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I'm Kalik crossly This is the Catholic Crossley Show. Today we meet two men who are taking the locavore movement to a new extreme. Dave Callum and Clay groves have been on a quest to catch and eat every species of freshwater fish in New Hampshire. Within a year we're talking large mouth bass rainbow trout fowl fish and even goldfish using kayaks canoes and ice fishing by foot. They've caught pickerel behind the state liquor store. They've scored the slimy Sculpin in small brooks. The carp and white fish are still at large. But with the help of a fellow angler they've crossed the landlocked salmon off their list. Part buddy adventure part outdoor expedition this two man traveling cooking crew is hooked on fishing. From there it's another edition of pop culture. Ask Dog Lady Monica Collins. We'll take your calls on all things dog. Up next casting lines and canines. First the news. From NPR News in Washington I'm Lakshmi Singh. U.S. stocks are

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movement to a new level. I'm talking about Dave Callum and Clay Jones. They have set out to catch and eat every species of freshwater fish in New Hampshire. Dave Kellan clay Jones welcome. Gross. GROSS clay grow back to growing up there. Here we go I'm so excited about this. OK. We've opened up the lines if you have a question for these two and that would be Dave Callum and Clay gross. Talk about angling or cooking or endangered freshwater fish. We're at 8 7 7 3 0 1 8 9 7 8 7 7 3 0 1 eighty nine seventy. So. Whose idea was it to take up this quest. Catch and eat every fresh water fish in New Hampshire. Well that would be that would be me is so this is Dave Kelly saying that I had this idea because I realized I was at my job and I'd been there for a long time and I was really wishing I was known for something. And so I was driving down the road I was thinking all right

if you're going to be known for something it's got to be something that you've done your entire life it's got to be some You're obsessed with. Well fishing is something that has been an obsession for me so I thought Alright so it's got to be something like that it's got be something epic. It's got to be something big. So I thought about well what happens if I try to catch all the freshwater fish in New Hampshire because I know a little bit about how many there are there are 48 different species and I thought that was an exciting quest in every middle aged man needs a quest to satisfy their their need for success. So then I thought all right. The other thing I know is that I don't do things very well unless I have a partner somebody to help me out somebody to. And it's not even help me out but just kind of joining in on the insanity so then I thought of clay because he is that person you call when you want somebody to join in on insanity. So I gave him a call and I said hey would you help me catch every kind of freshwater fish in New Hampshire he goes yeah let's eat them too. OK OK. And you didn't think this was a somewhat unusual request I never spent time thinking about anything. OK.

So it sounded fine to you sounded great ok. All right so so you decide you're going to do this. How do you know how many fish there are to begin with. I mean you know luckily Fish and Game has a website that lists every species of fish in New Hampshire and we just counted them. That's it. OK. What was the very first fish you caught. Oh the very first fish was a fish called a bird but where it cost or a cost and it was very specific we targeted that fish because that fish can only be caught during in the winter because during the summer it actually needs such cold water that it goes to the bottom of really really deep lakes. But in the winter it actually spawns under the ice and that's the time you catch up. So in New Hampshire they have a big Burbage or custom fishing season. And we knew that's what we wanted to do so we went out on a bitterly cold day and failed on that first attempt it was on your show attempt. Yeah fishing attempt we failed and. But but that was a very good wakeup call that this wasn't going to be easy. But then Clay went out the next day and brought one in for the team.

You can catch caused by certain lines under the ice overnight. So I drive by the Lake Winnipesaukee every day on the way to work. Drop a couple holes drop some lines down the way home pick them up and then I want to know if this is a good time to talk about there are rules to this quiz you just don't willy nilly drill holes everywhere. Yeah if you have rules about how the fish are to be caught and when and how you eat them. Yes exactly so we did want to set up a structure so we wouldn't we wouldn't cheat because we know we needed rules to start. And one of the things we thought it was cheating to use nets because that seems like it's to be too easy. So we try all the fish are caught with hook and line or legal method and I say legal method because it's legal for two like carp for instance to shoot them with a bow and arrow. So we wanted to try that because that sounded very interesting so we tried that little bit later so we have all these different methods. We speared for white suckers which is a legal method as well so the other thing is that we could catch them separately. So if one of us had an afternoon they could go fish they could go do that and then but we had to bring them

