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thepiecebe monday that anunidentified sourceyesterday sunday april fifth the situation one of the things thatthis group used to identify the sourcehim being an end is that one of theprosecutors on sunday april fifteenth about the eldermr ellington receive this committee within statei don't want to comment on thatand the
responsible people of the justice the first ballot that we ever get a breakin a doctor l words like thatthank youquestionsvery patientlyitwhich they dothey're doing
thank yousomething'schairman thank you very much and also do not have other questions that might mighthave previously markup thanks tomr klein danger is cooperation first testament don't think it's veryhelpful and is a one word about the question now isgoldman expanded about executive privilege i know with great adversitydisagreement between and the missionattorney generalyou can eat
beforewe havethese daysthere are reasonsfor it nowfinallyseparation bedecided by thesupreme court she justhas a lot of young
lawyers mm hmmyou're welcomeboy i know that i have the attorney general of the united statesand as an officer of the department of justice that had a case before judge burnsit would have been highly improper oronly two are a prosecutor in the presence of the attorneys on the otherside regardless of what the situation where they're not the samerestrictions will apply
a personalitybecause the mission was very limited and very specific that had nothing to do with a casei think there's generally speakingbecause of the nature of a very calmlyinvolvement of the administration and the department of justice and its you know itscontroversy is i mean youjust becausei can imaginecircumstances under which he would ever commit himselfanyway if we're with theadministrationstates
any questionsyou're welcomei thinkroll them as an agent of thepresident stated pursuing and objectivity that direction and i don't knowthat we find to be in that situationand said oh
wow i don't consider myself appeared anybody i thinkreagan was under the authority and jurisdiction of the office of theattorney general were you in a positionto direct them more given that i believe so when ihave done so many a responsibility to reportthings for sure but he also haveresponsibilities to discharge i have nothing butcompliments and first inning the department has afifty thousand employees seventeen divisions i have thatgreat quite frequently he attended our staff lesson every friday noon andyou also senator he was going to be the deputy attorney generalunder five and
that's the way i was in the fourth gradeit was never a questionor a recommendationrecommendations this giant versions of mine for the us togo the instructions to receive fromfish for us as he did he told me thaton the evening of april twenty fifth the night before hewithdrew as the acting director joe in the headlines as the first time iever heard about situations that you think you should have told listeners he received those
instructionsi think youmade one mistakesurewe were mississippifbi investigationsituation this iswell known as dean paul was degraded can stop investigation intothe culvert
analysis of it mr petersno seriouslyi know that it would have come to me and i thinki have an idea and as much asthat kind of an incident didn't occur i don't think that i know about it where itwas regarded as a serious interference with our work as attorneygeneral manager law mr ken khachigiancan use its cgi watching itagainin his testimonysaid the best pitching in the report which in the
demonstrationswell in activities were carried out under theguidance of asians of the opposition party were thatfor four a half yearsresponsible for the coronation of the efforts of exactlyregulating demonstrations in the senatemore information aboutmethis investigationi was everywherethat president during the campaign was together make an appearance in los angeles
the reason i became aware when i was out there speaking myselfspeech canceled that the president is going to be there and i think inthe headquarters of our scientists was used by someto organize a demonstration against the president's appearanceof all sects i think that's realisticappalachian state and i think that the presidentwas planning rightthank youi have no further
questionit'sbreaking feelingsit was a development workeri think we could've had a contest on which one of us you know the most irritated i don'tknow whether i quit testify whether he had any prior knowledge ofthat was not my habit to interrogate the united statessessioni'm robert siegelbriefly with the president
mr erlichman about knowour position on this desire to do everything possibleto convict mr ellsberg of the crimes that we elected our complaintthat i never had any money to interfere with me and thatanybody do thatand i don't recall any conversationyou called on the president to westernprogress report on health workers are getting in touch with mr martin get in touchwith the presidentthis being theinformation
many teachers it'sso let the unmistakable includingan innovative nineteen attitude about dot comit's funnyyou know your definitionsstate to protect individualthe foundationithink it is true that the individual is in port each once each one isimportant for more important science or an anonymous letter
and yet itseems to mefor example this exchange with thecommittee quitethis defeated you have an eye and i feel exactly willthe fact that president has information whichinvolves a freedom ofsomeone such as the taste mightrelate to a particular individual or my constitutional confrontationbetween the committee in an executive branch information violateindividual human being
generationalmy attitude wasbikingone of the men inpakistani politicsover twenty fourth nineteen seventy two meeting with richard holmes at whichcertain records of the ceo richard overview yes sir i did and what you do with those returns withat least and after all means that thatsilver request of the cia to supplyinformation to use and i have no objection to giving that state's attorney'soffice however i would like to deliver to you personally so that you could
