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thepick youtouched upon my next observation and a questionfrom the testimony that we have had a little intimidated mr mitchell spent a great deal oftime following his resignation they're working on thatnow all of the meetings but the regularmeetings as i recall will also called who is the top people that workon the campaign and there's also the appearance thatwhile he wasn't campaign director anne and itperhaps trying to his nameit was not very muchbetween the responsibility
that one feels secure conscientious man if you wereresponsible executive officer of an organization i'mresponsible for the operationto be so available to the organization tobe of whatever help that you can on your timeavailable when you take on a job as a campaign manager and i'm sure your campaign managers have thesame responsibility you take on a twenty four hour seven daily joband a new work on that basis and you that's one of the problems ofa political life is is that he was pretty muchany other responsibilities and any other demands on yourtime especially during the period of the campaign and that wasthe problem at that vigil space total demandof the responsibility of managing a campaign versus the really
sober man but still continuing opportunity to protest andenvy about what a really good following this is we have aresponsibilityin his conversations with youwere there anydiscussion to your knowledge of the lawas rigginabsolutely notjohn dean weredirectly under you know straightaway yessubstantively work under other people depending on the nature of that particular testing thistv report you regulate those
willing to report to you on pretty important tokeep you and thought no nonsense and it mattersbecause they do a report to the person responsible forit'sa statement that the president at some time during the meeting and i'mparaphrasing now i'm impressed with yourknowledge about this what we're doing that i think you are everything counted on andyou were calling i think they dobut i think it was in that meeting and i do recall at the suggestion that theissue and i remember as
a child that if he had a prize thepresident of all the details about what the hugearmy knew at that particular time or a candy talksmitchell's office holiday plansthat's all i really do but i think that as the presidenthadn't himself on a number of occasions and i sawby others was not talking in terms of tryingto rethink that on each of these possible problemareas of the stadium laid out for which have to be dealt with but rather obliquely gatheredon that the non involvement with a white house with <unk> head
again we have far and jewish or a cabinet that therehad been there was still continuinginvestigation and that it still did not show any any white house involvement in thelobby and to to provide that assurancethat was that was one of the areas thatnot just the cabinet that the president one of the people understandat that point i don't believe there wasno certainty as to what the problems werethe reelection committee there was a certain outsideand there were also do i don't believe that the president and the thatms vivian ruthafter
years anyway the point of the matter was was there any discussion of that meeting ijust referred to were any other him around this time about having johnmitchell stuff on a turn with news i'm ike to use this tothem take the rapper wannabe i don't think at that time there was onlythe second week in april adeveloping view on john bins and jonathan's artas they were getting additional information from variouspeople that there was areal possibility at least going in their minds that john mitchell had been aware of thewatergate break in and so forth and that if that were the caseand if he would decide to say so thatwould be a major step in and opening up the problemsof of what really happened in the watergate tapes
it was not discussed in terms of scapegoat is the more or someonetaking the rap that was discussed and it was not discussed in terms ofputting pressure on mr mitchell to do this it was discussed in the terms of that ifthis were the case and if that happened that would certainly be a major stepin the direction of trying to do so and that unfortunatelynow as it gets talked about kids this boy begins becauseas has happened in the history of americaand erica process something that one person says something somebodyelse told him that someone else thought becomes a statement of fact by the partytestifying at the time here and that that is unfortunate but i don't republican andyet the only thing that happened in thatthe time of the march twenty first meeting that would in any wayrelate to the point that you're raising was the incident that i
recall at activating that a recount is happening before themeeting and for some reason i have physical picture of thiswe were standing on the top of the steps of the video of the job the nightafter the meeting down the steps and frustrating andsurveysbecause nobody else is going tobe hard my full disclosure process but the problemis the question of what it does toit was a necessityan annual meetingunfortunately yes
and unravel all of itnot right that was i believe the essence of john adamsmeeting with mr vigil on aprilfourteen i was allowed to playnineteen sixty two nixon campaign we're going to pause briefly on televisionscoverage of the senate watergate hearings will continue after this break for station identificationon average coverage of these hearings is provided as a public service of the member stations ofpbs for public broadcasting service thethe
payquestion and that continues its coverage of hearings by the senate
