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theplaintiff through the plannedinterview with mr barry oh and most of yourgains june the twenty second and july the sixthclose up and i would say perhaps a just a guess acouple dozen times of that was discussed and that request was made inourcommunities and how many times didmr helms tell you that there was no cia involvementso me and that specific matter except for theregion twenty second conversation because my other conversations were directedto laugh a specific question for example the conversation
specificallythere's no and he saidnocompanies that means if youhave with mr bazan must've felt training june twentysecond and the united states when you call thismcgregorthe three of usmr davisthank you did you get anyother greeting guests at the state of the investigation that was going on from other people in thefbi during those meetings aren't any other meansnot at
the colonial how are youkeeping up with the state of the investigation and aperiod of time there were these initialtwenty eighteeni guessdid you think that mrdean wilkening to persistent in his request that you're not there or so theinterview andi'm just goingto resistbut circumstances exist
you'reso well he even continue to request that younot pursue this interview on interrogation unit after unit toldhim that the cia had assured you that there was nodanger of involving the cia in mexico is not correct that'scorrectnow you were talking to twovery knowledgeable man mr felton is to base with respect toinvestigations they were meeting you and you were going over thestate of the investigation nowyou collectively that
that being persistence was actually a designto do something with respect to this investigation those arethe reason i didn't is that we're investigating one smallclass of a witch and i mindlessly didn't turn out to be a cia moneyfor a political contribution so i cantruthfully say that we didn't get that excited about it except to say that theseleads are going to be covered eventually and we continue to work closelywith the sole exception of interviewing individuals concerns areand then what was the basis for you including weekend workers at the president was about tobe victimized or that he might be morally won't because general what wasconveyed to meet a very clear impression that he was going to be directed towrite a letter the meeting would say the cia interestin singing oh mandy well carol ann arbor that
was his preoccupation and that was when he would discuss with me and diddiscuss the fact that he was going to resign and he wantsto see the president that this would be a great disservice to the present but this will beinjurious to both of our institutions the non and united states that you'dget caught mr mcgregor at ten fifty one and received acall from the president at eleven twenty eight mr may soonthat it's an invasive figure some curiosity in your mindithink there isi don't know i really don'tand then that if you afew days thousands of the two telephone calls
if you were thinking of calling mr mcgregor to ascertain whether or notyour call assertive not because ibelieve it is there anything to be substance of thequestions with youoh interesting finding out what thereaction the president was if mr mcgregor talking about your messagewell i may very well have been arrested on the road bang on the president'stour and amanda reply help but i didn't see the chief executiveofficer of the nation the information that i want and i was reallysurprised because i was going to saywhy did you selectmr mcgregor actor as the messenger carry on your massing waiting to call the
president to sell because i didn't feel that i have to call the presidentmyself one does not want a president without doing it some dobut you have been at that point that the president was beingvictimized though that he might be mortally wounded that itregretted their rights secular yes i know why didn't you wrote thefindings or did youit is my responsibility now did youever report any any part of this investigation results that optimisticwhen he's been any as stage between june twenty secondunstable the first of nineteen seventy thoughsubstance because that this isn't the wayit
isthank you andyou're welcome the yiddish your parents on yournomination you a complex vividcolorful sir during the video issenate judiciary committee was passing on your nomination to be director of the fbiyou know they have a conversation with jell oyou have acopy of all the al qaedamodel seven a late nineteen seventy three
and i haveto thin margin six nineteen seventy three i thoughtthat a certain only six thirty four pmnow you're welcome you're welcomethat girl thecontents of all say one of theagents in the fbi and that thesedocuments and others to all about twenty eleven you yourself anothertime i don't know that i was concernedlots ofcities doto
youand you knowand i think you're right the nameof the titans andthe brecht parable about what he's going to be absolutely son anemotional line that they had to the fbi and don't make adistinction between the fbioh everythingsen allen what i was telling them mr erlichman there was told him onthe evening of march the sixth it's not much to celebratebecause that is the day on which we received a letter from the aclu what iwas that i can do now that because the language of mine is is right there with
