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You Well, let's start off, I guess you're born, you're a different creature. You're born weather for the Oklahoma. You don't know in 1898. And where did you go? Prepschool at NMO, NM College. Okay, is that where you, that's where you've got started in sports? My first activity
in sports was I was in the eighth and ninth grade at Weatherford, Oklahoma. And I started out in track and basketball. And then my first experience with football was at Oklahoma State, which was Oklahoma and NM College then. And I played on the prep football team, on the prep basketball team. We didn't have prep track team. So then I became eligible for athletics immediately in the middle of the year and started in with on the basketball team. My first
game that I ever played was against University. And John Leeve, a big center, and I jumped center against, the played center against him. At that time, after ever basketball was thrown up in the center between the two centers. So started with another jump, really a jump ball, as we'd say now. So after ever score, after ever score you jump, again, took the ball back to the center and jumped. So I was here at 5.11 and a half. He was 6.5, so I didn't have too much of a chance. So nobody took an out-jumping him. I was able to hold my own at least.
You wound up playing football and you were captain basketball team. Captain of the basketball team, captain of the track team. What did you run in front of him? Everything. Everything. I was an all-round man. In fact, I ran the 100, 220 and the 440 and ran on a relay team. Then I had a broad jump, high jump, shot, viscous, and jab. So most of the time I wasn't able to do all of those in one meet. But I remember one particular meet at Central State Teachers College where that I scored 33 points and one only one first place. Who were your coaches at that time? In basketball was pressured. Basketball and football.
And in track was EC Gallagher. Later on, the director of athletics there. And at that time he was really just a physical education teacher and the track coach. Later on he started wrestling and and was the wrestling coach which he's known better for now than anything else. Although he was a great track man in his college days and he held two records that were not broken until way up in the 20s. But how did you get interested in wrestling? Well my interest in wrestling came about I think because my brother
was a member of the wrestling team and I just learned a little bit about it. And then by accident when I was a coach and when I went to coach a Yale Oklahoma little high school they wanted to start a wrestling team and no one else knew anything about wrestling. And so they asked me to be the wrestling coach. And my brother came over on Saturdays and helped us. So we started a wrestling team at Yale and as we were lucky to have three or four boys that were just natural wrestlers and the team did pretty good for the first year anyway.
So was your brother now that you really got you? Oh yes, my brother was very very definitely my interest. And taught me most of the wrestling that I knew. Where had he been? He would be just picked it up from Mr. Gallagher and the team. He started out and learned wrestling and made the wrestling team three years. And so I always thought he was new quite a bit in fact as he became the wrestling coach at the University of Michigan and was there for 46 years. And with the longest coaching career at that time of any coach in the country. Okay, so you learn about wrestling at that time.
Was wrestling that big you mentioned that Mr. Gallagher really got it? You started and so on. Was it that biggest sport at that time in the 20s? No, really it wasn't. There wasn't any such thing as a national college me at all. A few schools in the country had wrestling. There was Texas A&M Nebraska and Iowa State and Oklahoma A&M at that time. So being really a new sport the national A&U was the only national recognition that they could get so and also then making the Olympic team.
