thumbnail of Rod and Reel; The King Returns; Wink Whitney
Transcript
Hide -
This transcript was received from a third party and/or generated by a computer. Its accuracy has not been verified. If this transcript has significant errors that should be corrected, let us know, so we can add it using our FIX IT+ crowdsourcing tool.
Again welcome to another edition of Raw material or here in our favorite hard and I fair favor I guess of the same place I like the creators of light are exactly right. Especially in late September. The mark of October when the king is king once more. Breaks over Sam and return of the black and allied numbers. Here this morning to see if we can set the hook in one of those things. Along with me as my special freshening guest sissy Fournier if you stick with us watch here last Fairfax or cut several salmon last year. I love the fact that seriously if you wanna ride real man rather special fishing after country western singer and well-known personality around an old country I quite. Like the avoid the country is first salmon ever to help the Stay with us for today's edition. Rather a. Transmission of rotten Rigol is made possible by Voyager people incorporated into Orleans Ontario meeting fisherman's needs. Linda marie Chartres of Henderson Bay New York royalty Corp. Pasco Oklahoma makers of electric fishing reels and Navy Point Marine sockets
Harbor New York. We're hooked on fishing. During the month bought. Him a sandwich. Candle migrate close to the shore getting ready for the fall. September. And October are a prime time to catch the big key. He's the number one freshwater fish. That's when he'll bust more tackle and do more battle than any fish I've ever met. When he returns. The Black River in Dexter New York. Is a hotbed of activity. On today's edition of rod and reel. I'd like to invite you aboard our bold. Pick yourself. Sitting there behind the ride. Doing battle. With the king of freshwater fish. The Chinook salmon. Well we start on today's edition around MELHOR so you when you were the first one already.
Got a money right you got. The talent. Well I say it's all right down and up and up my clothes on the other side. Don't run. But at least take a line. Document position on the corner. Got to know the. Family. We'll. Take a photo on the right. Here and take it around to the right we got this little dynamos we got this done here. I want to just keep turning Charlie on and I'll get that. By casting today hello hello off the
board. Oh OK. I love the quiet often. I want a way off it allows us to keep the tension a little down with. Me. Right here. Well you might find he's right. Son Charlie Chaplin on the other side out there go away about that. Take it along to the light. Thanks to your town of the ball down the river. Have. Already found interesting I'll turn right. Johnny hi right. Now you don't see settling on. Top in the league office. Oh so we seem to be right here. Yeah
all these headlines are just a little doesn't get caught on the corny about I don't fall over kid. Why don't even that one. I'll take a shot at it when you think you've got it right. He's come and he's coming. Now like this you don't want to reverse side with the forces remember the sharp edge on the bottom right now you right up to the keel. Going out front again going back this way. He comes running from the corner here so it's all the wall behind a photograph and are probably trying to figure out what that is. Yeah big. Boy take him away from the boy.
Spectacular action. Back it up. I want him away from the danger boys. He comes. Out on a body weight. You get. Here for your house why he's pretty sure we're going to be getting by on it when I got my own he's got me here and we're here for him. Okay got it. I want to.