select committee on presidential campaign activities you again correspondent jimlehrer picking up the testimony again center in a way is askingthe questionsmr holman of the other than cider and acourt in the united states will equal or on ethical campaignactivities i'm not sure what's it mean senator myname was was that included all i was not a defendantand eight send relating to the nineteen fifty two to nineteen sixtytwo campaign for governor in california and a judge inlondon on november the second nineteen sixty four report thatsite you and others say
okay i'm not really political campaign activitydidn't join you using such tactics againin the cases the book it was not so i have not seen that judgment as thepress references to that but that said that i was i guessit was the correct time as having had knowledge of the area ina matter that was was under underdiscussion a rubber comes under fireon september fifth of nineteen sixty threeyou gave a deposition and californiaif i may i'd like to read russians amass asusual reviewers exhibit at the post couplewitnessed a mix of us and no i don't think so i
think again i posted them on the fact that we're going into the spotlight on the sameplaces that i did with weinberger and martin which would have been my practiceagain this kind of a question as you go and the contents of thateven purple and so perhaps in general terms not onany specific basis i don't no question they're just joined theback and say i don't think so question how manyconversations with them i'm sure only onea nineteen sixty foura deposition was taken out mostly on a baxter i'd leaveyou as you train by organization to cairo publicrelations activities an investigationquestion that this conversation with nixon and
los angeles to replace approximately on august one nineteen sixty two when whatyour next meeting with mr nixon concerning the campaign and so i don'tthink i have another meeting with him until i went or were the copy with him and witnessedhorrible no question about one thing was and saw thesiege that classified all about in the same time i'm very concentratedand they always as i recall all these meetings andconversations question whether the meeting take place as the knowledgebeing questioned the one with you and that makesthose divisionsi haven't seen thisinquiry i have notthose lines effectively question now will say i think itstands out really like to say that i think this
gentlemeninvariablyi mean to the investigationand secondly was german know these killings we get on may seventeennineteen seventy three he says the days ofintensive questioning the witnesses we youknowmen and women supposedly with an impeachableas usual all of us
many of these witnesses i think the other witnessesright right and i think itis relevant to this investigation to determine what this is forexample in the movie for usreasons for his dismissaland i don't think they doallright
witnessesi think it'syou know partialbut which has rumors that was one of them that isthe position one when says it doesit has beensome of thesepositionsquestions
all rightwell something like thatfrom the system this is jonah the centeryou just as chairman and receive word thatrunning for the senate it's twenty billiondollars a financing or republican on leadership committee that like the biggest boostfrom these proceedings until the senate actsat campusesginaprince
bleaklisten to youone will begiven to getthis is the second ofthe second amendmentyou knowit's
bnineteen seventy threewe need to get people to put up a story on the moneythat was used in support of demonstrations against the president in nineteen seventy twowe should find or nineteen seventy two demonstration and afterthe democrats' as part of the peace movement the investigation should bebrought to include the peace movement which leads directly to mcgovern and teddy kennedy is a
counter offensive to be developed and this connection we need to itemize all thedisruptions such as the century plaza san francisco statue of liberty and soyou should definitely one way to go ahead on the fbi investigation againstthose without next minute bill in nineteen sixty eight we need to develop a plan onto what extent the democrats were responsible for the demonstrations that lead to violence ordestruction there's also the question of whether we should let out of fort wayne storynow we weren'tlisteningwe could let evans and novak what about and then beingasked about it to make the point that we knew and the president said it was not to be usedandy under circumstances in any event we have to play a very hardgame on this whole thing in your investigation
documents that that is what does this documentstates is a memorandum from you to johnny says that memorandum argued therei will accept responsibility for the b a memorandum followbecause of somebad english and other problems and i would point out that it is notinitial binding which would it would have been had it written the memorandum andseven i believe that this was a memorandum preparedinstructionsover my name having said that i'm disappointing responsibilityfor the english and then that goes inand not accepting overall responsibility for the memorandum there were acceptingresponsibility not the actual mr rivlinwell i like
your version of trueit means we need to get our people on a communist moneywho refuses or demonstrations against the president's only juju fallnineteen seventy demonstrators to mcdonagh's to the democrats for that reasoni think that there was that there was someinformation out about that was the third there was for moneyused to support the financing of demonstrationsthe point here was to developers for the un andthen the case of the acts are skipping under the one two three four ifit does say we need to develop a plan to what extent thisis that english again that on to what extent the democrats are responsible for thedemonstrations that lead to violence or destruction in other words this wasto determine the facts and to get out the story