pass the ammunition to the us attorney's office that some of the materialthat the it was revealedafter the mission the cia he played to come into my office the nextday he came in with his general counsel then as soon as hegot there i called and i came up and i explained the situation and inan age of the animal left to go to his office with mr houston seegeneral counsel of the cia and better and i have a verywarm friendly relationship state for a couple minutes and chatted and he liked that soi know that your records show through contacts in early nineteen seventy threewith this year he was working for theinauguration committee i intended opposed to my opponentduring the inauguration a party for everybody who's here from arizona
and i was talking about that period oftime to get assistance and help him to make thatyou report on oneof the watergate defendants and it'spossible the newcd i talked to mr petersonyesterday to see if he can recalland i now remember that at a lunch that i get there i think there are several mattersto discuss that question came up as to the procedures of sentencingwhat happenedthey were just talking about what happens when somebody is convicted ofa crime how sentences meted out
what is the probation report what happens when you go to jail when nobody eligible for atime when circumstances arisetechnical procedures procedures thatcame with itbecause in case you early morning hours of april fifteeni believe you indicated that no information was important to you thatdidn't implicate president of united states is not correct that is correct was there anyexplanation given as to whether mr dean was holding back things were relying on executive privilegeor anything about major mr silbert to the extent thator even the relevantinformationthe federal bureau of investigation
where politicalactivity including specificallymr levy mypleasurethe republicanwon sian as recruiter it is august when i came in for myfive o'clock me when i write to regroup with lead and i would have my thought aboutnot just about the extent of my mouth with respectmr mitchell association when youengage in any partisan political activity with exception ofone occasion after i was confirmed by the united states senate and i wentback when the trump and chess club maybe their
environments a republican club i have never attended apolitical meeting republican party meeting of any kind since i entered the department ofjustice january twenty ninth nineteen sixty nineall rightthe rangerslisten to it assistant attorney general henry petersen comes before the committee will have thattestimony in this from all the meantime public television's coverage of the senate watergate hearings will continueafter this pause for station identification i don't read coverage of these hearings isprovided as a public service of the member stations of pbs the public broadcastingservice
and fact continues its coverage of hearings by the senate select committee on presidential
campaign activities you again correspondent jim lehrerback and watch the servers now begin questioning assistant attorney general henry theatersit'sbeenyearsi state yournamei'm thinking
this isassistant attorney generalthere were seventy two andwhat position doimmediatelyijust spilled i first joined the departmentof justice in nineteen forty seven i going to television in the ithink it was june nineteen fifty oneyou first line of the breakdown of thedemocratic national committee headquarters of the watergate on june seventeenth
nineteen seventy two possiblylongerlevi's me thatdidn't even at that point at thedemocratic national headquarters in possession of what was considered to beagainit is and told him about itprimarily because i didn't know what the security arrangements large republicanwhateverand if indeed the
intention of trying to deport i thought say might be anopening for republican headquarters and i thought you were before wasn't thedestination under the sponsorship of the wild justicebegan there's an investigation on the wayhe had this is the working on the matterat that point with him and bobby department and the fbi were just coming into itnow what role as you play withthe investigationa gentle supervisor almost a badge questions i had justi was a degree of supervision they should beinvolved and since we knew at the close of saturdayjune seventeen that what we have thought that the explosive deviceselectronics listening delight and that an individual
named e howard hunt was possiblyimplicate of very low impact that is checked forinformation relating to him and found at the scenethat questionand i rarely statedthat that investigation or to be as isolated followpolitical element as it could possibly beand i suggested that mr titus appointed rebel systemare also want to conduct an investigation in hisoffice and report a list of ideas and give myself on adaily basis or important daily basis what was your relationship with thefederal investigation an investigation to get any kind of reporting from thefbi reporting
their reports the prosecutor's justice or running companywere more meat and i report the media they report immediatelybriefed reporters a visionwhere is the scene was getting a witness statement almost immediately what thereports were coming over to meet the first version of a lotof fact that there's an ethat was reasonable and cooperation istill do not have or wednesday and miles traveled here in athens and soit's a whole package a report that i was this sorecording you were that the prosecutorat that report on to theidea that you're sober
now youremailsmr doonan the decline even i cantake a three time on saturday june seventeen different all iknow the settingi was about to place when indeed if i had not heard histestimony or discussed with him i would've said i placed second qualityof many events inside our country's through i placed a third or more athird of all i needed to him and he was living in his speeches thati had running down its reserves is down there on the heads very guardedlywhen i was trying to working in was that documentationrelating to a white house consultant have been found at the scene was important yeahwhat did he tell you about a meeting