reference to the letter that was delivered on that day and that was anevening of march the sixth well what is mr chairman ifi may be areas that i was being pushed up with audience or the fact thati've got to get in the midst of being reportsthe fbi interviews and had emitted mr dean sittinon fbi interviewed well the place all this is that you allalong are you a vote on westindian the couple boys set in our ways and sayit came out on principle unstable admit that thefbi and instead of sum up i'm in the eighties another givingthe right the message mr chairman let me say that the messages thati gave to mr erlichman was the taliban being shot up what was
not certainly a message to tell him that if asked under oath that he couldnot testify because i had previously spoken to john being on this very subjectand i asked him if he had stolen reviews and everything about thosesame very files that he had told meand i don't know what thatmeans we are rightnowat the interview i was telling thatelement of the gun being shut up unless he told a real axe over a question aboutthat and he that is being inthis is that is that is correctbetween the watergate evidence and among watergate
evidence is they told me all rightpaul ryanyou have called him and through himandyesterdaywhilethe governor's plan andmaybe say oknow right interpretation of that sothat you go oh oh and i asked
him to see the dj at one of people that gotthat you think that all the contents of ponce had been delivered that the oddone comment today is relevant part of a lot of record i think you gotto put that in the proper context as the gemini just that all the day beforejohn being regarding a seminar in which i went into a chapter and verse with himbecause he had told and repeated sin of the delivery of groceries foxtv and i asked adina to you john paul handley everythingyou told me about those files that they were non watergateevidence non watergate related she clearly not be permitted to see the light they werepolitical dynamite so this has got to be put in the proper context that there's noquestion about it and that's all of well i was saying that john erlichmanvote on being shot up as he was making nicedistinctions that of those who did not make it with me or my assumption
was that they had the liver all of the watergate evidence that was inrestaurants vows to the eighties principled oppositionbusinesses thank youdan talk about this in tehran on the contrary to how liverpoolthe fbi and we didn't do that in the callon the end and that big you're questioning sadly that wasmy understanding of the law again tell me one thingi saidyeahif you want to appeal
how are youthosewho are patienttheconversationyou as politicians andsecuritycommitted we elected president then the most part time it wasdiscovered that battle a white house consultantthe reason the white house was oh all implicatedand
yesterdayyou're welcomeoh yeahthat gradually found thosealienated investigation by appleyou started working on that improbablecall form knew that the jobwas done in connectionwith the fbi and ciai knowin this investigation that was the very first day that i was back to my trip to the
west coast that was on june twenty three is the libyan foreign media giant being atconducting that type yougot to have the communicationyou know according to allow you to put a farce wedidn't feel it was thatyour communications human cell fieldcommunications you don't want a communications you are herrecommendations do i make him a cult classicscommunication between you and being part of the regimeas ananomaly in college you get from that thatinvestigated as leader of the political money and thecia activities well he didn't characterize it as
political money at almost family told me that there was definitely a ciainterest in these two gentleman and obamawhoa whoa whoa who has testified before you would see you but the whitehouse in all of thisbob so that wasasyou will theinvestigation into the mexican tension about werewell i continued the peripheral investigation as i had previouslytestified mr chairman that there's no question about it but there was atemporary delay encountered and interviewing mr gary owens fordr no question about that in iraq
it wasall the investigation of thecia for so that's the reason that youwill move morewell <unk> statement the media at least threetimes during my july sixth meeting and you were directed to write such a letter to me sayingthere was cia and tristan couple with mr edmonds cancellationof the meeting that i'd spent on june twenty eight the answers as wellhellorobert
mr yoo rightyes because you know after i thought would be thepresident mr chairman i thought surely that the channel waters and i were a line tostand up for what we believe to be so was not sothe momentas well asthat just the way that we doi doi agreed with gentle waters that if youwere directed to write such a letter this could be modeling moving to thepresident and when settlers got up to leave after putting his handsbehind his death and saying to me oh i haven't americans are
not concerned about my pension anymore not develop these kids kicked me around wediscuss whether or not the president should be going and i don't know what it was ifirst mentioned or whether it was gentle womanyes sir we do so i knewhow to get him the role and thenyou got to call this survey and wellyou tell whether that all theworld will be heavily whoa whoa no moreas i said that one reason i really haven't some people and used that are kind ofmodeling and when you act did youexpect that you will a memoir about howone wanted i wanted this message out of the president withgreat fear and trepidation and i expect that the president would ask me a
