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lucky one of the most prominent al-Qaida figures since Osama bin Laden is dead. The U.S. says the same military counterterrorism unit that killed bin Laden in Pakistan back in May used an airstrike to kill a Locky in Yemen today. President Obama says the operations a testament to the work of the U.S. intelligence community and the cooperation of Yemen's government. The death marks another significant milestone in the broader effort to defeat al Qaeda and its affiliates. The U.S. born cleric was fiercely anti-American he's accused of orchestrating or having ties to a number of attacks on the U.S. including a foiled plot to bomb an airliner on Christmas Day in 2009. U.S. officials say another American militant was killed alongside a law Samir Khan a U.S. citizen of Pakistani descent produce an English language Al Qaeda web magazine. NPR's Dina Temple-Raston compares the young editors case to that of a Locky. What's different about his case from his al-Hakim is American who's in his 20s and we had it

in this magazine for inspire and was actually brought up on charges here in the United States a grand jury in North Carolina actually met to see what kind of charges. Bring against him and those charges stars who we know have been kept secret. But a grand jury did meet what that means is they actually have an American Id put into the criminal justice process who may have been summarily killed by a U.S. drone. And that's going to be a very difficult thing for them to square. NPR's Dina Temple-Raston. The Commerce Department says personal income fell last month for the first time in two years. But NPR's Jim Zarroli reports that other economic data released today are far more positive. The latest numbers show a mixed picture for the U.S. economy which has been struggling with stubbornly high unemployment and slowing growth. Personal income fell one tenth of a percentage point. And the savings rate was also down but consumer spending rose somewhat suggesting that people are dipping into their savings to pay for expenditures. Meanwhile the Institute for Supply Management Chicago

says its index of business activity in the Midwest rose to sixty point four considerably higher than economists had expected. Any reading above 50 is a sign that the economy continues to grow and the employment component of the index was also higher. Jim Zarroli NPR News. Starting tomorrow banks will be restricted in the amount they can charge merchants whenever customers swipe their debit cards. The new regulation has prompted a string of banks to raise fees on various services yesterday Bank of America announced plans to charge customers a $5 monthly fee to use their debit cards for purchases that's on top of other monthly fees linked to people's basic accounts. At last check the Dow is down 108 points at eleven thousand forty six. This is NPR. The Philippines main island of Luzon is bracing for another typhoon less than a week after one caused widespread damage in the region. Simone Oren died in Manila reports in two provinces. People are certainly struggling.

The National Disaster Management Office says hundreds of people have been rescued from their submerged homes and will knock on and pump on the provinces. But tens of thousands still need to be brought to dry ground with a new typhoon following nearly the same path as Neshat the head of the disaster management council Benito Ramos says rescuers are working as fast as they can. We are on the process before we went there in order to force it right though. Yes in the upper bodies are important acts like one here at the bridge. Ramos says rivers swelling and six dams overflowing in the two provinces cost the massive flooding. The next storm is expected early tomorrow morning. For NPR News I'm Simone Oren dine in Manila. Hurricane Ophelia already a Category 2 storm continues to rapidly gain strength. Forecasters expect the storm to pass east of Bermuda tomorrow. Philly has already inflicted flooding and damage on Dominica. Florida plans to hold its presidential primary election January 30 first defying calls of the

National Republican Party leaders. Four states a GOP authorized to hold their nominating process is first which are Iowa New Hampshire Nevada and South Carolina are expected to respond to this by shifting their contest from February to early January. U.S. stocks down at last check with the Dow falling 108 points today it's at eleven thousand forty six Nasdaq off thirty five a twenty four forty six. This is NPR. Support for NPR comes from the Doris Duke foundation for Islamic art seeking to improve Americans understanding of Muslim arts and culture. Good afternoon I'm Cally Crossley. Today we're hitting the rewind button on the week's news. Looking at it through a hyper local regional lens joining us today are Paul Provo editor of the Cape Cod Times. Robert Whitcomb the vice president

and editorial page editor of The Providence Journal and radio and TV commentator Arnie Arneson is on the line from New Hampshire. Welcome back everybody. Robert I'm going to start with you. I find it interesting that certain topics certain issues are really going strong and are heated all through the region and you have a piece looking at Jeb Governor Chafee studying whether or not to grant driver's permits to undocumented immigrants. As you know nationally and locally here in Massachusetts there's a lot of discussion about tightening up some rules and regulations with particular focus on Secure Communities but this driver's permits thing is what got Rick Perry presidential candidate into trouble week or so ago. And here's Governor Chafee not sort of one that you would think of being connected with what was Rick Perry's idea Lige.

