KGNU History; Year 3, Tape 1

You're listening to Stevie Wonder The Secret Life of Plants. Malcolm that was. Very popular in the nine hundred eighty nine thousand eighty one and that's the year we're about to talk about on the history of new part 3. Good morning. Cagey on your radio now begins its first broadcast day for mirrors in Taiji. Don't you think a genius comedian you do need older arms to their age and you know you know since May of 1978 has provided a unique service to the Boulder County community. Adrian you you're listening to KGO new boater idiot 25 and you're in the corner dialing buddy County Public Radio when you have not time for a long reggae bloodlines cage in the cage and you communicate you know your Boulder County public airwaves and many of the people who made KGO knew what it was and is have assembled some sounds that may stimulate your recollections or just let you know how things came to

be the way they are to build a foundation for the next 10 years. Call for 4 9 4 8 8 5. And we'd like to encourage you to call 4 4 9 4 8 5. Become a member and you renew your membership this is a wonderful time to do it this is that 10th anniversary fund raising drive and we're trying to get eighty eight point five new or renewed listener members every day of this 12 day drive. And we are pretty close to that number at the end of yesterday which was the second day of our membership drive we had one hundred sixty one pledges so that's pretty close to the eighty eight point five. And we are looking for you right now to become one of those eighty eight point five members that we need every day to reach our goal of $50000. During our 10th anniversary drive right here at K G and you we have a number of fine premiums to offer us just a little inducement a

bribe if you will if you want to look at it like that. That's OK. For example right now if you call for 4 9 4 4 4 4 9 4 what's your number again. That's where I think I'd know it by now 4 4 9 4 8 8 5. We're offering you a pair of tickets to go and see and hear Abby Hofmann speak at Chautauqua auditorium and that will be May 21st a week this Saturday. Saturday night a week from this Saturday May 21st at 8 p.m. at the Chautauqua auditorium which is over at 9th and baseline Abbey Hoffman a man who I'm sure needs no introduction to most of the KGO new listeners he was one of the prime movers of the political moment Berman's of the late 60s. He was a hippie a yippee yuppy. He's been and he went underground for many years and now here in the last three four years he has

reemerged as a voice again a voice of protest a voice of reason I would say and have humor. And a viewer he zes of is a very funny person and I'm sure it'll be an entertaining evening so give us a call at 4 4 9 4 8 8 5. That's $460 pledge which is the best way to pay for the $60 membership is the automatic fund transfer. And that's where $5 is taken out of. Saving banking your checking account every month $5 a month that's a $60 pledge to Kadian you and you get a pair of tickets to see Abbie Hoffman May 21st and we're going to wait for our first pledge before we get into some of this. Really. Maybe history of the year nine hundred eighty nine thousand eighty one of you so give us a call here. 4 4 9 4 8 8 5. Become a member at the $60 member level or if you are already. A 60 dollar member with the FTD automatic fund transfer and you're up

for renewal all you have to do is tell us you are up for renewal and you know that you can you can call you can get your mug you can get your Abbie Hoffman tickets. How much were these tickets cost if people were to go do you have any idea. Well I don't we have but we have to have something like that either in the 10 to 12 bucks range though and probably a 20 25 maybe even a 30 dollar value. And if you're planning to go and see Abbie Hoffman Anyway this is a way you can kill two birds with one stone support your community radio station KGO and you. Pick up a mug of go see Abbie Hoffman and have a good. Have a feeling have a good feeling a generous feeling or compassion a feeling that you're helping this radio station 4 4 9 4 8 8 5. Things have been a tad slow this morning I tend to attribute it to the beautiful weather outside. Still we know there are a lot of people that are listening to you right now they're glued to their radios they're waiting to hear the tumultuous history of year

three of KGO new and we're going to get to that in just a little while. But first we'd like to see the phones light up. 4 4 9 4 8 8 5. In addition to a claiming Abbie Hoffman tickets in addition to getting the mug you can pick up a record also by becoming a member of cagey and you you will be eligible for our drawing for a week's vacation in Negril Jamaica that includes airfare. And it sounds like one of the best prizes Cajun you has ever had are carrying Caribbean or Caribbean if you prefer getaway. So let's get the phones lit up right now we've got people waiting to take your calls 4 4 9 4 8 8 5. OK I'm not playing any more music for anybody and that includes myself until somebody calls and pledges some money so that our station does not have to go off the air. I mean why should I bother to play records for you if you're not even willing to call up and pledge a couple of a couple of dollars a couple of dollars it's not that much money. We've been playing what you want but we have to

have your money we can't make it without you. We played Michael Hemingway's new album we debuted premiered on this station. We're the only station in the whole tri state area to play the Phish cheer the whole all the way through. We play a lot of old stuff we play a lot of share stuff before she sold out. We play a lot of crap. But but that's what you want you know. When we started we sponsored a lot of public service stuff and we had the show off on Saturday nights we had a whole series on how to be bank America. A lot of people you know want to repeat it you know we're going to a lot of heat from the government we're still going to repeat it you know the management says go ahead repeat it so we're going to be able to play it for you people again. We had Mrs. Rosemary Kennedy's biography her intimate biography stuff that was uncovered about her life we had that stuff on. You know about how really badly she felt about her son's dying and stuff. Where the hell are you let's get some phone calls five five five twenty one fifty louis. What about you people in labor come out every every Friday night we've been sponsoring a wildly hour we've been having old weird wildly guys who were the I.W.W. back in the 20s and stuff. Let's back us up we're in the same boat five five five twenty one fifty

It's us against the world let's go. Let's beat the world tonight come on a sheetmetal people where are you. OK say March for girls I'll give the cast every girl from say March that calls pledges the money come on you're some good lookin chicks you got some handles over there you mothers young mothers that are still up the baby's crying we were the only stations got a radio daycare center you know we got a girl that comes in here you know keeps the kids in their place shut up sit down that kind of stuff and it works because the kids listen to the radio and respect the radio. Now why don't you show a little bit of respect give me a phone call it five five five twenty one fifty come out give a couple of bucks you want to hear radio again. Now that was Mary and his version of the public radio sledge rapping. That was KGO news version of feedback. 4 4 9 4 8 8 5 is our number not five by five whatever Bill Murray said.

And come on let's hear it from you out there well that's how my my more angles from the sheet metal workers out there. We may not have too many sheet metal workers listening but I'm sure we have a lot of stained glass people out there. I'm sure we have candle makers. I'm sure we have also a dulcimer made well the dulcimer makers give they give till they bleed. I mean we can't we can't really ask the dulcimer makers to give any more than they've already given their some guitar makers or some sculptors out there some Potters. We've got lots of potters out there photographers photographers who were all you are teased out there give us a call 4 4 9 4 8 8 5 we're not going to play hostage radio here we don't like to if we're forced to we may have to but we'd rather we would much rather get to the history of KGO and you listen to the sounds of the past the fine radio that we've brought you for so many years 4 4 9 4 8 8 5 David Bartholomew has joined us here in the KGO new studios.