question now those are not themedieval me you know when i said to them i get in their message and then i said i just toldthem that record and i've asked him to speak with you and you say you are welcomebut you know whatmr chairman i don't think i'd testified that i would've i checked with generalwalter isn't the meaning of september twelve and on the meeting of i mean the julytwelve and july twenty years even president called him i would i was andi was interested to knowtheywill likely amongthe decision wellin your testimony helped the new compilation
they kept a proverb talked about thewar and he says among those are the eu who'srightdo thankyou mr chairman that is making observations are on the very first sunday that i went tomass after being appointed acting director of the federal bureau of investigation thelesson of the maps and the little leaguer that was passed out of damascus the storyof jo and for some strange reason i put that in my briefcase and i kept thatthere ever sincethe poweris
backit isyour musclesdidyou ever take your telephone conversations or your conversations in your officeno sir i've never given you ever voted for him and so does it everdone for him was it ever got to the best of my knowledge information and believethis was never done i saw no reason to doitairlinewhich after all a prettystrong charges against the nature and quality of the fbiinvestigation in order and light of that article if we chose
to look into the matter and interview the sayingin principle agents and others who are actually involved inthe investigation through june tell us who we ought to talk to asearch servicebefore this committee seventy six seventy seven one thirty fourwhen eighty one were that they supportthe law the intensityof this investigation mrmccourt is being very unfair and his allegations fortymen and women of the federal bureau of investigative forcemuch attention on wednesday many witnesses wouldbe characterized as unfair about one party or the other depending on the point of view
but are you in a position as the names of all thoseofficials of the epidemic but this is new thosenames rightbut i wish you would if you don't mind can followso we don't have to go through the exhibit of every person and the fbi to have somepart in the investigation of the watergate episodes of medicine like thousands of it jimyes siryes butreceiving land hereinvestigators interview
yes sir i'm not sure thatit has in it is within the an hour of it was the gray ormyself you come up with the names of all of the agentsworking on their word on one investigationby germany's those copies of documents which he doesn't in hispossession i convey that one ever that we've made toothis is the preparation for information from the fbi in recent weekshas been denied as i'm not complaining about the emmys when i try to think it isn'tpossible it was great to come up with all the names that your question seems to assume nowat the age offorty three of them
those days inthe fieldsi really don't know what i want i don't suppose werean investigator interview all three hundred and forty one ages but we might but whati'm interested in is information that we can arrive byinterviewing npr personnel vary on the allegations by the most important his articlewhich says senior personnel of the fbi's all search warrants wereturned down and other matters in terms of allegations that were made in thearticle that's really what i'm after many other names even supplies that you think would behelpful in testing the quality of the investigation and theenthusiasm the burners of the investigation be helpful but i have to you to yoursappeared to have that respect obviously i'm not calling on give us exact detail will coach or notin a position to do so at this point which are in a far better position that i suppose
if you do your best in that respect and appreciate the lesser known as themysterious this week while talking about the fbiinvestigation as i'veindicated the michael moore article aside there's been a good bit of speculation about howthere aren't approaching it was like a long storyshort the fbi's warrant top spot he's been in the leagueorganization and joining us for a reputation i think it's still great organization and willcontinue to be i'd like to ask this is it seems to memaybe there's something aboutthe nature of the relationships of the fbi to other writers government and particularly for thejustice department the white house don't necessarily make it the bestpossible agency for the investigation of alleged political activity of thistype now four s of course now with a year in advance i haven't
even abiding this address that the federal police systemi'd be terribly shocked and surprised this country ever came to the federal police forceyou have any thoughts you can give this committee on how the fbi might be structuredthe city damon i'm a part of the justice department or notart or whether it should or should not be bitchyinvestigatory arm or things of this title you surely you had betterinsight and that that idea but can you comment on the nature of thefbi's future or that might relate to political actorswell this is a very difficult question answered because i foundsome of my research that there's never been a situation likethis with the fbii would like to find my son