And during the Olympic years there was some interest in trying the fact that it is the NM boys did try out for the Olympic team. And the guy let the ball was one of the first men to even make the United States Olympic team. So after you were about wrestling you went to Yale? I'd just stayed there one year. I didn't have my degree. So I was anxious to go back to school and NM. I guess the fall of 19 22 and 23. And during that year I
although I continued playing football, basketball and track, I did spend a little more time trying to learn something more about wrestling. And I think I succeeded in learning some of the fundamentals. And especially the philosophy of Mr. Gallagher who was the wrestling coach. No, I almost got kicked off the basketball team. And I think that was the most important thing for me. If I didn't quit messing around over there on that wrestling mat, he is going to. So I watched him and he could see me. I didn't get out on
wrestling mats. No, Mr. Gallagher was a real friend of mine. In fact, he was the influence that made me go to Oklahoma. A number of years earlier, I won a 4-H club trip to the state fair. And Mr. Gallagher was the counselor of the boys at Oklahoma City at the state fair. And at that time, he was such a counselor. I fell in love with him. And they had a little track meet. And I, one second place in the 50-yard dash and the metal that they gave before was an Oklahoma man named Banner. So I cherished that
banner and I took it home and I made up my mind then one of these days I was going to A&M College. And that, so I looked for Mr. Gallagher when I got there and he proved to be a friend of me all during my college career. And also after I came to the university as a coach, he was a friend of mine as well as a competitor. Did you ever coach a college? I coached one year. My first year that I ever coached was a Conor State School of Agriculture and a bit Warner. And the interesting thing there that these were, they just had at that time they called it a college where all of them went
through just high school. And it was made up of boys that had neglected after they finished the eighth grade to go on to high school and some of them had reached a little older age than others. So I had six boys on the football team the first year that were older than I was. So I went back to school and by the way, Max McCullough and Clay Beach both radar became coaches. After back to school you had coached Yale and you went back. I went back to still water to school another year and got along with him for the first year. But then the spring I was offered a job
out at Cheerio Club. So I took that and spent three years out there. And I followed board chase who had started wrestling there and board chase was an Oklahoma and they were out there. So he had put a good foundation of wrestling and had some good boys and so I had a lot of fun and just taking what he had built up and going through the season. Of course I was. At Cheerio I coached everything including football and in the winter I had basketball
both boys and girls and the wrestling and in the spring I had track baseball and had a little tennis team. So we did fairly well and all nothing. At the end all the news. And from Gary I got an invitation to come to University of Oklahoma. Claude Reed told me on the phone and then said, would you be interested? You probably know Holly Wallace has resigned as Lee Wallace has resigned as blind coach and Claude Reed said he was moving up to that job. But it left and they can see his wrestling I'd be interested. And I told him my
sure I was. He asked me when when Quentin was going to be there. And I told him that day after tomorrow I'd be down here. And from that as I came through Oklahoma City, there was a piece in the times that I'd been hired as the wrestling coach even before I got down here. But I came on down here and there was about the job here and the ground. And Mr. Ones just said, well, he said, do you want the job? And I said, we're sure I do. He said, well, we recommend you to board the regents. But he said, they've always observed our recommendations. So you have the job.
We were not salary or anything else. And so then. So I found out he told me that what salary was and it was less than I'd been making in high school. So he said, well, said, we'll see that that phrased up. At least what you were getting in high school. So that was the start. What was the state of the wrestling program? Well, Polly Wallace had built wrestling on a pretty fair foundation. And he did have fundamentals of good good wrestling. He had a couple of boys that he had taken to the National AU Meet the Year before. One or two other boys. Two other boys. Two others had graduated, including
Bob Cook, who also was a good wrestler. And then we had a nucleus of all four or five boys that had wrestled the year before. And then we had three new boys that came on that helped us a great deal. And that was Kidd Leech, as he called him Kidd Leech. And he learned and Leo Miller. We also went on up. We had an ortho-leech with Kidd Leech's brother that wrestled at 145. But also he had
competition there. So he didn't make the team. The captain of the team was Carl Bouchera at 145. And he had another competition there. English, I and G. L. I.S. Bill English. And they battled nearly every weekend to see who was going to wrestle at 145. And I had to boil the name of D-Fall, you're at 158. And then we jump to 75 with Kidd Leech. I can't even think of his name now. And boil them a nap at heavy weight.
Then we had some other boys that came along. But the first match against them. Well, we started out. Our dual meet season and a pretty good shape. And I remember our first match against that we had against the NM at that time. And Leech, Man-tooth, and things were different after that. We lost that match 16-9. Oh yeah, well, Harold keith designed a little nickname and he called
the three mighty atoms. And They wrestled, of course, three years and lost very few matches. So we had a good start and nearly ever do a meet that we got into. We'd start with those three and the rest of the boys had to kind of follow suit. Were the weights that much different? The weights then were 118 pounds, then 125, 135, 45, 158, 175, and heavyweight. I've forgotten when they were changed, but they were changed to, first 118, then 126, 137, and 47, and 58, then 175, and heavyweight. And then they were been changed two or three times since that.
What were the facilities like for wrestling? We had one big 18 by 18 wrestling match. And my first year, we started in what's known now as the military armory at the university. And we had one, as I said, one 18 by 18 match that was used also. We'd have used it for our matches, and then we had a smaller little 16 by 16 match. So those two matches were all of our facilities were. I tried to build up, we had about 30 or 35 boys that came out for wrestling the first year that I was here. And out of that 35, we kept most of them that year, and the next year even increased the number that wanted to come out.
How did you get people to come out for wrestling? Well, it really is unusual. Most of the boys that came out for wrestling when my first team here were poor boys, and they came out on their own. We had a few of them that had to have some help. We would find a job for them for their board, some of them for their room, and very few of them where we could find jobs where they could get paid for it. When they got paid for it, it was 25 cents an hour, it was going wage at that time.
