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The inequality and resource predation manageable. It's a way for those in power to decentralize the responsibilities of managing resources without ever having to take you know to take to take responsibility for them in other words. Commons big can become a management tool a way of keeping the status quo going but using people's own organizing ability to be able to suffer that status quo a little a little more consensually. But it is I mean in the book I talk about Gandhi in a Buddhist economics. The actually has the sort of idea of social justice behind it. And I think it's important to and also to talk about some anti-capitalist struggles to the that involve a more honest reading of how the Commons work because the Commons historically has always been about a battle. A battle for resources in the context of certainly of in the British case in the English case of privatisation the Commons have always been. In other words a space for Politics

at the borders of the commons as well as within the Commons. And that's I mean I think that that in a sense much more in keeping with the spirit of the commons that there's something about challenging bigger inequalities in power in the way that Commons work and current Commons have historically worked than than than one might necessarily get from from reading purely from a catalogue of Elinor Ostrom work. So it's a long way of saying actually you know it's almost necessary to be involved in social justice and involved in and struggles around capitalism fully to to realize the full potential of the idea of the commons. And this is without romanticizing Obviously there are common resource poor regimes that are discriminatory and that's why I think it's important to marry ideas about the commons and social justice with these ideas of rights. Otherwise you end up with the commons the work just by excluding people and that's you know that seems to be not not in keeping with social justice either. So I think there's a lot of borrowing that needs to happen. But the good news is that there's there

are lots of ideas around that that we can fuse together and develop in some very interesting ways. I hear.