TV Laboratory; Lathe of Heaven, Part 1
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Close one was on you. I am better than most. Yeah just the machine. Up next. And the book.
Louis little one dark door on
the right. You can hang over there. Yes OK. Oh it's a pleasure to meet you. Gimme a seat. Do you smoke. Why did you next. No thank you or good stuff you know. Been here already. Damn alike to keeping systems on the fritz again I'm afraid. Well that's OK. Don't be nervous Mr.. Your punishment is no worse than a few sessions with me. That's better. Yes.
So mixing Fino Bob Tallman dexidrine quite a dangerous concoction when you say you still you have a dream problem. How did you know. No great feat. I'm an owner ologist or a dream specialist. They always send the dreams to me for all I want is to stop dreaming. Matt called you George. Yeah I guess. Call me Bill if you like. That's OK. However you feel comfortable Dr. Heber what are we supposed to do here. We're going to work together. We're going to build a relationship. You're going to let me inside. Poke around. Find out
what's causing those bad dreams of yours. I assume that's what the problem is. Bad dreams sort of want to tell me about. You think I was insane. I make no judgments George. I'm here to help you and that's all. Give it a try. Suppose I dream that there's no Dr. Haber. Not tomorrow when I wake up. Not only are you gone but you never existed. Pretty revealing when you say oh no I didn't mean that person physically OK. You can tell me to go to hell if you like. It's part of building a trust. I didn't mean that I'd like you to lie down now George. It's all right. So I George. Just relax my back.
I want you to take a deep breath and close your eyes. Patient George aged 30 to voluntary therapeutic treatment drug abuse recently Goodell's undernourished crest may be an intelligence case for you actually. I'd like you to tell me more about these dreams that change reality.
Think back to the first 17 I was 17. I was still living at home and half of my mother's sister was living with us. She was getting a divorce. She'd been there about six weeks. She was always in the way. She drove everybody crazy. She kept making a joking play for me. She was 30. Kind of sexy got me uptight and she was always trying to turn me on. Well we were watching television. Something happened.
OK. She forgot. I used to have these dreams about her that really fit the dream. I am I am the. And then when I woke up in the morning and asked him was he living with us. She never had lived with us. A telegram had come from Los Angeles. My mother was crying and Ethel had been killed in a car crash.
That was it. It was my first effective dream and nobody else noticed it and Ethel had suddenly vanished. My dreams changed everything that comes before them and nobody knows if it's me I killed. George I want you to understand something. There is a difference between what you dream and what you do but not for me. It's the same thing and I can't control what I do you can control is all of this guilt and anxiety and that's exactly what will be working on together in the next few sessions. God help me George if I thought you were about to lose your balance I would let you out if you're still with me believe me. What I would do is give you a prescription for my problem that I will keep your dreams located without repressing the dream state entirely. But it's only temporary. I expect to see you back you same time next week.
You mean the killer. You're correct. Yes I have a prescription from Dr. Tabor right as
is your right if you have any complaints. Here's an approved list of any other complaints. Just with my dreams not my jurisdiction. Next. You're right. You know you don't use that on me. Correct. Now in layman's terms this is what happens. First I'm going to put you to sleep. You go through several stages of sleep. The final one being the dream state for REM sleep quickly through those first stages. And lucky to actually watch your
brain at work in my brain. Then I suggested bring your case in effect a dream. Oh that's dangerous changes nothing. It's Crouch. Could you bring the story. Thank you. Do you trust me George Curry goat. I'd like you to lie back and get caught. Now is this comfortable. Looking at the nice brain
she did. Thanks we'll see. It was three on the susceptibilities you know you won't be seeing the action. I would like you to LAX. I'd like you to look and see. OK. OK. If you don't have a simple brain
now you're beginning to get sleepy. Britney very relaxed so relaxed you can't move very heavy you're going to go to sleep now. George. And while you're sleeping you'll have no trouble eating my voice and you will wake up when you call your name three times. You are going to sleep now. Can you hear my voice or. See it's funny personality types beginning to drain out. George
I knew something very unusual here in the area. When I say the word and you're going to dream I suggest the victory was in good shape George. Ineffective. Dream about what. Thanks
John. Feel OK well you did drink my friend.