So that was their conversation? I did find, as the years came on, I got acquainted, and we found board jobs at TFT area and at restaurants and boarding houses for boys in exchange for their work, so that quite a number of boys that we found jobs for. I know a lot of times you'd have, at least earlier, you'd have players that would play surface sports as you did. Do you have a lot of people in wrestling and also playing other sports? Well, we didn't have too many, but yes, we did have some that way. First year, I don't believe that I didn't.
Yes, it did. It had NAP, came out for heavyweight and was a football player. But outside of that, a few years later, came along some of the football players, and also we had some of the baseball players that were in the football players. One of the first ones was Mary Informman, who was a football player. And hardly Lewis, although he was rather small, he played guard, but he is 145 pounds wrestler. And then one of the, probably one of the first outstanding football players that wrestled with red stacey at a heavyweight, and Alice Beshera, those are two football players that later on wrestled for us.
As far as rules and that kind of thing, what might be a couple of rules that were different at that time than they are? Well, one of the biggest things was the wrestling in those days, there's only two things you can do, and of course, for a fall, or you could get a decision. And by getting a decision, was a matter of having control, as we call it, a man that was on top, a matter of time. And if he had controlled his men as much as two minutes, he got a decision. If he didn't, of course, and then there wasn't a fall, it was a draw. So, and there were also the bounce was divided into three ten minute periods.
And you had to win two of the three, or unless it was by fall. And you had to win two of the three periods by a decision to win your match or win by fall. So, many times you wrestled three ten minute periods, it was still a draw. Then you wrestled two three minute periods, what they called extension periods, to determine, that so, in reality, a match could go as long as 36 minutes. For a man. For a man. Which was it, well, very seldom ever happened either. Was there a lot of the action on the man, or mostly standing up?
Well, in both ways. Most, of course, if you were on the mat, when you got on the mat, I usually, there was a decision was rendered, because it would have enough on the mat control. I had one match that I remember quite a lot of that. Boy, I had a minute and 55 seconds time advantage, yet it was a draw. So, and that was the only criterion that there is. The one and such thing is a near fall to get a point. In fact, when we started the Olympic years, and they'd go to AAU wrestling, the Olympic years, they did have the point system.
And there's a different set of rules in the National AAU, so National Collegiate Rules began to change there as to be more like the National AAU rules and the Olympic rules, so that there wouldn't be such a change in the Olympic years. Did you travel around? Well, we went back east to Lehigh, who was at Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, went to the National Meet there, we went up to Penn State. So, we made pretty long trips, or even going to Iowa State to dance Iowa and Nebraska, and we always drove, went by car as a rule, so it was kind of rough on sometimes. What did you have as far as expenses?
Well, really, most of the time, our own conference had a set conference fee of only $150, but that was just a matter of exchange when I went to one conference school. I'd get $150 when they'd come to ours, so it just kind of evened out as far as the conference was concerned. But outside of the conference, we usually were lucky if we got expenses when we went to another school, and most of the schools that came to OU were lucky if they got their expenses when they came there. So, in fact, the first wrestling match that we had at home, I was surprised to find out that they didn't even charge for wrestling matches. And it embarrassed me, and I said right then, I said, if it's not at worth charging for, it's not worth going to see,
so I was going to do really the charge for it, or I'm not going to have anything to do with it, so they did. From then on, they charged for home wrestling matches, had it on the student ticket, and also, but the crowds gradually increased, even in fact, I would say, they increased more after we charged for it than they did when they added free. The fact that the field house was being built the first year that I came here, so we were one of the first ones to move into the field house. And our practice rooms were on the east side, which is now, I don't know, an apparatus room, I think, mail. And we wrestled our matches, and we're wrestled our matches in the field house, with a temporary floor in there and used barrels with gas to heat the building with.
I'm just about to ask you about that as far as the competition for the field house, there were a lot of things going on. Well, yes, basketball was king. You could use the basketball team, wasn't using it. So, the wrestling, we did have our wrestling room, was at east, what's now, it's an apparatus room, and we'd gotten a few more mats, and really we had, I think, three 18 by 18 mats in there. And one of them, we had to use, of course, when we were doing our meat, we'd pull it out on the floor.