together to eat them together so that we could in always have that experience and make sure the other one didn't lie about actually having the fish. You're there together. Yeah exactly. Again my guests are Dave Callum and Clay groves and they are on a one year quest to find and identify catch all of the fresh water fresh water fish in New Hampshire and to eat them. So you have used a variety of tools clay. We've heard about dropping a line no nets you can use a bow and arrows have done that what else have you use. Well they said you know we speared Southerners mostly that were just killing worms almost every time we put a worm on a hook and it turned out pretty near every fish in the state like swarms. So we go that route but we have fly fish because we want to appease the public radio audience and we've. Haha ok I guess suck up can't a higher number. Yeah and you know we fly fish we both hunted we ice

fish we've used homemade jigs we've micro fish which is fishing with tiny little hooks like twelve point four letter js for tiny little fish untie little brooks and everything we can do to think of to catch these guys because most of the fish are tiny so you think that's epic quest to catch a tiny little fish and we did that we even ate a fish in here in New Hampshire is not in danger but Massachusetts is it legally so. Well before we get to the eating that you left out I'm reading the blog I'm keeping up with you guys. OK so you used the TV to catch fish. The official vision was a recent quest. Yeah fishermen love deer they love equipment they love all this stuff. And some genius several years ago came out with the idea of using an underwater camera and especially during ice fishing because everything's everything's still so you could lower this camera down you can actually see the fish interacting with your bait and I picked one up on e-bay.

And so we got this thing out the other day and it's the biggest kit because a we love TV we grew up on TV and a Mary watching TV with fishing is just great. But I want to emphasize that you guys describe yourselves as kind of poor fisherman you're not here with the you know thousand dollar rods and reels are you. Yet you want to make that clear right. Anyone want to donate a thousand dollars. We have to have it. You know we've got families and jobs and mortgages to pay and you know we don't make a living fishing. That's a side thing. So we try to fish cheaply as we can get away with that said ice fishing seems to be our big spending season. Yeah but I want to qualify this. His camera costs $35 but he bought it so it was a last season thing it's not digital So that's one of the reasons so yeah we were still pretty bare bones about it. But any chance we get we like to play with the toys. That's fun. Well let's take a call because people are very interested in Kevin from what star Go ahead please you're on the callee Crossley Show. Eighty nine point seven WGBH Yes I like you know I you know the question

just touched on all this but. You know meant something altogether. What do you say that you haven't. I mean the mercury levels in the lake trout are incredible I mean do you think any of the fish from the north is not such a good idea especially for kids. All right well I'm going to let them answer that question. One of the things I should say by way of introduction is that you do check on you know all this kind of stuff right. Oh yeah. Or do you actually died last week. So you're bad. Yeah ok but you know they actually he's right there is high mercury and all the fish New England because of acid rain and stuff like that. Cool thing is you have to have fish consumption guidelines no more than one five pounds for a downed camera exactly because look up but not more than a certain amount of freshwater fish per week with only 40 fish to catch. We are not going to cross that thing the other thing is mercury builds up in the tissue official for years so if you catching a large lake trout he's right with mercury if you catch

a half ounce you know a minnow probably not loaded with as much mercury and with all the stocked fish and stuff. He's right there Mercury is an issue but you can eat fish in New England. That's my guess. Clay Grove Dave but you guys just to just to follow up on that are in touch with experts if you see something you don't know this fish you ask about it hopefully before you eat it right. Yes that is true. And you know the health consumption advisories are certainly we keep up on and it's sort of a philosophical issue as well and that if we start losing touch with the land in the place that we live and start not considering really some basic rules of life is that things die and you eat them and those kinds of things. I think we lose an awful lot. So we're very careful about the fish we eat. We don't eat very much. So our mercury levels are no where near any any problem. You know that way so. I have also read that you were in touch with some experts about what may be poisonous or not. You know this

beyond mercury but you know what could kill you. Exactly well there was one fish that was one fish called a margin mad Tom which is a poisonous fish and many of them many of these fish nobody has ever eaten. So that we can find you know we search the web and all this and that was one that we actually didn't know if it would hurt us or not because you hear about these Japanese fish that if you prepare them wrong they kill you. So we emailed a few biologist and they're like well we don't know anything if you cook them they would be all right and we're here to say we're all right. We when we prepared that fish we made a moose out of it so we grounded all I know it was a very pleasing but mad moose on crackers is safe. But they actually have poison glands kind of like a bee sting on the end of some spines of three spines on their body. So we stayed clear of the spines and we're here to live to tell and I think it's important just because Dave said to safety to mad Tom Wright Don't do it. Yeah OK. Yeah right I mean well so far your description does not make you right. The river just so you know that. OK. Todd from New Hampshire Go ahead please you're on the Kelly Crossley Show. Eighty nine point