Bob Kagan you is a center and investment people put their money here and what do they get they get the programming. We use that money very efficiently to bring you excellence in programming we it goes toward buying. Tape recorders microphones headphones you name it. We need to get it in order to produce quality radio for you and you can monitor your investment 24 hours a day any time you turn on the radio you hear the sound of KGO new programming and that's what we're offering to you at eighty eight point five FM. And we're asking you right now to call 4 4 9 4 8 8 5 and we're going to be talking about that very momentous year in 1981 when things sort of went in in very strange and bizarre and painful patterns as it is us to use a sports metaphor things went south. Things went south into the Deep South. Yeah but we would like to get at least one call right now at 4 4 9 4 8 8 5.

And. Have you become a member join the family of KGO new members I like to remind those of you who receive renewal notices in the mail who are part of the automatic fund transfer group. That means a little bit of money is taken from your checking account and put into our checking account very quietly in the middle of the night you painlessly pay monthly literally. Those people who received your renewal notices and you are in the several hundreds you can call right now get a mug. Get registered and get part. Get on this team of caging and you give us a call at 4 4 9 4 8 8 5 and we've got four operators that are standing by that would love to answer the phone will take a couple of minutes to say this is Cajun you man take your pledge and it's your opportunity it's a Bentley. When you're calling to register your feelings about your radio station you'd like more of this you'd like less of this you want more box

cattell ski in the evening a little bit less etc. etc. It's a time when you can register your thoughts and feelings about your community radio station. I'm sure there are a lot of people out there who would like more box Good Housekeeping. There's no doubt about that. The late the late hours early the very late the two wee hours of the morning the two to four slot. The way these things seems to work is that there's kind of a snowball effect. I've noticed in doing this for close to 10 years now it just takes one person it takes one person to take the responsibility to go to their phone 4 4 9 4 8 8 5 is the number to call and then people start. Well that guy's doing it or that woman's doing it well now I guess I ought to do it too I ought to be the one to take the responsibility and as soon as one person starts the phones inevitably begin lighting up so right now we're looking for one person for you to take the responsibility. There is no such thing as a free lunch in radio. You have the sense that whenever you turn on the radio no matter what station you're tuned into you're not really paying anything for it but that's not true at all.

If you listen to any commercial station there are hidden costs involved every time you buy a product a certain percentage of the cost of that product is you're paying for the advertising that went into it to that product. And so when when you listen to that advertising you are paying that there's no such thing as a free lunch period K.G. and you we don't have any advertising. We come directly to you the listener and we say hey listen we need so many dollars and in our case we have a budget of $200000 a year half of which approximately half of which needs to be raised through these fund drives. With without without that money we're going to suffer you know and we're not going to go off the air that's not a problem but the quality of radio we bring to you may suffer if we don't get your pledges so give us a call 4 4 9 4 8 8 5. I know it's a beautiful day out there but we know that there's a large number of people listening to us right now. And if you're one of those people listening and you're not a member. Now is the time to do so. 4 4 9 4 8 8 5 we need to get the ball rolling

here and bring our tally ever upwards towards that $50000 mark or over $8000 right now which is great this is the just really sort of beginning of our third day but we need to get the ball rolling right now. We've hit sort of a little valley and we'd like to sort of get out of the valley so 4 4 9 4 8 8 5 is the number. Give us a call now. We're going to play a bit of tape from the National Federation of community broadcasters just a little excerpt of community radio what it's all about how it began. Over radio. Broadcasting as it exists now in the United States is a pitiful unmitigated whore. At some stage in its history there was a chance to turn it into a creative artful and caring medium.

But then all the toads came along realizing the power of radio and television to hock their awful wares. The saga of broadcasting in America is littered with the bodies of those who wanted to do something significant and were driven out. Or more correctly sold out by the pimps and thieves who now run the media. Broadcasting does not have to be so vile and boorish. The Canadian best of all have shown us that it's possible to have a superb blending of commercial and noncommercial radio and television and Canadian communications are alive and alert and funny and meaningful. They don't have to bore people to death as educational broadcasters in this country so obviously need to do. Nor do they view their listeners some sort of dumb animal to be fed acres of pap soley for the purpose of prying money from him. The art of radio can be used for artistic means. The radio soul does not have to be made into a strumpet for soap. And politicians.

We were in radio overnight and we were unhappy in radio and I suppose like your body else We daydreamed about our own ideal radio station and the more we thought about it and we realized that nobody would pay for it because advertisers would be talking to a minority you know and advertisers are very unfun of minorities like the largest possible body count for their dollar. Joy Cole You know what your husband Lou is you know a band of intense that acute people started the nation's first completely listener supported radio station. KPFA Pacifica Radio Berkeley California. April 15 1949. That's a little bit of a 30 minute tape about the beginning of listener sponsored radio in to in California at

KPFA in Berkeley the first listener supported radio station in the country's history and it's a that's a great tape that's and that dates from the time we're talking about nine thousand nine hundred one thousand eighty one. And with a sin the studios David by Sammy on who was around in those days and Steve Chavis who was definitely around in those days. Hi Steve. Hi welcome back so glad you could make it. This afternoon. Yeah good it's great to see you back here. And Steve's wearing his new T-shirt in fact you're both wearing vintage AKG and you know I remember saying that when that's what about five years. This is this is the one that has endangered species on the back. Remember this and this is YOUR here. Yeah it's a good new with headphones on plugged into the logo of KGO in you and it is Boulder County Public Radio in long bottom it's at the beginning of radio. Of

course way at the left end of the dial where the FM band starts and this is when the station was first on the air and so I dug it out I actually haven't worn it in quite awhile that's one of those things that I almost wore out from the revealing holes it's got in here. You know so but it's good to be here to let you know reminisce over doesn't get too boring as we old codgers still a war story. You know Steve you came to keep you from WDTN choice. Actually I was going to the University of Colorado went home for a summer and. Work to see the public station in Detroit actually the lightweights don't Wayne State University when Wayne State University. And after working that that summer I mean it was a real growing sort of process for us they said. You stand there and watch for a while. Then they said well you can write something for us so I got to write up a little community calendar and this is on Tuesday nights at 11:30. After

that they let me write something then they let me stand in front of a microphone and read something. And of course we're getting progressively more involved then eventually after about eight weeks. They let me sit down and play a record. And once I got my hand on the board that was it. I was ruined. This is what I wanted to do. And it's that kind of way. And 10 years later you're the public affairs director at KBC you know KBC Oh right right right up the street there. How long have you been there now stayed a little over three years. So quite a while and before they you it Calle Titi. I was it to calle TC for about three years and which was I guess my second paying radio job and of course you know if you don't get fired from at least a radio station or two then you know that you're not really into radio. Well let's let's try to set this year in context for our listeners this year what year 1980 1981.

