Rock and Roll; Interview with Bootsy Collins and Bernie Worrell [Part 2 of 3]

All seven. OK we're back. Yeah yeah yeah yeah oh yeah. A little bit about that. But you know don't sound the stuff now it's like you know it's like it sounds like this particular keyboard I don't know if you know you're supposed to. Whatever. But anyway this particular keyboard you know it's like I first get what I have been over and I came back you know and you know and like I mean it sounds like they listened to everything Bernie play and program you know his record program. You just talk to

me. What are you doing here. Through and it was amazing to me what they're doing with this new stuff and it's like the new rock. I got some some rack gear that I'll actually bring out with my old stuff but I guess in the studio this is get like go get a booty Bab you know these are presets you know. It's got a space base preset and it's just they've just taken those things and is doing different things with it in this like you know is their version of it is just like the band's version. New bands version of fall. Yes as you know from the sources. And. You know it's not there yet and it's just you know be nice if they could a book Barney's name on there you know that's being addressed. But those are the times of this camera that's going to happen now. Yeah. Yeah.

That's. Come to show. Watch me. Yeah I mean. Just about every time we crossed. OK we got the first one. But he was able to.

Faster I guess. And well yeah yeah. Oh OK. And Barry was OK so that. Was all right. Yeah I mean he was able to. Show me. What I showed him. Oh yeah yeah yeah. But because it was all in the same time you know it was all in the same time and Bernie's trying to be you know lightweight humble but I go I'm just like you know this boy was coming to check him out you know they would definitely check him out and you know he takes it. You know you don't want to you know he's a humble cat but I'm humble too but I can I can take on defense for him because I could do a better for him than I can for myself but it was like a do for him. Yeah yeah. Well let me let me play some more Nick because he is just like.

He is a perfect example. OK. Every time I was done with Paloma mostly it was like real bait. OK I was like Right you know real bass. Then we didn't record flashlight. OK. In this particular time period Bernie has done messing with you know based on a movie you know and it's before get really popular you know because we had been recorded and nobody had been doing that. So Bernie started doing his thing what I would do and he's die love Annette. And then he said I don't like you. He even started doing an on the move right. So nearby star grew going on as I say yeah and enjoyed want to just try it on his record you know. Flashlight which we had for the rubber band. But we decided since I had all of my records that was going on because over the record flashlight became parliament song. Bernie came in and did you know and now with a whole another story a whole nother and in bass player

guy good man you know. Yeah it was a whole another. One Nation One Nation. And then you had your gas man. I mean you know I'll start going out and of course take any credit you know but it was cool. What was that. Well you know actually. We don't have you don't have to move. I mean the movie everything. That. I could you put it in. They got a good. This is this is the imitation of it. You know. Give him a little bit of life. OK.

Too much I know. OK. Now but that's that's what he has started on and put it on that record flashlight it in a card on my wall you know the bass player. You know looking real you know you know I mean you know and I think I was always one of them you know. Yeah yeah. You know what. I would say. Well. The claim might be for TV it's superstition right. Right. I recorded Chamar the finest awful process you know because you were doing which is to collect that was like the beginning of the. Yeah so you know it was a couple that I had before flashlight but flashlight I think would really a

major thing to get there by kind of upset me. Yeah that's why I want that real quick. Very much thank you. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. I think it was real. It was real and we done it. I mean. All the people music. Yeah OK. People say oh the people outside. OK. About people. So I think it was like it was I think it still last because it was a real. You know and with real people doing it. And we didn't know what the heck we would know and it was just this is what we do. He was doing what he do. I was done what I do George was done what he did and it just you know again I happened to work you know. And then you know just did talk about cross

a we didn't even know to record. Don't do anything. You know we were just happy to be doing what we was doing we weren't concerned about records being you know. We were thinking more like musician that George might have been thinking about it but I could say we had not a clue about no record signal right now hit record even a day. So now right here right now we don't known about you know all we know how to do is what we do. That we had the opportunity. Oh what was important to me. The question was what was. It. All. I could. Recording wasn't wasn't as important to me as actually being to get all stays active the way we

do. That was am and that was that was the desire. You know he's Yeah I mean you know because recording was there and we get into it and we learn how to start doing it. But we didn't know you know it was real good of like getting on stage was and getting on stage was our way of. Here we are we able where we could use you mean we could actually do this all day. And now I know why not start getting paid for it. It was like to go from that feeling like before. From the funk of that feeling yeah to translate to the way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's the first thing. It was just then you see today today kids don't think like here's here's a like they hate and want to get paid. That's their mango. Our whole thing was we were just glad to be able to do what we were don't you know because we were just hoping maybe eventually maybe one day we might get two or three dollars here and there. We were looking at that like you know it was

don't be like us serious you know cat you know because I was looking at maybe making $200 a week for the rest of my life. I hadn't something else was going on. Oh OK. Oh yeah. Yeah that's good. Yeah. Yes. Oh yeah definitely. James Brown University for sure. I mean I think there was probably rhetoric a lot in this. Probably the best thing that ever could happen to me at that time because you