seven. WGBH Oh you know. Well yes go ahead. How you doing. You're going fine you know what. Todd call us back we can't hear you so call us back so we can get your call. I move on to Jeff from where I'm going to please you on the Kelly Crossley Show eighty nine point seven. I just had one very quick question for you on this epic quest to catch every fish in New Hampshire by any chance have you caught and eaten a fish that wasn't on the list in New Hampshire. Did you discover any new species. Oh excellent question. And I want and I'll take the answer off the air. That's OK. Thank you very much. Yeah I'm going to going to have clay help me with my memory as well there were several fish that weren't on the list that were that were anatomists meaning they were migratory that were around Lisa like rainbow smelt was one of them that was not on the original list

but there are local populations of those I wouldn't call it Discovery clay Are there any coming to mind that fit his question we didn't discover a fish no one's ever heard of before. We did catch some weird fish but. You have your biologist do electroshock ng of all the rivers in the state. They do an image where the fish were not going to surprise them too much with mind. Yeah and what was an interesting follow up with that. There were fish that don't exist here anymore that were on the list so there were a few fish that they said you know that was seen almost a hundred years ago it has been cut since you guys probably aren't going to be able to catch that so we substituted that fish with some other fish like the sea lamprey which is a three foot long bloodsucking eel and it lives normally in the ocean but it swims up into it to get letters about calling it in. I know it's not an eel. What is it. Why did you go there you know how well do you do that what do you think it was wrong with you. Yeah bad information. Most people consider them an eagle because it looks almost exactly like it but their lineage is very very old they haven't changed since well before the dinosaurs walked around so their mouth is just an oral disk

full of teeth. And so they don't have jaws and they can say what they are. Another Name the last named Stone sucker and they actually can attach to rocks but the way they feed is they attach to other fish bore a hole in the side and suck out their blood. But they're very interesting fish now eels are much more advanced they're much more like what you think of as a fish they have jaws they have advance gills and they're kind of genetically or evolutionarily very very different. But to the naked eye looking out and it looks like a big long squirmy thing a nearby says all that's a lamprey eels so lampreys are much different than American eels. OK well we have much more to talk about because the catch Amol Quest is quite a quest indeed. And that's what it's called. You're talking about a fishing quest I'm taling cross lead I'm speaking with Dave Callum and Clay groves. They're two men angling crew who have set out to catch and eat every species of freshwater fish in New Hampshire. You can join the conversation at 8 7 7 3 0 1 8 9 7 8 8 7 7 3 0 1 89 70. You're listening to WGBH

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Kelly Crossley. I want to know how to pickle pickerel. I want to find out what Chad noggins 8 7 7 3 0 1 89 70 8 7 7 3 0 1 89 70 before we get to the eating part of this. I want to ask you a little bit more about the fishing What was the easiest fish to catch and the hardest. We've had a few hard fish I'll start there I've been out in the Connecticut River way up north for Northern Pike probably six or eight times and that's been easy fish to catch but we can't do it and carp have given us a lot of trouble this year and again a lot of people say they're easy to catch. We seem to be missing on those fish and you see there's a lot of you have just a great place to fish because the fishing is so good and there are tons of easy fish to catch. Bass are pretty easy. All your sunfish are pretty easy from the right places trout or kid kid stuff. It's fun. Yeah we seem to be a we seem to catch a lot of trout when we're not trying to catch trout which drives trout fisherman

crazy because we just kind of got another trout. But yeah those are the real hard ones are those ones that are in very specific habitats and very specific parts of the state. That's been a real challenge a banded sunfish is causing us a lot of grief it's only about four inches long and we can't seem to find one. So Dave you both thought you should be clear that you're both experienced fisher men pursuing this nerd space nerd. OK so you didn't just sort of decide on this quest and then learn to fish here. You're pretty skilled at this right if you want to. Well I'm just just so people understand that you've been fishing. How long I've been fishing a long time so fishing a long time vs. skilled. There's a couple of you know nuances there but yes I fished all my life growing up as a kid I would pretend my bed was a boat and I would go around you know pretend lakes and fish so yeah my entire life for 44 years I'd say. Been fishing. And you Dave so much older than I am but I've been fishing my whole