I do follow GM. Not exactly but Governor Chafee for one thing he had a quite a bit of support from the Hispanic community legal Hispanic community last year and I think he is sincere about this that he really has great compassion for immigrants he doesn't live near any of them. He rather he lives in a rather cause of that world of luxury and religion itself but I do think he does have a lot of compassion for immigrants theoretical or otherwise. And there's sort of a preface to this which is the governor the governor's board of Board of Governors for higher education earlier this week voted to have to offer illegal alien undocumented aliens I guess I should say undocumented citizens in-state tuition rates which means that if you're an undocumented. Citizen

student in Rhode Island you would and you were accepted into one of the three state colleges you would pay a lower tuition rates and say somebody from the right over the boundary in Connecticut or Massachusetts. There's a lot of controversy about that. Of course the driver's license thing is really set people crazy because some people see it as a way for illegal aliens to have IDs to get other stuff with. Oh yeah and I just wanted to say that I'm I know you didn't mean this but you mean undocumented immigrants not citizens because that's the mantra for a lot of people they are not citizens. And so people are you know up in resident undocumented resident. Yes. OK I have to wonder. You have to wonder why the governor went down this road in the calming of it. My first reaction to this was it seemed like you know he didn't he failed to sort of look before he leaped on on this issue but perhaps there is you know a greater strategy here coming on the heels of the vote with higher ed. I mean if something that very few

states have touched for a good reason at least in this direction it's because of the political third rail and the driver's license thing yeah. Yeah I think that Utah has a plan like this and so nobody could accuse you of being run by some sort of left wing COBOL. So it has been tried elsewhere. It is very very popular and I think the in-state tuition is too even though I think that the governor and his supporters have some you know basis for thinking it would be good for the state in the long run economically and otherwise I've got my doubts. But but the driver's license flap is really very high. I think the timing is delicious myself because I've been watching all the Republican debates and I keep thinking whew talk with Huntsman. That's Huntsman state. Oh let's see you know funding education. Oh Texas that's Perry's state. So he's got two Republican governors who are right now in the process of running for president of the United States who understand that you can send millions and millions of

people back to Mexico. You've got to figure out what the path to citizenship looks like. And one of the things you want them to do is to be educated and to drive legally. Well I was there. There's one other theory here and elsewhere which is by offering these these benefits to documented residents it brings in more cheap labor I think and taxes certainly I know less about you know a bit about taxes. This is great for you know it's another draw to bring in cheap labor for the companies a lot of the big companies love this stuff. The more the merrier and of course we know real wages of Americans American citizens and everybody else are falling. So there's a kind of a right wing Big Business Support for the sort of stuff. You know what are you going to ask around. The problem here is you know that the federal government has cut that. I mean the whole package. We remember Kennedy and John McCain had kind of the in John McCain pushing that forward and it looked promising and of course it's a dog that's left they having to deal with this instead of

on the piecemeal ad hoc fashion and we have that which is like you know because the federal government basically is not dealing with this Congress is not going away. You know they've boosted border patrols a bit more but based everyone's taking a dodge on this as they are most big. Frankly so we want to say also governors make up their own policy. But Alabama isn't it. Alabama Yazid Alabama. And then look at Rhode Island. They're both in the United States. And Juan you know when you want to all everybody wants to leave Alabama right about now because they're terrified. And then of course and the suggestion is well then will Rhode Island become a sanctuary for everybody that's leaving Alabama. I mean that's what happens when the federal government doesn't establish a 50 state rule is that it really discourages rational behavior on the part of almost every state you know. Well I want to raise something about the driver's licenses the in-state tuition is as you all have noted is still a hot potato in many places. You

recall or you may not recall when Deval Patrick tried to raise it a couple times early on that just was met with a lot of antagonistic feelings. But the driver's license issues strikes at the heart I think of a lot of people who. May in fact be supportive of let's say a governor Deval Patrick or Rick Perry saying listen let's give in-state tuition because that driver's license as many people point out is the entree to identification. And now if you've crossed the barrier over into identification you know what does then make a bright line from those who are citizens with all rights due to them and others who are not. Now I note that this legislation this proposed legislation says the guards the cards are due for 12 months. These driver's license cards that would sensibly be issued to undocumented immigrants and are to be used for driving purposes only not as a form of

identification but I don't think you can prove that that wouldn't happen. That's completely you know it's a completely absurd of course will be used for identification but it's just it's a toll you know rises and last I mean I can't get any more delicious now it was just really about looking for REAL I.D.. I mean are we now looking for an I.D. card that is not a driver's license remember historically you could use a driver's license to get into Canada. Now you have to have a passport. So what you're beginning to see is that we're really creating a tiered system. And you know what is valid for identification. And let's also remember you want people to know how to drive on your roads. And you would love to have them covered by insurance. That may be part of the rationale because when someone hits you you don't care what country they're from. You want to know whether they can drive. I mean I want to tell you that every bozo has a chance of passing. You know which one the driver he was driving. No I don't think so.