with the objective of time or where theaccidents are trying those demonstrations to those who are responsible for itdemocratic partyi'm a nurse's thesenate passed on to what extent the democrats were responsible fordemonstrations that lead to violence or destruction they say we need toget people to put up a story on the former communist money was used in support ofdemonstrations against the presence of the tuition by all my conservative and change the mcgovern andbust of the democrats as part of thisprogram that's right the democratic party toeither promised money or formally tie the demonstrationsthat instigated by
our people dothose people try to get out the story oh what the factswere in regard to the instigation of financing of demonstrationand others in nineteen seventy threeand interestingly enough i've made my own neurosis to your go back to youropening statement before this committee and i express myself with the image that you are tryingto portray here glover with the words it's toothese matters been linked to the democratic candidate of the democraticparty and i didn't receive or i didn't thinkthat this particular memorandum laughter i had made my own impressions towhat we were trying to convey in your opening statementmy impression of your body and joints
vivianyearsthe seventiesthis individual in the us and as part of the titan with farnam communistmoney and the leaked identity demonstrationswhat is this is this what you really have to assess what youbelieve during the course of the campaign of nineteen seventy two was asked to be the prosecutorbut let me that i don't understand your references to soft on communism and anassault on our vip is is there something that i've saidthat that leads to that thankyoumr
mcgovern campaignand the democrats and the peace movement to thedemonstrations and to the point that iunderstood there was backing on our information on the jobthere was a more ominous money used in support of demonstrationsit was my vision you knowthat was a biggieyou meanbut as a mineral cousin of the united statesyou're doingeconomist mounting demonstrations
i'maudiecornishthat's what this country is about that's what a memorandum was directed at thecounsel of the president who had the facts as i understand it on this casethe storythis is not a request for investigation to request an investigation that type ofthing which for the region but in the hands of law oneither the fbi cianational security broke any law enforcement grant youthat there's a new request for an investigation of the factors is to put out the story that was my understanding thatthere were gaps that led to these pointsthat i don't know
i've stayed in one of my understanding was a visitor visiting was theone i understood at the facts i thinkin the caribbeanand i'm renee montagnebecause these things have beenabusedi think we thought these matters and then another mattersalso your party and your candidate not myjobquite franklythat's based on facts
but that'sitand i think what happens is the nineteen seventy threei don't think there's been a change in tactics in the election campaign isn't ittrue that when you support asa part of the visualperception short questions andchairman haldeman following the questioning ofmy previous termi want to ask you since you saidthe checks people were routinely maybe by the fbiwhy did you personally regret that the eye background checks oncertain persons i'm not sure without knowing what the
specific circumstances were against each instance senator well youindicated that checks were being made routinely about how many reasons andthey were routinely made by the fbi so whywas the only for you to request their checks on these reasons otherthan for the purposes that then were outside theschool by which your testimony and beauty i don't know that i did request to do jokes onset that's not well i we went into the secondshorter and then that butterfield testified that there were approximatelya person's on which you had ordered checks to his knowledge and there youmentioned three i don't know but i understand that youdid order checks on many individuals at fortyunderstand that senator dodd who were there i
mean i understood that message about you say that youhave ordered checks on different individual's but he knewat the checks that you had armed and he was only ableto mention three and that as i recall from what youhave from the obama years that report which i have not seenincluded request remote mr altman and for me now white why did you have toorder these checks on certain individuals that the fbi was doing thisroutinely that's a question of math but without knowing the specificcircumstance in a specific individual i couldn't tell you sir but i would submit that thereare it's not unusual unlikely thatif for instance a pending invitationor entertain at the white house on a pending invitation to
participate in a delegation or something of that summer werebeing considered it will be astep taken to make it before that was pursued it anyway that thatcould become a backseat to the individual if in fact that proved un notsatisfactory we found in a number of places that people who wereunder consideration did have problems thatshow up in their in their fbi files or as a result of the fbi checks thatresulted in a decision not to make the appointment or issued the invitation on aproper basis because it had to avoid embarrassment to the white house and to avoid embarrassment tothe individual who is in the business of ordering irschecks at the white house an individual it would have been in a situationwhere individuals have that