life as well but freshwater I'm relatively new at. But to be good at it if you ask my wife I don't think she didn't really eat a lot of the fish that you were supposed to be catching. I well know that before the question that I made or if I were actually catching many Ok well as we said the catchall Quest the big part of that is eating the fish. That you catch and there are rules about how you catch it and when you eat it and all of that. But there's also something funny about how you cook it. You say alliteration is your guide to how to cook the different dishes please explain. Well most a lot of fish were kept cooking no one's ever cooked before. And in our quest we want to be creative with cooking we want to fry every fish we catch which by the way they'd all be good if we did that. But sadly we're more creative than that. So we're looking at like a fish like a mummy chalk for example which is a little minnow about two inches long. And we're trying to decide how do we cut this thing and we're just going through rhymes and alliteration trying to make up so Dave

came up with chalk nog for the fish which is a mold fish sprinkled over eggnog and don't you know you can make that face it's awful. Well I can tell you that I saw a little bit of that on line and I had to turn away. Anyway it's all I'm saying to people right now. The fish on the egg nog. Not so much you know the eggnog was the worst part of that. It's an awful thing to begin with. So the fish really actually help that you know for a liberation a scalp and scampi which was an Italian with terrible and pickled pickerel terrible was terrible as well and it was our first first attempt and you should consider yourself lucky by the way because normally we bring fish to share on the on air with folks and we shared a pickled pickerel with a television show up and Conway we brought fish today but we left them in the car and it's much warmer than it usually is. So we decided to leave them there because I don't think they made the trip very well. What was the fish I smoked some golden shiners last night. I do badly mistreated down. Yeah we have a caller Brian

on line 3. Kelly Crossley Shel WGBH eighty nine point seven. Well are you doing fine. I'm interested in knowing if you caught the trout which is one of the rarest fish in the country and if you caught one would be all right. Right. It's a great fish cake girl makes of great fish cake. He does my grandmother me the best. Oh OK very good to know. OK yeah. So real quick fish cakes are a really great way to eat especially if you've caught a bunch of small fish and you fry them up get them eat together and all that we did that with a couple of the minnows and it was really great. So yeah Sunapee trout No we wouldn't say we didn't encounter those I'm not 100 percent sure there are existing in New Hampshire. They're not on that list and I'm not sure the history of those and we wouldn't have eaten that even if we get that because that would be sad that would be 0 0 because endangered. Yeah. Okay very good.

OK so you are you're clear about what is endangered and used you're clear that's important yeah. We're working closely with New Hampshire Fish and Game on this project we cleared it with them before we started it. We're writing a book. Ten percent of our book profits are going to go to fishing games non-game endangered species program. And they're helping us identify fish and help us not eat endangered species and also highlighting these fish that are of special concern or endangered because a lot of that's connected to the habitat. So when it comes to habitat protection and people are trying to get a sense of should they care about not building houses here well maybe if they learned a little more about the Banded sunfish they would they would appreciate it. All right. You're listening to eighty nine point seven in on line at WGBH dot org. I'm speaking with Dave Callum and Clay Groves the two men are on a quest to catch and eat every species of freshwater fish in New Hampshire. And you can join the conversation at 8 7 7 3 0 1 870 8 7 7 3 0 1 89 70. Todd from New Hampshire. Were you the guy that we lost a few minutes ago I hope you've been able to call back. You're on the Kalak Rossley show. Go ahead please.

That was me. OK. So a gentleman hello. Hi Todd. I just want to thank you for your question because you inspired me as you know to do my own quest with my kids and to generate another generation of fishermen. Because really fishermen and hunters they are some of the bad. Conservationist that we can yeah. What's your favorite fish. Did you know that they've caught. I'm sorry. What's your favorite fish that you know that they have caught the pickle pickle. Oh I love people like that you know what's funny is we met through our Facebook page he's been fishing was with us a number of times and he's never never actually seen us catch a fish. Sad it is to help us catch some of those harder to find fish and just great fun to be around he's a firefighter from lives and works in dairy but I don't know you can ask him. OK you are very good. Well one of the things that I wanted to point out that on your blog on your website you guys have kind of turned into fish historians. So when you write about the fish it's

all it's about what you've caught certainly and going down your list and achieving that even your goal. It's about the fun that you're having but I just love some of the information. So we mentioned before and here's what you wrote about them. Mama chugs are cute little fish with a strong will to survive because of their habitat they have adapted to survive extreme conditions like wildly varying salinity. 95 degree temperature is low oxygen levels and rancid water to avoid freezing in the winter some can bury themselves up to eight inches in the mud. Moment sharks are so tough that Nancy deemed them as having the right stuff and selected them to be the first fish in space. In 1983 that's pretty interesting. Isn't that great. Thank you my man I thought you sounded great. Good writers yes. I was very impressed by that. I just thought it was great one of the other things that I like as not only are you writing about where you fish its story and really giving us some vital information about the history of it such as this right stuff connection with the moment drugs and then how fish

