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it'sbeen andi'd like to readfromthis committeeand which meets he stays there is no question whatever but somemen despite their innocence will be rolling boil even though i'm sure the summitintended nothing of this kind were commissioned this investigationwith the chairman of the american people should knowyesterday makes statements of factsconcerning john lynch which in effect as soon as he tookpart in a conspiracy to break in and her research partner
in obstructing justice iam wellfor a convention in germany and thiswas the german in the documents sent by the white houseto this committee and on the line but anything that the committeevotes areimportant and no not only in the case and that means it wasbut also in the case of the financial means to come before isnowsomething i didn't mean to jump ahead andhave you any comment to make relevant to this memorandum soi don't think that you're
yesterday and isaid wait until my testimony that i refused toengage in descriptions of millions of othersgermanthere've been illegal unconstitutional and those in ageneral category of growth i'd like to go ahead and irepeat now is to exactly whataq having testified youhaven't actually haven't proven that were admitted lawyeracts committed
various members of the executive branch of the conspiracy to obstructjustice conspiracy to intercept wire all communicationssubordination perjury conspiracy to obstructa criminal investigation conspiracy to destroy evidencemsrozema falling filing a false sworn statementsperjury breaking and entering burglary an interception ofwire an oral communication obstruction of a criminal investigation and thatinterference have administration of internal revenue was attempted onoverviews of internal revenue information these areillegal matters that have beenaccomplished for the executive branch of this curve
after those letters that are unconstitutionalattempts to infringe upon people's first amendment rights of free speechin the press the enemy lives which we'veseen first amendment rights to peaceable assembly fourthamendment rights to be secure in our houses the papers of that and fourteenth amendmentrights now writes a fair trial like dueprocess of law that's what we've heard has been done inthe way of unconstitutional acts by the executive branchand then we get into the area we get into the year of thegross i think it's very important that we have more than just an exhibit beforeits exhibits that were part of the yearemily papers submitted
one of having his committee yesterday about itgo ahead and read they're just very short questionsand that women from some of those women this i would say that was an area of growthmy manager john came from charles colson ireceived a well informed get their income taxed discrepancies involvingreturn j givens a vice president of the teamsters union st louisvery very good givens you should know is a lot of antiimmigrant and i ardently anti nixon years when free labor leaders were recently invitedto handle please see if this one can be started out once and ifthere isn't informers three latino there's a good girlat which you can be doneso that they're dealing with our political enemies
was an eminem invited to confess i have to do someresearch about that because it was a movie of farming you knowand we got a deal on the table here and that means everybodycan understand rebuke paragraph whichi find to be absolutely amazing tolive in the white house united states after reviewing theexpertise in dealing witheverything is not a number of persons possessed of expertise in thefield i think you know that we do not need an elaborate mechanism or rather weneed a good project coordinator and full support for the project andtweak the system would work as farproject coordinator should then the germans wondering where's the system isproject coordinator should then determine what sorts of feelings these
individuals have with the federal government going and how we canbest work but if the agcredibility federal contracts litigation prosecutionthat move alongto that portion of the internal revenue service memothat nonsense well this must be made you know the values the internal revenue serviceone of the major know thesweet political actions investigations on behalf of the administration reaffirmed requirementand responsibility on his part as a memorandumwe've been unable to obtain information in the possession of the irsregarding our political enemies and then lastly i mean one ofthe lessons we receive that list which designers andbusiness of the opponent priority actively intervene as i come from because he
wasn't thoughlanguages represented the other stars of having studied attachmentand evaluated recommendations for the disgust action i believe you'll findmy list worthwhile for growth that space age a new workerdirty pop records and priority order andi want everybody to listen to some of the comments that may alongside remainsstranded in the messageit should be hitting hard starting with this particular individualscandal would be most helpful hererichardjackson coming out of that region is aleading black anti nixon spokesman there's no weaknesses for white females
these exhibits these are the incentives thereturn in yesterday one part of the record of activity alongthose matters and prostitution and illegaland now we get to the point as to whether or notwe've had a truth will prevail or whether in factthey still continueit's trueimmigration reformthe white house will take a public posture forcooperation but privately will attempt to restrain the investigationand make it as difficult as possible get information and witnesses
a behind scenes media effort will be madeto make his own and reappear reportsand reduce theirimpact by attempting to show that the democrats are engagedin the same types of activitieswould you like to expand on that stateand he was there anything thatyou like i thinkit created council yesterday thatmeeting i mean several notes which i have notendorsed him into that will be turnover is an exhibit andhis material as documented in that formwill