This is from May to May or May 22nd 80 to May 22nd of 81. Now I had just walked out the door of you and you Steve I think had taken my position as volunteer coordinator. Right we were highly paid so you see the workers. It was Jimmy Carter's program wasn't it. Yeah and get paid to coordinate the hundreds of volunteers that came through these hallowed halls and mounting Clapper I remember I did the interview with he was interim general manager of the station was in a real state of flux at the time the board was going through changes people were leaving people were coming in and subsequently the staff was going through some changes of them not not at quite the same rate I think as as a boy. Yeah the board of directors and. Then Monti left and David Greene was the manager a volunteer coordinator. That was me south John Salamone he

was on staff and the music director. Yeah music director right. Yeah. And so the staff was I guess slipping in and out of you know five would go to four three eventually down to nine and then back up to two and like that. So when when May of 80 came around by then you were the volunteer coordinator. Dave Graham had been hired by then I think. Right. And the station was continued to be very creative and innovative on the air. I think you can really look at it in its And sort of a parallel to human life I mean in the third and fourth year we're just you know learning how to walk learning how to talk trying to run a radio station you know a lot of new people. We don't have you know that the radio veterans you know working around us and teaching us things we all just kind of you know seat of the pants we were all learning radio I think most of us were learning radio. I was

certainly learning radio as we went along and it really made made it interesting because of the experimentation was very high. I mean. There was this kind of gravity handrail who did an experiment. I think all his programs were experimental. On Sunday nights following the eclipse symphonic was often a private eye. And so we were able to do a lot of you know weird different strange wonderful things get away with a lot of things and not get away with a lot of things that let's listen to a little bit of your production work in the year 1980. This is from your Stevie Wonder Special have a just a couple of excerpts from it Stevie Wonder at. Well you tell it all of this tape let's just listen to that. Sisters and Brothers presenting the eighth wonder of the world. Stevie Wonder live at the see you Event Center Boulder Colorado December 4th 1988 to set the stage.

Stevie has invited someone in the audience to introduce the concert for her or her. We'll hear another excerpt. Stephen Moore is he's just a man although he's a very very beautiful human being too. That's what he does with God's gift that sets him apart.

We're privileged to have Stevie Wonder around in our lives turned to gives us inspiration and exemplifies how someone with seemingly less can do more. In the recorded conversation with Stevie Wonder is rare. He just doesn't give interviews to everyone just sitting there talking. You forget so soon that this man is blind. But it's clearly evident that Stevie can see far more than you or I. He puts you at ease with his mellow voice and easy attitude. He's very humble and even seem sad when his superstardom is discussed. This exclusive taped interview was made possible through the efforts of the club staff. Becky Davis billiards God and Steve Jebus and the staff of Black Ball Productions Keith Harris and Marcia Smith without their enthusiastic cooperation. This conversation would not have been possible. For the following privileges to finally get to talk to the Wonder why do you go

in classes so you're frequently listen you're 75 years old most of the album every two years. Is it a commitment to quality you just want to save it to get it right. You've been through the question. I'm going to the last minute we were. In there I produce also. You know I'm very critical of what we give to the public as to it being the statement musical statement. I wait until I'm satisfied with what that is that I'm going to give to the people. As being a musical statement. You know I think he was a statement I don't necessarily mean it it's some. New. Dynamic. More words of wisdom is I'm going to be just you know my. Musical expression as a statement as to my experiences or experiences of other people.

And. Guy Yes. I. Have to say as to three things and so on. I don't think you have one particular message you seem to have a general message of just you know the love and harmony that you try to inspire. But do you see a mission. That is missed. Well there was Steve Chavis. Dreadfully embarrassing what why do we need all of the glitter of your production skills and values. Yeah but you know you were able to hone here and cage in you that would scrawl a diamond in the rough for oh yeah there's some quality stuff in this which is what it would on their first day or certain kinds of microphones you need to use like that was a 635 a mic which is an omni directional and pick up everything in the room and it's constant traffic in and out of this back room this is a back stay at event center so you Event Center with this big heavy door slamming and I also learned in this interview you never you know lead

somebody with a question by answering it for them. And you said yes you've asked the question I said I won't do that again. But you know he continues to expand you know kind of makes up for it but you know he's Stevie Wonder that's like the crown jewel of that must have been really exciting for you. Yeah it was. And with that in with so many other interviews that we did for Eclipse and for the other programs here we got a chance to take what we have what we sit in a room with one person doing and bring it to the thousands of others and you really get a sense of of the awesomeness of radio and and sort of kind of revere or respect the medium to take what we do one on one and share it with hundreds thousands. And I was that was pretty special that's part of the romance. That's part of why we you know why we do this for you know less than great pay. You're listening to KGO and you're in Boulder It's five minutes past noon. And this is day

three of KGO news 10th anniversary membership drive. And we certainly encourage you to call now and become a member of KGO new 4 4 9 4 8 8 5 is the number. And we have some special premiums that we'd like to give you. Indeed if you call that number right now at 4 4 9 4 8 8 5. We'll have six pairs of tickets to the Abbey Hoffman event on Saturday May 21st at Chautauqua park at 8:00 p.m.. Six pairs of tickets for Abby Hoffman. You need to call right now at the $60 level you get a mug as well as a pair of tickets to Abbie Hoffman Saturday May 21st. We're waiting for one person and it's got to be you you've got to get us off the schneid hour on this Wednesday May 11 1988 the third day of caging used 10th anniversary. Membership celebration drive it really starts with you. You need to take that responsibility of walking over to the phone and saying yes to community radio. Yes I support kids and you I think you've done a great

job in 10 years. And I want you to get better and we will get better. If you take that step 4 4 9 4 a day five is a number. Six pairs of tickets to Abbie Hoffman Saturday May 21st a great value. You get the tickets you get a mug. Most of all you get us off the schneid and get us going this Wednesday afternoon. And you have the satisfaction of knowing that you have become part of the cage in you family because we depend on you this is two way radio. It's not one way radio. We need you. You need us for news information music. If you want to hear what's going to be on KBC oing KTLA in six months listen to KGO new today. That's that's perfectly valid. I don't think I'll ever forget these phone numbers I want. I want this phone number 4 4 9 4 8 8 5 it's been absent in my memory. I think of it as a montra you know. I guess it needs to be more though than a souvenir. And if you don't use it you lose it so without you know being morbid or threatening or anything it's it's

one of those facts of life and facts of entertainment facts and information. I heard somebody say a few minutes ago no free lunch 4 4 9 4 8 5 and we'd sure appreciate it. And you'll get it back many times over. Thank you Steve as you can tell this man has pledge rapped before. I know you'll do it or mind for it. All right. I'd like to play another program that happened occurred during 1980 as you recall that was the year that Ronald Reagan was elected president of the United States. And one of KGO news volunteers Bob Greece put together this report. Well last Tuesday of course was the debate between President Carter and Ronald Reagan.