operate. But I love you talking about the personalities of the fish. Of course my favorite is heres your quote about large mouth bass large mouth bass have the most redneck personalities evolve New Hampshire fish. They are big brash gluttonous and always up for a fight. If the water explodes like a Dollywood stage when the fish hits you may have caught a large mouth bass. If your fish has a mouth like Gomer Pyle during a gulley moment you may have caught a large mouth bass. If the lure you were using looks like a cross between Lady Gaga and a Chevy transmission they have caught a large mouth bass. Send the email to them. So we're all clear. But these are delightful little comments about the personalities of the fish you all just decided to go that way and telling you you're talking about your quest. Yeah well that's so nice of you to pick up on that because you know we write these things and these are you know we were like they said we're kids of the television era and we bring in all this sort of pop culture and all this different stuff and it's

amazing how Phish can going to connect all that you know your engineers finding all these fishing songs you know and and you know you can chat with people you know Nick Donahue the the person that was on the air before this on the education thing. We actually had this great fishing conversation we both fished in the same area in Concord and shared fishing tip so it's a really great way to kind of connect culturally all sorts of stuff so. So yeah that's great thanks. Thanks I did also want to highlight it because when the firemen call in who's also fishes and you talked about who's joining you. You put out a call in various places and ask people to join you so it's kind of a community thing as well. It is we we are hard to find so I figure the more people in the water the better. If you fish with us and you catch the fish were hunting you our quest. Remember you're inducted into our quest and so we did in October did a pike pirate fishing day got a bunch of people to dress up as pirates and go out in the Connecticut River and freeze to death and not catch anything.

It was great. So you were hungry that we were going to do that to her right. Henry from Shrewsbury Go ahead please you're on the Kelly Crossley Show. Eighty nine point seven. Love what you guys are do. And are trying to do this and for more than 50 years I've been a fisherman and love freshwater fishing. When I was a young boy 8 9 years old used to go to Lake Nicot which is where I grew twenty four and 495 now come together Gadabout Gaddis and Ted Williams fished in that lake and they cried huge bass and I can tell you a lot of huge bass by the way you describe the lure just a minute. Anyway by the time I could actually afford a decent ride in real the Fish and Game Commission had come out to this rather large lake and they put out a surface coating on it to destroy the trash fish. The surface coating simply prevented oxygen from getting into the water. And every fish died. Oh there were three and four foot long bass in that lake. I wonder if this is still their policy. Do you guys know. Well that would be a Massachusetts fishing game question. You know that a

lot of stuff a lot of years ago with fish all over the place trying to manage things and be careful about calling Fish trash and stuff because in New England most of the fish you're fishing for including bass are not native fish. They're not they're brought in and you know in the 1880s they brought a ton of fishing to New England. So most of the trash fish are introduced species and you might call bass good and a carp trash but that carp is as valuable as that bass that was brought in the same time for the same reason for anglers to enjoy. Well what was my it is native now take now take my 4 year old grandson fishing and when he catches a little stick. Seven inch urchin a little fish that is the highlight of his week and it's already going to crash. Yeah. Thank you very much for the call Henry. What is native then what are native fishes. Yeah. So New Hampshire and really New England is really interesting because when the glaciers came in 10000 years ago it kind of wiped all the fish out. So I grew up in Indiana we had over 200 species of fish there where here you have forty eight or so.

And it's because all the fish escaped the glaciers went down the Mississippi and then came back here they just kind of all got wiped out so the actual Native Numbers are only like 20 or something so pickerel are native fish pumpkin seed sunfish is a native fish brook trout but rainbow trout brown trout real those are not native those were those were brought in those are more from the West Coast a large mouth bass is not native. And then the carp is not native as well and then black crappie is not native is also. Wow this is amazing. So you started off you had a certain number of fish you wanted to get to and your support your quest was supposed to be done in February. But here we are in March and you still can't see anything in the Ketchum Ahlquist. I wish we were still catching. You're hoping to catch OK and where are you going forward. Well you know that old guy who runs the marathon every year and he finishes like 30 hours after the guy doing it everybody goes home where the everyone's home already where that old guy crossing the finish line.

