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But clearly that if a transitional period develops. With a Palestinian identity on the basis of an economy which is stable which is a form of Commonwealth effectively which can deal with the Arab world and potentially in the event of peace deal with Israel. We don't see why the extremely imaginative but Astin people should become political. But the but I do because of the Israelis claim is going to be up sort of a. Pedestal and state is being developed by them today not least of all an economic guns and a concert of 4000 but up to $1000 per capita. When you consider the unemployment that is going to be caused by a bit of economic measures and I mean it's just a question of July and school holidays what happens to many many young people who are going to be driven out. I mean. You wrote in front of Paris about optimistically about a settlement as if it actually could be arranged.

What's the essence of talk about that and then talk about peace in toto and then talk about the other thing. Whatever you say Mitch. Oh. In the current Foreign Affairs you write rather optimistically it strikes me about a settlement of the conflict in the east as if it really were possible. Could you outline the essence of. My optimism is based on the. Central location of Jordan between a country to our north with a friendship alliance of the Soviet Union. A country to our west Israel where they're about to be renewed strategic alliance with the United States. In the sense that we have these two agreements and the polarization of superpower interest on two sides of the West Bank question as well as on two sides of the Lebanon question. Either we move forward into further polarization. All we get back into the question of substance how do we

focus on the essentials. Self-determination for the Palestinians. The acceptability of acquisition of territory by force are principles in common with the phone plans of the Falkland Islands. And our hope is that the United States will be aware of before it's too late and that means possibly a matter of months. The thought of ization is going to develop in the area in the Near East area possibly with the Iraq Iran War of the Middle East area and something simply has to be done. There is now a gesture of in that direction with the new autonomy negotiated and fed banks coming to the area to speak about stopping settlements and giving greater authorities to the people of the West Bank and that means all the West Bank including Jerusalem. But I just don't know whether this is going to be timely enough considering the very aggressive posture of the militants and the Israeli government and particularly the Defense Minister Sharon. So I suppose my

optimism is really an attempt to point to what could be done. If the essentials of focused again and those essentials are basically as I said in the article linked to United Nations Resolution 242 and the possibilities of once again reiterating those sacred principles of non acquisition of territory by force and the recognition of the need to disentangle of the 15 years of what the United States still recognizes as belligerent occupation UN Resolution 242 and in some sense. Camp David in a real sense can we start again. UN Resolution 242 and it will since Camp David was based on the notion of peace for territory. Does Jordan still. Go by that formula do you think Israel does and you think the PLO does. Israel has the option of either of severing. Links with the Arab world through closing those bridges on the Jordan and accepting a

binational state tomorrow. All of continuing according to the World Zionist Organization planned for the next three years to expel Arabs and accepting to become a garrison state isolated from the area around it. The third option which is. Stated in twofold to uncalled for in the Camp David Accords is for Israel to disgorge the territories. And to accept to live in peace on the basis of the development of a stable entity in that buffer zone of the West Bank and Gaza. So whether the Israelis are prepared to move on this issue is linked to whether a public debate can be made on the settlement question in Israel itself with the militants and a majority at the present time it seems to be very unlikely and with the United States continuing to Halley it. The militants knew all of the strategic alliance and new promises of aid. I don't see what they see is in it for them is it. The piano is on record in the past two days

is calling for a transitional period on the U.S. a provision in the occupied territories and expressing a readiness to recognize the charter of the UN and there's additions calling for. Withdrawal. As far as we're concerned we were engineers of the United Nations Resolution 242 and firmly believe in the applicability of this resolution have said time and again we are prepared to recognize Israel but the question today is which Israel do we recognize is that the Israel of 242 or the Israel of the settlements or the Israel of an ambitious ever growing plan of an accession expansion into the Arab world. For months now it has seemed that war. Is imminent in southern Lebanon and there are elements in Israeli government that would like to. To have a final war with the PLO arm strength and drive its political strength I suppose they

say into Jordan. How does Jordan feel about the prospect of war and also of the PLO being driven by the Israelis into joining if the Israeli military can pull off a lightning war and then open in a matter of days they may get away with destroying some of the infrastructure of the PLO. But they will never destroy the concept of a Palestinian national movement and this is something that must be understood. Secondly the idea of finding repositories. For Palestinians in the Arab world and outside Palestine is very much the shot on concept. And as I said either he accepts to co-exist with better stadiums within the context of a free West Bank and. Gaza. Or he throws the problem elsewhere. But throwing the problem elsewhere will be inviting effectively the kind of radicalism the