By the way, in those days, two, another thing that we put up ropes, like you do in a boxing match now, and we had ropes around the mat, so they didn't run off of it, as much as they do now. In fact, one of the ingenuities of learning to wrestle was to learn how to get a man up against the ropes and make him straighten up and get a hold on him and pull him back onto the mat. So, we learned that pretty early. Well, wrestling at that time was at the bottom of, as far as popularity or part, as far as the department was concerned in the athletic program.
So, it really wasn't at that time considered too important. Well, no, I don't say that I built it up. The boys themselves built it up. It was a little new to the boys when I came here that we started. They couldn't see any connection between long running and wrestling, but I put them on a schedule of running at least two to three and sometimes four miles. The fact of it is most of the boys, when they started out there, what we called, at that time we went off down from the field house.
We'd go down to what we call the river bridge and back, which is a distance of about three miles. And the boys then got a pretty good condition. And they found out that it paid off and as our, well, I brag to the fact that we didn't lose a match because of condition. Our boys were in better condition than most of the teams that we met outside of our dear friend, those who made an effort. They taught me that and they did the same thing. Their boys ran three and four miles every morning. I guess a little bit of an A&M was your biggest rival. They were definitely were, although I was state with autopolic up there was just formidable as a national figure as A&M was.
What might be your most memorable match? Is there anyone that sticks out? Well, naturally the first one where we beat A&M, 13 and a half to 12 and a half to broke their strain of 77, I think, straight dual needs. And actually that one stands out as... Literally one of the next most memorable things. We were in 1938. We were at this national, I mean the conference tournament. And the last match that was being wrestled was for third place and it was between Charlie Robertson and Port Robertson's brother and a boy from Nebraska.
And if Charlie could win it, it would have meant that there would have been three teams tied for the championship all with 16 points. But Charlie won it by fall and OU1 at 17 and the two other teams tied for second at 16 points a piece. So that one was a big thrill to me and of course naturally I've been grateful to Charlie for that third place and the fall at the same time. What about when you beat A&M at 13 and a half to 12? What happened and where was that? Well, it was 19 and 32 and the old field house over there, for the game it is. Which had a capacity of about 4,000 at the most. And they estimated that there were 5,500 people there at that night, even to the extent that they were up on the rafters of the building.
And the boys had climbed up there and there were two or three hundred boys picked up there on the rafters. And the rest of the building was completely so crammed right up to the mat that well it was by four of the largest crowd they had ever had at a match. The preliminary tour had been a lot of publicity and they knew that the match was going to be close and that we were just really favored a little bit to win. Of course these started right out by having which we thought was a very close match.
I had a Raymond English, a hundred and eighteen pounder that went out in the wrestling boy of the name of Lake and they wrestled on even terms. There he is, English then got had enough advantage to read one or a decision and he made one of those fatal mistakes, put his head in the wrong place and he got pinned. So that was quite a disappointment to us and we knew it had to be made with the win alone. Quite was to wrestle Bobby Pierce, Bobby Pierce and just one of the boys, the fact he was later World Olympic champion and they wrestled to a draw. Then I went on up and I remember the next match, 35, I guess 35 I've forgotten now.
Gunter was at 45 and then Hardy Lewis was fresh from Kelly which they had shrouded from as their star freshman that came on and he had never had lost a match. Of course Hardy Lewis beat him and then we came to the heavyweight with Ellis Bashar and McGurk with the store, 13 and a half to ten. McGurk had to pin Bashar in order for them to win if he won by a decision of course it would be so I guess it was not because anyway.
Bashar instead of really trying to wrestling got out there on the bottom and just stayed there and quite a bit of calm in about that. In fact I guess the rules later were changed whereby they would penalize the fella if he did that. It was perfectly legal at the time so Bashar stayed on the bottom until the last minute of the match when McGurk really got rough with him and made Ellis mad and he jumped up. McGurk down and was on top of McGurk when the match ended but yet McGurk won the match by a decision which left the store 12 and a half to 13 and a half. So it had a big oak on the flavor even though it was a national beat.
Franklin and Marshall. Besides wrestling, you also acutated the coach to the Super Bowl too. I also had the intramural sports program I taught physical ed classes so really my other schedule took up enough of my time that the director of athletics realized I had no business helping with the rest of the football so after the first two years I didn't help with football anymore. Franklin, did you start with the intramurals?