We set off to do it we're going to finish it where we're kind of coming up on just past a year now we've got just a handful of fish left. But we need to finish it and we're writing a book and that's part of the book. We need to finish it and if you know we get I'm all cool if not we're going to tell you you've got to get involved. I believe you. So I'm curious about what you say to people whose greatest fish eating adventures are somewhere between Gordon's fist fishsticks McDonald's fish sandwich and frozen tilapia. If they love those things great but if they love putting fresh salmon on the grill and watching a tape worm crawl out a mate do that because that's exciting thank you so much for that now. Does it take a special kind of person that appreciate some of these fish. OK that's good advice class I get good at this stuff. I meant it in a more global sense. And did your palates by experimenting and trying different things that often we get sort of stuck in.

If we did it all we might be stuck in it in a kind of well it's like well it's a cultural thing I mean in our college in this country we're used to eating bland white fish. Everything has to taste like cop but right around the world people eat all kinds of fish every fish they catch and it's a way of rethinking what is edible. Most fish are edible and most fish have unique flavors and some of the minnows we've eaten we made like Chub chowder this little two inch Lake Chad it was one of the best chairs we ever had. So good we fried minnows we smoked tomatoes on crackers are just so good and such a surprise because we get scared eating these fish and you get in your mouth I'm like wow yeah sure if it's a really nice pleasant surprise So there's we really encourage people to stretch their horizons at least try something out. It's probably not going to hurt you. Probably. From an emotional standpoint what's this been like for you now. Meaning. You've been fisherman so you've enjoyed the experience of fishing

and I'm told I don't like to fish unlike the worm thing. But that's a quite a kind of draws you into yourself and you have a moment when you fish some people also do that when they garden so I am so is so. So what's what's it like for you out there doing this. Aside from the funny parts of it yeah. And it the nice thing about fishing it's such a diverse experience that everybody can get from it what they need and you're right there is some sort of a river runs through kind of aspect where you can be out fly fishing and really get in touch with your existential self and we're not that we're not that. OK. So the nice thing is that we really get a kick out of all the other stuff that goes with one of my favorite fishing spots is right next to Interstate 95. So thousands of cars are driving by and everybody honks and waves at you while you're out there fishing and you're waving at people as well it's not that pristine environment by the way there's huge bass in this thing and you know so that's an example of I get a charge out of it for different reasons what others might be so the people we meet the experiences we

have like I've been doing this all my life so it's kind of a familiar thing that's been a real part of me but now I get to experience it in New England with meeting all these great people and having all these interesting fish to explore so it's much more than just the sort of kind of philosophy. How do you Tony I said that. Would you have imagined that it would have been this interesting when you when you first signed on to do this. Yes. Was your dad. I talk about work this morning about trying to get her to tell me what kind of a hero I am for catching all these fish and I said Who would have thought a year ago we'd be going out of Boston that she goes. You thought that you got hit that you're going to be on the radio and TV did you know that you have to stop talking about a four year course you said you were going to do it. Yeah yeah. Well that's from all guys I got to say you're pretty funny even if I'm not a fish or fishing type. I think what you're doing is pretty interesting so happy Questa bursary. You're. Thinking your deadline and good luck to you as you go forward with this.

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Joining me in the studio is Monica Collins aka ask dog lady. She's here today to take your calls if you need advice about your four legged friend. We're at 8 7 7 3 0 1 eighty nine seventy eight 7 7 3 0 1 89 70. Now we have limited time with Monica's a call in now don't wait until the last five minutes. 8 7 7 3 0 one eighty nine seventy eight 7 7 3 0 1. Eighty nine seventeen you can write to our Facebook page or send us a tweet. Hey Dog Lady Hey there. Hey you doing good thanks. So the subject today is elderly. Yes a subject dear to my heart this is something I want to read this letter and just to kick us off in this conversation. OK. Your dog lady we have a 12 year old German Shepherd female Heidi for the last few weeks she has become very anxious a lot of the time. She also is not interested in eating or going for a walk. We took her to our vet and he recommends we take her to a veterinarian behaviorist which we will probably do. Do you know about anxiety in dogs and older dogs and what could be the cause. And what did you say and I gather you're getting a