the morale in thefbi is why the fbi is not the law last year andeven letters that i get the day from some of those free agents do you still write tomewhat has happened hereand i thinkyou do it isvery difficult atsome of the exhibits before this committee will have tested forexample where one of our special agents was accused by two newspaper reporters asbeing a source of their story a very controversial and very inflammatory storygetting so right in the fall and this is all happening atthe same special agent i'd rather in connection with the interview
of that this is i wasn't going toremember meit's this type of thing i think that perhaps those predictions in this kind of asituation may very well have been overwrought by individualswith whom they had to come and contact in the course of their interviews and theymay not have asked as tough questions as we mighthave wished to do yet i have a report from them that they didn't ask ofthose tough questions there wereplaintiffs in anindependent agency would create a national policeforce a proper individuals select that that agencyand with the idealism a love for this country that is so
necessary i think that it could safely be done and removed completelythere's no question about it with us withjustice we were right in the matrixwell no question about as a parent gets to drop her statementthat it might be possible or have an independent agency but george annasjurisdiction he has served as my feeling and even myconfirmation hearings i testified that i wanted to work with the committee on the judiciary i wanted towork with an oversight committee and i chop even with people who heavilycriticized the fbi because i wanted their view i wanted to know what they thoughti met with the protesters who have the princeton fans to see whati think that with the type of man and woman notices in thefbi legislators consideredan independent agency operating under an oversight committee
without fear the creation of a national police force that's become a bible i didn'tsee any evidence at all in the year that it also hear that ihave in the federal bureau of investigation of independence seaport at national policeforce i said just the oppositei'm sure we'll have an opportunity to discussand the private conversations legislators like yoursuggestions are well taken and i think they will andjust a moment senator walker drive to tie ups and was centered learning great relationship withpresident nixon over television coverage of the senate watergate hearings will continue after apause for station identification i don't read coverage of these hearings is provided asa public service by the member stations of pbs of public broadcastingservice it'sbfb
and that continues its coverage of hearings by the senate select committee on presidential
campaign activities you again correspondent jim lehrer so icarried out resumes questioning his friend l patrick grayso insofar as my question's concerned but there's one lesson i think that i want topursue trying to the president's stateof the theory of maple were thinlyon march twentyone outerand i personally one of those conducting investigations to get all the factsand reporting directly to me right in the suburbs andall i asked you whether or not you'd receive such an order from the president of that time youknow i just
if any responses come in the future frompreseason reporting is that we put them in the proper context itcould be interpreted the reason why he received no such order was a lawyou knowany knowledge that there was a lack of governance lack of faith in you at thistime march twenty first on the part of the prisoners there no says anotherfact i received a call from the president on march of twenty thirteen were amongother things he told me there would always be a place for me in the nixon administrationlike here you have another conversationapril firstor work out to this committee the nature that
phone conversation it to make annoying we might shorten up in iraqended on april fourthit was just too human moment for comedy withdrawing her nomination on that day orthe next dayit was indicated to you by the attorney generalmoved to crimea would be allowed to lawyer named and atthe white house was expecting a call so with that background thathe wanted out of that background please doisn't that evening after i met with the assistant director of the fbi five thirty totell him that i was going to request the president withdraw my nominationi call president and i told him it was obvious that i did not have thevotes and that the nomination would not come out of thecommittee and i thought the best thing that i could do would be to the question to
withdraw my nomination and he told me that this was a ican't these are not his exact words i know that but that thought it's clear that thiswas a better thing to have happened to me then there'll be another timeto fight our enemies and he again said i'm quite positive there be aplace for you in the nixon administration and i believe that i read to him whatis this until mysuccessor will be named and confirmed president said to me i will want you todo just that and i did i remained there until april at one isthat they feel that the police and soforth up that they both have firsthand knowledge butfirst