well that with this delayyeah as recentlyas i think all i rememberpredominantly because he's an unhealthy people treated the same as everybody else i conveyed tohim at that point the information about the electronic equipmenti guess i thought of the law to make that statement because i don't know how manyother way to treat them but they i don't recall in telling me thatwas there if you get itnowjohn deani guess with time on official liaison with the justicedepartment since he had been there are renewing the organ that the attorney general's officehe was in communication with us frequently with respect your interpretations of a
corrupt practices act so we have frequent dealingsrelationships work it whilethe formula that he was enjoy it anyway or billy ison in the white house for an investigation on that status to thati supposethe bia discussing the iowa johndean rosen the first instance of a request scientists over to the fbiat the white housethe main investigationpeople were to be interviewed appointments were not being kept her ever being delayed or what haveyou and they would call upon me to extradite him and i would call god i mean i have to say thatwhenever i called him he was like you know during the
ninetiesmake some statementsthis investigation for the white housejustifiedone involves has to be a majority therethey asked for a status report it the general status report amajor investigation we had some discussioni think congress discussion my god what happens duringthis and what type of the situation is this and thati mean i remember the words very distinctly i said john i don't know who
i'm talking about when to ever is responsible for this is the day an adand there's only one thing that the president of the united states can do without cardinaland the way that he should being used to construct the attorney generalto bedone immediately there's some discussion of that and finally yeahhe's about to say women were never so whatabout that decline you said john set that upbeing then got up to leave and we had some conversations aboutthe investigation into the conduct of a fishing expedition but wecertainly don't conduct their investigation of this is thatthere are now asking what it had been decided yet so somebody thought well what'sbeen decided he should be me the name of the gamesto be relevant is to climb without a little awkward but quite honestly i took that was
another indication or as an indication that perhaps the attorney general i thinkmost of it was red knot of those races at the white house and that they letout most of the region's president however that there was an all consumingi never heard anything i finally have been about the show isthat unfortunately we never heard anything from the president if ican jump in a minute my little conversations with the president on april fifteenth it only needsone peanut ever come toher againseventy nineand which he indicated that the planning another meeting whileyou're up there with finding work that you and he went over to find abackhoe i don't mind that we did not have
a rather i told him i had noi had no idea where they might mean and i told them i did notwin the white house with a wide open and the record sayingthat saying that if you are not no i do noti dosome concern about this ought notto be an excuse in the journal of the white house i have no problem withthat i certainly going to see prizes theseven crime of a specific crime is usually a roman general investigation of awhite house level of activity i remember being a fishing expeditionand his investigationthis and you recall having a
conversation with the acting director of rainover giving us to be and there's good report cites is thrilled to theconversation with mr gray i know conversation with the gray aboutinvestigative reports on to you know sometime every poll fiftyfour we discuss lesser myself about the times while theinvestigation was focusing on the white house staff and also on thecommittee for the reelection of rather absentee and hiking in an elaborate on that i don't anticipate yourquestion what is the next question is do you never ask you forpermission to have a really well done sir ohok they'rebeing used during themany angry he was by mozart mr klein has called themonce they and i recall is a member of a
one telephone and he said i just wanted on being indian ethic of evenhave the fbi report and i had to be very quickly and very about when someonetelling no and i was that wayand i think that he might feel the diversityand considerate of his relationship with the president the white house as well nowif the president calderon says thosereports you get to do is i guess are only wanna send out a memorandum andsay well the president does say send those reports over wiresthe so we can do that but we ought not to give those reports on requestand he said i think i agree with that as alistener or the basis of us to some of your decision to stay put his reportsi didn't think i had a
vision of john mccain and the donate fifteen iheard by his own admission that he was involved i was most surprised person martian and i guesswhat was simply prudent i didn't think then that when the startto work over there was involved in where they were so muchopportunity for cynicism that prudence dictated thatwe should make those reports available i thought was to gain if he was over iunderstood charged by the president to keep abreast of this situationbut i mean thinking you have injuries we knew where they'renick makris in advance of providing for dual role at the unthousand white house those are allover this week what the unusualrequest i had thebest witness on that would not be somebody from the fbi suspected that
request of the derivative in many instances they're requestspositively to the fbi with the director of the fbi theacting director of the fbi be under an obligation to check with the attorneygeneral before he exceeded the sequesterin all things i think maybe sometimessometimes yes and sometimes now if it were for example lovea background investigation of the real white house appointment and i want to save amonster that they had to carry them over there but if it werean investigation of somebody who was posing fire onsuspected wrongdoing i think it began prudence would dictatehere and actually sending over a large number oftroops who isn't bothering the investigation the fbi while questions
