Black Champions; Interview with Jerry Izenberg

fb for seven years well it's probably the only term it can use in sports and sports that makes sense because sports is competitive me for not competing as another human being you're competing against the clock it will be against such corrupt judges shortage or carter or you could be competing assembly and so obviously be a champion would make you the best what it takes to be a champion in the set to give the people give the shalit is informally said they wanted because for example where you tried to reach every car trip to chile so huge again doing professional football and it's not that it's

so odd they are in different mediums make different champions and a championship but maybe a champion as somebody who first of all all the talk about the guys who play it with her head you know it's great and most of us wannabe overachiever three quarters of encapsulates really get anywhere but the violin upright laser we said he's not changing maybe change in a specific moment so the first and we have got to be given an inordinate amount of power and then you have to be given or someone has to show you wanted you wanna we want what it what is it about it that now if you take that talent in his you know it's only so enormously talented athletes in this country you'll never reach it that's possible is lacking in here or maybe it's really are no words for more info media surely have to get the big computers and a green environmental questions that as the computers so there's about three morning includes retooling could give up so yes that i know what the question was but the answer is

certainly was the computer told anybody with more than a hundred twenty five iq there might be somebody that i don't know what by certain that that's where this comes in sometimes if you know too much we normal fighters particularly who think too much and just think too much and day so to be a champion it's a it's a blend of talent to blend of instance it's a blend of tremendous desire then of course it's got the one ingredient which goes into work now the chevy with surviving and that's a lot kennedy the right and employs sixty five as it is a professional sports writer for thirty four years so talking first about people that i actually wrote about the new

eliot a gentle heat is the champion who was given a great great skills much more bizarre than people thought he had but it was a desire that it was just a free community as a typist shows that most people are not blessed with duran was a champion at the other spectrum duran had many more skills which were developed there are so we're clear about sony's intelligence what would be really think but there was the animal they're in that said if i can't be the champion ana lead everybody also really were left but on religion that was a tie i think when they get the list will know what's awaiting it yes you know and we started shaping his dad was the best britney shaving isn't necessarily the best we might even have a vital for wessel metaphor was so it's not a great story with another team militia different russell it would be a great player but it would be the way we remember him

harmed they took the skills he hadn't just got so much at that he was itchy bump one more he was a champion of war he was a champ in the corps or more is a gemini suffering and then that's an ingredient sometimes it makes a champion was always said that anybody can be a champion anything if he's lucky and the white knight a crooked event that the other guys and feel well with what ever to win a championship is difficult but not great to hold a championship or to to be the level of a champion in ft that that's a real champion of south carolina which i think you know when it's a freak already had to struggle to be where he got the struggle once you've got the year the standards hoosier the show and that edited by strong social media intelligence i'll <unk> was not coming and what was the genius of it is is that when babe playbook you know is the smallest

playbook and if you're pro football always you know there's seven plays the wet and the wooden and and they know what we're going to learn what we distribute up on an old and that was the adversity i think that made him a check i think if you look at this point and i think the following year for most of his life are sweet a great player or a good point but one year marriage was a joke and it isn't the record it isn't that you get to sixty one man of criticism even if you didn't get hurt but it was hit version he had to go through to do it nobody wanted him to do it and he was spitting and the ghost of a group that was the promise of the older folks daily hd that was it was quite an affair and annoyed the sixty one that will be much tougher for aaron and then that life but on top of that the pressure that we know is not a guy that

integration integration his whole lifestyle the broken home everything and did not equipped interview with this lady had to deal with that and deal with more media pressure than i have ever seen anyone in my life in politics anywhere zealots the awakening <unk> for all things that first gave her a hard time each nation would really been reduced to no leadership and that they needed to do that and still have a lot of the homeless and that's it this week only our show i also intercepted of chickens for three different

reasons for going to record all hear you in a pocket for the scene dimaggio was so quick and the more so quickly that instead of excitement or more power he worries the reason against the viet who he represented rates had so much grace and so much volume of that he said this guy's a champion will be ways to go i think you know a great player in a different way and but the hat would force their duty he would be he would be sure to start with you like he would not run the board to get to the bottom and the flare in a drama that we did everything we stop this difference might be i suppose at the risk of getting angering to my friends or psychologists and then some of my friends to read racial things and everything i think it is you can always add a way break it down into ethnic violence in that