He's got a pretty severe lamprey hit right or left rail it had it not too long ago and you can see greater mass this way through into the stomach lining and lives on the juices of the fish but it's a nice fish maybe 18 20 pounds so he might have pretty right now. My last recording now Michael let's a little bit and ended up bashing Betty that is I think the both of them and I guess I'm eating teeth in the jaw. Meeting. That's right when he comes up to a female grabs all of us she was about not. About as a fillip that you develop a kite that's a male. The starting is a lot of jaw his nose celestially come off the hook right now when they go into a into the mating phase. I guess we're supposed to be beautiful to a female salmon. Now they are
scared to get out of the way. Well let's put up a box. One down four to go. Shut off here for a minute. Take a breather. Show you what he hit. This is a four inch. Blue back side a rattle spot. Spot. Let's take a closer look at those. He really was. Down my arm. Well we're going to have to slough off the ring and I'm going to must add something that they can't straighten. They're such a powerful fish and that one there was you know so you've seen that that was an exceptionally big fish it was a good a good average salmon he would come out on a couple times. Yeah and he took a fair amount of line off the reel on the stock but that's good because it
gives us a chance to get the rest of the lines clear and out of the way. He really freed up the lion right there too. Just going to have to go another said Michael my boy. Let me ask you something have you ever seen a fish like that. No no that's amazing. They really get with it. Well you're the next man up. You're surprised they got rid of the weak sister. I don't know how do you always need to do that. I can poke a lot of fun of her because you see she was ran for my two boys and every summer I watched her grow old or new young lady just loves to fish so if I pulled off on it or just like my daughter don't mind I can get it back. I know you're getting. Old boy. Yeah we've known you and your family since my brother Bob shuck your mother and I really when we were kids when you get the goat
drunk. I never got there at all that's on my monitor telling them read up I could really tell. Oh I'd young lady never forget stop me on the river sometime and I'll fill you in on that billy goat. She sure likes to fish. Next up country western singing star Mike Weiss spits several times and a willing jam Berry I might refer to my truck just off the salmon battle. You see Mike had an unfortunate accident a number of years ago and it cost him a leg but it sure didn't dampen the fisher. Levels a little bit so I just write him back again to Frank or Michael. More now Mike you got a good rap there. Yeah better as he seems like you don't want to worry. You don't. Have any idea. How much lined up on the real. Well I got a little bit left here all right. You are not a core part of everything you think yes then there will be just time OK and I'll be better all right. Holy Toledo to put a
reversal back at him to get the net. Stand by and hold it up there for people. Who don't give a comment on a. Nice Santa doesn't know you right there Michael what he's going to do. You don't raise a whole lot of hell when you get both a vote. For you may have to just jump right over the side and get him down and I'll fight a study of the candidate often you don't know what you mean. And. He will talk. I don't practice what you think you run out after finding a couple of the next truck try to pull on the north pole right there just stand by to move it if we have to. Make a run nothing back up went on I don't know snap on a saddle get over just like instead of. Michael get back and I want to bend then I ride better all the time. He doesn't break it down and listen. To more of what we have a lot of
good 75 yards or so off the court. OK he's already tried that stick. Tried to back your stone at him a little that's good just the way you're going to tell him. We need especially Mike has to be to in about 3 to go. We're going to make when it is words of the day. Well you know a long time wait for your personality. Already I have had a brain only micro. Brewery. Thanks fast might just tell that you. Know he's going to try to go this way you don't need to run some I let. Him. How so that he'll come up you can look back at that fight and you gotta love the lot. Everyone is getting a
spike and right now we get a look at if you. Can't get a look at him that way. Over ride him over. A lie. Yes I got in my family am I going to jail for beautiful. Heaven help you Sam and may be all right. Yes or let me do it every time you know how bad the hawk is buried but we'll see in a minute. That's a perfect absolute perfect get in course I'm not sure what I mean. The reason we run the big singlehood. Is because that jaw hinge right there is like a piece of iron might just feel right there. And I can see things and that big truck gets around that and I like to say then you got him on the meat hook that you really can hang a minor and you can't lose that unless he snaps a line to you misplayed what I said earlier today about the
doubling back. You know I really have to go on it real. That's the one time you get to line it all can just follow see what you're going to have proprietary please thank you. You can get a hold of him he got all you wanted and that's something like a bad boy say 20 25. That's a heavy very thick very beautiful beautiful face. Just. Like it. See if we can get him up you know I well. I'd. Like. To see that that's beautiful. Sam a beautiful
idea. We'll write off but with those big kings ever sock in Iraq that day that our camera man went quickly but we got five. Well OK you guys you made it. Right. Right. I just hold on right there. But my God only Lions player. Now you got him all right and I think he's running right. Watch your work your way back down here let me get the frog out of your own to feel your pain. I don't rip his head off. You know him a little bit to the right. He's run from side to side and back off the NASA press. Come back if you're back across we can get the sun around right. Power on it now. So you
come straight across. So you just try to find some stuff don't fight him too fast. Higher. He hit that outside on the outside of the yeah you bet I'm even I. Was I mean was. My girl like that to you live as a. Fan. Big fish. So do I get the biggest one the day. Off. Right back down stream traveling in reverse back down right over there. Coming up. I'm waiting for him to run for may know he's. Telling us. That. We. Were forced. Backing down on the green ball this white. Truck almost made it.