yes because i mean i'm quite certain i read in thatin my letter words that i would remain jittery desire until a successoris nominated and confirmed now leslie orkorea was ontrial starting with a phonecall to me from here on the seventeenth of april morning around nine o'clock a reallylimited that live within themall an assignment that moment in timefor meetings and twenty twenty sixand subsequent daysfollowing the truth all the complete story to me andthe committees there to the committee i believe miriam says the committee
todaywonder why and insome instances is incorrect and that i have because he toldme first is not like that on record in saying thatand even going on the way moretroops came from youknow one of the localmorguein this time i think of anexample that finally something in people's mindsthat happened right before this committee we all talk about the july six phoneconversation i remember hearing that in some thirty in the morning themorning of a big tent john walters reports that
given testimony before we march for islam atan issue that visible example is through the money matters thatyou live for certainly i don't knowand deeply appreciative ofwhat must have been a very difficult role and nobodyhas exonerated anybody else and you've admitted to committing yourself to the burdens theus but li says that doesn't undermine criticalquestion and i noticed that the women are going to come out of that maybe the agents wereover on those who hadn't intervenedles paul my question you were youover awed by the man the maninstitution of government that you were before
i know that i was overwrought i certainly every yearwell classified as a deep and abiding respect built upover the years for the office of the presidency and knowing him feeling in my ownmind had no matter who comes into that office he always rises to the burdens of that office and of theindividuals and that in my judgment in my books have always been awell then beyond reproach and withperhaps with that in mind senator like yeah you can say yes to thati was overwrought but i believe they're not interested and i think i hadevery reason to believe and trust and that notime that i ever consider that i was dealing with individuals were tryingto sweep me into the very conspiracy that i have the responsibility of investigatingthat's a madman's are i just didn't havethat the beginning of the record
so the syrians the petersonseventy onesenator in a way i think that was the evening of april twenty sixbut the attorney general is largerprivate ups yesterday did say that you agree with this observation so iwas sitting there i was sitting in the overstuffed chair and i remain sittingthere as mr peterson laid up and down seventy yeari'm scared that i said why is that because i believe thathuman rights are not and i suppose they'd saydidn't care and i said do you think i should go and he said yes
i get out of a chair is a newagreement edition's observation i couldn't believe it because i had nobasis on which to agree with it and wanted to supervise a partialbecause i that was the deal isn't when you don't agree withthem i didn't even in the sense thathe and i were expendable or not but imean that and certainly as i testified earlier that it appeared to be thati was that this memo to extricate myself withwater in this situation in which i promise of at this point in timethose data centersthat'sthe nation's
defensesand this was close and the debate as a question toyou in the good of the fbi because the usand the justice department was in the matrix a politicalactivity in washington and my reporting is that and when i said thatmatrix of political activity but certainly in a politicalmatrix of the question about whowas until monday you made several speechesand some have suggested that these were politically inspiredyour belief that these were justified among political speeches senator inouyeas the five and i believe that i went out to talk about the fbi to talkabout america which i love very very deeply this is mycountry and i was talking about that because there are a lot of people who were knocking this
country and i was talking about this it was in fact senatori want to know that there were people at the white house whoare complaining that i was making too many statesbelieving his degrees i believe in my country and the wholeleaving at all pleased to be taken as political speeches i said i'm charlie we're goingto continue to make those speeches and get out of my country now other men willdefinitely and they have said that this was what was in my heart in my mind i'mmaking those speeches given thatso the fbi may have a thorough investigation of the watergate incidentand decide a patent sixty employees ofsnack portion of the prison were interviewed by donationsis that correct that's only one of the tracks that i cited
senator and that was in response to that direct question that one of the members of that is thecomedy but that is not thebasis of theinvestigation and says police andwitnesses in september nineteen seventy through the non operating bug wasdiscovered and the democratic national committee of all i believe in theform of his disposal wethink of itright i don't know the number that weserve and i know that the assistant united states attorney was veryinsistent that that he ran up very early because a contented was made that thisbody had been there all time and
serves seventeen nineteen seventy twowhatever senator those of the senate aregenerated and so not onlyare the fbi raided the border x number of interviewsfor the democratic national committee was any suggestion that the democratshave themselves tohearthis isan especially relationship was the biggest concern wasgiven that request the destruction of certain classified documents these papersthat he suggested and probably have to