authority i'm not sure who depend on the city's specificsituation where you weren't expected departure no mention onsunday night at the san jose responsibility to truethese requests by personnel at the white house the general procedure would would havebeen for such requests to be the major the counsel's officebut there are exceptions you know whether our message acrossan injection i don't know you know where they're amystical appeal to request that any of these any ofthis information nobody was aggressive about india counsel's office soi now one after one final questionnow the other day i asked the question as a strong workforcewas medicated and following ordersand was best ratings than that that
right after the watergate break in that he might not haveenough information and he imposed this committee that he was takingin his boots because he did not have enough information to adequatelyinformed you at the white house upon your return from some tricki asked him a question which you know a lot of itand then the question that revolved around what advicein view of his experience he would have for the people the young people of this countrywith respect to public serviceand graven at a stalematenow until then it's a communityon your knowing this young man so well and hehadn't let me with his testimony and his sincerity and his soldierly dedication toduty i want to tell your knowledge of this
young man what might have inspired him two majorteams from his experience sowhen he gave that answerone of the saddest moments of history because it's an answer that i wouldcertainly give in exactly the opposite direction and i would have hoped that thisdistraught woman answered in exactly the opposite way from the way that he bit a usmy opinion when i ask you what is your advice to the young people of thiscountry because we are in the public service andi feel that we should put this matter in public can get from apublic service is a trial of its services a momand i'm sure that you can shed light on this and youargue the disconnection of the white house as the number one man next to the press whatadvice do you have my advice senator to any young man or young woman
who feels that he or she has the ability of interestto serve this country in any way in the government or in any otherway that he should pursue that where she shared that interestto the first of his or her ability i think it would be tragicand maybe the greatest of all of many tragedies that there seemed to beflowing out of this whole situation if it would resultin any individual who had decided at some pointalready been thinking at some point of coming into the government to servein elective office appointive office or as a staff member to a member ofcongress or in the white house or any of the government agencies if that decision werechanged as a result of what's going on here thatthat would be in my mind an overriding tragedy i would like to say
that one of the proudest things that i have in the back of my mindis the intention of my oldest son to enter government service when hecompletes his college work which is in the middle of now and his intention to go to law school following thatand i hope they got that he enters government service in some wayi would like to have that informationand i hope that our young man will come into the government'sscript and landesman that opportunity that those maneuver before thiscommittee hat that they will let all the la andarrow and avoiding watergate committee which you'll bereally unhappy with all my answer rightfb
senator wyden mr lisa that february seventy three men will set out an enchanting newline question and a senator i haven't written things that you're an apple launch us to of thatmemo indicates a possible cover up mrsbae hasbeenit was the middle of the bus out of recession and
said simon all the personnel among all of thatyou still believe people who work in the settlement also there will be nosudden recession maybe they don't want me hereit's been topassbut thepopehasbeenwhat about your
nineteen seventy two and nineteen seventy three ourmom in the sense of him in the white house unless i'm in the roomwho feel great heroesdiscuss that was never reduced number one radiowhile some was not anywhere nearaswellas you know you have toremember that in nineteen seventy threeyeahbabysitters
well yeahi don't believe that ithink at this memorandum i think with notes or a phone conversationthe night i don't know that it had any connection with well at allthe president is not concentrating is that it is amatter of nathan and as the memorandumwhich a lot of people may count all the london cantinaoh
nothe issue thatwas the reason about what leda prayer it wasa coupleyou were discussingpaulcollins about the lockout that's alot of wooden say that anything in this memorandum had any relationship toforestalling his namethe investigationof the
demonstrations against the nineteen seventy twowe may get out diplomatsdon't know all thatoh and thatis tolet their to do with the aftermath of theelection i don't believe that it has any direct relationship to the activity of his committee over because thiswas welland this isgoing to be madei think i think that it was seen as a
measure of their ownour moneyas i'm sure about what the problem is and you we need to get alot of places but as possible all the structures are part of thecampaign will lead this following a part of itbut i don't see that as a as a means ofdisrupting returning our main activity that committee and i see it is that asa counterattack to get the material it would bebelow all righti don't believe itoh
yeah there's noquestionwell we don'tknowoh reallyand let me askyoui don't knowwasn't manufacture something andten the reason that i don't believe it created this memorandum is that