This way. I want to write off this way if you can. Good. To hear and give you the back of. His head. Can. You work your way around the corner. He's going. Anymore. If you're counting. I got it. Let me get a. Beautiful right here.
That is a beauty. That's when you don't grab the handle of the plane to lift it Mike you break the next best thing. Wow. Nice if I get my family when. I get a good part of a lot of you can when I break and I was on the rides he gets annoyed right you know snap. Your snap. Laughs Oh boy that's a heavy fish Chuck. I'll tell you that's a 30 pound fish. I got the poing. Why wasn't she home nice Michael. We're going to planet itself right hinge again. I showed you earlier. OK. Can you turn that radio down Charles. I can't I've
got it hung up in the spring. So I got to break the hook close to the boy. It came out I'm sure. You might have to get that. Was why I just take the whole thing behind the writers on the problem. Most players who. Went back and left him want to chat to him right. Yeah tell me about it. I think.
Now let us say I'm going to go right. I never got much better the fish in a boat than me in the river. So isn't hooked that one right in front of the coffee hole. It's got to be quite a landmark there and a blacker known taller salmon fisherman that frequent that stretch like three fish in the boat. Mike White at the Rock Island he holds himself a giant whale sharks salmon so you try to keep him. Forever. Isn't taken up till daylight. That's hardly. What this thing is. A little over the line. That's it and I'll take it over to take a look at this thing. Or get the dog to put over. The metal. Type.
All of that. Was taken off. Again my keyboard up people crank a. Fifty three of the five for one retrieve so it is a fast retrieving real meaning that you should be able to pick up line on him if he runs at your but be afraid to really go on it just. Because you've got to be able. To play the part. I want to put this rig on the side for you. Drop the radio and shut it off with in case he makes a violent run to the front. My can stay with. Me and like it I like it. Chuck just get back straight onto the whole about 90 degrees.
Here and you say that. That's good. Don't come up anymore on the head on the funny angle if you can help it. OK I might all I just want to go into reverse and back on this way. Well the battle with that big salmon raging for the better part of one thousand minutes back and forth across the river with Michael getting the fish close to the boat and then the fish continuing to run and peel all of the line. Michael did you train right out again.
It went on for a number of minutes in a very unfortunate thing happened. The salmon got in very close to the boat shot part of the boat and we found him wrapped hard around the propeller of our engine. Creating a lot of chaos in a very short period of time unless Michael Sam and I got on a very frayed piece of monofilament line decide to get up on a subject from a weapon. Remember that line it's got to be afraid you can't slap on the top that long and we're getting dangerously close again. Be ready to get right near the border right there right there. Talk hold on down Michael. Trim up time up to. Get the pop up. Frank it might be all the way.
OK. Talk on the bottom. You're going to have to head back now to recruit. To get some results now right. OK we're in trouble with the cable we're going to back down on the cable right now. Tied up the drag system a stop back in on a cable. Here he comes again and he comes himself.
Left the basket on cable. All right but what I'm going to write Michael a downer on your much longer are we going to hundreds. Oh no you can't have that one Michael. Now with the rap for a headline on a downer cable lying out on the bottom we never should have landed that Samak. I guess we'll just have to chalk it up to beginner's luck. Michael's big nail weighed in at just under twenty seven pounds. Every respectable fish to mount and hang out and watch the show was shot on Friday September 14. 1984. September and October are prime months to take the big salmon in the Black River. If you
telling them tie a rattle spot. A loco spoon. And even lie. A fireplug hot shot. During October. When we begin to examine. Why a gay blade. Mr champ a caste master a Swedish pimple. It's a deadly. Susan did land. I feel. Chin up. And wink last is back. A fitting conclusion to today's edition of here on the banks of the Black River campground. Five nice Chinook salmon in the box. A nice catch for the day. Michael got salmon number one and number two in his career. Number eight nine and ten. She's a fish a salmon no doubt about it. See you here in September and October when the fall rains while a black river and she begins to flow and return from Lake Ontario to do battle with the angler. That's crafty enough. We hope
you enjoyed today's edition and that you'll be with us right here next week. Transmission of rotten rail is made possible by Voyager Depot and gold rated that young and Orleans Ontario meeting fisherman's needs. Linda marie charters of Henderson Bay New York. Royal B Corp Pasco Oklahoma. Makers of electric fishing rails and eighty point Marines Achatz Harbor New York. We're hooked on fishing.