testify live on the cia and watergateand it isn't just a question ofinterviews with hillarybut given the money is eventuallybe suspicious of thedisease there's a sitting there is counsel of the president if i'm asenator he didn't request itisthis was my impression of theconversation the clear impression that this was work that there was a messagethat this is what was going throughand that's
a disappointment for classifiedinformation the impression that i got was that they should bedestroyed center in a way and i'm just five years on this is it is clear is thatas the director of the fbi are going to operate on the basis of the impressionsso this was thesituation president obama says thatthe president wants a new senator has to be a clearmessage with distractions are juston april twenty seven vote this year youbecame suspicious mr beattyright thecity's
twenty sixtwenty sevennixondenies it but as the nextperson president ofending this morning from his office and he was going to discuss with him a los angeles times reportthat the informant was that wasn't that a lot of the vetting ofdemocratic it was now your command and he said thatmust have been was clear and cleanthat you still believe the us being was involved in some waythis was supposed to be and
i am at the involvement is he's confirmed for melater on it was on the fifteen and the subsequentdevelopments the president's statement and the whaleleaders of europei was overly concerned nobecause i testified that this is the first inkling that i think would've beeninvolved and then the fact that this wassubsequently confirmed later on the cell phone conversations of april fifteen and theevents that follow but this was this is the first glimpse of thesameand i think the president's statement the racethat thing wheni go i
think he was very dismissive of my state of mindyou're welcomewriter and i was convinced that the senior executives of the fbi where wediscuss this you know this isn't something that we did not discuss weconsider that these people were sort of intelligent to be involved in this kind of sordid business justdisregard every othermr delaney dmehas been a governmentit is an
investigation i want to know that i read your statementvery carefully not once not price threetimes trying to figure outwhat motivated you just a minutei shall carry the burden of that ad with me allthings this movie renoir and i canappreciate your situation andit had a lotof hurt which encompassesa pattern experienced by many others at the white houseand at the canadian elected president nowwe as human beings cannot help but have compassion andintensity of the watergate
why do you think that the tentacles ofwatergate tax so many good people so adverselywellsenator i would like to savesome ihave a lot of hurricanesi certainly didno exceptionnowmy
responsibility and i had never played on anythingsenators and many others getto us and they are going to under similar circumstances andmy sympathies in spite of their motivations hurt thank you verymuch sir i don't know what thequestion isbutanderson memorandum to you that i do not mean the ones thathe wrote regarded as an account of his conversations with yousixteen
this weekdoes that there was anotherreasonhe'sbeenseriously i yes i was at their
identifications that was on the record aschairman that we can make these memorandaall right at one hundredyears you said that you in concert he's determined thescope of the fbi investigation but the same timethat you and your agents were not allowed to follow leadsand i'm asking you if you can the german spoken to necessarily determine the legionfall yes and that is not exactly correct answer because thoseinvestigations i think the exhibit shows the german by thedepartment of justicehe'ssober this
investigationbut the director of the fbi has notsaid the scope of the investigation in a situation of thiswe have an intercepted communications investigation in the burglaryinvestigation will come a time iknowlegalcounsel then we met people i should say my people tomy accounting in front section of the general investigation division thatwith mr peterson on this particular sound beacon at this time mrpeterson did not feel that there was sufficient factualevidence on which to go into that area that
determination isn't all those ragged not that's a matter ofrecord recommendation before this committee ohnicethe case agentlevel working with the assistant united states attorney and in conjunction with the otheragents working on the case but the acting director of the fbi does notdetermine and set up the cleats mr gray you're you knowthe term we use making a contemporaneous writing following a conversationdid you make any contemporaneous writings follow in your conversations with us whileothers and the president in relation to mrwalters contemporaneous wrightreveals of the congress
reviewas thewife you knowyeahno i could not take any notes of those totalcost of the project rather momentous occasion was a you know that is that itwas very aggressive and i think the events in to remember it and doit right now they're entertainers that the record wasre was never discussion talks about love recommending that the presidentappoint a special prosecutor for the watergate place yesterday
