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People you know when you start to talk and look at this world you know is OK oh Obama's president but you know the you know you start to say well who is a black man and I don't know if you seen my book The Right mistake but no mistake it's the third of the Socrates for love stories. And one of the things that Socrates does is he actually becomes a philosopher he gets a house he starts bringing people in. They're sitting around a table on Thursday nights and they said let's discuss the problems of the world so we can do is this and no we can't but we could at least talk about it. And so one night somebody talks about black people and there are all kinds of people in the room and Starkey says tomorrow night I want every black person in this room to come back and we're going to talk about something and all the black people come back the next night and he says to me says well what's a black person. And you know every every single person in a room had a different answer. The really dark skinned people say I'm the black person everybody hates me to really light skin people they say some else one guy says well I'm a black man I said No man you a faggot you know that you can't you know black man

you know and they go Oh it goes on and on and on you know it's like like the notion of you know I mean if you ask a pygmy what a pygmy is pygmy knows if he has what to say what I want to see on the side with some of the people who know what they are. You go to Japan so what's Japanese they can tell you and they can say they know Chinese that I know Korean and I know what a Japanese I can I can smell one. They'll say to themselves and whether they can or can't I don't know but they'll say it. And so I think the notion in America is that we've actually gone beyond race but we don't know it. You know we've gone beyond race but we don't know we live in this matter racial society and we're kind of learning it. We're Clemmie really one of the great educators have been hip hop you know when great educators have been hip hop because you know it it just crossed all the lines and crossed all the national borders and it went everywhere. You know and couldn't be stopped. And I think that it's it's you know I'm not happy or unhappy about it I'm

just like it's something that we have to know and we have to deal with and we have to understand. And there's a great deal of resistance toward which is why people are called post-racial.