You know it does support the legislature's especially the state senate which tends more in that direction. I don't think so. I mean maybe five years ago the trouble is you know this is a very angry country now this is talk show America you're on watch but we are not angry we're just medicated. And so I think it's I think it's very unlikely to pass. He may propose it and you know again he may be sincere about this whole thing there may be no political reason for him doing this at all but I don't think it's I don't think it's going to go anywhere. Well let me conclude this part of our conversation by saying Rhode Island is already out in front having passed the voter ID law to Arny's point you know and there was a lot of folks on both sides of that who were quite heated about what the meaning of that is beyond just people going to the polls with an ID card for you know like defecation. All right moving on again to issues that seem to reverberate across the region I'm going down your way Paul Provo because say you know Bill is pitting

tribe versus tribe so your article says Tell us about it. Well this is interesting and of course it's all a matter of who would be able to cash in if Massachusetts in fact passed the casino legislation. Bills have been proposed now for boy more than a decade and they've gone nowhere. This year however it seems like there might be a little more momentum not only momentum in the legislature but also the three heads of state. The Senate president the House speaker and the governor all seem to be somewhat on the same page of what they want to accomplish and that's been the sticking point over the past couple years. So it looks like things could be moving forward. One of the interesting aspects of the casino bill is that it would give preferential treatment to one of the RI state sponsored casinos to an Indian tribe. Now the question is how are they recognized as a sovereign nation are they recognized by the federal government or are they recognized by the state

Mashpee wampum dogs are the only federally recognized tribes in Massachusetts. That seems to have an inside track and so there's a lot of concern among some of the other Indian tribes in southeastern Massachusetts that basically bill the law would be handing the Mashpee wampum dogs a casino. I know the acquittal well but they're also federally recognized there on the island of Martha's Vineyard. They gave away some of their rights in sort of a land deal in the late 80s. So they while they make a bid for it they are probably out. But several of the tribes are saying look we want a piece of the action. Count us don't count us out at this early. It's quite an interesting debate. Yes and one of the ones that you mention is a poll Cassatt Pocono Connett tribe you know a short quiz next period. Yeah OK well how do you think what do you have Robert and Arnie What do you think about this. Well I have a question. I thought the my understanding is is that the tribes really don't even get any action unless the state has said yes we're going to do casinos. The tribes can't do casinos but once the state

opens the floodgates Well guess what the tribes get to sort of move ahead. What I think the tribes are upset about is they don't want one of the tribes to get its foot in the door before they get a chance to also sort of usher in their casinos. Could they be stopped in the future Paul if let's say the tribes you know cross their T's and dot their I's and they also have land that they can grant for this. Could they then apply for a casino beyond the three that the state is approved Could they be the fourth or the fifth of the six. Well they they technically could but if they're not you know the law of economics is if you're not part of the first group your proposal is not going anywhere and I think that the point is a good one in that only federally recognized tribes that have land right into federal trust. Can qualify for a casino outside of say a state sponsored arrangement. So what is happening here in Massachusetts and it's going back and forth over the years is there's been debate do we go down the state track and let's say the Mashpee Wapping do their own thing on a federal track

and potentially do exactly what you said open up more than three casinos or do we try to work with them and then we try to limit the number of resort style casinos that we have in the state and that's the path they're going down. But as as we can see it's up to several other Indian nations. Can I say Sunny that none of these tribes who we keep talking about the tribes to say no no no not really it's companies are going to come in the companies and probably will inevitably be directly or indirectly bribing public officials. DS No no way to save the cost. I'm going to keep calling these things because you know feel like Foxwoods. That's not you know it's a lot of it's most of it's out of reach and sometimes out of the country business interests who are absolutely vehement about maximizing profit obviously and it can be a pretty really really sleazy business all I can say is it's really sad that these tribes and stuff are not trying to you know set up some technical facilities or

manufacture in there or agriculture or something like that. There's this mad you know mad dash for casinos. It's it's it's sad. A lot of people are in messages agree with you but others do not as they're sitting on the state legislature. I just I just want you know I'm looking at the list of casinos that are being applied for now in the state of New Hampshire so we're just watching you know they're about ready and I think all right when we come back more regional news hyper locally will be looking at credit unions big banks drugs addiction. And whether or not some prisoners are getting their health care for free. We're talking with Paul Pronovost from Cape Cod. Arnie Arneson from New Hampshire and Robert Byrd representing Rhode Island. We'll be back after this break stay with us. WGBH programs exist because of you. And Boston Private Bank and

