about TDC? Your time has started right now. When you stepped out of that vein, is that clear? Yes, sir. The first word out of your mouth will be, sir. The last word out of your mouth will be, sir. Is that clear?

Sir, yes, sir. You better sound off, son. You're starting off on the wrong foot already. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, The season troops are still on their feet. It's 3 o'clock, 11 hours after Reveley. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, of oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Prison boot camps are so new. Officials can't predict how many inmates will get in trouble again and end up in a real prison. But Boot camps in other states report about a third of their inmates go to prison. I know you have to measure success by statistics, but if you can make a difference, if you can teach, or give one young man the life skills that will keep him out of the penitentiary, then perhaps that's a success. Something happened before the behavior. It may spend only one hour in afternoon in class, learning first aid, personal hygiene,

or in this case, self-control. He's arcing with the officer. Is that what's rule number one? I'm just going to show you what I had. Don't argue with officers. What might it do? You might get put back, get kids good stuff, come on then. So get it all, sir. Finally, it's sundown and free time. The inmates get to talk to each other for the first time all day. You know, we talk about each other and help each other out with our problems, don't you? What do you say, why don't you be in a good state of time that you really get to talk to each other? We cherish it. Oh, my God. Other inmates use their free time to get a head start on the next day. If these men were soldiers, boot camp

would be the toughest and first step of military training. But for these young convicts, boot camp is the first and last step. Then they return to the real world, exposed to the influences that landed them here in the first place. That's when the real test of self-discipline begins. A controversy that is far from over. Judge Braca joins us now in the studio. And Judge, I think we should say that yesterday, which would be Thursday, John Vance, the district attorney, did drop the charges against Mr. Adams and the case is over with for the most part. But back to that controversy, that happened. When you had sent bail from Mr. Adams at $50,000, and you had a problem with the district attorney in the case. And I think the district attorney, his boss, John Vance, is considering taking some action against him.

What happened? Well, personally, I think, from looking at everything, Mr. Winfield Scott being the assistant district attorney, just got too personally involved in the matter. And I think lost subjectivity. And it became more of a personal vendetta for him. He went to another judge, had another judge override your decision and increase the bond. And within a day, though, a visiting judge had come in and ruled that you were correct. But the big question that I think Mr. Scott was trying to get to the bottom of was whether you could provide Mr. Adams with an impartial trial is what it boiled down to. He said, you couldn't. Could you have if this thing ever went to trial again? Well, I don't think there's any question that the man would get a trial. First of all, a district judge is not on anybody's side. I'm on the side of justice, first of all, and wherever that lies, if it's in the interest of the state or the defense, that's where I fall. Now, what rationale would I have to give the state a square deal, and we've got a person charged

with killing a police officer? It's totally irrational. If a judge intervenes in any fashion, it's always because of law and justice dictates that they do so. And this man was attacking your credibility, I think. And I think that disturbed you, didn't it? No. Didn't disturb you. Of course, not yet to look to the source. If someone that I had a great deal of respect for had done that, probably would have disturbed me. But you looked to the source, so it didn't phase me. In fact, I found a little humorous. My reputation is solid in this county, particularly down the courthouse. I don't think there's anybody down there that doesn't think I'm fair. Anybody that doesn't think I'm tough at what I do. But I'm a human being. My job, again, is to see to it that justice is done. And when I see injustice, to undo it. And I think what you and I talked about on the phone this week, you believe there wasn't injustice done. You were the first person Mr. Adams attorney was quoted in the paper today as saying, who listened to what they were trying to say and have been trying to say for 12 years. Why did it take this long?

And what was it that you heard that really made you do what you did recommend to the Court of Appeals that this man get a new trial? You know, I can't tell you why it took that long. I think one, you have to look at the appellate process that we have. I don't think anything necessarily went wrong. The problem was a lot has to do with lawyers that involved the defense was not really that adequate. And that's not to put a slight to the attorney because he did his best. But when you're talking about capital murder, you need someone that really has some talent and skill. A lot better investigation and cross-examination could have probably brought some of these things out. But then some of us just hidden that never came out until I guess a year before I got a hold of it. So even the Court of Appeals did not know of it until that time. Now, whether federal magistrate did not grant it, I have honest look at this as just boggles my mind. Well, what about the railroading that apparently was done by the district attorney in this case? Do we have to question the integrity of the folks who prosecuted this case at this point?