Independent candidate John Anderson wasn't in the same hall but in Washington presenting his views. Thanks to the Cable News Network. Carter says he came out ahead and of course will. Reagan says the same about himself. But how do the people voter feel on who was the winner. I think Reagan came out ahead because Carter on the defense a little more I think Reagan defended that were brought up. But it's like you bloopers I think throughout the campaign that when you go in the body of things that they told a lot of have a story a lot of parts are true and have you made up your mind here over Reagan went into it knowing that I wouldn't though he really it frightens me to think that he's the choice. Who is your choice. Carter. I really really boring either one of man would be around the bush. Have you made up your mind you're going to vote for. And who would that be. Henderson.

Anderson I think Carter came out ahead in debate because he was a little more charismatic I think than Reagan found Reagan stumbling in the middle with and he's not real sure about some of his ideas at certain point I think Anderson and came out ahead of time before and after and and heard his commentary on the radio after that. I think in the debate between Reagan and Carter that Reagan probably came out and believe that Carter came out ahead and believe that Reagan points were well taken. I have a bias toward Carter already. OK I thought the nobody knows pretty well even and they didn't print you know Reagan. And how come. Will every question the card with that guy. I feel he didn't answer anything directly he avoided every question and I think Reagan at least tried to answer the questions maybe his answers weren't what we wanted to hear but

he answered well. It was that seemed like a long time ago. And indeed it's been the most of KGO news history has been in under the Reagan era the last eight years. And Bob Reese the producer of that piece for kids and you is in the studios with this hi Bob. Hi glad to be here. And tell us a little bit about your involvement with kids when you. Came in right about when Steve was taken over as Coordinator it was in April of 80 I just moved into Boulder from south Texas and I turned on the radio station checking out the FM bells I was aware as I was always do in those days and I found this radio station playing weird music. And the first thing I thought was what station is that I want to check it out and they had an announcement they were looking for volunteers to train for any kind of work any kind of help they could get to the station. So I contacted the station arm who I talked to but they referred me to Michael Daragh issue you had on yesterday who was down on campus. And I went down to talk to Mike I had had some background in

radio not a lot somewhat. And Mike said hey let's go for it so I helped him out on access and radio for a while. And I want to do a little bit more I was doing some production work for I think it was a magazine is that what I think it was at the time. I see a magazine I did a environmental program each week called nature's way it ran about three to four minutes dealing with issues on campus what students involvement involvement with the environmental issues. And I wanted to do stuff down here you know here in the station and so I talked to Steve about it and Steve says Well Steve gave me a great job it was really exciting you put me on Sunday afternoons watching tapes Going Around and Around and Around and I got to sit there this is really exciting. You know I said I want you to learn the board and I thought well maybe I'll get to spin some records and one day I was in right before afternoon Santa turned it came on and the guy didn't show up whoever it was and I think it was Stephen Ross around that were down and they said hey you want to substitute And I said well I guess so so they threw me on their plane is these records and from there it led to a Tuesday morning sound

alternative program so that's how I became involved. That's how we make stars. That's right it's the thread of the familiar tale actually it was a lot of fun it was. I had been in the studio here in about six years so it really brings back a lot of good memories even the layout here is exactly the way I saw it last with all these records in front and as Steve said the phone number hasn't changed 4 4 9 4 8 8 5. Call me to make your pledge please the station's been going for 10 years going strong and it's really good to hear what's happening down here so. Well we do have some special gifts for you if you call now during this portion of our history this is good news history. Part 3 year 3 1980 to 1981 what's called the grim era. We talked yesterday and the day before about the Gerber stark era that it was intended because of because of the split that began to develop in the station. And so where we're coming up

on some very exciting tape here of those years and it's good to emphasize I think that at the same time all this political kind of unrest was going on at the station. There were some good programs coming out and bobs and Steve's programs that we just heard give you a taste of of what was going on. It just kept kept going volunteers kept walking in the door kept learning how to do radio kept being thrown on the Tuesday morning found alternative in this the station stayed on the air as a functioning pretty exciting radio station. We're still waiting for our first call during this segment 4 4 9 4 8 8 5 would love to give you a pair of tickets to go see Abbie Hoffman on May 21st Saturday May 21st at Chautauqua. And you know Abbie Hoffman is probably one of the more exciting speakers around at this point I just love his wonderful wonderful sense of humor.

He still hasn't lost that he's still right on about a number of things and not again a woman who's a promoter of this event has given us six pair of free tickets to give to you our listeners So we're waiting for our first call 4 4 9 4 8 8 5. Come on. You know I call it 2 4 4 9 4 8 8 5 now isn't a vote for the history of KGB. You mean you're voting for the future of KGB and you. That's very true and you know as we as we look back and it's kind of nice to say oh gee what a long strange trip it's been and how far we've come. But there's a future out there I mean we we for years look forward to a satellite dish. Well now it's here. And if you stand still then you're really backing up so let's progress let's move forward. 4 4 9 4 8 5. The future is waiting and it's in your hands so let's call now and put your money where your ears are. As we so often see for 4 9 4 8 8 5.