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editor of the Cape Cod Times. Robert Whitcomb the vice president and editorial page editor of The Providence Journal and Arnie Armisen a radio and TV commentator based in New Hampshire are now going to start right with you. Good news for folks who have their money and credit unions it looks like Credit unions are healthy. Healthy these days. Well you know I was listening to the show just before yours Kelly and they were talking about Bank of America. Yes you could almost you could almost hear the anger and venom coming out of their mouth. And I thought you know I have to check your local credit union recently because it turns out that this story is looking at the stability the community support of credit unions and it turns out that the first credit union in America was started in Manchester New Hampshire St. Mary's bank credit union and then the first statewide one was in the state of Massachusetts. So we are very intimate and we have a long history with credit unions and they are there to serve their members and not their stockholders. Can I repeat that. And it really it was it was about as local as you

could get and it was really in the beginning just to sort of you know Service discrete communities for example maybe the retail owners or educators or mill workers. And it's become a little more expansive over time just because it had to because so much has changed in those states. But it turns out that they are growing that they are stable that they didn't do risky things and more and more people are actually shifting their money there because they know their credit union and they're a member of their credit union and as they were watching the meltdown from 2007 in 2008 I think people are beginning to think small and local has its virtues. Well we've done some great stories. Yet we've done some stories here about people going to this. Being involved in the small bank movement I note that in this piece it says that The New Hampshire's twenty two credit unions the assets have grown from 4 billion to more than 5 billion so that's a 20 25 percent bump in Generally they say has happened here and right about that.

Robert I mean the fact is on the Emily Rooney show her guests were talking about the Bank of America increase of $5 per month for fees to do whatever. You know used to use your debit card debit card I've never used your debit card which seems counterintuitive because that's your cash she would think you could be use it without having to pay the bank to do it. But be that as it may this is the kind of action by banks and this case a very large bank that I think makes credit unions more interesting to people. Well yeah I think that a lot of people realize the biggest banks you know it's there's been increasing consolidation overwhelmingly in their public companies for the benefit of their shareholders and especially their senior executives shareholders. Those in the end I think most large companies like that in America are really run overwhelmingly for the benefit of senior executives. And so people see this money going to them and they also have you know you don't have to have very long memory to know what the big money center

banks did in. An Associated financial enterprise did in 2007 2008 and 2009. So there's a great deal of I think resentment against these enterprises and people see their huge fees and they see them as distant as cold. They're senior executives as rapacious and ruthless. And so I think you're going to find local enterprises such as credit unions and you know the few remaining local banks like savings banks and this kind of thing becoming a bit more popular in the next few years and it's also it's kind of like the local food movement where you kind of know you kind of like to bump into people producing your services and you know you're doing business with I think this can be a little moved back and you have Iraq I mean how many how many credit unions played in the derivatives market you know what I mean.

You start and then you and you look at their at their loan packages and how many of them have actually invested in stable businesses and and stable you know home mortgages. That really speaks to a community because you don't want to feel vulnerable for something that had nothing to do with your behavior and at least a credit union reflects your economy and your behavior and your geography. And when you invest in those huge huge banks you begin to wonder wait a minute who is actually dictating my economic future. Are you guys going to make sure they are well regulated same time back about 20 years ago some of you may recall it was something they called the credit union crisis in Rhode Island where a lot of these sort of on federally supervised credit unions went bust. The state had to bail them out. It was a disaster of this storm for the people who are flexion the curious folkways of Rhode Island. Well Paul are you saying down there a move toward small community banks on the Cape.

Well I can tell you we are in our house. Just this morning speaking to my wife she said you know we have some banking and Bank of America she's going to move it out. They're not going to pay them $5 a month to access my own money. And I think that's the fact. You're going to see across the board and you already are I think what we're seeing in New Hampshire with this move toward credit unions is something that you probably could reflect across the country because of all the reasons we just described. They have better rates better customer service in most cases. They're usually locally run and just sort of the philosophy of we're going to take our money and we're going to invest it. To the better good of the credit union as opposed to going to shareholders or senior executives including let's kill Rob let's let's face it the money center banks is just how does tremendous corruption. All right well we'll see we'll see what happens because let's not forget that one of the advantages that a big bank offers is convenience and a lot of people like that and they may be willing to pay for it so we'll see.