Well, again, what we can look back on 12 years ago and what was going on at the time, I don't know. There are obviously some things that went on that I think Mr. Mulder in particular could have alleviated if he had maintained a higher standard. I don't question. Now, as to this woman lying or telling the truth, that could always be an issue as did he know or did he not. I've been in cases where I prosecuted. I'm sure I've obviously at some point in time all the cases I've had, I've obviously had a state witness that lie, I would know it unless I had some reason to believe that there were lines. Mr. Mulder in this case being the district attorney who headed the prosecution 12 years ago. What out of this entire case, because you have gotten close to it since November when you first heard the evidence, most disturbed you. Well, one that the personalities involved in the system chose not to remain professional and maintain a certain standard and ethic.

And I'm a person that loves the system. And I hear too many put down on it as it is. And the system is fine. But we have to be careful of the people that we give power and authority to. And we have to ensure that they maintain a professional bearing whatever they do. You actually are the judge who heard David Harris virtually. We always use that word confess to killing Officer Robert Wood. Well, people say virtually. I mean, as far as I'm concerned, the man confessed. I mean, what do you need? It's like seeing a three-story building burning. You see two of the stories burning up and you say, well, the house is almost burning down. The house is burning down. The man admitted to everything. He had his hand on the gun. The gun went off five times. The Officer failed. What more did you need? Yeah. So there's not a, I mean, he confessed. We're almost out of time. What that moment, did you know what you had to do? No, because having someone confess to a crime is not a basis for a writ of habeas corpus. The governor could pardon this man.

But that would not have been the basis for me. In fact, I even stated that was not the basis for me going along with the reversal. The reversal had a lot of other factors that obviously the man didn't have adequate counsel. There were materials that should have been given to them that was not in purgey was involved. You glad it's over? Very glad. And I'm very glad from the statutes as well. And our system, because I think it justified it and proved itself. Thank you very much for being here. Appreciate it. Thank you for having me. Me. and

and and www The one statement that this school makes stronger than any other is that all children, regardless of income level or racial background can excel in school when given a strong foundation during the early childhood years. Monday through Friday, 55 children attend this private

school, but East Dallas Community School is not a typical private school. Most of the children are black or brown and almost all of the kids here are poor. Terry Ford was a public school teacher when she started the school 11 years ago with the help of some dedicated parents. I was teaching first grade in a neighborhood school here in D.B. Stalas and saw children that I knew to be bright, intelligent children, which was the vast majority of the kids who were in my class, going on into upper grades and starting to develop hostile attitudes towards school, starting to skip classes or fail in different subjects. And when you've been with a child in first grade for a four year, then you know the potential that they have and I knew that these kids could do better, that there was no reason for them to be failing in school. I see you washing that baby doll and helping take good care of her.

Ford was positive she could teach children to love learning for life. If she got them when they were three years old and kept them through third grade. It's here where we work to make sure that that love of learning really is nurtured and encouraged where that natural curiosity makes finds a home in this kind of environment. At this school there is no screening for academics. We have children come into the school on a first come first serve basis. It's these same children who in another environment would fail in school. It's these kids because they've been given the opportunity to work at their own rate of speed, to do activities in a step-by-step manner where they can take as long as they need to learn something or move as fast as they can. This is what makes the difference.

It made a difference for a Clarita that avattas oldest daughter Selene. Selene was having problems in public school in the first grade when her mom enrolled her in East Dallas community school. The best possible help that they gave her here was her self confidence. They helped me learn different things in different ways. We found that there are two key things that children need to have in order to succeed when they leave our school. One is the basic skills, the reading, writing, and math, but the second thing is even more important and that's the self-confidence to know that they can succeed. Three Vattas sisters have graduated from these rooms. Their brother Omar is still here. They're supposed to make a tune but I don't think they work that good because they support their cook. In other schools,

public schools use books to learn. Here you have activities to do. These are net devs. One of the things that we do in the classroom is have birds and a guinea pig and lizards so that the children can learn to take care and respect animals as well as each other and the activities that you find through. It costs $2,700 a year to learn those lessons in this school but no one has ever been turned away for lack of money. 92% of the students are on full or partial scholarships funded by donations. Parents can also pay the tuition by doing volunteer work at the school. The parent volunteer work is valuable in several ways. One that it helps the school, another that it allows us to enrich the children's time