I had the pleasure of sitting next to Steve at the Denver Nuggets game last night who just happened to bump into each other. It's amazing there are 17000 people going out to say Nuggets game paying you know anywhere 15 18 20 bucks a shot for one night of entertainment two hours of professional basketball you know we enjoyed it we didn't have to pay to get in but that's OK. Oh you did. That's dubious at any rate. You know usually where there's no such thing as a as a free lunch here. We need your support we need money we got bills to pay. We know we gotta pay the phone bills we gotta pay the electric bills we gotta pay rent we have to pay salaries and a good part of that comes from you the listener We need you to take the responsibility. When you think of how you spend your entertainment dollars certainly there's room in your budget for Katie and you because you is more than entertainment it's information it's stuff you get things that are vital to

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$60 a year and you can put it on your automatic fund transfer there hopefully is one person that's going to say hey I want to support K.G. and you this is a person who has taken it on themselves to get the ball rolling in fact is it such a person. Is there a pledge being filled out there. Well what do you think you know that that wasn't the person. You know I think it's Wednesday it's lunch time. You don't have time. You know I have three minutes to make a phone card like I'm not getting a tan you can run in real quick. Yeah. You won't break stride there is it way out there. We have operators standing by. And you know the enthusiasm is here but the need is here and you know we know that you're going to come through for us. So call the number now 4 4 9 4 8 8 5 it's very easy to do. It's very necessary for you I mean think you know what this station is Think think what it is think what it means to you. Remember why you're listening because it's different you know because it informs you before because it provides that other perspective or that other sound alternative

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tickets to see Abbie Hoffman on Saturday May 21st that's a week from Saturday at Chautauqua. Great here's one person that I wish she could come here because you somebody who is blessed with the gift of gab and then has just an incredible stream of consciousness and he has wonderful stories he's been a community organizer for many years he's been in the media limelight and he knows how to work with media in fact he knows how to manipulate the media probably better than just about anyone who's come along in the last 20 years or so. And he's he's a very entertaining guy. Fact I don't when I started listening to FM radio which was back around one thousand nine hundred sixty six. One of the first this was in New York one of the first people that I heard on the radio was Abbie Hoffman talking about throwing dollars off the New York Stock Exchange and wearing his American flag t shirt on The Merv Griffin Show and doing all sorts of outrageous things to upset the established order at that time. And in his own way he's continued to do that

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delve into an era into a period of KGO news history that was bleak to say the least in fact it was worse than bleak it was silent for a while and really that's nothing we ever want to go through again. I can tell some stories about what happened to cage and you it was off the air because we had to kind of manage the building you know the key keep it secure. You know let people come in and it was. Weird time but I have an idea. You could tell it yeah you don't want to get you caught now 4 4 9 4 8 8 5 you can pledge and you could get the tickets to Abbie Hoffman and you could hackle Abbie Hoffman. That would be an exciting present day just like you know I'm doing this for you. Actually I have a good story that I'm going to tell after we get one more pledge and this would fall into this time period. January I believe the date was January 30th Nineteen eighty was the date or was it 81 do you know you have to be 21 when was Reagan shot.

Archer That's My Baby 81 I don't have that story. We had much of a I don't know why that's today. Yes dad that's part of what we're going to get to but I've got to get rid of it all right was 81. OK let's let's go to a tape that Peter Lang's Felder produced. Let's let's talk a little bit about Peter length. You recall him. We heard a little bit about him yesterday and I had to do a segment program. OK. Yeah he's been mentioned before and he was one of the Saturday he would have you know sound all bank you know as it turns out he was Friday afternoons. Fear of Fridays that turn into. Finally he was one of the original deejays and he also produced a number of pieces for kids. What are we going to hear Peter. Peter is an all around kind of typical Cajun you eclectic diverse kind of guy A Man For All Seasons. And Peter has been involved in a lot

of travels a lot of collecting using fact his father owned a music company that manufactured international music so he was exposed to all sorts of music from a very early age. And in his travels he went down to the south around Mississippi and Alabama and Georgia and got turned on to this gospel group called the I believe the Blind Boys of Alabama the Five Blind Boys or something like that. We'll hear it in the story and why this was one of the first pieces ever produced. That got played on ALL THINGS CONSIDERED and it's about an eight minute piece it's a terrific piece on this kind of obscure gospel group. That's what we're going to listen to you know now complete with Susan Stamberg and the action and out. And we have four lines open and we we certainly urge you could tell you plead with you beg you to give us a call here at 4 4 9 4 8

8 5 take advantage of this great premium a pair of tickets to see Abbie Hoffman on Saturday May 22nd for a 60 dollar membership and that's $5 a month in the plan. Help us out here folks. Indian summer heat envelops the south along with memories of late summer concerts in rural Georgia. A gospel group of Five Blind Boys of Alabama best known man in the small town but they've also been recognized nationally by fellow musicians and by a few big city audiences. After 42 years on the gospel circuit the Blind Boys continue to lead the way for other performers. Their names may never be household words. Clarence found in the field. GEORGE SCOTT And Jimmy Carter Well maybe that's the exception. But their influence has traveled to us through Ray Charles Jackie Wilson B.B. King Peter Lang.. Well

there heard one of those World Concerts He filed this report. Down along rural route 27 south of Columbus Georgia no more than 20 miles east of the Chattahoochee River and the Alabama state line smolder a series of small towns there named Lumpkin Blakely Colquitt And finally just 25 miles north of Florida Donaldsonville Donaldsonville is not unlike other small villages of Georgia or Alabama Florida or Mississippi. Except that on this day in this hundred eight degree heat with 70 percent humidity. Duncan Dillon Rose's amphi caliphate will play host to a Southern tradition a quietly kept national institution. The Five Blind Boys of Alabama for over forty two years. The Blind Boys have traveled the backwaters of America north and south and in diverging venues like L.A.'s Troubadour and New York's Carnegie Hall.

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Believe that. In the lower doorway he will get in the book there for the five things to be able to then do you know to go without. And hope for something better. You know this is the world all about. Night 47 on the eve of national recognition for the group that was to later inspire others quickly. Otis Redding and other music luminaries. The Blind Boys lost their sensational lead singer film a trailer he was one of the doctors saying that I think it was on the phone.

We were coming down from a method to his in the end to tap into that in the seat. And. I guess you know you get a peep when it's in the bank than he had been talking about and go on and tell them about how you wanted to find him a good he wanted to do that would do that no the league game down the set knew then we were not deleted. And. A man came in and found of the man he had a good and older there was just one of the things and we all put our hand on the gun we were playing around in and they grew and rounded the man thought to get the gold to boot. But he let one bullet in the magazine and then doing what all he could have been me it could have been even better and we were have go home to New York to do it. We will pop lead the blind boys the lead that they did and they would not be in the youth the youth he appeared to would mean if I would be going through that you know me as a you know one of them in the black.

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but you know the approximately 300 people from the 7 to 70 year olds are going anywhere. This is an annual event a tradition of almost half a century to be celebrated with family friends and neighbors. The Blind Boys of Alabama will rebound to the earth thing about bringing their lives simply Day by day. And everyone they touch. Listen. For National Public Radio. This is Peter build up and build your dream.