Can I Just Tell You seem to want one more thing into into presidential politics we had Buddy Roemer at our house because my husband is a Republican and he happens to be running for president although you would never know it. And it turns out he was not. When I was away on that Emily Bronte show earlier today. OK but he is he is a community banker and that's what he talks about all the time because he says heres the difference between my background economically and the rest of those boys. I understand why a local has some real benefit. So I just want to put that into perspective that's part of his portfolio and part of why he says you can I you can trust me where you can trust the rest of the boys and it goes back to banking it's fascinating. Well I'll just say that the Associated Press had a survey this summer asking people if they would pay for the convenience of debit card if the fees were in the neighborhood of $5 and about 66 percent said no they would go out of whack your filters and they did that. All right well hey I tried to stick up for Bank of America. $5 is coming to you.

Proud of that of the Cape Cod Times you have a very good piece following a series you've been doing about addiction. I think some people may know that there are some high rates of substance abuse down on the Cape and the islands that often doesn't get talked about but you all have been delving into it. Tell us about it. Yeah it's really a troubling story because the Cape you know has of course this reputation as the tourism mecca the destination market. But we have some very real world problems down here as well. And one is certainly has to do with drug abuse. We are in fact the second highest county in the Commonwealth for per capita Badal overdoses. That's a real problem. And what we're seeing more and more frightening numbers is the the personal effects of that. And we've done a series of stories on our pill abuse and heroin addiction which is growing and talking to the moms and the dads who have lost young or young ones kids who you know just 20

years ago maybe would have gone to a party and dabbled in a little alcohol now they're going to these pill parties where people basically take prescription meds that they feel out of the medicine cabinet dump them into a ball and just pop them in their mouth. It's really frightening stuff. And it's the good news is that by shedding a lot of light on what's been. Happening this major problem people have been coming forward just this past week there was the first ever candlelight vigil held in the high end of town green for families and friends of drug addicts to speak out. And it's interesting because they talked about how for years they were silenced by the shame of their situation and now they feel somewhat empowered to come out and talk about it and there's been their stories are incredibly powerful. I know that there was a vigil held this summer and Rockland 100 people were expected according your story and 500 people showed up so there's obviously increasing interest and getting this out in the public.

It's a good news bad news story of course in that when you have numbers like that it you're happy that people are engaged and come out you're you're feeling bad however that you know this number of people typically are touched by this because the person after person you go to can tell their own story in an eerily similar story to the person. All right moving back to New Hampshire. Arnie I I'm I'm just flabbergasted I guess about this hospital being charged about encouraging early release of some inmates so the hospital doesn't have to pay for her medical records or have you but not come on come on OK. The American health care. Yeah. Well I know this is this is the great part of the story The problem is we decided many many years ago to throw the book at everyone and we've seen a huge increase in our prison prison population and people of being incarcerated now and being incarcerated for really long periods of time. And one of the people who are being incarcerated probably come in very healthy and they're probably not get more so you know over time.

And as long as they're within the prison system the state or the county has to pay the health bill as soon as you dump them on the street. Guess what. They become a responsibility of compensated care at a hospital or Medicaid or Medicare or someone else has to pay that very expensive bill. And when you were looking at shrinking budgets you are certainly going to say you know that didn't really look like a felony to me a mail call about a misdemeanor or you know this guy's been on good behavior we're about let him out after two days because it turns out he has cancer and we don't want to pay for that. So that's the. It's exactly right. So so and this but this is a story that is happening everywhere because everyone is looking at someone else to pay the cost of health care. And isn't it ironic we're seeing it now being played out between you know a county off a county office in the county prison and the local health care system. But it's true because it's like a balloon you punch it in one side it pops out the other. And the fact that people are saying

this out loud is the irony here because everyone has known it for months and years. And as the budgets are shrinking more and more people are trying to figure out how do we let them out of jail we can't afford the yearly fee and we absolutely can't afford the medical bills. OK well now that it's out what's going to happen. Anything you know. OK. You know I think. I mean I mean they're going to say they're going to say trust us we would not let out someone who would harm the community and at the same time it just put them to the top of the list if they happen to be sick that's all. OK. You know they're rearranging the deckchairs. Robert let's finish up with humans this very interesting story about Mrs. Quinby who made her money off the Burts bee line and she wants to create a new National Park in Maine this is great. Well I think it's not a terrific movie the second National Park after Acadia desert island hote and few other fragments. But basically she's been running to a lot of a lot of opposition from hunters and fisherman who go

and snowmobilers who want unintended access to those great northern great northern woods a lot of which used to be you know paper paper pulp farms if you will. Tense and tense. They cared so her delist to assuage the hunters and fishermen. She would set aside quite a bit of acreage where the snow will be Ehlers on the fishermen hunters good far away and sort of a soft sort of throwing a bone to them and then the rest of this land would be a national park. We're not trying to. Yeah who's opposed to that. That sounds great. Well a lot of a lot of a lot of the old maniacs you know they want to they don't want anything sealed off like that park you know in a national park you aren't supposed to hunt. I think there are usually restrictions on style dealing and stuff like that so she's offering a hug a land where they could do that stuff.