because the thing that worriesme i suppose more than anything else about these hearings is that people saythese things happened in nineteen seventy and it happened in nineteen seventy one at a nineteen seventy twoit was nineteen seventy three and these are matters thatwere back then may involve people that are just back theresomething that reflects this committeethere are some orders throughnineteen seventy threearound march twenty sixteen marchtwenty seven i indicatedby press statements that that the watergate conspiracy
went beyond those seven person is engaged in the actualrate this was done in a statementa person also in an interview with nprthat was on the twenty six and twenty seventh of marchand german to read it atelephone conversation between mr obama and tocomment on the twentieth march thisconversation that takes wide and in thepossession of the committee what we mightidentify as having them some of them was a peanutbutter mixturethrough the president
wanted me to cover with you are you out of sidelineclimbing about my parents' healthall thought ok so it's a direct linethe money one of us do those two things that i did yesterdayabout the grand jury about that yeah they callcabaret and have fat content or wider earthquake around his secondstory that he put out yesterday to the effect that he had information about whitehouse involvement he was talking thereabout political sabotage and not about awardingfindings about somebody gavequite vague with pat as julietwell presidents feeling years that it wouldn't be too bad for you when
you're a press conference in the next couple of daysthat says that maynot about run record they just say wecan't continueand it turns out you don't have anyone east it really opens the question the advisability ofprovoking you know confrontation would like you'rewelcomeand as i was amazedbecauseusually wouldit was christmas
andthere weren't anythere we gothe pianothe pointof it isn't easywe were with him
after hesaid he didn't have anything we kind of an excitable good and we justmight we just might not want to alienate and i think if he finds himself in adirect word out of the white house and meet and losers basedabout it i think in the long run we might be back guyi say you don't think that this isevidence of alienation the point of no return their findings known him alli don't agree with general concept of the members of eightgeneral richard kleindienstsecondly
anybody has any information we know we want we expect to get so we'veinvestigated nursery invite other people to anybody who was information like that is obstructingjustice i did not refer to whiter my job right now is not to do sowellandthe white houseif that if we would conclude that that iswhat is it is completely elated that i say we got to takethem will keep track of that and you'llbe talking the baker in your field and phone conversationgoes on this is in the possession of the committeemembers are full review of that committee
members of the committeejazzy triggsthe committeesessionyou knowand davidmr lachman globallyalready by this time as result of some of the things that occurred on theclippers the twenty second and i believe the
sometime before this however and discussingthis committee i recall hearing and icannot recall specifically who raised a number of members of this committee and therepublican members who may have received campaign contributions during the second electionthe white house summit money might not have been reportedaction being examined the records of thatall of those contributions are locked in astate in my former office they were to pass thereby ms colson ihad never read them like they were put in there with instructions of millenniumice that would look at including myselfand the thought was to go through those who find out what was in there i am not awareof specific way of any details of the big issues that were made to
republicans or democrats or anyone specifically i know this wasdiscussed at one point in time in other words this was one of the writers and discuss a look into isunease it was researchsome wayanindividualof these contribution for the nineteen seventy two campaignevent of the white houseand other western through indicate to them thatsomething illegal or something wrong churchitself to the contributions made to my campaign
his answer to the white house andhis answer to press people who had been sent by the white house was that there wasn't anythingillegal and there was a warnowhen icrywould you describe who the committeethat incident which took place during the interviewwhich point in time us to leavethe meeting was arrangedsince it was becoming evident that i'm
here and that he wanted very much to do talk with mewhen people operate and talk with you i told them at that time i didn't want to get into anydepth that'sright my areas of knowledge because of yourmembership on the committee the following commands their discussionsat some point in time i thought i ought to inform youof the fact that at this rate a minute ago that i was aware that it wasin africa a very few and i thatdiscussion in front of yours that for anyone else at thecompany i didn't know the substance of that and i thought there is oneperson to another out i just tell you what i knew about them bank attention wasdue out that they were barking up the wrong tree would yousay were thirty seconds and azalea back in
the room let'smove to an incident that occurredwere by a reporterin washington dche was going to give any money to mycampaign andthat he had reasonable even money wasn't traveling and goand quite frankly i was being disloyal republican and though thetime when kento substantiate thisrequest there was actually no substantiation one of the callsbut our love of why we go ahead and get me alone there
and saw a couple days ago i i indicatedover nbc television apartment here and that efforts werestill being made russia's committeeconcerned about my statewant to know what the facts werei in the cadence to have recalls in storageunder threat here i did not indicate to an armeniani did not indicate during the time of the white house to communicate with anotherindividual the time the chilean embassyi don't have a
problemand time to come either to step forward and make a specificcharge or to go ahead and disavow theseattempts to remember the commissionspecial prosecutorthat'ssufficient personal experience ofreading the fake telephone conversationand with this nebulous letters through campaign funds sothat in my opinion there's the possible violation of yet another longafter all a violation of was in business over the past year