here but most importantly is that it does send a message to the children that says if my mom after working all day at the factory is willing to come here and watch kids on the playground or clean the dishes from lunch, then the school must be an important place and I'm going to buckle down and do my work here. One, two, one, lift on the ground and let's walk around. Said the award volunteers as a music teacher twice each week. It's how I work off my volunteer time. I need two and a half hours of volunteer time a week. Many other parents do different jobs, typing or whatever it needs to be done here at the school and repair work that needs to be done at the school. Like the parents, the teachers give more here too. They are paid less than public school

teachers. One of the reasons that teachers want to work here is because they're given the freedom to teach creatively in the way that it really works in the way that they know will reach the children. So in spite of the fact that they are not making what they could make in the public schools, they love teaching here. Europe, Africa and Arctic. And now 11 years later, Terry Ford has been proven right. Her students are staying in school and succeeding when they leave here. We very carefully tracked our students as they move on into upper grades and the statistics have been very exciting. 96% of all the children who attend the school for at least three years have gone on to make a be average or better in their new schools. 35% of the children are on the A on a roll. Over and over again, we hear that children in the inner city are

failing in schools and yet these children love to learn and they're developing the self-confidence that they need and the basic skills. What's been so exciting is knowing that these children are breaking that cycle. It's easy to love these kids because we in a small setting like this know them, we know their parents, we know their families dreams and hopes and desires and to their families this is a gift that they never dreamed they would be able to give their children. What I hope for these children is that they will continue to love to learn all their lives. They will never always be me. Hardly a day goes by without more bad news about savings and loans in Texas. Headlines about

white collar crime, big operating losses and a flood of withdrawals by depositors. The thrift industry has an image problem whether it's an old thrift or a new thrift. Since early last month federal regulators have moved into insolvent savings and loan operations on a week. The financial troubles show no sign of ending. It's turning the problem into a crisis of confidence in the SNL system. I think that they have a major image problem because they're crooked. A lot of the people that have been involved in them have not been doing things for the people that are actually putting their money in. They're doing it for themselves and taking the money for themselves

and going off. I don't think that that was what savings and loans were intended for and I'm really very upset about it especially here in Texas. The federal government has short up the system with forced mergers and new capital but many people doubt the plan will work. In a recent associated press poll, people were asked if they thought their money was safe in America's banks. 93% said yes. Is it safe in savings and loans? Only 53% said yes. 36% said no. What happened in the past is clearly outrageous and some of it was criminal and everybody's entitled to get that out of their system the bad feelings about it but at some point America has to go on. Tom Wageman runs Sun Belt Savings, a conglomerate of eight failed savings and loans. A couple years ago his ads and his speeches blasted the industry. Now his tone has changed. The crisis is the crisis language is an invention of the media. Why they choose to use it I don't know but it doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

And what we know when the SNL crisis is over. Oh I think when these stories go from page 1 to page A1 to page D1, business section. William Gibson runs American Federal Bank FSB that stands for Federal Savings Bank. It's made up of 12 failed thrifts. Even though American Federal is called a bank, its deposits are insured by the federal savings and loan insurance corporation. Many of the new thrifts are staying away from the title Savings and Loan. SNL connotes a couple things at least in my mind. It connotes something to do with crisis these days I don't get what I say but it may in the public's mind not fully capture the broad array of services that SNLs now offer. Savings and loans are now coping with a dramatic decline in deposits. People are taking their money someplace else to find better deals.

In 1988, Texas thrifts ended up with $2 billion less than they started with. There is a risk of failing in South Post plant institutions. These aren't give me's. Cleaning up the rest of the SNL problem will take more money and more time. The fight in Washington is who will pay the bill. Let's keep in mind here that there's no free lunch out there. That we, the taxpayers, we the depositors are going to wind up paying for this mess one way or the other. The SNL image problem is likely to continue too. It's not hard to find an empty building where an SNL once stood. Some of the new SNLs still have temporary signs six months after their mergers. Billboards say the future looks bright for the Texas Savings and Loans that the SNL problems have left Texas with an image that could take years to change. You can make anything complicated if you want to circumvent our delay. If you're being fair, like I'm sure the committee is going to be, or the judge will be, it's easy. Draw