But this isn't the point here that she has she bought like a hundred thousand sheep right now under private property rights. She could post it and say you can't step on. Sure not like you know she would on it you can't use lighting on it. And so there are these people who are at the same time you know genuflecting to the private property concept and yet with this woman who has actually purchased the land you know wants to make certain decisions about this property they're apoplectic Well you know you can't have it both ways. No that's part of the irony of this. Exactly right. Oh it's I mean I think she's put on my sort of editor. I think she's terrific the way she done it she's Roman you know and you know that it's 100 to mine all mine as much of those snowmobilers you know they run over deer and stuff like that. But she's you know throwing a bone. So you know I know that your piece says that she's using her money roughly 350 million she may want to sell the business and she's trying to conserve the land Wow. So you know wonderful things like Baxter national Baxter State Park where Mount ton is which was given by this rich guy Percival Baxter is the governor I think back when

20 30 something like that he just gave the whole plan and it's a wonderful example of philanthropy. You know when I think about the story I think about we're celebrating the 50th anniversary of the Cape Cod National Seashore a right good point. And everyone thinks looking back that what a great thing and what a natural decision but at the time it was very controversial certainly because you had private home owners that were going to be at the footprint of the seashore placed over them so it took quite a bit of a net to get people on board and it's a good thing a very look at the treasure we have now. So you got up on this woman for doing. Yeah absolutely. Great lady. That's a great way to end our week. Discussion we've been talking regional news with Paul Provo editor of the Cape Cod Times radio and TV commentator Arnie Arneson in New Hampshire and Robert Wickham the vice president and editorial page editor of The Providence Journal. I'm going up we're taking a turn from the serious to the sublimely ridiculous with a tour of this week's tabloids. We'll be back after this break stay tuned to eighty nine point seven.

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horses and off road vehicles. Local issues local talk Boston Public Radio. It's the rag time view of the week's coverage in tabloids. It's an examination of the salacious the ridiculous and everything in between. But this being public radio we'll conduct our review with the help of some high brow analysts. Thomas Connelly a professor of English at Suffolk University and Rachel Ruben chair of the department of American studies at UMass Boston. Welcome you to go again. Well the end of this week brings some sad news we lost a really important person in music history and a woman for once. Yeah I say that because often when these stories have to do with men who have made some great crime to be Asian. So Sylvia Robinson who some call the mother of hip hop died earlier this week at the age

of 75. If people are trying to figure out who she is and why her name does not ring a bell it's because probably because they know her music better. And I thought I play a little bit of it and we can talk about her legacy and all of her good work. So she was one of the people that put together the Sugarhill Gang and also brought together some of the first rappers. And here's Grandmaster Flash as 1980 to track the message. If you will the people on the stage you know they just don't like to take that step the most. I just know it's just in the league baseball to achieve. The goals. So I think if people don't know the song they know that chorus chorus and song for that matter

and that sampled time and time again. The great thing about Sylvia Robinson's career is it spanned from 50s R&B to early 70s whispery soul to the late 70s complete transformation of the music industry. She founded Sugar Hill Records. You know this story probably apocryphal but a great story nonetheless is that she was sitting in a pizza parlor in Englewood New Jersey heard her son and his friends doing something that something turned out to be rapping. And then she founded the records with its reference implicit reference to Harlem in the name of Sugar Hill right Sugar Hill Records. Put up would you put out the music not only of Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five but sequins treacherous to Sugar Hill game all of the great great early you know commercially recorded hip hop artists. She was truly a musical giant for so many decades. You're right to recall her long legacy because I had heard her love is strange peace in my house that my parents are playing it right. And Sylvia you know Mickey and Sylvia is deranged. I don't know

this. Something right away I don't really get this sort of history of commercial music from the 50s on I mean even lollipop man you know a song she recorded when the Kodak was all the rage. But it's also very controversial I found out this morning when I was reading the obituaries and Jay-Z apparently has something against her and this incited a lot of blogging and commentary you know respect the woman and so forth. What is the issue that the Sugarhill Gang was you know fly by night on one hit. That's it. And she also cheated other artists and so forth. A lot of similar things you hear about you know the the industry cheating artists. But also I think the fact that she was a woman is outstanding and this is not a genre that is known to be particularly welcoming to women artists and I think her stature.