I came here with the idea of the build the intramural program when I first year that I came here so I had the intramurals all the time, all the 41 years that I was here. Oh, I went there a full time in the intramural program. Well, they really, they did, they had an intramural agent but they called it the intramural fraternity intramural program and at the end of the season as they had run, they had touch football and they had a few basketball things but at the end of the season they would have fraternity champion. And then they would challenge the independence for a game at the end of the year so really the independence didn't have any schedule they just played one game at the end of the season and usually the fraternities won.
But when I came here I realized that there were more independence and there were fraternity people on our campus and so I organized some independent teams and they came out of the whole you sandwich shop organized a team and that's supposed to be the boys that were working that were working for it. So some of them began to work one day a month to get off the team but anyway they had a team that we organized four or five teams that way and so there's a need for more than that. So we divided the town, the University campus personnel into districts, into eight districts and we organized a team in each district.
It was the time of the WPA era so we had some boys as WPA workers that we assigned them the job of organizing a team in each of these eight districts. So those were all independent teams and then the five or six other teams that we had in this first show that we had 10 or 12 independent teams and I think there were 16 fraternity teams in our program for a few years. But the independence began to grow more and more and we introduced in addition to that co-ed activities, one fraternity and a sorority.
And then we, the independence of course, we had independence the same way and the war came along and what we know now is Wilson Center. And those houses were built for barracks for the Army and they left, they became dormitory so then we organized, had all of these dormitory teams organized. And each one of them would affect our co-ed activities became frat popular because it was new to them and they liked the idea of the boys. So we started with volleyball and we broke out into touch football, I mean into softball and we used the slow pitch softball rules and they had a lot of fun.
It grew quite a rapid lift so that instead of having a 20 or 25 team we finally got up to over a hundred deans in intermarriage. And then we started to stay with the intermarriage program during all time that I was here and retired after 41 years. They carried on just about the same, all of the sports that they have now were in there when I left. They haven't added introduced sports but they've added numbers to it, yes.
Well, I was proud of the result came in the wrestling boys as far as being proud of them as concerned. They are the ones that have given me the most pleasure and the fact that it is, as you probably know, was elected to the National Hall of Wrestling Hall of Fame and what I did is what these boys did that would be in the Hall of Fame. It's me I'm proud of them, what they have done. The main thing I have always been interested in my father, again, when my father was the first county transfer of Roger Mills County.
I'd been in my blood and I really, a group of Senators of Norman came to me and asked me if I'd run for the City Commission. They said, if you will, we'll be back. So, I did and I had the ticket as far as votes was concerned and I tripped that lot to my experience with my little boys here and I taught swimming here for them. And I had boys that started when they were six years old and so on and seven and I learned to swim.
The moment told me that she was down on Main Street one day and a little seven-year old boy came up to her and said, I want you to vote for Mr. Kean. The youngsters that got out rooting for me. Oh well, he's been there. Yes, he was interested in sports. I'll tell you this, with a little background one year I took away from the national meet with his state and went to the Red National Wrestling Tournament up there. So, we got home and Jerry began asking, why about the circumstances this, what he knew more about, what had gone on and she did because he had been in the paper.
Yes, he's been interested in sports as a youngster. And he was on the wrestling team. He was a little heavyweight, so he never did. He was a national championship. He was sentenced to divinity. And when he got his job as Secretary of Manager, I was just now. And the men of the coach were just, I guess he had resigned, quit when they were in the men of the coach and they knew that he knew a little better about it.
He had the management of the tennis team. He started like I did in red. He was interested in it. He learned as a member of the club. Well, yes. And he was saved. You can't pull a load without a horse. So, he had good tennis players. And they learned most of their good tennis before they came to University. And they helped each other. He knew training rules, such as that and management. So, I think it was very successful. Yes, I coached people. I met him for the job. And I come for carelessly, though.
He came down and asked me and I didn't have any job for anything else. I didn't even couldn't offer him anything. In fact, I was largely interested in him because that he had one second place in the state of the tournament. And Ralph Brown had beat him. He was coming to University on football scholarship. So, I thought I'd have Ralph Brown as a wrestler too. So, I really didn't have too much to offer. But I found the job where I got bored over at the cafeteria. So, I called him. And as I called him, he said, well, he's out here. I don't think he's going yet.
And he came up in the house and talked to me. And I told him I had this job. And he was already outside the house. Go to any of them to see if I could go over there and stay at all for a different job. So, that's how close I could come to Bluesport. It was important. May was one of the finest wrestlers that I've ever had. He had the finest balance. And I started to toward grasping. You hate to say, the count one individual say he was the best. But there is something to think as the best, although I had some other boys that were national champions. They were excellent wrestlers in the world. Or, because by far, the best wrestler I ever had to knock on a knife and hit the gym.