the study did not believe what iwas referring to her and i would not in any sense reforms to himthat responsibilityit's notmy nameand that that is a point of that is is anevent on my bookmyguess would be he says there's a danger to sixty minutes for follow on thesixty thousand residents of theman in a pile
and as regards of waterhe also was involved in the analysis of demonstration andthe recording that have beenmade thatpoint andwhen youyou'rewelcomeyou're welcome the president knew about this particular story is
an investor and i wasn't andnow your lettersi deny it at this memorandum but i have acceptedresponsibility for its contents mr chairmanwomen as it was wrong whilewe only way you can really get it andhe was you know i'm bobi'mwith davidyeahthat's rightthank you all
do right now you say that he did notuse a recollection and so they didn't have any recollection of that specific idon't work at that memorandum in that they're specific sense i haveno question that i was a political moment a number at which he referred to don't thinkit was one specific piece of itas i recall mr scruggs testimony which is go on said thatamong the other thirteen items that he reported from thatmeeting was once a committee now has a sophisticated intelligenceoperation but given the three hundred thousand now they have a low costof all their legal help you when you're going tohappen to the people and i was the ironies of mr mitchellbail out of the uk ok this gameleading a lot harder
i mean and seven through the estimate of apology you'vebeen you knowand moscow but beyond that thepeople that you're talking to a big subject of thought thatyou could make him while mr mitchell aboutnow you recall that palpable no i don't mean any notspecifically the best restaurant had a practice of preparing the paper that were tosuggest would include his suggestions of items of my memories of meetings with instrumentsthank youmsba i might think thatmr turner just just on that that's a point where follow the
point that that meeting with mr mitchell in his owntestimony said he had known articles those talking neighbors were his suggestions ofthings that he thought i might want arrangement instrumental he has no knowledge that ididn't raise any of them with him and i don't believe that that was discussed at the meetingmr mitchell because that meeting was in conjunction with the meeting mrmitchell it was the same day which showed other mattersrelating to the fight against it and hearings and theclams was making for assigning regional campaign responsibleindividuals of that interview with the presidentit is
on those two issues that they do somethingseen those faces onpresident statesman radio in the car as i sayi can't think of a single question to ask with us on thiscommittee has agreed to discuss the executive session was important toexpedite this phase of the hearings show we can get the more hopefully nextweek my own personal view is that i think thesehearings are damaging his government seriously the nationand also its relations and willtherefore i don't intend as many more questions of those weaponsand
something unknown wayjust for the record says they're a few questionsrelating to the tapes committee as to whoknew about the existence of therecording system in the white house other than memembers of a tactical security division of the secretservice and i don't know who in their organization knew of that therewas the smallest number of peoplefeasible within the requirements they don't technically twoand the racial divisions the onlyother people that i'm aware of the new of the existence of the case at the time i was at the white
house where the president myselfout about a film is tradingi did not know mr butterfield secretary was aware of them andi understand he is testifyingi don't believeanyone else did and i don't recall and hasindicated that anyone else if he has and if you want to check those names with me i couldconfirm my knowledge as to their knowledgedirector of the federal bureau of investigation was you wear thiswas the director of thecentral intelligence agency and where did you have aroom that was secure with no recording devices wheremr helms discuss highly sensitive matters with the president of the united states
there are only two rooms lot three becauseagain also that this list that it will be on switched on our basesthe only two rooms which were covered byescaping were the oval office of the president at the white house and theother office the alternate office of the president in the executive office buildingand then as i said the cabinet room which was on a bus which the others were on thatyou weren't the cia director would discussdiscussion recordi don't know and just because ibelieve the laws that would prohibit there's a compromise and the centralintelligence agency that's not whatrecording these conversations
so the president would have for his own use an unknownreference on historical bases and accurate and precise record of everything that was set byhim and by other people with whom he was confirmed was the inventionof the president eventually released all the things that a certain it's myunderstanding that it was his intention was not ever to release the tapesthe compilation tapeis for arizona newsnot only to live the night youwere given the table so tenderlyi think so yesyes yesi am not sure
which ones these involving what the presidenthas to be myself but no they didn't want any president especiallyin europe the response to a query yousuggest that youought to aquarium of the americas andnow youare aware of the onion because these i believe i indicated that i was where iwas aware of what's being deceptive seth andrews quicklyswitched it'sboth theportland
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