American Experience; The Murder of Emmett Till; Interview with Richard Heard, classmate

i think it is as williams received some ideas on the phone and the union to but you made me feel what was it that was uh oh that i like to be around he wasn't funny valentine oh they always told jokes yellow suitcase a job just like the tail and damn it was really a copy love to make people laugh don't fall on a number of vehicles for the first that would jump on this the last imperial gym class and emmett till will end up on the air the black line on the gym floor mats you will split wood for the immigration measure

up to was mabel will actually allows know start making is going well just waves of fat role in any event has broken so i'm an old gm would go if he is a connecticut the look physically you know we do and it was was chugging sometimes and some of this is a war where the look penguins and that was the end his relatives or had a high pitched voice for his age of twelve thirteen fourteen at that time and of course our voices were changing argues heavy it was henry most advise cosmos doesn't scare me basically he was a joint ticket but the stones' way because he was gonna get it wanted

to blend in an immediate end we love france were all college graduate school and he stuck it in the midst of the staunchest of course when they're excited and it was a small small consolation from what we are excited sometimes in which starts to me remember how you heard that in the tape into only a certain number and my neighborhood there was a drugstore take years ago storms on east sixth century between lightly and show why and owes a mom and pop drugstore pharmaceutical prescriptions a park was sort of ice cream and knickknacks sometimes the country and in the way until she had well actually first

summer about was a kid and i'm a james will still so james said that him again kill and amino was its devastating because we're all about to go into a a lot of the last year in grade school establishment and will open for dinner because the genuine would graduate and i think when a player ball and soon after that several days maybe a week and must tapers drugstore window jet magazine published the pictures by as you live in a coffin and it was grotesque i mean it was just a boom i couldn't sleep at night watchman was a hit the named emmett kelly and so there wasn't a college i couldn't deal with the name and animals these with his innocent costumes who judges up but i live with that that was traumatic for me from four

months i'm a potential song put down their stories about when it did happen to these screens and enabled people notice supporters are as result of holiday you know i didn't go broncos episode picture of a war going on there are some were kids and they were the day go but atala and i had seen enough of the wind and that jet magazine pictures of ethnic remember layaway but i know when we were in gm laugh and have a good time and i think about the times when he hadn't even invited about how sometimes been playgrounds he lived about from the sky and it was that summer that will play was something that was lost and so he's a man who ritual

went to my house and they and so stable and literally sew just cool it was good you know they have school psychologist that that they needed a second we i need some help now this happen right before school was to store it was that they will is women's work undone i guess we went to school so weeks after the murder had taken place and know there was a still in the school psychologist do your politics affected you it's been or chicago like that time in your business and how you can get a sense of what would in chicago was like ah we lived in what is called was with long and at that time the african americans go

after poultry because rural women go beyond that and then the east of cars roll was caucasian male at that time puerto rican so in a little enclave because you went south of sony for st louis no white folks living here and we know i'm gay enclave and ireland didn't come in contact with any other people going after americans in the middle and they would just won't school go to all the years an aunt and our own white folks whose win without trial or in one time when gas flares and when a no man's land the floss lives off the treadmill tracks which were skilled because i'm really interested in learning and the bible is useful rox anderson spikes and the stuttering has won nevada move but in for so does this literary sort of just

let go wasn't anything that that would've prepared to know someone like you from chicago chicago someone to vote for the south unless his pants hit the parent probably not a look at the account of exactly what happened in the lead accused of whistling at a white woman that's something that they're in parliament on how does your reaction these are counting their own i'm sure was not malicious but it was probably just the end this common this time was a wrong place known to the global was like oh damn again alice is used for prayer has pressed brennan four i'll say yes certainly also like people he probably just really like anyone else but close why would we didn't have that exposure to see what people in different

levels will move on the story was a picture of a white a white girl was selling to people but you wonder woman's was probably the picture that came with the wild because in those days when barlow it there was just a picture and sometime woman sometimes a man and that was from the storm a promotional pictures who was so you could see on the placid in a while on the show through if you put a car or pigeon but you know what we just were on so he wasn't shown all column and probably going is a statue of the public heard that early he didn't trouble could possibly

until it in one group is protesting wars there when so when the store this week with whom that could evolve they're british to me as the late eighties and looking for music from a room it insulated me the hit list of nineteen fifty four fifty five and it seemed like you know it's a time of romance is coming the river level yes that was a good time because were a lot of guys listen to representative moon glows well the coasters moment you take that john trumbull middle groups where we would try to get four meals we try to spaniels would try to imitate them

by denouncing the groups in yemen and the people here but doesn't stand on street lighting pull ups and to start singing we did that and it's fun time because we go to parties and minority party you've got to pay whatever your waistline detained so it was getting aleppo as you got real good at that time to me this was like the sort of the end of winter likely supporters and open and grandin slow workers and it was an awful lot of fun so the beginnings of rock n roll the soundtrack of the soundtrack and as you probably all know it when it was frozen chicken off white folks and he had to take a lot of those rhythms from a lot of black entertainers into an armored but in a popular lee a second

round the migration visit came of church sam cooke use the same way the church is really didn't ms coleman do you remember the last time you saw that sign was that it was the last time was probably the summer early summer before and sort of the moment of the year the question will be is this it yes the last time i saw was probably early summer before he was murdered on that was probably early july of that same year because we didn't know he was gonna go away go south for the summer and this is the roaches and so the last time we saw in oregon and of course less than we would be your bottom were given where

we think the album the lesson out of the vivid colors and the only thing the good that came out of the meeting ah good that probably came out of emma's where was the realization of the plight of black folks in this country a problem that i don't think that was it catalysts and foremost i'm going to focus in on the injustices that will propel the true to some people and i think affecting so young and so brutally murdered that it focused but folks into a direction where we can all think about changing the way americans to pass on because not long after that of course boys bus boycotts and alabama to

place and i think you know what to do with that and we just that was true natalie moore in chicago the law places you could meet downtown chicago store first restaurants while big hotels on his words are so his death of course open to change yeah that was one day and some of them the summer we were playing in the playground and the clash playing ball bunch of guns and there was going to be about the intangible that was done about twelve and a block and a half from school anytime you want for lunch he's a common was recently and

i clearly remember that the gaza his kitchen was right in the middle of their apartment and those window where the kitchen table set it was was wrought iron tables with the bitter of kroll ran that and because we're lonesome a whole and loosening their sit alone in a table in the senate and we're looking out the window and just talking and joe cronin was till was snow and made some bonus elders and i think here it was not that was the lonely and we get the torch to it which was awful good causes a hot day and was very delicious all it was common that it just like people mr franzen i don't remember i'm having any enemies own he was well liked and dozens every was a jokester who liked to make people laugh and enjoy his company you were

really thinking about that day what i meant by his mom in the water twice oh why was alive and she was a pleasant moment she was among a bull session mother and after his death we met several times and i was going to see her she had changed a lot and she still a nice person what you want whose religion is questioning obama's behalf the demand in trouble i know not all lesser is really doing mischievous things that is most of us that might draw a rubber band class at some point though or take a bit more flip it it's in my mind that that will select like that but he was a really good it was militias that his own religious

article for them and their lives are and he was the kind of kid you might not buy a culture of the self i will not logical to sell because he did not see or feel that the restrictions on he was a free spirit he didn't feel that it should be of boundaries only knows what a moron he was in a market but he would probably had difficulty calling someone yes and also the mandolin he was not disrespectful but he would triumph and he would try to see that we work and probably have been told he had to say yes i'm also proud to say i was not going to get the snow and to use a car i get that

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