the lines, include the people. Here now to give us his idea of how to best redistrict the Dallas City Council as Joe May, a community leader who has spent years drawing and redrawing district boundary lines. He's also a former candidate for City Council and a former plan commissioner. Tell me, the committee that Mr. Lipskin was talking about is this new charter review committee that the mayor has appointed. How do you feel about that committee? You think they're going to come out with anything that's going to surprise any of us? I think that anything that comes out of it is going to have to be almost revolutionary in sense. There's a lot of demographic changes that have occurred both in population shifts and in ethnicity and race. So consequently, the alternative, whatever alternative we come up with is going to have to be, is going to have to evolve dramatic changes. Okay, now we just heard Mr. Rutgers say that surely geographically there have been some

changes in population. He said all the population now is in North Dallas and all you people who want single member districts are going to be surprised if you're guessing them in districts, because it's going to give more districts to North Dallas. How do you feel about that? Not necessarily. When you look at where the growth is occurring in the city, it's virtually occurring just in one district and that is a district four. And where is that? It would be the one personally occupied by Maxwell's. That is, in that area it does have a lot of population. It's overpopulated. There's no question, but there's also no question that at the same time that we have growth moving into North Dallas that the minority population is increasing in the city. So consequently, if anything can come out of it, is that we, if we're not careful and don't draw districts small enough that we're going to end up drawing a segregated city. That is an essence with the problem behind this whole redistricting that people are going to have to study very carefully. For example, let's assume, and

it is probably accurate that Diane Rackstill's district has laws 15 to 30 percent somewhere in there. She has a district that's 92 percent minority. So she loses 15 percent of that minority base and it goes up north. She still keeps a safe minority district. And when she reaches out for, for porcelain numbers where North Dallas, she's going to have to reach into Pleasant Grove or East Dallas to get those numbers. Now those might be white or those might be Hispanic, but at any rate that constituency of hers remains intact and that being an African-American constituency. You have plans. You've been drawing lines for years. What do you think ought to be done? I think that the, the leaves that we could come up with to accommodate all the special interests in the city. And I'm talking about not only your minority interest, but your homeowner interests, your geographical interests, your economical interests. And when I'm talking

about the economical interests, I'm talking about the blue collar white. I'm talking about geographical areas and talking about Pleasant Grove whites that in order for us to accommodate everybody, so that everybody has an opportunity to be represented at the table. That the leaves that you can draw is going to have to be 12 districts based on a population of 75,000 in today's census. 12 districts, would any of those be at large? No, none would be at large. Well, okay. Now I know people are going to argue with that. And I know there are members of this committee already talking about expanding the council and increasing the single member districts, but also increasing at large districts. How would that go with you? Well, in the first place, my goal is just to think that any at large, any at large seat is virtually a guaranteed seat for North Dallas. It's, it's a known fact that there's just no way folks on the other side of Machinburg or South of Machinburg can compete. Okay. Now you're going to go and tell the committee this and you're going to give them your plan for drawing 12 districts. I'm sure you've got the numbers. So what? Do you think

they're going to hear you? Well, if they don't hear me, they're just going to end up back in the courtroom. Well, in a way, it's already in the court. Say they even came out with a plan and then they presented it to the people and it failed. Do you go back to the courtroom anyway? You either go back, you either go back to the courtroom at the particular time where you try to come up with something else that's going to pass. You just have to keep working at it. Mr. Mayor, you know most of those people on this committee. Do you have any faith in them? I think that the people that are at the table today are dealing in good faith and I think that I think there's going to be differences. There's no question about it. But I think that they're sincere in trying to do something about the problem. I do not think at this point that anybody is attempting to come up with some sharecropper's agreement where minorities come to the table with 1% and leave the table with less than what they have. Just for my information, say that 12 districts that you just proposed. How many of those would be minority do you think?

We have plans that indicate that 5 or 6 of them could be minority. Depends on how they're drawn, which indicates our minority population in the city, as you will know, is over 50%. So 5 districts will still give us under representation. 6 would be fair. You said in Jericho just lie then that you can't do it that way. I don't know what number of Jericho is looking at. I know the numbers. I'm looking at I can draw 5 minority districts enough to 6 minority districts and I will be presenting those districts at the next Charter Review Committee meeting on Tuesday. And I'm sure you share these plans with some other people. What do they think about it? I mean, are they four? I discussed them with Pettis Norman at the last meeting and he liked them. I've also discussed them with a few other people. And the thing that they like about him is that when they're compact, which is mandated by Justice Department, in two, there's small enough where people could run restroom camping. Okay, Mr. May, thank you very much for coming and sharing your dream with us. Thank you.