A.
Who was fast on a pumpkin this morning. It's September but so great time to be fishing. The room's greatest fishing is right now. Cold here when Chinook salmon a building on the shores of Lake Ontario. Ready to make that migration run up the rivers on the final spawn before they die. It's a time when fishermen flock in numbers out of the ports and harbors along the lake to try to catch the big silver fish. On today's edition I've got two very special guests. Handling the boat for me to do is a taxidermist friend Charlie Rawson and my special fishing guest is the man behind the camera. That you're going to see wink in all of this glory. Hopefully catching fish maybe even dropping wanted to. I hope you'll stay with us for today's edition of arrive in Rio. It promises to be a good one. Funding for a rod and reel was made possible by grants from cotton Gordon Hatton and rebel products for fishermen everywhere and by Lorenz electronics incorporated makers of electronic sonar and by dialogue Corp. rods and reels made for each
other. But before we start today's program I want to see that happen. They should assess as only one of them will go on Cavanagh to vote today. OK. You get to tell me what to do and how to do it nobody else behind the camera but today you're going to have to pay attention and hopefully. Hopefully will catch you good big fish now you've been looking forward to starring in one of these programs I know I know we got a lot of fans out there that always hear me talking to you and KID YOU IN YOUR HEAD OF MINE AND LOUIS AND But Abbott COSTELLO Well this is wink and Willy Boy you don't want me on the team for what seven years now it's like shooting a program. Or going out in
the lake. It's a fantastic time of the year. It's a time when you know it was because we shot enough of the show is that a salmon build in very large numbers I had reports. Good friend Captain Hanks Danica got 14 yesterday. That's good. As of the time it's the first real heavy feet we're going to be fishing with. Squid today and I'd like to talk for just a minute if I could about. Dodgers and squid this is an old Dodger and this is probably one of the most popular sizes that they have on Lake Ontario. It's a chartreuse and green and it's a number 0 and it's made to throw the squid which is hooked up behind it in a rather erratic manner causing the Chinook hopefully to get excited interest like the squid. Now if I can I'd like to on the talk here and just show you the squid this is a potential squid. It's rubber has 2. Talks in it. And wink you know for a fact that takes about a big hook to get on a John or Jane or does it make a nice size. You'll notice
that the leader length is not much more than the length of the dodger and it's that way because we're finding that leader legs short and what is normally recommended on a package of quad to 14 inches. We're looking at Leader length sort of running 8 and 10 inches to get a much better throw on the squid and we try to demonstrate that when we get out there in the water for you but we're going to be trolling green squids a greenish actress digest and we're going to be using them down river rocks this is a down to ride here. It's an eight foot. This is a strike rod but the number of good down river rides and a good down to ride if you watch Brad we'll you know has glass and graphite composition but the real trick is down here in the real section. This is one of the new Meg 453. It has a modeline capacity and we've loaded this wheel was £17 test and I would recommend 15 to 20 pound test. If you're going to be fishing king salmon in Lake Ontario
has a modeline capacity allowing the salmon to take a pretty torrid run if you like. And it's the kind of kind of realist you really need to hold a big fish. It's pretty difficult to catch some on bass tackle a step out so much line on the initial strike that they can empty your wheel in a hurry. But this has a drag here so that we can control the fish with a drag mechanism. We do set the drags rather loose on the initial strike the release and the down rigorous tight enough that it seems to hook the fish All right. So when you were going to be tolling chartreuse and green Dodgers and green squid and were also going to be another color that's been working very very well in Lake Ontario and that's this. It's a silver dodger and a black squid combination. Now we've loaded the Silversun a block so we know where they are on a big forty seven acres this is a dial 47 h level line very large line capacity excellent hyperreal and there are many many real ones
on the market now I think Shimano makes an excellent one. This is from out of sight and I think that's very similar to this and several good ones on the market. If you're out there you want to be looking for a real with them online capacity that's the important thing. Black Dodge or silver Dodge a black squid. Well partner do you feel like you know where my best can't get a. I think I've had it the way you were talking this morning about how cold it was I hope you got your Snuggies. No I don't have my snarky already essay we get Captain Ross and fired up let's go there. I said turn them over Cap'n. The ad about to show how to run that thing. Well captain I think you're going to stay. He's going to get it. He's got he's going to get it out he found the key wait it again Charlie. Advance of Charlie it'll start a go but.