maze was a kid and his home's playground and abroad who knows that the principle of this week it's two points to my heart puts it it but it's eighty points with a credit or to any of the spotlight dimaggio wesleyan was there was a white kid at princeton if you will you know who knows that it is in the style and wall street it's going to do it for him and with a real conservative doubts it's the the efficiency the repetition the lack of wasted effort to get it done go on to the next camping and so in a way they get into it almost it's dangerously assess poetry away ethnically they misrepresented types of chicken pills are we actually going to require has to be achieved in this situation some time to make a record and i think if you look at airports like

secretariat was the best horse i'm sure that i'm in a war might even better my been great but i get nervous about horses in athletes i haven't seen you know because i do remember some of these guys that i first covered when i first came in this business and then they retire and along with a retired the greater they become paranoid or claire becomes a lot of five or twenty years or retired so are good men or is doing the job as secretary it was the perfect champion because there was desire with so much talent i have never seen if you set the pick the great singer kevin should act you know so i thought i could do it but somewhere in there would be secretary of the belmont because if you remember at the start of it i turned to the guy next to me a quick glance at them and i said the guy next to me is less control of large lost control authority or through any of the accounts and that was it no way to approach and yet if you took the

worst record of a yet if you took the worst like kang a narrow wood can you narrow did in the derby he never had the window right now it's a narrow doesn't know i didn't know that he was a chicken but i know it was a champion because he didn't realize that if he realized how much he was carrying on his back he wouldn't want competitive he had the first black train to train and weevils and slavery days he added a jockey who twice flunked out of a national jockeys will ride with the goods than worth the point the owner was invited by the kentucky hard boiled standard was a black man with these standards or it was a venezuelan and he made toward richard wright and this horse actually had a flight to miami twice because the plane a plain trouble came out a quarantine was a ton of weight and went into this race and place further made up the most business of any wars twenty to thirty then john kerry narrow if he can't

guarantee we have in this situation people to step outside themselves a special award i want to talk about some of the moments in the championship players especially low you saw some really special is he i think probably we will look closely enough for ourselves into object that we've invited richard moments i suppose in the

championship as opposed to champion the championship is the moment the occasion the instant when something you know jeffrey are going into the fall the edge of the earth at a boy in a world series don larson who could never remotely be mistaken for a champion and what's it have to do with the nocturnal transit of different idea the day he pitched the perfect game in the world service dog that was a championship moment and he knew what analysts are on that set no a moment that few people sort of standard by shoppers braved the case then you because patients like to do and i think i can think your performance of the first super bowl every player on the things you look at the american reforming contender you see them which has got a baby they want how they want respect winners and requires annual for the packers and they were the packers would say gee well you know you know

if they were engaged in a way the board started it what naturally that's a tentative performances and i know she's never the point of the game in fact one out broke curfew that i would've gotten the confusion it broke curfew a new template a game without looking i doubt that we would be that carrie went to bed three four five and with it a lot of play on some it would hours then there's natalie was not been a plan of what we should not be playing football then who is who has worked hard to dark to give himself the body of honor and seventy three oil man light and he goes and he makes some churches that are just absolutely unbelievable and people don't remember but i was there the path of course that day which that would've been a more about an end that was a chinchilla farms because there was no logic to we know you can get it in their memory i suppose that's a chance at least of the things that we've seen certainly on giving other example who wish to say that on the night joe frazier for

halloween and no it was not the greatest championship performance afraid of life recently you don't necessarily have to get the gold that's the problem with the word that your way commercials gulf region to get the gold out you don't have to do that to be a real champion if you think back to that and i don't know i mean it was the hottest i met him in an indoor gym window where conditions at high noon frasier or most was knocked unconscious in the first round came back as a guy that got sort of shortchanging people of compensation he gave the biggest heart i ever saw and what is more bodies for a heavyweight and so as his eyes became one more swollen he had to straighten up to cigarettes were divorced five but when you think of what this guy did for fourteen were actually trying to stop it i've never seen a greater change a performance except one and that would've been alley because he won