Maybe rankles certain people because of her gender. No I think that's absolutely right. And. I think that it's hard for people to get their minds around the fact that that she in fact you know argued about where rap started where hip hop started but she was definitely one of the first drivers and the first sort of commercially you know distributing nationwide you know taking it out of New York. Right exactly and now with regard to women in the business I should note that Berkeley College of Music is doing a whole panel of hip hop executives who are female Monday and we happen to have someone on the show to talk about that Monday. So you can look forward to this Ellen. All right so moving on to a list of quote unquote music that some are arguing about. So once again the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame has released its list of 15 nominees. And I got to say it's quite odd. So let me for everybody here. I want you to I want to play

one of the nominees now this is the spinners. This is their 1972 hit. I'll be around. Now I can dance to it I like to sing it but I do not call this rock n roll Tom. And what is it on a summer doing on the list. She's great. Donna Summer is great but come on rocker. The only song that I would the least that the sample they put up was the Beastie Boys. You know we gotta fight for the right to party too but it's always amazing every year this comes up and people get so angry about it and they're so vested in this I mean I used to be on the board for the in the theater hall of fame and you would think you know theater people would get their claws out.

This is nothing. Compared to what you know rock bands people are doing just as much that they do include not too many nominees who are not strictly speaking rock and roll and that they don't include enough nominees who are not strictly speaking rock n roll so you know the politics of this are always been interesting especially since we're still playing this game of catch up. You know the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame has been inducting since 1986. Ten people inducted then. You know interesting gender and racial politics as well. All right first woman was a Retha Franklin the second year the first year there were no women in the 10 the first the next year there was a reason Franklin then not another woman until I think 1992 or something like this. But this year you know that I just want to speak about some of the nominees the spinners that you just played just showing how much emotionality you can rest out of perfection of vocal harmony. I know but it's R n B. Well that's all right. You are in Cali are you going to force me to put my historian's tats and you can't talk about rock n roll without talking about rhythm and blues you know you just can't it's a one of the stream that on your own there yeah yeah yeah I mean yes you know Donna Summer you know showing us that music

is a subset of liberation for instance or Eric B and rock him who have nominated their little phrase paid in full just defining and expressing a whole generation of hip hop and showing us that you know being existing on being paid for black men can be can be radical and I'm surprised that you're accepting of the Beastie Boys in there Thomas I mean they're for their rap. They are not rock and now well never never. They're very good because the biggest white Reno rap. Well I don't know if Ana Horvitz would agree with you. Oh he's good. The other thing is I think the Democrat is a bit strange. I mean can you imagine 45 years ago talking about the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame and these gradations of discussion and splitting of hairs between John Reese and subgenres. It tells you how establishment rock n roll is I mean nothing to find a letter that's a good point that I just you know and it is not that I don't think that there is not a whole lot of overlap and Fusion always going on and not ancestral roots if you will of rock n roll in R&B you know they should say that.

But if they do have you know had a choreo you know predecessors were they also induct people I know but I just I guess I just think that if I hear rock n roll I want to just go immediately to something that makes me think rock and roll and apparently there's a big there's a lot of anger about the absence of a band called Rush. And I'm just I'm not familiar with them but people are mad because they say they should be in the wrong I don't think I think I think they trust me they can wait. All right OK. Moving on the Postal Service is going to honor living celebrities on stamps I'm actually pretty excited about this. They say they want to give people as the old people said their roses while they were alive. I'm sure they want to sell stamps too. You know and then too I think hugely important historical prophecies coming together here. One is the reason they need to do that is because you know various technological advances have rendered post the Postal Service you know something not quite obsolete but approaching it and they do need to sell stamps and interest people. And then the other thing is the credible extension of celebrity culture. That's the way to interest people and sell stamps is

precisely this way. You know other things have been done in the past I don't know scented stamps 3 D stamps. Right but right now this is the way at it people are being allowed to recommend celebrities they would like to honor on the stamps electronically. Yeah yeah. So that's a whole I mean you can put yourself on a stamp if you will on your list if you don't have to have it yeah yeah yeah. So stamps generate 250 million to 300 million in annual sales for the post office I did not know that. And it does pay $5000 to artists who design and paint stamped images that's great. I'm personally excited not necessarily about living folks I am excited about that but they just announced that Romer Bearden one of the great African-American artists of all time is going to be one of the forever stamp So that's the only one not go away. You know after a short period of time. OK well now this isn't just a story I find very interesting. The creator of Doritos had a couple of weeks ago. And.