not this committeedisgust youand i have asked him to look into the possible violation of frictionfifteen of our which is the obstruction of proceedings before department'sagencies and committees last section says thethreat of force or by communication and four years of structure andpeasdo about the administration of the longer which such proceeding is being have the force of the formeragency of the united states or the exercise of the power of inquiryunder which such unclear investigation is being had by your house or anycommittee in the house committee of congress shall befine now more than five thousand dollars or imprisoned not more thanfive years or both melanoma sabena
seven music throughout the event thatyou only have a small part in but i think it's importanttoread thenew testament living alone and that we have in the worldto make me the current in the worst possible light to try tointimidate me through that process toowell let's put it this way will issue an eyewitness yearor others meet in this committee chair yellen and but they were
stable he's going to come before the committeethe northwest no intimidationknowing and no no working through thecredibility of individuals the executive branch of governmentwants to meet the standards of the american people separate interimarms and the time has come to start reacting and stop playing thistype of again and i did this about completely or make a veryspecific charges that apparently are being leaked outeither remembers oregon's witnessesappearing before this committeemr woodward well i think newrumors over
the yearsby a vote ofthe parkin the nineteen seventiesi say before you a message for the american people must knowagain i'm here as a republican andquite frankly i think that i expressed the feelings of the forty two otherrepublican senators and republicans in thestate of connecticut and in the republicanpartythere's
various individuals let me make itclear as i got i have bipartisan moment republicans do not cover allrepublicans do not go ahead and threatenrepublicans do not go ahead and commit illegal actsand republicansjulie lol it'sbeenthank you very muchi had the opportunity to discuss this matter
when he was running for the committee hearing and thattime you and i discuss the possibility that there wereindications that anyone had tried to create anatmosphere or reduce militias impacton any witnesses or any member of this committee and the spectacleon foreign reserves are they'll play that would be alegitimate inquiry for the sat this committee and for the other law enforcementagencies in the country so my act on new and any other member of thiscommittee chairman but i'm sure that i speak his sentimentsas well say that as we developinformation up best occurrences that ought to be investigated and certainly argue truerelating to any person anywitnesses relating to any number of this committee at that
well probably be investigated because that this committee surelywithin the scope and jurisdiction of our effortfive thirty am an expression of my talent onwhether we continue to lose time with herthere's no objection then the committee will stand in recess took on the marbleceiling we've beenwatching john dean for four days now and i think it's becoming increasinglyclear that if john dean's testimony is to be discredited the deed will be done by theurban comedy it'll have to come from some other source possibly the white housetomorrow for the committee to conclude its questioning of it is when the sole witness thisweek and yet after three days of questioning the committee has a listen to a little informationbut wasn't contained in his original two hundred and forty five pages opening statement
still raged eversince as senators hop from one topic to another jumping from an officialnineteen seventy one enemies list in nineteen seventy three meeting on the watergate coverup the next witness will be the former attorney general and campaign directorjohn mitchell but the real kind of questions are waiting for john ehrlichman and bobhaldeman members of the white house faction now appears opposed to the mcgregormitchell dream team and the most crucial questions for the president himselfgentleman today again emphasized the importance of getting some sort of input from presidentnixon but no one on the committee is ready to demand that the president be invited oreven subpoenaed by the committee perhaps that offered such a move would deepen what's nowbeen officially adjourned by the white house a constitutional crisis or perhaps they justthere is such a move would be bad public relations as you saw her in thefinal moments of debates questioning senator weicker was talking with john thain about what health
plans they influenced your ribbon committee about low fines and back correspondentpeter kay talk to senator baker about when the hearings ended workers spokeat the end of this session of the pressure on him and john keenanby implication and other committee members from the white house that you had suchpurchases depends on how you approach you know i'm not sure i've had aninquiry from the white house that has been spoken of and this record about whether they mighthave some input into collecting minority council i did not interpret that is pressureon some of the football team saying no the matter dropped there's no effort topress the other senator wyden from a point that i think serves a very very common is veryimportant and as you know i indicated senator wyden for my colleagues on thecommittee that if there is reasonable indication thatsomeone was trying to pressure the committee members or witnessed or anyone
else that it's certainly within our jurisdiction authority to investigate i canunderstand sector workers concern i'm sympathetic to it and ithink he was perfectly within its rights to like the statement he made to date noware in my own case that pressure i had no hesitation insaying no i just say that an assembly that will monitor this what do think thatwhen you met with the president on and finally one of the exhibits and that putting theagenda set of bigger appears to be truly deserves cooperating you know peterwere any of them put up in theway that i have no recollection of that the as you remember iasked mr deane if he could recall how much of an agenda but he dictatedwas so discouraged with the president and he indicated only two items and as i told thepresident i thought he ought not to claim executive privilege heat only hope