For the years, what has been the biggest change? Oh, it's definitely for the better. The biggest change has been the matter of a point system, or by a wrestler with the idea of doing away with just riding. And the near fall of the predicaments and take bouts and escapes, counting points, determining the initiation altogether with not riding. Well, you haven't had to go back.
I think that the bringing of fifth Jones here did a tremendous thing for starting starting with a swing of football here at the university. Although many wanted to start it, way back there, I really, with football, and he had a opening back in the first time that you really used for a pass to when you managed. They had a good football team, but fifth Jones came back and they began to spend money on it. The others had been a tremendous change in football. And it was probably a little stadium for 16,000 people.
The project then increased to 30,000, 32,000, and now the people hold over 70,000 people with a very modern, university department, television, area. That then, of course, increased with Lloyd Noble. Building was put in, it was a big boost to basketball. Although I would like the same thing with the human German starting basketball.
For my viewpoint, he put the university on the map with basketball and in Bruce Drake carried on for a few years after that. So they've just had some other boys that have carried on. Now, with the big arena, I see an opportunity anyway, I'm not sure that we've got a great basketball team, but we have facilities out there for the big crowds that is a big change. Another thing that they're doing now, they are enlarging the norm for the athletic dorm tourist space. And when you can house all your athletes, it will be a boost to all sports rather than just to, as it is now, most of the football players are all that they can house.
So they will be able to house other sports as well as the football players. I think that is a big plus for the university. Well, he was a gentleman, he really was enthusiastic about his activity. He was a very dependable, loyal, friendly, and he knew his football. And so, all together, he had a tradition in himself.
Of course, John Jacobs in track did a lot to build that track here. So, I don't know why you'd say he didn't get what he deserved, but he deserved a lot of credit for the building up of track here at the university. During the long years.
And, as I said about a goal, the German was very instrumental in the very fine basketball coach and in chap Haskell with baseball dominated the baseball. Here for several years, as far as the conference was concerned, he didn't quite reach the height of the national championship, although he was right up among the leaders that he, I don't remember him winning. He was very instrumental in building a baseball here at the stadium of the baseball stadium field, named Haskell Field 2. Probably the one that took, in my way of thinking, it's an order of lustre, as football coach here, and Dale R. Buckle, during the depression years, had great football teams.
In fact, if it is there, when law's record is one of the best. And really, I don't think that he's smarter than Dale R. Buckle in there. He's got really much of an honor as they deserved. I think because I think Snorder Luster was a great coach. And the biggest handicap to the Addy at very poor eyesight, and a lot of people criticized him because he couldn't see what he was doing. I've enjoyed every minute of it though. Yes, I have enjoyed all of my work here. I've enjoyed my work as a community.
I enjoyed the fact that I was on the City Commission and as mayor of Norman. I enjoyed the fact that I belonged to a Nigerian church, worked with a church for 30 years, under schools, and on the church board. I love my church, and I think it's done a lot for me. And the community as a whole. So, I'd say very definitely. The Lord has been also good to me, and I enjoy life. I was thinking that when I first came here, that one of the people that gave me a tremendous amount of help was Dr. Alvin Jackson, who was captain of the wrestling team a couple of years before I came here.
He stayed with me as a pre-med student, came out for wrestling and helped me to get acquainted with the boys, and I owe him a great debt of gratitude for the fine work that he did while he was here. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
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Interviewee: Keen, Paul
Interviewer: Pryor, Dick
Producing Organization: KGOU
AAPB Contributor Holdings
KGOU
Identifier: cpb-aacip-b8e46434ad0 (Filename)
Format: Audio cassette
Generation: Dub
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Citations
Chicago: “KGOU Sports; Paul Keen Interview,” KGOU, American Archive of Public Broadcasting (GBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC, accessed October 5, 2024, http://americanarchive.org/catalog/cpb-aacip-12c798d62d6.
MLA: “KGOU Sports; Paul Keen Interview.” KGOU, American Archive of Public Broadcasting (GBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC. Web. October 5, 2024. <http://americanarchive.org/catalog/cpb-aacip-12c798d62d6>.
APA: KGOU Sports; Paul Keen Interview. Boston, MA: KGOU, American Archive of Public Broadcasting (GBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC. Retrieved from http://americanarchive.org/catalog/cpb-aacip-12c798d62d6