that fight so you really had two chickens that's a championship i think is why people confuse recklessness with courage i don't believe that i had a close friend who died in a recruitment insert three years ago at a chance to win indianapolis which was his dream that he was loveliest lap and atf and racing cars are funny that they they wear out industry tires were on a straight line so as you're driving you can see that once you know it's not he's ahead and he says well if i don't make a pit stop on the winnings and then he sees that line coming up and he says he calculates the year difference between first place money and presumably slowing the amount of money involved what can happen is our bows and he wants to win a deadly poison x the pit stop and it's a pledge is a champion to me i don't know that the garment keeps going says will force the best advantage of those things that's insanity like cus d'amato who died

recently said iran unreal i think i said that i really agree with he said fear is the greatest catalyst in the world if you have fear and you learn how to make it work for you and you have the other ingredients you'll be a chipped if you have fear and you ignore you're not the champion and your store would put on a crazy people don't know the main thing that's learning to handle fear is usually cheap ingredient that we didn't you know i get into before but i think that's a very important thing which is very sometimes there's crying is fear failure i'll give you a great example is it different for a torch for him julia barnes family from socal oklahoma upper money bought the rivers that have the logo on it and never made in italy and he kept writing because that's

what he did for a living when i'm in oklahoma city for a christmas forty five usually gets a viable quote tornado no one has ever written and now in retrospect we also we want to be the first got a writer unable to bridge we didn't have the time for that he's sitting an issue is looking at these big red hot oven that this creature that weighs a few hundred thousand in a border war it's like in your camper i'm not only will he hit you will back up in the trinity got ok and station opens and how he comes in he's writing to an aide and he writes he becomes the first man ever to ride to america which is forty five years old i was twelve thousand afford any watch them all a good walker question and he looks up and in that second one he's looking up he's a champion nothing before or since we believe he ever won the nation going back to gnp moments make people can't

outrun they need done in criminal syndicates a lot in the farm great moments sonny liston was it was a great fight to get the question i'm always career were twenty ones to fight the alley and forget the fact that they're he only on the controversial a time the great fighter he was never a champion the corps when he sat on his due and income at the answer the well ok he wasn't a champion and if that fight really put it this way that everyone is covered from orlando's if that fight we're in any way suspects if it were it would still not qualify as it ended with a championship know a better more convincing way to lose we share what could happen but things could happen

you could do you could do anything he could have been making other shopping list all kinds of things could have happened he also could have mentioned very big could have mentioned very good people who put into a very bad habits that could have been a factor it is a non delays that could have been affected or we never never know why during weekday never are certainly was not a champion at night when the central government was not a champion of it and the great thing about ray leonard great thing about red when it was ray leonard has a championship night i don't know how long a champion away larry's championship night was in it for thompson's let's forget they're a completely because he was anything but a champion on in the first for anything but you know the fusion where armed irrelevant and he was telling me as you enjoy that

we don't know because of the dramatic and ridiculous and into the second meeting when he would have been a champion and i can say yes you would or that we don't really know what we know is that despite all the complaints about the scorecards in everything else you watch the fight i always manager to fight knowledge worker getting over to win back tomorrow i think back in the fight i think about what they did to him look like when it was over because if you walk in front of the debt here and wanted to be a gay bar and tonight she's director of what i'm going to fight you know when if you know any judges your freezer whatever raymond was a loser when you go official and as i was virtually closed and the argument was tommy hearns what a dumb fight which you could say it is true that he should've stayed away that he would you know given that everything with the outside and the inside of him that manages to be going through it was a chicken and i'm going to make sure that whatever it takes and the only

thing when you're watching your choices you know there was no hesitation he had to go to disney and you cannot kiss me an arab before dismay <unk> because they were stuck that was changing general bubble was what are you natalie courage but it's an idea that you know what you're a championship is answerable to the raiders never had a chance against the market going to the game there was a defensive lineman jonathon with keaton playing for generators and he had a