Okay. What's unusually patient? I'll sum up. I'll sum up. But when we come up before this Council, Mr. Mayor, you take a position just because we're black. But you cannot speak and that's why I say that you're racist and I'm going to maintain. Finally, the microphone was turned off and Khrinsha said down without being escorted from the Chambers. Joining us now to talk about why he wants to unseat mayor in Strasse is Marvin Khrinsha. Of course, that was back in 1986. I take it, you still have some very serious concerns about the Dallas City Council, which is why you want to be mayor. And also, that's why I'm involved in a lawsuit, Williams versus the City of Dallas to change the structure of the Dallas City Council to one of 11 zero because I basically feel that would allow all the citizens of Dallas to participate in decision making and setting the agenda for the City of Dallas. 11 single member districts and then how would the mayor be elected? Well, the mayor would be selected by the members of the Dallas City Council. Now, some people think that's very small town, as you just don't do that anymore.

Well, the school board does it. And I think once people look at that, what we're proposing, they will go along with it. I was speaking to someone last night in one of the mayoral debates and it was a white woman who lived over in District One. And she stated when single member districts first was proposed by Al Lipscomb, she thought it was crazy. Now, she thinks that single member districts is best because she also informed me that she can't even find their large members when she wants them. So she's also come to the point where she supports single member districts, but that is part of my platform. Yeah, but that's your platform. But wouldn't it be a conflict of interest for you to be mayor and you got a suit against the City? And that sort of wouldn't be a conflict for me, I mean, maybe a conflict for others. But I have a, let's say that I was elected mayor, that I would immediately call the City Attorney, Ms. Analyst in Muncie, and request Ms. Muncie to draw plans to show how what a 11-0 system would look like. Secondly, I would speak with the attorneys who are handling the lawsuit and testify before

the judge that the best form of government for the City of Dallas is 11-0. And I would push that particular issue. And obviously, there are many people who would say that you don't stand the chance of a snowball in hell of being elected mayor. So why run? Well, there were people who stated Barbara in 1979 and 1980 that when I was a chairman of the Model of the King, street name committee that we would never get far as having to change the Model of the King, there were those who stated when I was speaking on the issue of a citizen review board with subpoena power that they would never pass, but it's on the ballot that's present time. There were those who stated 1982 when I was speaking on the issue of South Africa that the City of Dallas would never pass an ordinance, but the City passed when in February of 1989. So therefore, I basically don't follow those who say that it'll never happen. Okay. I mean, in other words, this snowball has a chance. If you want to call it a snowball, it's rolling. Okay. What's wrong with that in that strouse?

Well, you know, and Barbara, and I think that I should explain this right now. In 1987, I was also a candidate in the mayoral race. And during the runoff between Annette Strauss and Fred Meyer, I supported Fred Meyer, because I listened to each candidate during that campaign. Also I followed Miss Strauss and she's been on the City Council, and Miss Strauss has not lived up to what she proposes. Every issue that's concerned, the ethnic minority community, she has voted against us on the issue of the arts, Barbara, since 1975, there's been $140 million allocated for the arts institutions in the City of Dallas. The ethnic minority community has only received $3 million out of that $148 million, and she can't stay for she's for us. So, I think you're against the plan that would take the arts money out of the park board and put it into the conflict. Most definitely. Most definitely. I think we should expand the park board, but also on the boards and commissions. The Strauss ran on the fact that one of the things that I was always told that she was a woman, she's a Democrat, and she's Jewish. But if you look at her performance to the boards and commissions, not one board or commission

does a woman head. The Strauss has basically not lived up to what she promised to people, and I knew that that's why I supported Fred Beyer in the beginning. There's a press report today that says that you didn't follow your campaign expense report with the city. Why didn't you do that? It's required, isn't it? It is required. And there are candidates that don't follow the campaign expense reports on time. Just because I don't follow my campaign expense report on time doesn't mean anything, it's going to be zero because I don't raise any money. Okay, well, but you're supposed to say that, right? That you didn't raise any money, I mean, but you have to follow the report. Well, I'm going to follow it. But you just laid. Well, I'm laid. And also, Bob Ray, if you have, I've been running for this, this is my fourth time running for the city council, that just because I don't file it, I didn't file it yesterday doesn't mean I'm going to be penalized or whatever, I don't file it Monday. But I think that's the mood issue if I filed my campaign report on that. The most important issue is what's, how are we going to deal with the issues that involve the effective citizens of this city, like, let me give you one more issue. Very quickly. Okay.