For this evening. But all things considered we have been reported tonight from member station WAGA met with the apple of the AM you Washington D.C.. New Boulder Colorado w h y Philadelphia program as well. Thank you Susan and all and thank you Peter Link's Felder for that report out of the past from the past I don't know how old you are you can't help us and thank you very much TED Klein and runa will Lensky for becoming renewed members of cage and you at the one hundred and twenty dollar level they listen all the time and their favorites radioactivity jazz and all things considered. Thank you very very much. They have already taken the Abbey Hoffman tickets as a premium as have Britain newel as has Britain. Boulder and Brit has pledged

$60 and he has also taken the Abbey Hoffman tickets he says he enjoys all the programming and we'd all like to think Tom and Betsy mowen of Boulder who have also taken the Abbey Hoffman tickets as a premium so we've given away four pairs of those tickets we have two more to give away. If you call 4 4 9 4 8 8 5. Right now Tom and Betsy like David Barsamian and hemispheres and the Pacifica news so thanks Tom and Betsy and Britt and Ted and Rona and that we've gotten the ball to grow David Raley for getting the right only you know everybody. And we're waiting for two more of you to call 4 4 9 4 8 8 5 become a member of KGO and you take advantage of a great premium pair of tickets to see Abbie Hoffman. Saturday May 21st at Chautauqua so and join us here as we celebrate 10 years of Boulder County Public Radio. And joining us in the studio David Graham Hi David Hi Marty good to see you again. Thank you for you

get those pledges. Oh yeah. I'll promise not to come back for another day. OK well if anyone wants to applaud that you can call us at 4 4 9 4 8 8 5. David I want to thank you very much for coming down I know that you you were feeling you should wear your flak jacket and we have been calling it the grim era. And after your name of course and you tell about how you became the manager of Katie and you because and we're trying to where we were all confused about the dates was it in April. I think you came to about the dates and I think it was in April but I that's my recollection tell you and I think it was like April 15th I left wasn't it was a very short tenure. My recollection is that one of the board members and now I can't remember who the board member's name was early Wald I think was on was neither head of the bureau was the chair the chairman of the board at that time called in sort of. From NPR Betsy Durenberger

suggested he that he and mine teen Clapper sort of come in and straighten out the station moralize and they called one day and ask if I would come to an interview that was held somewhere downtown I think in the old majestic savings building that's a restaurant now. Could we backtrack a moment you had already been involved with this station. As Yeah volunteer for what a year year and a half from now to you and you were doing what was the name of the program with your brother Radios 2 radios do when I were four of us that did that. A so-called comedy program I think there were there were some mixed opinion about that it had its moments. It definitely did. I remember it was it was a good show it was actually pretty good. There was your brother and Tom Swope and Don Beck and Don I think you're going to get up there on the western coast now. And your background had been with as the university liaison was that was that before kids you knew at once that was immediately before Kate genuine I've been you know

a media person for the president's office up there but I've been in broadcasting since about 1969 and had taken a leave of it there to do the other side of the fence. Anyway they called and said to come down would like to talk to you about working for the public radio station and you know having been on and being a fan of the. Excellent news programming you know folks don't remember but a decade ago ALL THINGS CONSIDERED and MORNING EDITION were quite a departure from traditional news. And we're just beginning to build a national audience for that. I came down and interviewed and not really knowing much about the station I didn't ask very good questions as one probably should when they're being interviewed for a job they ask me a lot of questions and apparently I passed the test on that. You didn't say for example am I walking into the lion's den. No I didn't. I wasn't smart enough to ask that. And yes I did walk into the lion's den. But I would have to say in

retrospect that what we did at that time although And Bob and I were often on opposite sides of the fence in those days but what we did at that time even though there were some human casualties involved we did pay off that quarter million dollar debt that we had on the initial equipment purchases that had been made. We went to great ways in paying off outstanding debts that had been around since the station first went on the air. Our only division ever came over personalities and I think as years go by those things fade. You know well it was it was personalities and so to some extent as I recall program philosophies or directions that the station should go in. Differences as to what would make a G and you successful and then different definitions of what was cagey and usage what meant what it meant for cagey and you to be successful was it could be measured simply in monetary terms. Or could it be measured in perhaps some other less specific kinds of terms.

And you know there were as many people as there were at the station there were that many different ideas you know it wasn't it wasn't just David Graham's philosophy and my philosophy there are you know hundreds of people there and everybody had a slightly different wrinkle to contribute you know. And that was one of the difficulties in that in that period in that you had the station had just lost what had been relatively stable management for the first three years and was going through a transition. And I think in retrospect that when you put yourself in that position of being that transitional figure you shouldn't magine that you're going to last that long. And I didn't last that long. And Bob helped make sure I did. Why if you know what I mean. Had it been otherwise you see I'd be interviewing Bob today. This is much more comfortable. You know what we're talking about the personalities and the different ideas that were holding sway at different times. It struck me yesterday as we

were speaking of the Gerber stark division that began to occur in the second year of new or began to really manifest itself I guess that. You know Kenny was saying Well John was sort of the mean Dad and wouldn't let him play any good rock and roll you know. And it's funny because I always saw John as sort of the expansive kind of guy who wanted to get everything on the radio and you know so maybe it struck me you know we mightn't have disagreed as much as we thought we did if perhaps we had just. Well who knows. Well I'll tell you a positive thing came out of it. Of that I think is real positive in retrospect is that when I came in a lot of people who had more history with the station than I did war. Disagreeing even amongst themselves about what direction it could take a lot of people knew what they didn't want to do. And if there was one of the good things that came out of my time is that by the time I left there had been a consensus formed and

people knew what they did want to do and I wasn't a part of that. That's fine but at least the intergroup came together and said OK we've gone through this 18 months of hell if you will. And we figured out what direction we want to go and I think in retrospect that was very positive. I mean you took a lot of crap. Let's put it that way from your from most of the volunteers and the way you just said that. I mean in a way you acted as a foil I guess for for bringing that together. You know a lot of waves and I'm not trying to kid you that I'm humble about this it was painful at the time. Yeah but. As years go by you know the scar tissue kind of tends to blend in with the rest of your skin. Time healing all wounds you know everything or is it wounding all he'll like it. Well let's. Well the two pieces of tape we have now are what's what's been called rebel radio and has come down through the years so that you're not going to make me listen to this again I mean I just got off the couch a couple years ago.