are being asked of the staff members of the president or what would yourlife again i think that's improvingare going to say well you didn't have that we suspect you'll wrongdoing anothergovernment official you don't do that but nonetheless i would thinkthat when your position it might be why are you nothappy or prevent american actor oh i think we may have had somedescription of this that perhaps you can add it's for the record exactly what isincluded in a preemptive law was a witness and asfar as thefbi and it might include just any witness might saynow underway during this period of timeactually an investigation will you wear any restrictions
on the investigation place by the president concerning national securityor cia involvement or the internal investigative unitonly life without getting into that knowi had some discussions with mr gray concerning thepotential of cia involved now one such discussion on lovesong on july fifth he had come tomind all discussed the matter and yet some are communications with thecia personnel and he indicated that there was somehe needed billy some cia involvedin it that you can accept atleast you can accept that or you better get that inwriting and you accept that rebound by us i just don't really youhad to really get real event
but that was the only get back later and said well that their turnwas mostly i mean i had no other communications with the presidentand he is that too that stated he eschews the whole month and thedevelopment restrict investigation so as not to reveal national securitymatters or cia involvement biginventor you achieve the vision and value and today thatconstruction the presidency you know sir that we will by theway that there were all of the meetings that whistleblowers hadwith mr gray concerning the question nowon june twenty onesi was not aware of all of the meetings until recentdisclosures i was aware that just a grainy was in touch with mr walter tryingto determine whether or not there was any cia involvement in connection with the mexican beer and
thatwas a lot betternow did you ever discuss witnessed their lives and thati guess i would qualify that i think that in the record but there is somecia assistance with respect e howard hunt and there may havebeen working on the question with respect for mexican transactions know yetsometimes that there's an imam can find these questions about that periodbut within that actually week or so after the break and i think that testimonybefore the committee is that spoke to have thisdegree and twenty twenty seconds it was the cia involvement and the nice thing withall men mradams and destroyed afterwards that on the same day on june
third of its general war is right in that areai married and now that you arediscussed constantly with the recruiters appearance before the grand jury and johndingell made at the time of the group appearance before a grand jury and have reallyno idea eichler it's over anita wellas your ear is very articulate young man and hedescribed in this episode of good witnesses all the hair but henrynobody believes a story about the money and you know i guess inthose words or what i donow we could and maybewe could imagine our relationshiptossed out nobody wants nowhere where what it was used for and present a grandjury didn't know they were boys and drawn to it i think and understand that
either were you what we're aware of the fact that this longtold the prosecutors met silbert prove that are to have himpick a different someone at greater visibility iwas aware of the time i wasn't aware of that group of fourgranger even use a subsequent aware that the indictmenti think in the us today but we came downto what was wild want it was a conflict and use long was a good which hasanother effect actually is a few minutes at the port you aboutmr gruber made out with was i think it's after his final appearance before the grand juryall actors appearance before the rangerthat he shows images because i think they're afraid parents isthat we have to address universal things where the white house come out white house and
john being was charged with for very poor want it done things they perform afamily where i'm responsible to keep imprisonedfor you know if i get in there and yet really really juicy out of i don't know theanswer and had read it and he posted on tuesday and they want to know if there wasreally a newsworthy i don't like to know about it at about that time andhappily so to try to keep them informed of the ultimate fashion wheni did and he would call and therefore you get out of it does it got throughnow are you can yourecall a time when those concepts reviewand setting the appearance of justice than it would render this arcane andit really tell the committee about that your worki can innovate i think isolated it was
donna summer before the indictment it can be fixed because of themedia before the return date of the subpoenas served on this thing and ireceived a call and forty five of my moments at the kitchen table it wastheforest service landidleness so what's responsible and i approvethat and that it was an embarrassment that it wastrue that you've interviewed at least twice by the fbi butrecentlyi'm hesitatingbasically his testimony
his interviews with the senate committee that well as i recall was a parent upthere was some question about whether the committee will lead his statements thathe did know what happened to the model medium is collectedwe had some of the same difficulties and that we felt would havethat was a storythat we were telling basically the third time to get the idea and it was rightwell what anyone i assume that question twice new neverspelled out except the stop question i was just playingheisa grand jury well that's what he was driving head i think twicewhat he wanted and he never answered others say stop harassing