Israelis came to fear. Unfortunately it seems to us that the Israelis prefer to live with pseudo radical neighbors as in the Lebanon with that. Grouping insulted Lebanon which supports Israel then to live with moderate neighbors in terms of peace. If you'll recall the peace plan was responded to by eight new settlements and in a sense the annex ation of the Golan was a reaction to the peace plan which basically says that moderation is bad for militant government in Israel. So I think this idea of trying to solve the problem elsewhere demographically create misery and instability in the area is a very short Israeli policy and certainly does not spell stability for the area as a whole may give them time may give them a few more years. To pursue such policies but will never make them acceptable as a member state of a community of states in the Near East. Finally you're seeing a lot of influential Americans on this trip.

What are you telling them. Short term the Reagan administration ought to be doing in the Middle East this spring in the summer. Short term we believe that the U.S. administration has to reinvest. In the integrity of its image become to move from self-determination and human rights during the Carter administration to focusing on hard nosed considerations with Israel. The third strongest military nation in the world today and the tenth on the industrial development list of military hardware claiming that it's the underdog in the face of. The other countries and particularly Jordan which it's. Very much. You're seeing a lot of influential Americans on this trip in and out of government. What are you telling them. The Reagan administration must do this spring and summer. Short term in the Middle East. The Reagan administration has to focus on the integrity of its image among people

who want peace in the Middle East whether they are Israelis or Arabs. And to do that we have to recognize that we can move from the cup to an emphasis on self-determination and human rights. So important in the Philippines today to hardnosed RTG considerations which give Israel that I to own and develop over 4000 surface to surface missiles of 1000 sophisticated surface to have missiles capability of the third strongest country in the world today and at the same time claim to be the underdog. There has to be an even handed image developed not on the basis of the continuing on past in the autonomy talks where Israel continues to expel atoms and to create tension. But on the basis of the substantial issue. Does the United Nations have a role in terms of United Nations 242. Does the United States subscribe to this role. If it does does the principle of full peace full full withdrawal. Does the principle of attempting to works towards lasting

stability in the Near East region apply. There are so many fires around us the Iraq Iran war is one of them. Over 36000 people were killed in fighting in the past few weeks in that context. It surprises us the due US media has not focused on this but can focus on the deaths of a few tens of Englishmen and Argentina as sad as it may be in the context of the fulcrums human tragedy has taken place in taking place in the Middle East which is must by the Israeli lobby and its influence in this country and we have to get back to the objectivity needed in the days ahead. Thank you. The first name involved Christopher because the. University of London is the leading university and that is to you know studies and you have to do. Unfortunately that the Dutch telling as if they see that it's an Irish name from the west of Ireland.

We should have Palestinian Arabs and that is news that is in a political context as well as they're going to look like they have driven Israel killed or just mad by focusing on the Israeli out of. Archaeological sites. You know what to do if neither of them is going to come to see images of why all this fuss about Jerusalem after all. Jerusalem is a city of God. I said well this is the crowning glory there's only one problem with it he said was that there's a big it has monopolized build. In your article in Foreign Affairs you write optimistically it seemed to me about a settlement in the Middle East as if it really were possible.

Explain the essence of it. Once more in your foreign affairs Hochul you wrote optimistically it seemed to me about a settlement in the Middle East as if it really were possible can you explain the essence of it. UN Resolution 242 and in a sense. Camp David are based on a formula of peace in exchange for territory. Does Jordan still subscribe to that. Do you think Israel still does. And does the PLO subscribe to the. UN resolution to enter UN Resolution 242 and really Camp David are based on a formula that exchanged peace for territory. There's Jordan still subscribe to

that idea on the West Bank. Do you think Israel does. And does the PLO. For months now it has seemed that war is imminent in southern Lebanon. There is a school of thought in Israel that wants to destroy the military base of the PLO and drive what is left into Jordan even into power in Jordan. How does Jordan feel about that. You're seeing a lot of influential Americans in and out of government. On your trip here what are you telling them. Short term the Reagan administration must do in the Middle East. Ok done.