You're going to send me right back. Where we could go to finish it so you can leave and say well we are going to play that tape. And what I want to do is set us up for this momentous night and the following morning that night was the night of the Board of Directors meeting when it was decided to take a JNU off the air. And Bob was on the air. David Barsamian was there I'm not. We'll hear everyone's voice Steve is in sort of in the background David Mackintosh makes an appearance we'll hear some of this this tape. He was the one that was holding me down. Well this is as I recall it. I think Cathy Schmidt who used to do jazz in the evenings was on that night. I believe we were signing off after the jazz show. I think that's when we shot it down and I asked her to write a night. And we somehow word of this board meeting that

the station is going to be shut down it's spread via the you know people were calling each other and a group of us I don't remember everybody but maybe six or seven or eight of us just came down to the station and decided that we were going to keep it on the air. So that's what we did and I guess I was at the board. Yeah yeah you were the boy and you were the chairman of the board so to speak. And then the next morning David came in with the early and we had that tape and they shut off the transmitter. And then after we played these pieces of tape I'd like to talk about this. This will be the time to tell Steve's tale of what happened in that three weeks when the station was shut up and and how everyone came together which David just referred to. And in some sort of solid consensus in order to put the station back on the air again. So let's bring ourselves to this was

March 12th 1981. And was that it. I think that was the date. So let's talk about this awful Board of Directors Meeting David that that where this decision was made. I thought it was a fine board of directors. I didn't realize till I got to the station. I know the I have to tell you that I had a narrow charge when I came to KGO and you the station was a quarter of a million dollars in debt. NPR was excuse me not CPB was saying look you guys have to. Clear up your paperwork with us or we're going to pull our funding from you. And I I basically came in with those two charges you have got to keep the affiliation with the money in Washington and you've got to pay off the old debts. I managed to accomplish both of those. But in the process of doing that.

We had other troubles arise. I was not focusing on some of the things that Bob and the other folks at that time needed I was focusing on. All I could see was we've got to pay this debt off or we are going to lose our. I think it's called accreditation or affiliation I can't remember what the term is. We did accomplish that so that's a that's a good thing. I asked the board at the point at which we had paid off the debt we had paid everyone salaries through the end of that month of which you know in those days I think there were five of us that were paid staff that we were not going to be able to make the next payroll. And that I didn't think we should continue if we could make payroll that we should turn the station off reorganize find the money to put the staff back on and come back with a new face. Now interestingly enough that's kind of what happened it just wasn't the scenario that I'd imagined. I mean the station did

reorganize. I left the majority of the board left at that time. A new force emerged and reorganization occurred. The only difference between my scheme and Bob's scheme was I thought we should go off the air and we shouldn't and he prevailed. Well I think just before going to recreate I think that was a little more to it than that. If my memory serves me correctly and I think it's important that it be said that the Another difference was there was a definite concern. It's not that just that we didn't want to take the station off the air we were very concerned that if the station was taken off the air that when it came back it would sound very very much different I recall there was talk of changing the call letters of really pretty much wiping out K.G. and you as it had been. And the real fear among And it wasn't just myself you know I'm here so you're talking about it with a group of volunteers. Our real fear was this that the station would

come back sounding. Perhaps you know like something in that case like a sea of art has become now and that's something that was not it's not something that we wanted and I go back more for Doris Day and Franks and I know that I'm your big Sinatra. But that was that was our real. That was our real concern that this station was going to be you know pretty much wiped out as we knew it and returned as something totally different. Pretty much unrecognizable with new call letters and a totally new sound so that was the main concern and Bob's right. Bob's absolutely right I had a much different vision than the vision of the majority of the volunteers would have sworn that classical was that would that would that have been the direction you would have wanted to go. I think at that time there was some. Marketplace for that. That has since been filled by Casey at Farnham on a more of an around the clock basis and you have to remember that I came from 10 years of background in commercial radio which all of my

training said look if you're if you are not producing revenue to keep your station going in its current format and Steve will attest to this he's been in commercial radio now trying to off the air. Given a new image and bring it back on and see if that works but it be easy listening doesn't work you go country right. Right exactly. Another point I think that that probably should be made is that the communication between that that the volunteers whom Bob represents and in this little scenario didn't understand what sort of financial situation the station was actually in. Is that true. Well my recollection is that in a sense we didn't really trust the figures that we were hearing the words. We are being told well the real reason the station is being taken off the air is because there's this financial crisis. And we said well hey we have enough people here to run the station on virtually no money there's enough volunteers around that we don't have to pay these

salaries. We can do it for really Barebone we can raise the money even amongst ourselves and through you know through community meetings which is in fact what we did while the station was off the air to keep it going and not have this radical shift towards what we thought might become a sort of fine art fine arts radio so really what case CFR has become because we sort of knew where our early Walt who was the chairman of the board at that time we had a pretty strong sense of where he was coming from which was the Minnesota Public Radio model he had moved here from Minnesota just around this time that this was all happening. And that was pretty much his model of what public radio should be. And we had a pretty strong sense that that's the direction that would have been taken had we not you know exerted the pressure that we did. You know you mentioned something earlier Marty that. It goes along with the whole thing. The issue of communication. There wasn't a great deal of

community communication between the board of directors and the volunteers or the listener members at any real stage of this game. And so as we went into it there was you know that there was a chasm and it didn't get any closer didn't come together I mean the dialogue never really never really opened up. And that that coming together that coalescing that happened during the month that was off the air I think has changed the way the station runs sense that and I think you're right and I think that it's a syndrome in a in media every every bit of every form of media I've ever been in that these people are supposed to be professionals or at least very interested in communication fail to communicate at their worst. Yeah it's sort of like the doctor whose kid has the measles and no one notices how much time do we have Marty. Well we have 37 minutes and no we don't want to say one

thing while we were talking about this that although. Bob and David Barsamian and Eric who I just saw as I came in although there were we had very basic disagreements philosophical disagreements. And I don't think any of the parties had any problem in getting the hair up on our back and defending our positions on those. I was never personally treated by anyone. I mean we clashed on the air and we clashed regularly on certain subjects but as far as staff meetings and staff meetings but as far as as a human being to human being I think there was a there was a sense left at the time. There was a certain. Deep seated acrimony in this and I don't think that was true on a person to person basis. No I mean I can remember you know running into you in the street or in a restaurant you know sort of

away from the turmoil and you know we were basically civil toward you. I just somebody in fact well Glenn Glenn Gerber called and he questions the amount of the debt you've been talking about a debt of a quarter of a million dollars. And he questions that I can't the Whoever took this measure to put the commas in a funny place but I can't tell whether he says the debt was not a quarter of a million but more like 25000. I think we had twenty five thousand twenty hundred I think is what we had it. I think we had 25000 and you know we had to get Glenn on the phone. There was we had an outstanding equipment debt you know we had paid off the suppliers in town who had supplied us with equipment. The other thing that we were in chance of losing was the money that was provided by the funding branch in Washington because we weren't meeting our They had a set of standards I don't know if they still do that you had to have a certain certain budget and a certain