i have enough of those things of the problems of being a lot of themarvel minnesota was a necessary fall it ishello work all that i think aboutthe center was declining poll recently that they enter and so areyou insteadthe industryin the morning about thisyouthful audience or someone dying in everything that we made i think within miles of aplot next morning and read mr klein used on the status of theinvestigation nobodyknew anything
we did it we didn't i didn'tdiscuss justice over the supply insectswhile concessions and we did make was that we would take his testimony on what it israther grand very conditions that is we're beingpresidentwe'll probably before that are you aware of the decliningvalue of his telephone conversation with his nose or i never heard of thati mean in the i didn't know from whom he had learned of the conversation until veryrecently now could youtell where he stands he wasinterrogated in my conference room by the prosecutors on the case with reporterpresent and no one else i'm not that before the grand jury those arewell scott why was given similar concessions for an investigation into her
role in the ongoing andwas this requested by anyone at the white house it was requested by johnbeing an order to avoid publicity thereis a reason that the reasons of his confession was given well they knowthat's all right for theirjob and justice department decision to restrict public officials becausea concern for her tremendousseriously if you don't conduct an investigation where it should be conductedand if you do kind of an investigation where it should not you do aterrible disservice to the public official involved in snow oh well saywell as a public official we want you know you've been cleared and we're sorry about a lot of listeningthat's very serious thing and i haven't stayed up at the
concession to avoid that type of publicity for resolving problemsby conducting they're necessary and investigations of public vigilsand his realization as possible until we can be precisely sure areand then you can open up and renderthat when you do this as you did in the case of the stand you do prevent theopportunity of grand jurors who might ask questions that might open up some areasobviously what use the method that not always were a grand jury and agrand jury doesn't have gotten a question everybody in every plainswere you aware of that stands himself or his attorney received atranscript of his statement that he gave for itor with their dnaabout is getting rid of us what doesfrancis appeared before the grand jury would not and i would say one reason for doing this on the
grand jury conditions it would not supposedly get it but i don't want to give innow the scope of the investigation itself who set the scope of theinvestigation and his guess was that he was upset by theprosecutors wow i'm not sure i understand what that meansbut what actually was considered within the scope of the grandjury's investigation will not get warnings considerwithin the scope of a grand jury investigation federal crimeviolations i wondered handled separately and they were ableto the extent that we can and so i think invariably we getadopted by different section of television without what i realized itwasn't all so to that extent we tried to separate now they could
remain inseparable there is some witnesses who were common the corrupt practices violationsthat were before the grand jury and where they were we tried tocombine both shepherdson at the mall or questioned by sobered at one timealthough it would dissipate and a decision not to get into the so calleddirty tricks activity of about reading thenorth korean regime the question wasraised with me by two people wanted also wormsin you know in effect were not expert on a corrupt practices act we don't see anyviolation do you and i said no not on the basis of what we have is aroundseptember at the iraq problem atcharles who was in charge of accounting transaction called it henry you know we're not going tobe using a violation eisenach says they're saying
are not a violation of my not only values and we've been unable to uncover thenation of these days as a birthday to accuratelysubscribe to political statementthat's there to show subscribe to being a violation of eighteen usc six twelve and that's whatthe investigations have been awful thelocals oran item of information on not a violation of my mouth it wascalled for question before the grand jury to recall tellingmr silver to limit his investigation is ready to thecivil war you know activities and i said sir i didn't eatwellwhat we were ever there was a relationship
between point i misspoke twice opposite that i don't remember thecall to say readingwe were relating to try to relate his relationships towhether or not they had any significance to the watergate a wholecountry we're here what i knew aboutit and son relationship a combat area that adults already morning and gettinginto the air their visionbut i thought the campaign activity and the lyricalpiece in this conversation is to think of but you on page one isthat we thought the fed after my conversation with jake andi called the leaders in the x line wasconfronting i told peterson
dealing withthe white houseand i saidi'm a liberaleighteen weeks of the electionand i wanted to combine investigation iswarranted theinvestigation of the white housethere's this raises questions about the names of the
city where that i've heard often wonder whether that's why can'tdisagree andnow do you recall having a conversation withme responding toan investigationbut that's a very confused situation you mention of amazing to think i would have theletter and i did not let it was an ad that he's also ultimately i was toconsult with respect of the ladder and i don't remember that being asked me what our policy waswith respect to congressional committees and i told our policy was wantto invite some of that was a pending prosecutions our relationship were goingup so that we could do that and former problem in general with investigative committee likemcclellan maybe one and it were you aware that the committee was in fact planningor subpoenaed a number witnesses that would be involved in the prosecution
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