So that everybody understands the importance of Derrida. Let's listen to Stephen Colbert there on America's first ever tortilla snack. The reader knows gave me the money to produce stows groundbreaking shows as I believe also big Minato cheese long. Haul and it's one of the few snacks that is possible. I love it Steven go there. Well the reason I was interested in this story is because the guy who invented Arch West died he was 97 and the family is tossing or did toss the radio chips into the grave with him as a sign of respect I guess Tom. I'm. Just speechless over this one. I had such morbid thoughts. I'm not crazy about to read O's for

the terrible things that are to nutritional values but just the thought. If you know it's going to encourage worms faster but I guess he's already been cremated so it's not a moot point. Forgive me for disparaging the dead person but this is such a strange thing to me the idea that Doritos being tossed into the grave after the founder I was trying to think of a similar Well you know uncommon got gold tossed and put it Graham-Cumming are sort of another adventure somehow. Yeah I had some token of his or her invention tossed in afterwards. I mean this is just I guess that the family really believes some Doritos. The daughter said they would be tossing to read those chips in before they put the dirt over the urn. I don't think you know for all of my my thigh don't run quite as much to morbidity as like to me it seems like a fun game to think of who would then want to have what tossed in with them. But it doesn't seem any stranger to me than any other thing people asked to be buried with or buried wearing or you know what not it's that it's just a way of expressing that I don't know sentiment at a

difficult moment marking the legacy. I note that the readers were introduced in the mid 1960s. There are now 23 flavors I think the real tragedy is that we don't know whether was cool ranch or nacho cheese. Well get on it. Why don't you find that out. Are you OK. I mean I think these questions have to be answered. There is really it's not like All right Stephen King has been known to scare the pants off everybody certainly me I can't read his stuff because I'd be up all night with the lights on. Anyway one of his most famous books made into a movie 1980 thriller called The Shining. Here's a trailer to the 1980 no. I don't suppose I tell you anything in Denver about the tragedy we had appeared during the winter in 1970. My name Charles Grady is the winter caretaker. He came up here with his wife and two little girls they told me the same Michael completely individual. But at

some point. During that one must have suffered some kind of a complete mental breakdown. You can rest assured Mr. ohm that's not going to happen with me little hair on my chest. Just say Anytime Jack Nicholson's opens his mouth at all I start to get really really anxious and I think it goes back to having seen this movie Nineteen eighty and I haven't been willing to watch it said so even you know with my kids watching too and so forth it's really really scary. Well we're talking about it because he's doing a sequel. I mean I'm the majority one here I guess I saw it when it first came out and I can remember being bored. It was. It just seemed to me to be yet another relentless Stanley Kubrick you know watching paint dry watching side being pressed. I mean there and you know here's Johnny I can number

laughing at that just waiting for it to end and it is going to be a sequel I just I'm dreading the movie I mean. Well I have to say is I'm the I'm the person that leaps across the room to mute the sound when I hear the adds risk just like I know the cider press. But it's you know it. I am very interested first of all that he waited 30 some years to do the sequel and to sort of think about you know genre fiction is very well established as a place where we sort of work out broad questions. You know with the opportunity to do that because of the formula and it's like you know little deviations and so forth. So in this one the little boy from the first movie and book is all grown up and using his psychic powers both for his personal gain and to assist people in sort of crossing over the line from life into death so you know you have to wonder what it means for him to wait this long and then make a movie about. What about assisting death. I'll just leave that there and I was interested by what Steven King said about how he kept

this idea in his head somebody asked him Do you have a notebook to jot down ideas you have he said no. That way the good ones stay with me. And I haven't been able to stay away from The Shining. And so he's absolutely compelled to write the sequel that I thought sounded interesting. I don't have something in mind to do with that so the novel coming out first he did a little bit of reading from the novel out at a reading he gave not long ago and then one can only assume that the movie will be made of the sequel obviously Stanley Kubrick has died so they'll have to be another director. But Jack Nicholson is still around. I mean they still have to boy. Oh I definitely will tell you that. With seconds to go many are noting that the Twitterers of all Twitter. Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher have stopped tweeting and believe that's an indication that they have broken up. Yes and also the alleged third woman has been advised by her attorneys to delete all of her social media accounts. Nothing's going on. Yeah but

that begs the question if you aren't on social media are you doing anything to exist. Yes yes this it is interesting that this coincides with could you his new role on Two And A Half Men and now everybody is sort of paying attention. Well I hope not they were apparently apart on their anniversary and that was noted and nobody tweeted. So there you go. We'll have to stay tuned. All right. Well thanks you very much for another edition of red time we're going to let Donna Summer's hit bad girls take us into the Friday afternoon. She's on the list for the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame and she's a hometown girl. Professor Thomas Connelly of Suffolk University professor a few Rueben of UMass Boston. Thank you again. You can keep on top of the Calla Crossley Shelly WGBH dot org slash Calla Crossley follow us on Twitter. Become a fan of the Kalak Rossley show on Facebook today show was engineer by Jane pic produced by Chelsea Mertz will Rose lip and Abbey Risiko the Calla Crossley Show is a production of WGBH Boston Public Radio.