was only did you do who drew it upand avery carefully with them and disgusted with themdiscussing the same dayabout it did not approve of the newrecommendation you stated that this would be very awful lot to the mobjustice in the us this was just an act that could not be takenaugust break during her confirmation hearings you'llawkwardly and i reject the senate judiciary committee the fbi records outyou're welcome mradamson the watergate investigatingthe united states senate judiciary
committee but those arms no patients in those arteries ishould say mike walker was rescinded by an order that i received from thejourney down great never had any indication that anyof your agents were engaged in any so called dirty tricks for the virusis soisthis an indicationof thatthis is national securityand that's the question of that postit now when you workedbefore the senate judiciary committee we're misunderstood miss the
findings to make contact you and tell you that he would like to meet himevery daymaybe maybe the next day yes i think they did and thosemeetings with anyone or very few of them i think there was onlyone of the five o'clock hour wouldreveal it because of the heat in just keeping up witha girl were necessary preparation did you ask him to meet withyou and at some point that timing said no pettis it's all overnow no ididn't do thatif you don't remember that you couldn't comment on whether or not you're getting the feeling of anissue being propped up those are a goodfeeling that i was being dropped into outright requested that the nomination the
withdrawal was declining stormy there are other candidates beinglooked into just greater than fbi agents years havetaken documents from this game in this tournament in the manner which you didnot report it to the fbi that would be a very large possibility that theywould be invited and at least five and that'sbecause these men these men were my superiors and certainly that wouldbe his superiors and i'm not at all certain that i want to leave the matterand that isdriving the president spoke with you on march twenty third nineteen seventy three you say thismorning that you had a strange feeling it that may be yourcalls or do you have time to reflect and to know thatthere has been a discovery a certain take things that are having a different
reflection of the president's conversation to you that they are muslims and i don'twant to put words in my mind in this i just can't do that i toldmy testimony i think was not that i had any revealing it was being recorded with therevealing that was being sent reporters and i really geta sense of the conversationsgood morningsirthe engineaninvestigationwe've had
some information from the bureau and the indications are that there were three hundred and fortythree agents investigating this case that two thousand three hundred and fortyseven fifty six of the time the officerswere involved and twenty two thousand four hundred and three men outlivedon this issue and yet we know nowthat there were tremendous actors which were notthe only persons and i had one person who were indiansto pour in the water you'd serve at the time of the greatsothat investigationinvestigationi think there's a sense of
pride i have the deepest sense ofpride in that investigation which is one of the reasons that i operate through the unitedstates senate members of the united states senatebeginning early in april where i believed that i wasgoing to continue to remain in the position of acting director we began to watergateinvestigation and the fbi i sat some of the talkingto repair think the fbi investigationthrough the meetings of the select subcommittee i feelgood but that was avery very very good investigation but i would alsosay that we have to take what people are telling us tooand in many cases in conjunction with the assistant united states attorney people werebrought right to the rancher we try with the ways available
to us to be the very best quell have you can't order now aninvestigation is in the results areproduced and without that we have are producing some pretty decent theresults of the town david you would just run for the judiciary committee infebruary and as of now matter how manyman hours were expended on interviews were conducted around the agency resignedand the result wasnot as it appears to be uncertaini realize i realized that there's thousands but i still say toyou that on the basis of everything that we have to work with them on the people we interviewed ithink that there's a sense there that might havethat is correct and that was taken up during the
meetings that we have part of my confirmation hearings and i asked a question and then i was toldby a senior executives that we have absolutely noleaks that led to mr haldeman and the league was about to interview what gets them ofa point he mentioned several times that that you were not naturally curiousdid you were you lived here as a lot of the investigator's standpoint otherthan that you have to be very serious and there's enough to followleave that to their logical conclusions and the logical possibility he had themayor elect people thought andseventy mc you'rewelcomethe committee reelection of certainlywere contacts between the white house and newt reelection of anything butofficial with the dnc by the committee to reelect ratings