know was doing like the riots was going on. One of the. Malcolm X all that was going on and we was on the streets you know breaking in you know and. We know one of the you know and then James Brown was in town you know his record company was there. King's records and bass being so interested in the music. You know we just want to meet the band want to be over there check it out so we stop bugging you know we became PES you know. So bad the one that took us off the streets and we stopped there on out I'll start being interested in Katmandu James Brown Man you know. So it kind of got you know turn out of a net into more about the music of we had the opportunity there. They gave us OK with Michael if we can get in there you know. You know I'm going home and the band happened and you know so it kind of turned our entrance. So I think there was you know was that

something needed to happen or else we don't wind up in jail or something you know so that was pretty much right on. Yeah. While. The radio I tell you I tell you what really get me was the drumming. And the syncopation between the bass and guitar. I was blown away by the band because I had met him for a year and they kind of took to the air by often really want to do a pest you know get away boy you bother me you know and we get so used to people you know. So we had the attitude oh you know

me I'm a bee in your face you know. So we had to manage at it. So you know it didn't matter if people didn't vote for it you know even though day that was around you know at the time that uses you know. So but they kind of you know grab a listen to rap. You want to hear this. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. But we never knew one day to actually be in a van. Well the way we want to be in a band with James as we did we start being like studio musicians over records and we were recording all the different artists the Kings records had like are the prizes hanging tons of artistic records had and then we start developing a reputation like that rhythm section man. Have you heard and start talking

about it. All the artists are talking about it and then it kind of got back to Jay-Z and it was like you know so he wanted to hear. So you know and Bobby Byrd would talk about US to him alive you know. And one thing I think kind of led to another. And when he had this happen to him in Columbus Georgia kind of walked out I needed it. While the call from Dave Brown to come to view happen was planned at the bar in Cincinnati Ohio and the place was about I would say. About big space right here. We had a date and I was wrong. We was planned a minute and we OK so that's what we got the call at and.

We had a problem that you know come right now you know I'm flying there and I got the phone and I told my brother you know the birds on the way they laughed at me you know so we continue to get ready for our benefit. You know so my family has by over walked through the door and everybody was you know. So he said Come just bring in cement. We said we got to go get on now. Just come just like that's the way we went we went to the airport 40000 the first time I've ever been on a plane looking crazy. And I want to walk right through the audience the audience was mad because they and they were mad at us and we had no idea why. You know because we didn't even know what the heck was going on you know. So after we got to the dressing rooms and everything we stuff ran out. You know we start piecing things together.

We see the band and they did actually have James up in the air like this. But they would love you know they were talking talking to you know like you know and we look at her like we walked in to our heroes and here we are now down on you know and we we came you know and at the same time we want to play with. So. You know we were just hoping that everything would come out. You know we didn't know what the heck was going to happen you know. So that was the first night. All the bands you know as far as know what songs to play and everything. You know the bands around and I was you know I came up you know I think we know him better because we had been. You know back and forth over to his

studio and the interest was growing like we might be the ones that you know. So we really got you know we were always playing you know it was a it was a thing in the Midwest everybody was competing to play in these clubs so we had to be the best we're there the tightest you know and we worked on and I mean we just really worked on there by giving us a rep as the tightest rhythm section that they had ever heard. You know we're starting a restaurant. So. I don't know it. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah let's do that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Cana I can remember I remember because the. As for remember stuff like they used to. Wait until he thinks will live wow to do things you know he will wait to after the show. To go to the studio. You know this is like after we don't play kind of cook you know and he would go to the studio to record. So that was his best have to recall after the show so we would we get on a bus James got on a bus with him and Bobby Byrd was up in a seat right in front of us and Jay and Bobby were going back and forth about feel like a sex machine and I mean Bobby Byrd had his paper bag here too often they write lyrics you know. And it was in the back seat and back up and back and just messing with. You know with messing with some stuff there and get in the groove.

And then once we kind of came up with a good idea we got to the studio dance a hit. There with us. It was body movements with James and he did more body movements than actual rap and explain and I guess you know we were more like and our interpreters. OK. Exactly just like over here. And you know you need to interpret it. We were interpreters you know he would say something that he's filling and we'd have to figure it out. And it just happened that you heard that we can't figure it out. I mean his whole rhythm you know his whole rhythm I mean only James could do it. That's so lame. So yeah yeah. Yeah.

And only he could only get out of the game but only he could do that and you know we knew what it was we have been there you know and we really knew what it was that we stopped planning. You know it's like OK you know we know what you know what is good what over here we kind of knew what to do. I mean you know so it was kind of we just paid attention and we get used to doing that and kind of figure it out and I think and what we had figured it all out. I think it started getting kind of like anything else. You know I figured it out now. So I think because by being young you know things have to spark and you know and I think that had a lot to do. With as well.