That much I can tell you. What was it about. Course it was about a horse that won one brother. Don't you notice anything unusual about the picture. Some people find it a bit overwhelming. You know what Freud said about horses staircases and cigars. Was it here an hour ago an hour ago. Yes was not a picture of Mt. Hood when I came out hood. Yeah I remember it don't you. George that is Tammany Hall the Triple Crown winner. No
I'm not insane. No heat. I know I'm insane I know I'm not insane. It's enough to drive me insane.
Back up your dreams are not harmful. For instance daydreams can be wonderful. I have them all the time. I dream heroics. I save the whole damn planet. He saves the world. You know I daydream sometimes that I have a cabin by the ocean. That's nice. What does that tell you about yourself. That I'm a masochist. Nobody can afford a cabin by the ocean anymore you know what I'd like to see George. I'd like to see you learn to use your dreams. Doesn't that strike you as a nice idea. I don't know. Well we'll work on it. Feeling very sleepy.
Sleep in a moment sleep dream dream dream dream. When
we are and listen to you all right. Yes yes of course weather yes. George
George George what did you dream. It was in effect a dream to me. Can you recall it. I was having a picnic on Mt. Hood in the rain and then some came I was with my schedule. Can you make you stop writing or
angry. Ready to
go. You told me to day. Oh yes let me see.
Was this an accident when you overdose. Yes my legal advice is agreed to the psychiatric treatment and you won't be prosecuted or persecuted for that matter. But the therapy scares me. Come on steroid. I don't mean to cause Dr. Raber any trouble I'm sure he means well. I just like another psychiatrist. Not without real cause. I mean we're not going to take a patient's word against a doctor's note in a case like this. You mean a mental case. Exactly. Well thank you very much Mr. Marsh. I'm sorry for one moment I didn't say you didn't have a case. It's just that when you haven't told me
anything yet. If I told you what was really going on you think I was crazy. I'm a civil liberties lawyer Mr. Orr. If you have something to say you better say it. He's not an evil man but he means well. It's just that I'm in a position to be used by him like an instrument. I can't do that. Even if his aims are good nobody can play God. But he doesn't realize that. That's why I tried taking drugs to suppress my dreams. I just want to get cured of drugs of dreaming. You know the hell you're talking now. This crowd I'd like you to do some research for me. I use the computer to go to the Library of Congress in the lobby to see if the
others will mind. Everyone's got a lot of good. I'd like you to get me as much information as possible on the effect of dream symbology in pre-Columbian culture. Maybe you will take as much time as you need. Be very scared yes. Them. Listen carefully George you and I are about to embark upon a magnificent collaboration. We're going to make history today. Using your gift I'm going to do what no politician no scientist no
philosopher has ever done. I'm going to make the whole world right. We need an institute a William Haber Institute of the neurology. Thomas Crouch
It's amazing what I can do. I can't make it. Why not because I have a job. Now I can't keep coming here they'll fire me. Your therapy is more important than your job. In any case see it just to clear you don't give me that institute stuff. Now I know what's going on here. I'm a little active resistance. It's a good sign George let it out. Look you don't know what you're doing now you change what you want really resisting me. You're resisting your own self-examination. It happens in every therapeutic situation. I'm not going to do this anymore. George I had hoped that your motivation for being here would be better by now. What about getting well. Yeah well what about it you tell me.
I'm going to kill you George you have my word on that. You must believe me. I would like to believe you Dr. Haber I really would. Good then we have something in common. I think he's waiting to find out more about what he'll do next. I have a cabin. You do.
Changing reality. You
really need a break right say you're usually 15 minutes late. So how are you feeling today. So so how can anyone feel so sell on a magnificent day like this. Well you know what the Greeks say moderation in all things. So what would you like about that. Oh I don't care. Do you have somewhere to go. Oh no I'm just anxious to get started. Another breakthrough to one session. Shall we try for three. All right. Seems that my fame has brought me to the attention of the AGW sending an observer to make sure my work here is on the up and up. Isn't that ridiculous. Pleasure to meet you. You have a seat right here.