Will they. Walk it out while one of us in Iraq and I want to hear them next. Looks like a beautiful day out there somewhere. We just called out softly to find out there was a film on the fog on the lake so it's going to get interesting. But if you're what. We're all a pretty good mood that morning. Is a good laugh. Greenpoint located on the eastern shores of Lake Ontario. Fog reports we've had on the lake were definitely to off point nine my area of Oswego New York. The fog bank was pretty thick. But we stopped. Off Sandy pine.
It was quite clear. However the wind was blowing and the seas were quite rough. We went to work on one side of the boat and the other setting I down riggers. A pretty competent fisherman. He's worked the equipment before and I trust him to take one half of the boat. Into his thing. Located some fish. We were in about. 100 feet of water so. And we were going to attempt to fish down. In the 80 to 90 foot range. Looking for the king salmon. The reports had been super The day before. But we had a bad wind. And heavy fog off the west. And most of the charter boats were not reporting very good catches. The miners still hoped that we'd get a hookup.
And it wasn't too long in coming. We had the first one. Like a king. We didn't know that made me look like a.. Well. I. Felt. Sad. For the whole. Thing. Thank.
God I'm. Here.
Yeah. OK back to fish. Yeah back to fish and.
Fish we did. It all week you could hook onto. It was like. We couldn't find a Chinook salmon in Lake Ontario. But we've been getting reports. That there were a few being taken. I kept waiting for the inevitable. Wink to drop or mishandle a fish. He's an excellent Thracian. But a real butterfingers when it comes to hang on the one. So far today. He was batting a thousand. Believe me I knew it couldn't last. He made it to the box with that one. And then as luck would have it. The smallest fish of the day. Seemed to give him the most trouble. First in just getting it off the line. When I went to place it in the box it happened. Right a comfortable ride out here on.
Your own isn't too often I let somebody work the rigors and work the whole ball away when you still are pretty competent right. Spends a lot of time with me on the boat when a few people I feel comfortable sneaking up on the bow of the boat. My copilot. Got a lock. We're going to have to wait about I can't think of a better place to wait about it right here. Well if you have any doubt the fishing was slow just look at this one team out there was playing basketball with them landing at. The Harlem Globetrotters they're not unique. Most definitely. The boat kept working away. Hoping the salmon would turn on.
A wink I think the doldrums of the afternoon have passed an hour 10 minutes to five. I hear where Yahoo is from boats all around us and seem to be getting cops in a war. We did a minute ago we had one we had one on the way when yeah this guy over here just got one. They may be turning on Charlie I think we got a shot at him right now and let's hope anyhow we've got we've pulled a line to get rid of the sex lines or kind of call for lines correctly with chartreuse and green Dodgers and green suede and blacks with down. It should be the right combination for this time of day. It's a fish. If what I'm seeing around us is any sand fish might be good I'm looking for some action. I don't think we got along the way. I don't either. Get him.
Right there. In here. And let him get any. Right. Don't go too fast on awaking. I want to blame it on the other side the. Rap on the come down on the other side of the antenna. All over the antenna.
Don't get stuck in a. Drum be able to see the fish when you get them in here we can work on it. Every day when you're in one way or the other. First one broke you're riding a thousand little pieces. On the pole and I don't believe. Somebody brought. Up your name right. That's got to be a nice damn until I've got to be a nice thing. I don't believe people look at the way that I have a saying every salmon is a nice family. I'm trying to figure out. How I'm going to
get out of the old. Much. Better than half the one I had in my hand. I imagine you are still singing when you're talking to any. Radio in your. Area of the water. Cable went. Out that's why we can get away from the cable. OK. I get this cable and keep it that way. OK so you're going to get me in a circle complete circle. Complete circle all the way around cracker hard. Saddle crank the wheel. Just keep going right stay around and up again. And it may be time you got to keep away from like that never give me time to get the rigger up.