fractured ankle and then you come back for three years the needed rehabilitation in any engineering now becomes unstoppable woman with an ipod that it's a great painting which they figured maybe you'll be able to get into sequences on the field is matched up with a very very tough young kid named the ongoing him originated between guards and actually now they went at each other in the story by the second or third sequentially an unbroken has no ovaries years she's like a witch about the size of a grapefruit aren't dying every stop now we get them at seminary sequences now the packers are already won again and again ms bee has barely begun and usually over but it's not over for keating and it's not over for dealing in and eat she points keating courageous laid off the field a great night behind him and i know doing amazingly gorgeous in which i got a likely see him again and then you look at the next island issues out there and gillingham with a broken nose but overnight and end in an absolute

that keeps coming back in either vibe actual now is like a fourteen points were and it's never going to change and it can make it is because they want to make it it's over the super bowl is over in the first quarter early in the second quarter but their super bowl is not over until the final god goes off each girl i was going to win his journey and what a wedding day a coach eventually defeated politically a good thing and so they went on and played his hope was almost pointless violent charade for four quarters and afterwards you look down there we also won again would tell me that he is not a champion of the fight on doesn't it it seems that there are no

well i think first of all it's an in which major operators who didn't watch the instant replay and it has obviously it's done a service in a way states it is people like that they'll face which people that you really wish you know the game winning and it's mainly originate area or isis may be more important to me as perhaps understand better wick or with television as your maker is that once it decides it's a soap tony blankley gets really going to florida colleges agree with the technology for four four outstrips young the talent of the audience many people and therefore they can truly magnificent wood cameras in people's nailed twenty five or five would agree a beautiful whatever out

unfortunately a lot of people make good decisions awkward to make your shots year old and ended that footage which there were four to authorities are now they are making a champion or they are making you or whatever else on a bright classic example of that in his tone during tony awards are you really was icing on television which privilege which were and they convinced an awful lot of people which are equally good fight i think the impact of television is when it lets you see the impact as a plus one of christ and endeavours to explain to you the impact is enormous negative and it's so devoid of inspiration and depth for example mary lou retton marilyn dimauro think he's a great gymnast i mean what when mary lou retton which character is going to come as we

are the gains in their experience they had common each and the other little girls so therefore there right now that i make a storm like this story had to be like those girls they began calling and i was at the concern was immensely a lot of it pre selected to the tape center at the pressure quote deliberate and play back a lot of the events tonight before and they begin calling her an impish picture ok whoa medical meet with a pity he weighed what anyone pounds and whatever out mary lou retton is great actually a no party i mean you know she she's got a neck like rain actually that's not i so maybe a more to castigate them evaporate if it indicates to me that they could make anybody anything they want and they do make a lot of richard jenkins that's where they promote their own original in unison i mean you listen to them on the promos they draw upon this really knowing why

you're like you know i'd say yeah buffalo the buffalo bills lean hungry predatory questioning and we want to be engaging thirteen cries and if they have a lot of play twice a week they would want to engage in twenty six tries to know and that distortion can give us can be applied to make individual something and i'm sure that ten million children of television became champions because joe has created a media any medium that can make a competitive sport at a refrigerator pulling can create anything what's the problem what's colic

it's very visibly shown itself in a very complex thing that would let let me tell you a story which i think if you bear in mind when i tell you that all the problems in athletics in this country outside of artists stemmed from the college over high competitive high school level of witches kids are molded and nurturing everything else or whenever they got a bigger than bombs that bonds there and we choose the week usually on a minute trip to win win win since then one for the visitors is up with their weekends on average foreigners used examining her crutches with actually there's going to portland serious and i should deal with you and compare real authority for the oxford tracking and for guys then of went over there and i get a big picture ok and emerges on california tracking going and what winthrop was lining up and robin falcons and armed

i don't believe anything is going to savor it or college programs could be said i do not believe it will be safe and in an answer to your question is we are a nation of cheaters are our colleges are in large measure in la mission general isn't that a great many of greater are great many she even programs and shooting began stealing them when you say within this is the way to do it and then i surely a lot of ngos that he's going to beat you know it's like you're going to be here and the rewards are enormous the quest to be number one i want is that you have what is a p r u p i pull champion what does that mean in alumni donations in the general fund of just like a document if he had a bike and even into schools but how do you get for instance know when we're joined because know we want to vote for him in twenty eight people you react with an unrecognizable will re educated to get here i never say we paid a penalty but the kids recruited by katie and