number of these kinds of letters now. Well. Dogs are living longer than they have previously. As a group and whether that is and why is it I think it's the good care that we're giving them. Also there are more and more mutts meaning that they're not inbred all the inbreeding is kind of diffusing so that a month can you know have a pretty good long dog life. In this case I wasn't about to weigh in on this I mean the dog is a 12 year old. I mean I did weigh in but I wasn't about to come up with a recommendation because my feeling is the dog is probably little has a little touch of dementia. A 12 year old German Shepherd is a very old dog because it's a big dog like the smaller breeds can sometimes live 12 14 16. Kelly it's funny today I was speaking with Mr Dog Lady and I told him that what the topic was on the

show and he said I hope you don't become an expert in all dogs I said why. He said because shorties not an old dog is just a dog. Your dog is yesterday my dog and I think that's how we should look at these elderly dogs. We get very sensitive about it too. I had a friend who worked with a woman who had a 12 year old dog and when anyone would ask the age of the dog when we go I don't want to speak about it and dog people. Show me a dog person and they are always asking you how old your dog is. So age is a big thing with dog people. So when you start going 10 11 12 people go you know it's hard to deal with your dog's aging but if you have a really good veterinarian that you can kind of be a partner with. As this journey begins as I do my shorty is

taking Milk Thistle for his liver which is a holistic remedy that my vet recommended and I want to emphasize that because you were clear with these people that who wrote the letter and with a lot of people that at this stage of life for the dog an elderly dog a veterinarian is really key key. Kitty if you want to understand your dog better if you want to understand the medical situation of your dog a vet is he. It's just worth it to have a relationship. Also another thing is every year a dog gets a series of shots goes to the vet for a series of shots now rabies is a no brainer you have to always get that. But there are other shots like parvovirus and kennel cough. Now these you can talk to your vet about does my dog still need those toxins in its system. Because I'd be for younger dogs.

Yet many other dogs that are out and about and running everywhere and you know but over years your dog does build up an immunity and these shots may not be necessary after the age of 10. And that's very important to work out. All right well one of the things I wanted to mention because we were speaking in the negative. Maybe it's about older dogs. And that is the positives about them. The positives are let me count the way. OK well count them. Say an older dog is trained all those years of paid off and older dog loves you. An older dog. You're the leader of the band at that point you really are an older dog wants to please you very much and an older dog is not so inclined to oh I have my opportunity to escape already. You know an older dog sticks closer to home an older dog has grown up with you and has woven into your lifestyle so that you are the

two of you are together your yin and yang. And that's the joy of an older dog. Our number is 8 7 7 3 0 1 89 70 8 7 7 3 0 1 89 70 My guest is Monica Collins aka ask dog lady. This is pop culture. So call with your question about your dog. What I'm like about an older dog is one who owns no dog. They don't jump on you. You don't know you know how did you learn that I do not like to know. You know they have learned by that point. It's funny I was over at a home with a young dog the other day and I had forgotten just how. I love you I love you Let me jump on you let me ruin your clothes let me you know and this you love that exuberance and that enthusiasm but an older dog you don't have to put up with that at all. And and there's a lot of joy with an older dog. There really is. So you mention the MC milk thistle for your dog Shorty who's aging. What other products should people pay attention to or and or talk to their vets about it is so

funny you know the dog bed industry has become huge dog beds are everywhere and now it's the therapeutic dog bed. The memory foam bed. Everybody is selling those for the older dog. And why does that work. I mean why is it supposedly eases the joints for for humans and for dogs. And so there's a whole dog older senior dog bed industry where you can order. I I maintain my dog has like five beds. He loves a blanket on the floor so he lets her call Adam from Providence Go ahead please you're on the Calla Crossley Show eighty nine point seven WGBH. Hi A.J. thanks. I say Michael I'm going to let you know for sure what I've done. Yeah and I had a fight with my mom about whether she should be taking glucosamine or not that's why she should because she is like kind of that joint right.

So not all the evidence looks like. So we're trying to figure out. We're coming to you whether she's taking everyday or you haven't. Are you feeling with your vet or your mom. Go ahead I'm sorry. I just want to be clear. Take a dog lady I'm sorry. Do you know that there are these treats that have glucosamine in them that you do. Yeah yeah. I believe the. Do a google search for these but there are treats. I think it's pets USA. They make these treats meaty treats with glucosamine and chondroitin in them and I give one of these a day to my dog just because my dog's a small dog I don't know whether he has joint issues but it's a good idea. It really is holistically. This is what is recommended for humans and for dogs. So yes I think yes. What do you also tell a mom. Also let me just say mom look I'm doing this. You know every morning because a Portuguese water dog is a big dog yeah. So