we never allow parents when i told him what i thought he ought not to do it i thinkhe will skip the rest of it but i don't know that expression thatwas my recommendation to the chief executive officer the country and i'm happy as a matter fact that is worked outsenator thank you very muchand it's common strategy remains unclear it issued two separateversions of the questions by special counsel fred buzz up and bows out himself is not agangster explain his statement wasn't the official presidential position andif it wasn't what it is the question for everybody right now ishow is john dingell and after four days well on the old that question thetwo everybody sue what's today's session with his david austin of georgetown universitylaw school here in washington and stephen hess former nixon aide author on politicalsubjects and now a senior fellow at brookings institutionfestival nature assessment john dean at this point i think gandhi is doing
very very well as a witness lawyers sometimes don't make very good witnessesbecause they are so busy analyzing the legal aspects of the questions that are being thrown atthem but they forget the dancers have to be spontaneous and direct and that they have to answerquestions but i think he's doing remarkably well i must add however that ithink part of the reaction that i have is based on the fact that the questionsthat are being thrown out on the bar for the most part very easy questions they arequestions that do not really probe they are questions that are very easy for himto answer and very easy for him to talk when he wants toavoid mentioning things that might strike a discordant note withindividuals that he does not want to offend and except for saturday i think thatall of the people who have been asking him questions have given him the opportunity tomake almost any response he wants seemed pleased with his answers even when they
were not responsive to the question what good how would you assess the net result of senatorbaker's question i think that simon baker either deliberatelyor accidentally in fact bolster dean's testimony and bybolstering i mean we went over it with this routine step by stepand i think he made the testimony more direct he made the testimony certainly more legalbecause of the way the eu and i think the couple isagreed to about john thain after fourdays i would agree that john dean has been a very cool and skillful whatthis certainly develop a pattern of sgtthey're a seamy activities at the white house but i would contend in regard to that oneconcern central concern that we all have and the question ofwhat was the president's direct role in the watergate cover upfor all things four days in twenty hours and two hundred and forty five
page statement made boil down that one pregnantparagraph where he talks about the media march thirteen in which he giveshis opinion direct quotes from the president concerning offer is iran's money inexecutive clemency what about his demeanor as a witness and as ahuman beings sitting there and of course part of that of that weight and withinabout his assessment of all believe the believability of the witness how to write thatdistrict that i remember how it a he appearsto be spontaneous he even lapsed there are not very manymoments where one can laugh when one has been before the senate of the united states for four dayshe has a certain degree of spot maybe about him and i think most of all hehe carries with him a feeling that perhaps just perhapshe has been put a part of these various threats or leaks that have been made to thepress which have tried to impugn his character are valid that is to say he has
been put upon he has been threatened threats of course are in the mind of the holderwell i think the dean comes across very well almost as the innocent young man despitethe very very damaging statements that he's made about himself i was erected amajor factor just thought well iraquite that's highly in the same the same sets a dean doesn't come across tome as the type of fellow that i'd like to have is a friend or have over fordinner i've got a stake in the backyard or anythinglike that the unity get comes across as very coolvery calculating after all this time you have to have a certain respectfor the fact that only this but he hasn't lost his temper like that iwould happen says suspect maybe most people would have had a reasonto bethel important thing to get the important thing is that he has notcome across as a person we disbelieve them
at certain that scores the key question at this point that their jobthe important thing i guess is that dean has nowundergone is for long day here's the star watergate workers and hiscredibility seems to remain largely unchallenged in an effective way sen bakerthe vice chairman of the committee said to remember that the central question is what did the presidentnow and when did he know strenuous questioning by some members of the committee and questionsabout a white house have failed to shake bean's contention that the president knew a lot andquite early morn doubt the committee has succeeded in raising and that is whysen bernie is whether different interpretations may be placed on the fact that the net hasconsistently resided for four days so these charges against the president standand seem likely to stand until the former attorney general john mitchell takes the stand theweek after next now which mitchell has been tasked by the white house as
being spayed and co conspirator the role he chooses to play andcorroborate her of being or a defender of the president may well be the decisivefactor in resolving this most important question facing the committee is mr nixonas innocent as he claims for my college again peter j and jim lehreri'm robert mcneill good night from washington you've beenwatching gavel to gavel videotape coverage of hearings by the senate select committee on presidentialcampaign activities as coverage is made possible by grants for special eventscoverage from the corporation for public broadcasting and the ford foundation and has been aproduction of unpacked and a vision of a greater washington educational telecommunicationsassociation you'llsay hillary ornewtonand
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