OK bridle down rattle write down. All right the record coming clear. Oh OK all right now here know I write him down when he cranking down razor out to have a go. Don't pick that line. You get your fair hearing that little lighter. I hope you don't mind him just getting over here and I do want to thank him brings. Come on come on we can't thank you man here an air rifle. I know. He's going to war now. It's great that you got me bad. Try and innovate I.
Haven't. Got there. Thought I had. Forgotten Holliman. Oh I think I. Have enough. Well you got nice smelling great and I smell. I Play Dough Boy strong fish a lot of time I can have a pliers. Yeah I probably did. I got a double hook. Oh OK.
That's right around here right I want to laugh hard all the way around. Crank it right out. You've got nothing else. Don't like just crank it. Take that man upstairs when you talk and I think you just wanted to tell me all day. There we go. Now we get a great Thank God you see the wink and now would you like to attempt to pose him for the camera. Not that big that they are kind of trying to write down to write what the summit will be about. I think they were going just like a boy. Come on I don't. Like. Any good luck at hand. Now you put him right on ice but because you're going to do a thing on
him on a charcoal right. Oh yeah I'm going to try him. Yeah. Should be a. Nice male. Power. Play for a stick. While guys are off into the sunset I was in the most productive day in a while and King Salman but when he got in I got a corner for five or so and up for the day. But fishing is great right here in New York state especially in September. Sam again a state where they make a run up the river to great time to be out here fishing day I just started the last week or so and that's and that's tremendous for the first week of September. So I think I think
some of them are really going to be the best month has always been traditionally October October by the numbers at a border right here next week. Funding for rod and reel was made possible by grants from cotton Gorda Hatton and
rebel products for fishermen everywhere and by low rents electronics incorporated makers of electronic sonar and by dialogue Corp. rods and reels made for each other in.
Please note: This content is only available at GBH and the Library of Congress, either due to copyright restrictions or because this content has not yet been reviewed for copyright or privacy issues. For information about on location research, click here.
Series
Rod and Reel
Episode
The King Returns
Episode
Wink Whitney
Producing Organization
WPBS
Contributing Organization
WPBS (Watertown, New York)
AAPB ID
cpb-aacip/254-1289331x
If you have more information about this item than what is given here, or if you have concerns about this record, we want to know! Contact us, indicating the AAPB ID (cpb-aacip/254-1289331x).
Description
Series Description
"Rod and Reel is show hosted by Bill Saiff and featuring fishing experiences that highlight various types of fishing and fishing techniques. Most episodes feature a guest who is an expert on fishing in a certain area, for a certain kind of fish, or using a certain technique."
Description
Episodes: Cut 1: National #219/Local #719: 'THE KING RETURNS' Fishing fanatic Susan Fournier and Country Western signer Mike White fish for King Salmon -- 29:00? Cut 2: National #218/Local #720: 'WINK WHITNEY' Cameraman Wink Whitney fishes for King Salmon near Oswego NY on Lake Ontario -- 29:00?
Created Date
1984-06-01
Asset type
Episode
Genres
Talk Show
Topics
Sports
Subjects
Fishing
Rights
C. 1984 St. Lawrence Valley E.T.V. Council Inc.
Media type
Moving Image
Duration
00:58:48
Credits
Host: Bill Saiff, Jr.
Producing Organization: WPBS
AAPB Contributor Holdings
WPBS
Identifier: 00063 (WPBS-TV)
Format: U-matic
Generation: Master
Duration: 00:58:00?
If you have a copy of this asset and would like us to add it to our catalog, please contact us.
Citations
Chicago: “Rod and Reel; The King Returns; Wink Whitney,” 1984-06-01, WPBS, American Archive of Public Broadcasting (GBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC, accessed July 16, 2025, http://americanarchive.org/catalog/cpb-aacip-254-1289331x.
MLA: “Rod and Reel; The King Returns; Wink Whitney.” 1984-06-01. WPBS, American Archive of Public Broadcasting (GBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC. Web. July 16, 2025. <http://americanarchive.org/catalog/cpb-aacip-254-1289331x>.
APA: Rod and Reel; The King Returns; Wink Whitney. Boston, MA: WPBS, American Archive of Public Broadcasting (GBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC. Retrieved from http://americanarchive.org/catalog/cpb-aacip-254-1289331x