We have $4,324 city employees, 59 percent of the city employees live in the city of Dallas, 41 percent live outside of the city of Dallas. The city budget is $868 million, $348 million of it goes to our salaries and 348 times. I want to change that. 41 percent is $100 million and we can start tax-based activities and break it back to the city. Thank you very much, I appreciate it. Alright. The Yes, that noise system is extremely condescending, paternalistic, and is extremely crippling. Our Lipscomb has been on the Dallas City Council since 1984.

He represents the people of District 8 in South East Oak Cliff. It is called a single member district. There are eight such districts in Dallas. I don't know, Jim, if you can straight me up, but this fellow has got a fair question. Jerry Rucker has been on the Dallas City Council since 1983. Rucker represents everyone in Dallas, not just the people of a particular area. He's an at-large council member elected citywide. I think the at-large premise is an important one. I think it has a view and an ability to deal with long-range long-term subjects that the single member people don't have and are punished for having. There are three at-large members on the Dallas City Council. The mayor is one of them. In political jargon, this is known as the 8-3 system, 8 single member districts, 3 at large. Among minority politicians, it is known as an unfair system that traditionally has given the bulk of political power to wealthy North Dallas. That's because over the years, the 3 at-large seats have been filled by people who live

north of downtown. People who've had the money it takes to win a citywide election in Dallas. That's not some kind of trick. The fact is, most of the population lives there. So when you have an election where you have everybody in town voting on something, most of the voting is done in North Dallas. Most of the population lives in North Dallas. Dallas came to 8-3 by way of a court order in 1975. Before that, everyone was elected at large. Al Lipscomb tried to win in 1971, but he failed. Lipscomb sued, claiming it was impossible for a minority to win a citywide election in Dallas. The judge agreed, and Dallas was broken into 8 districts, two of which were predominantly black. But 3 at-large seats were preserved. You went with 8-3 back then, but that wasn't your ideal plan. No, that was not my ideal plan. But at least, that was better than having 11 at-large seats. Lipscomb is a product of the redistricting lawsuit verdict of 1975.

But even so, 14 years later, he still believes the deck is stacked in favor of North Dallas, though minorities make up more than half the city's population. Hispanics agree, they haven't been able to win a single-member district seat since 1983 when Ricardo Medrano lost his bid for re-election. Though Medrano's old district, District 2, was considered to have the largest concentration of hispanics, it has had white representation for six years. Laurie Palmer won the District 2 seat in 1985. Many minorities favor redrawing the lines to create more districts in which minorities could win. Redistricting is seen as their only way to gain political strength at City Hall. They also want to gut the at-large system. I want the government much closer to the people, and that just isn't a being, making a rhetorical statement. I mean, get the government out there, close to the people, that the people be participatory into the system.

That's what it's about. That is what it's about. Now, not far to set up little victims for people to start impacting your destiny. According to Jerry Rutgers' figures, any redrawing of district lines may be a big disappointment to the people who are pushing for it. Virtually all the growth in Dallas, Texas has occurred in the North. In number of population, virtually every other part of Dallas has lost population other than the North, far North. So if you have more single-member districts, I think that the demographics are very likely to show that the new district will probably have to make up for the 50 and 30 percent over population of the two northern districts. So under that premise, the most over-represented people in Dallas, Texas are those in the southern end. Rucker is staunchly opposed to killing the at large system. And I think with all single-member districts, you do those two things.

It balkanizes and makes a small the vision of those who are elected to deal with and govern the affairs of the city and to try to construct its future, and it deprives the citizens of the ability to have any way at all, to have some kind of alternative to the one elected feudal chieftain who has jurisdiction over their area. Arguments to keep the at large system intact are viewed by many minorities as simply a way for North Dallas to continue its political stranglehold on blacks and Hispanics. In any case, dialogue has begun on how to fix a system that most people agree is broken. And if talking doesn't work, Dallas may once again find itself at the mercy of a federal judge. We have a chance to fix it, rather than being mandated as we were in 71. Another lawsuit challenging the at large system is pending in federal court. You can make anything complicated if you want to circumvent our delay.

If you're being fair, like I'm sure the committee is going to be, or the judge will be, it's easy. Draw the lines, include the people.