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Just wanna get out there. But you know I think I had somebody said you know you sort of start at the top and you work your way down but everybody has a different top and there's such a huge spread and as much as people talk about the short story being in peril there are a lot of great places to publish that are just that care so much about your stories and that if they accept one of your damn treats you for at least know the next issue comes out like a prince it's great. You know you get proofs and they tell you they love you and how much they love your story I'm so happy to be there. And that's just we need to hear because like Steve mentioned it's such a solitary profession I mean it's you and it's the page and something like this I mean you know I've I don't think ever published in a magazine with a circulation of more than 5000. So when I saw the print out for this thing I was like holy cow that's a lot of people reading my story. I mean this is the story isn't it was in the Cincinnati review which is a wonderful magazine it's I think they're in their sixth year now. Brock Clark was a great writers the fiction editor there. They do incredible work but you know they're they're a tiny magazine and they have they have to fight for attention like everywhere else. So when I got into that American I was thrilled partly because it's like you know I'm in. But also felt like hooray for the Cincinnati review because now more people will I hope

read the Cincinnati review and see what incredible incredible work they do and you over time you I mean you have to read the journals you can't. It's kind of disingenuous. It's dishonest it's probably immoral to submit to places and never buy a literary magazine yourself. This is the thing I get all my students all the time about because they asked the last course I said and I said What do you what's what magazines do you read like more I don't read new literary magazines I've been don't submit your stories any literary magazines you find when you read them over and over the places have a feeling a kind of take when I wrote the story of this was for a long time my Cincinnati review story because it isn't since an interview loves kind of voice driven stories. You know first person voice you really get into and I thought for a while like this is going to be the one the prox going to like because I've been at him for a while with other stories and I knew he was I knew he'd like it because he's not like other things I'd written. So when he said Yes I thought that was honest. But you know you read these and you read these magazines and you realize Rick mentioned you know The New Yorker story not just the layout but from the few you kind of know that's a New Yorker story. The more you read other magazines you get a feeling for what you know maybe what its in-house story or

perish of your story or Cincinnati review story. I saw the interview story is and you kind of can target your stories better in that way. Nothing I want to give them what they always published but you kind of get a sense of the writers of static. I mean one other short cut Sorry to but I would say you know decide which writers you have an affinity for you maybe have some similarities with see where they've published. But first go out and read some eggs. Yeah. Follow your advice. First I think that is it. Thank you so much for coming to Heather Jean and thanks again to all of our wonderful panelists this evening and thanks to all of you for joining us. If you're staying for a signing and ask a favor that you hold your seat for just a moment we have a tragic table shortage in the house nights we're going to take in these tables here and moving them to the back of the hall and I don't want to conquer anybody with the table. So if you're ex sitting in the axing of these doors to my left to right will be having a signing at the back of the hall. You have to

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