Perhaps you better ask the patients permission to OK this is Mr. Larcher is a patient diagnosed as neurotic or psychotic. The patient's diagnosis is not a public record Mr. Larcher I'm surprised at you. Besides it's my old mentor that interest you right. Well anyway you know what they say. Neurotics build castles in the sky psychotics and psychiatry is very very good. Well have you any questions before we start. Can you explain the role of your device. Yes of course my augment to Emily ensures that my patients will
dream by instigating and reinforcing his own dream state activity. What do you say George. Shall we run the dream. OK. This would constitute a right to does not have any effects whatsoever. The standard hypnotic procedure disconcerting to the uninitiated please turn your recorder off notice the accelerator. He's ready to accept a suggested. Restricted
population. That's what George fictive dream about the population space overpopulation problem. Tom
Tom the neck up. One was told what six people
watch George. George will you had a bad one. People who dreamt about play like the children all of us who survived genetic. It was just like oh my god I just killed 6 billion people. I'm afraid this is the first time it has handled anxiety in a dream.
It's not always pleasant. Don't you remember the play course we do. I lost my parents my two sisters. I watched them die. None of us could ever forget it. But it's over now George. The plague ended five years ago and we are the survivors. Life must go on. You remember the plague don't you. Don't you remember that you never heard of the plague until just now. There wasn't any plague until an hour ago. A mad rush is hardly qualified to comment on your session. She's only an observer. I'm afraid he's a bit agitated has a difficult time. That's why I should send you a full report. The OP meant his operation a card that you take care of it. Sorry
this is stressing this is a real crisis. Well we really did it this time didn't come away from the window to watch. You saw what she saw. Six billion people wiped off the face. What do you want me to say. I want you to be straight with me. Why don't you go George. Let me take responsibility for night. Oh I see. You're trying to transfer it over to me. You want me to take responsibility for your problem. Well I can't do that George.
Sorry. I'm sorry you had a bad dream George. But it was your dream it came from you from inside of you. I reckon not. Surely you can see that. You're a psychologist. I'm going to pieces here. You asked me to dream again what kind of world do we want to get totally insane from monsters demons which is Dragon. Saying that we carry around inside us over here is what's going to happen when that gets loose on the world. Are you quite finished your negative approach to your positive approach to danger. Solve the population problem. See what happens. Don't you see that these things are problems. They don't have the answers that you can find in your arithmetic book.
Defeatism. We were put here to make the world a better place. Your attempts to use my dreams to make the world a better place can destroy it's not so hard to destroy the world trade. We did it four years ago. I don't know what you're talking about. I don't think that you can out think God you want out George. You gotta go home get some rest the session is over you go home George. Thing.
It'll it'll read this
way. Long we will discuss it right here.
I just wanted time to sort things out. Yes I know about your dreams. I've known for quite some time. THANK YOU THANK YOU HAVE A GREAT get together we can learn to use it. You can't use my dreams to change things haven't you learned that yet. That's the purpose of man to act to change things to build a better world. What. I don't know. Don't have a purpose. I don't know. Life has a purpose.
I can't say that it matters. It is George. I know that I can learn. But you must give me time. We haven't got the right. We have it. Why do you resist. Why do you feel your own. Because it doesn't work. You change one thing and everything changes. The play didn't solve anything. We're closer to war now than we ever have been. I can't let you use George. You need new blood you know that without me you are out of control. The Lathe of Heaven will continue after an intermission of 60 seconds.
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- Series
- TV Laboratory
- Episode
- Lathe of Heaven, Part 1
- Producing Organization
- Thirteen WNET
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- Thirteen WNET (New York, New York)
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- Program Description
- This is part 1 of 2 of the program. Part 2 is missing.
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- "TV Laboratory is a series that showcases the work of artists-in-residence, primarily video art."
- Broadcast Date
- 1980-01-09
- Created Date
- 1979-12-04
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- Topics
- Fine Arts
- Media type
- Moving Image
- Duration
- 00:57:25
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Thirteen - New York Public Media (WNET)
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- Chicago: “TV Laboratory; Lathe of Heaven, Part 1,” 1980-01-09, Thirteen WNET, American Archive of Public Broadcasting (GBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC, accessed January 9, 2026, http://americanarchive.org/catalog/cpb-aacip-75-74cnpg4c.
- MLA: “TV Laboratory; Lathe of Heaven, Part 1.” 1980-01-09. Thirteen WNET, American Archive of Public Broadcasting (GBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC. Web. January 9, 2026. <http://americanarchive.org/catalog/cpb-aacip-75-74cnpg4c>.
- APA: TV Laboratory; Lathe of Heaven, Part 1. Boston, MA: Thirteen WNET, American Archive of Public Broadcasting (GBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC. Retrieved from http://americanarchive.org/catalog/cpb-aacip-75-74cnpg4c