successes which jd created an indifferent courage more kids to come or that isn't over till nine or reward them and that the number one and they don't understand what it had been in the work for it's a constant national intelligence i mean i don't think anything even the money gather goes anything is going to change its image of quality of a long distance runner was is no way to avoid paying the price is so enormous is going to change i think when we talk about camping trip moments can think of things america will see a lot of champions i will not it's because i'm a little bit fuzzy about how you got

there won't spoil it for me it doesn't spoil it for america in oregon where the name of the hardwood what grows in southern methodist university who found his football program she turned it into the ncaa says they got on probation he got fired for turning his program he was the president of the school aged me the moral arbiter of okay nobody show anything wrong in his foreign and none of the roosters stopped posting and paying ok we're thirsty of information like six hundred the arizona state boosters don't feel any compulsion its usually never had five sports and disciplinary action at the same time arm it didn't trouble getting in in the gymnastics point i'm making is that the american church that america wants accepted and by americans a chicken in america which of champions because the one thing we want is the

act jon kalish to perform the activists were you telling me is plenty of big goldfish for and why he'll win last year fewer rats professional journalists disagree with the recently securing an option to leave a legacy of high school football played live the level that it's generally played at your teenage years and i would pay disintegrate fighters i would have difficulty paying to see i would not pay this is typical actually is calm i would pay to see

six plays bass fourteen when they're right guys pitching and i happen to be playing on a thursday afternoon which will never happen again and the conditions that they're supposed to play and i can sit down there in the horror this geometrically this is a great lawyers for the world and you get to three strikes you getting it is immediately cheat you i would take issue that i would i would not pay to see the nba finals rotation the rucker tournament and i must admit that despite all the wrong things that i know that i would remember well i placed a shiver up a huge around cause i would play that she chose

adaptation of a winnebago winning but now that i saw it more than anything i would pay to see that that robert champion writing one or fighting with one oar and winning and winning the heavyweight title from a guy who once was afraid of fighters didn't believe america heard him and therefore for the greatest fight of his life they were given yet alicia torres religion in their way he used more than people thought that would be very smart to be smarter more people for george was his charisma was entering the devastation he weighs the aisle use the hunted the question around and sell them

granted that whatever plotting his way he was a fighter and plotted to me you know he had great reflexes and everything but he agrees that farmers would do what he was going through if you're serious about it and everybody's seriously officially which is that industrial revolution ok now you're going from the guys or women of iran from way back here for twenty one of this guy was an issue of which is emissions is how it's going to be done he wasn't feeling and what we're in action was reaching i think his charisma outside the ring was minimal it's quite effectively reasonably serious the reason is that the room service for silica make of overall through is your white and the time was right he would stop if it was anybody was grateful that he was right kind of like i would just think oh leon spinks the nonstop and what's

your show stopper room i think for what it was because of the internal revenue service i mean who among us not knowing any of the facts would say george got to be right whereas blu ray restoration wage and i'm sure that the reed the real sugar and promises his charisma militia was wearing the toys if you know you're saying the man could do everything it bought tickets to a movie that point he could have the environment look like the other guy was fighting outside the ring had a great flair for making people people want to get next to him like la alley with an alley was a good morning i'm kelly was a section among other things i don't think ray robinson was

people live in the ques he was the very best they want to be able to touch anyone that i suspect a thing with the gray and red and the quants were an efficient home already uniform and with his son he would guess re launched that these pose for a picture with his son he was at that stop what they would start to measure we can stop or which even as usual show was a mistake we knew about the greats on the field like it said before he was not a lot howard it was the dancer he was a magnificent you know a ballet came and then you cut them off if you you know the room the same way nobody ever felt put off by willie mays i mean you might have like a like angry at and i myself have been supportive but that bike you would happen or anyone in a well you feel that the conversation you puke a rally say well you know but kim ruyle is one incident to joe dimaggio it was an age our review it's like they said john would do it but the minister denied you and that

same grace could stop the room when i walk in and as a kindergartner as worried as many open a character caught in a way the boys how many guys really discovering summer