the jury is going to be sued. Yes the joints are going to be stressed so I would do that. Thanks very much for the call Adam. So remember I'm sure they're going to get a sash from Westport Go ahead please you're on the Calla Crossley Show eighty nine point seven WGBH. Hi Sasha. Hi I'm calling I have a 17 year old daughter ound. Yeah my labs are name is Happy. Yeah. And she is next to lots of little but very small. Yeah and I have a young almost 2 year old combo a Chihuahua Raney and the Shawn keeps jumping on her and grabbing her neck and wants to dominate her all the time and I'm I really am trying to figure out he's been to behavior school he's got a strong spirit. But I'm I really I'm trying to figure out a tactic to try to stop that without telling all they have all these really tough. And what I've done is I've put him on a leash saying no and and and let him stay there

for five minutes. One gets. And within minutes he's doing it again. Well does he ever show any affectionate behavior. Yes he does lick your face and he likes to push up against her and flop down. He's very connected to her but it's you know a lot of aggression. Well maybe you have to supervise so that you allow the affection but kind of discipline the aggression in dogs when dogs lick each other. I got a big lesson in this when my dog was hurt and this other dog who was my dogs play buddy started licking him. And where he had a little bit of surgery and they take care of themselves you know they take care of dogs they love. It's very touching to see. So I want to keep them totally apart. But I would encourage the affection and kind of discipline the other.

Does that make sense to you. Yeah I just don't want to come home from you know work and find happy in you know like going to drastic family also I think I'm going to separate them. I'm not around. Yeah when you're not around separate them very good idea. I don't know whether you crate them or keep them in separate rooms which I believe in anyway. Right yeah exactly. But when you're around and you are there to supervise I would let them be together unleashed and just kind of just kind of. Because I think it probably is very good for the older dog as well. Yeah. OK I thank you. Thank you playing also. Now it's interesting because we've talked about some of the you know the extra concerns you have to take care with an aging pet. Yes but you believe in a in adopting older dogs. Oh yes. So why. Well you have to kind of put yourself through a rigorous examination and think OK I want a dog. Now how much am I willing to give to this dog I want to dog who's already trained. I want to dog who's you know if I can take care of a dog in the last couple of years of its life

that's good with me. I don't want a lot of drama at this point in my life. You know there may be a lot of drama with an older dog because they may have health issues you don't know about but pretty much they're just looking for a nice place to big. And a lot of people give up. Older dogs just because they're older. Just because I don't want to deal with this dog anymore you know. What did you think you have to deal with. I'm just looking at it from you know a person doesn't own a dog that emotional attachment that you all talk about that's so strong but I think it would be so hard if you haven't. Some people don't feel it. Yeah I don't know. OK. Some people don't feel OK and they can't afford the vet and they can't afford the issues of aging. A couple questions about Westminster before you go. Yeah. So they yanked the pedigree ads which you were very unhappy about Westminster the dog show. Yes they did. Westminster the Westminster took

these pedigree ads off the air because they thought they were too depressing for viewers. You know these ads weren't really depressing they were just heart rending because they showed shelter dogs and pedigree promised to give a poorest portion of its profits to shelters so they reminded you during Westminster that there were dogs to be adopted in these shelters. But you know they showed these pictures of faces and let's face it when you see a dog's face looking kind of sad you go oh how much. Watch let me write a check. Yeah but. But they thought that was not commiserate with that it was depressing Yeah. Yes yes the spokesman David fries said we don't want to depress people. We want to make them happy. We want to show smiling dogs. And when I wrote about this in my ask dog lady column I said I've never seen my own dog smile. She looks pretty sad right around dinner time which is when it should be that happy

is that I mean dogs have mournful faces that's what they have. So anyway the pedigree ads were not on during the show. The judges were not wearing pedigree armbands pedigree was entirely banned during the show. Wow. I hope that's the person I have to say I thought that was bad I really did I thought it was it got really bad. All right well maybe next year they'll have a change of heart after you but people like you've written about it right. Thanks so much dog lady. Thank you. I'm Kelly Crossley you've been listening to another edition of pop culture with Monica Collins. She writes Ask dog lady the syndicated lifestyle advice column. You can go to ask dog lady dot com to ask a question or make a comment or visit the ass dog lady Facebook fan page. You keep on top of the Calla Crossley Show WGBH dot org slash Calla Crossley follow us on Twitter or become a fan of the Calla Crossley Show on Facebook today show was engineer by Alan Mathis produced by Chelsea murders will Rose left and Abbey Ruzicka where a production of WGBH Boston Public Radio.

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