number of pay number of paid staff and you have to be on the air a certain number of hours and I don't know what the criteria were in those days. These days it's one hundred fifty thousand dollars cash budget. Five paid staff and 18 hours a day a day and you know I think I mean that's great you've got ones down there preparing the weather for tonight. He's got the radio on. Hi Glenn. Well we have a mind of our you know what I need to know and I have held up on that night and rebel radio. I think there are a lot of questions about the money you know we had Sue in Synanon here yesterday and her perspective is the bookkeeper as to the financial crisis in the second year there I had with with what others thought and perhaps this is a question that will never get straightened out. And also to bring it all into the current context the really important thing is that we're here right now we're on the air and we survived that. It's been you

know seven eight years since that happened. And here we are talking about it and I think that's the really important thing that we're still here with open microphones and a transmitter that works and we're broadcasting to Boulder County and beyond and that's what that's what really counts the number by the way. Is 4 4 9 4 8 8 5 for another 10 years of community radio. We had to go to the tape. Let's go to rebel radio this is. March 12th 1981 complied with the bill. But anyway this is ridiculous. Like every day I go to the station every time there are two different stories you know from the established officer there I hear everything everything everything working out. Nothing to worry about. All these rumors that just then I hear from you and other people that the hope

is that the station is going under it's going to disappear for a while I mean. Well that is the fact that came out of David Mackintosh who is a member of the board of directors is also here tonight and he was at the meeting it was proposed that the station close down for an indefinite amount of time and it was unanimously agreed upon by the board of directors members who were present by right by the five members of the board of directors who were there strictly financial reasons that they gave them as it were. The actual reason for why they weren't right I believe the reason is that they say there is not enough money to pay salaries there's not enough money to keep the station on the air. Of course the station is faced with the prospect of having to move out of the current Studios in a very very short period of time. Apparently they feel that the problems right now both financial and logistical are insurmountable and the station needs to go off the air. And again indefinitely no. You know they may there may be a plan to bring it

back on it some later date but I imagine you know once the station is silent it might be a little bit difficult to get back on the air. No one. One problem I have is that I don't think that people are. I think that the people who are paid positions there have not been mobilized people I mean there's no sense of urgency I have been for the last month hearing stories from them that there is nothing to worry about. We don't really need to you know work really hard in helping to get a place for anything like this I have not been encouraged or felt that that there has been enough to encourage many of the staff to get out there and hustle and you know help keep this going it's been from the perspective I think that you know things are going wrong and the thing to do and this is you know I find to be totally frustrated because you know I you know volunteer to put myself in several other areas that I've gotten very little feedback and you know

I'm pretty pissed about it. Well I think we all are. Not only that but this made it seems what precipitated this was that a grant that was expected to come from the federal government from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting did not come through it was denied. The station and this evidently sent the powers that be in to I guess panic is the only word because to suddenly decide to take a station off the air certainly sounds like pressing the panic button. So that seems to be the immediate reason for this move. From what we understand they possibly planned Well Stephanie K. who sat in here before was told to take the station off the air at one and then there was some question it may have been maybe put back on the air tomorrow at 6 but then definitely would go off after the morning edition at 9 o'clock. David Greene the station manager was going to come down here just before 9 o'clock and make some kind of

formal announcement and then pull the plug. That's all the information we have and we do have somebody else on the line so let's put them through. This is Kid Jan you in Boulder You're listening to the history of Kadian you're in we're in year three. Well I think we all agree with you and we sort of mobilized within the last hour the eight or nine of us that are here. We don't like calling people this late at night but it is an emergency and hopefully we will be able to mobilize it and I think it's the sincere desire of everybody in this room at least and I'm sure of hundreds if not thousands of people in Boulder to keep the station on the air and as soon as they find out. Hopefully we will be able to mobilize. OK we're going to do it again. OK thanks Gary. Bye bye. Hi you're on the air. One thing would be tremendous. Well thank you. You know this is all new We're sort of trying to catch up with ourselves

and you know I found out about this I'd say about 90 minutes ago at most. We as I say we don't even know what we're going to do we're going to have to talk about it probably on through the night and see what we can get going. I urge you and all the listeners to tell all your friends if you don't want to call anybody at 1 a.m. you know do it tomorrow morning as soon as possible tell him to tune into KGO new and hopefully they'll be hearing somebody here either talking or playing music tomorrow morning. And if not I don't know what we'll do but we'll have to do something. If you have any ideas. Point blank. Well I think this perhaps would be a good point David. You have a list

of the board of directors since you did what why don't you. We'll go read you a list of the board of directors. This is a very distinguished list. You know it's OK that Mike that Mike's work and you probably shouldn't call him to know. Yeah we want to keep the laughter and giggling to a minimum. Early Wald is the chairperson of the board of directors. Howard Davidson who is currently not in the United States and did not participate in the vote tonight David Mackintosh who is probably in the next room voted Montane Clapper voted Helen Masterson voted when Roth was absent. David OBRIEN voted. Robert Jones was absent and Sandy Arnold was absent. So the vote was five to zero. In terms of getting in touch with people those are names of the board of directors and you know

perhaps those are names you could look up in the phone book. I would say early Wald chairman of the board w a l d is one month Clapper who is another those are probably the two most influential you can reach Martin Clapper at. K. CFR which is Public Radio in Denver. And in terms of any kind of committee or organization that we've set up I don't know if we can give you a number right now but we'll you know keep in touch and what can I say drop us a note here for now but keep keep it keep in touch and you'll definitely know if this station is taken off the air. I'm sure somehow we'll get the word out if we have to use other media excuse me other means of media posters newspapers whatever we can I know that there are enough people out there who are willing to support the station and the ideas of community broadcasting. Right. Well it's unfortunate that

the management of this station including the board of directors has to see it that way. And we I personally and this is a just a personal opinion don't think that it's necessary to take the station off the air. There are many other reasons and maybe we'll get into them as the night goes on about why this action is being taken. It's not necessary though. The station is in deep financial trouble but I think if we stay on the air we can probably work our way out of it. But I'm not exactly sure on the general public what happened. No really finding out about. Well it's a very good point. It's always been kind of a traditional us versus them situation the US being the volunteers in the blood and guts of the station and them unfortunately being on the board of directors and ever since the stations got on

the air nearly three years ago regardless of who's been on the board of directors there's been limited if any communication between the board and the volunteers. And this is the epitome of that lack of communication. You know a few years ago there was the Saturday Night Massacre and someone mentioned a little earlier that something like Kristol the board meeting was scheduled for Wednesday March 18th. It was suddenly changed to tonight. Well actually last night Wednesday March 11 and it was moved to a rather obscure location a location that many of us were not familiar with. And I think that sort of contributed to this kind of clandestine activity. You know what I think might be a good idea if if one of the people in the room would volunteer perhaps to take this call off the air maybe we could start.