agency that the possibility that someone in the white house would know about thatwould be possibly use issues or not it's usefulmajor sources of speculation but on these things and then thethings that investigators are supposed to speculate that the logicalconclusion and if you did would that not lead directly to nato those i wouldhave to say mr thompson in all fairness and with respect to youthat my agents did not come up with any league's going to mroberman and as a matter of fact i think all of us where babies in the woods therewith regard to a relationship that existed we did not know thatrelationship that existed right now as youknow i did i did nothuman in war that is correct
certain that that documentation isn't the record and as i recollect that was at therequest of the assistant united states attorney so we're working with the casewellwho makes thefoundation on the case who made the determination of thoseleagues were read the working levela case agent level working with the assistant united states attorneys and subject toreview of course by the field supervisor in even by the special agent in chargeof the washington field office and then even up into the fbi headquarters with thebureau supervisor working on the case and with the assistant director general of thecity and you mentioned that you have grown because of information that would mean for
you by the people who you were going to make the determination as to whatquestion i asked thatquestion of my people and thoseattacking inflation before this committee with regard to that which sets forth thefact that malaysian is specifically told me questions to ask and howto ask the questions that these men are pretty well trained asinvestigators and reliance was placed upon them or to ask about her questions and i believethat they did well and going strong forexample he was interviewed then interviewed rather extensively wealso evidently was interviewed although with regard to this situationin both of themin a material which could be construed as a
result of electronic eavesdropping portal assume that andthen he found out that he did have contact withall of the layers on to invite awesome new questions about thosepossibilities even though normally use in andaccusations of possible have one option which alltwentyyearsportland oh that hewas interested in the lowtwenties that we sell to be thematerials in the housenot only women in refugee reviewing have you beenled to apportion worried that the
untrained observer not pursuingthese other employers are not going back and following the ballmaybe this is a little bit unfair because i can't reallyaccount for the state of mind of the agents at the time with regard to nobody's specificquestions that they're asking and i do know that theprosecution strategy was to uncover do to drive two convictionconvictions were obtained on the basis of the fbiinvestigation and then that conviction too well some of those convicted wereto disclose some relevant facts which is indeed what occurredof course this would not this involves huge important that the facts aretrue of the tourism commissionyes that is correct mr casa what i'm saying to use
that that i don't know the state of mind of each one of those individual agencieshe he asked questions and develop this report andas those read reports were review i really don'treligionsthat was true whether or not it was a recordof that investigation unit rent butlesser be inflation or politicalinstability thatopposition of the bureau it'sasians were not realize how much turnover there iswithin the bureau for examplemr beatty
right the ranks of thecareer professionals the only the onlypeople during my tenure who are not career professional at numbers ofthe federal bureau investigation where the acting director and his specials thatbefore you were born yes i wasriderherethankyouyou'rewelcome
thankyoui knew i was on firm groundwhat i wanted to do mr thompson i testified earlier was take a step in the direction ofstandardizing within the federal bureau of investigationyouthink you're fine the comments are made right in there that mr hooperdisseminated women when everyone in this had been the practice in the federal bureau investigationand i was trying to reach a different object ofthese were you were an animalthe river
mr questionyou're rightthey should acquiesce to doone of also pouring into thestructural beaver be our time now the situation wasthe relationship between the white house at the edgeof the road i think every president as the one the fbi ashis own park not just this president in fact the research that we did inthe federal bureau investigation on this question revealed just out and i thinkthe at the one suggestion that i didn't make that too senator baker
has that i do not clear the fbi has an independent agency thea idealistic properly motivated individual there's the headreporting to an oversight committee or committees here in the congress iwanted to do i have that as one of the proposals that imade and i don't get work i met with the house judiciary committee early in the game i wantedthat kind of relationship with the legislative knot because the fbi isin a difficult position and it doesn't make it but they getout of the corner of putting them i doit would be an independent agency yes with thisthe ball of the palm gardenrelationship the white house i don't know that itwould've that's it's pretty broad that i could answer you say that it would completely resolved ithink that the writers and at the study a little more intensely mr
thompson and you and i discussedit has beentakenyou havenoproblemsmany indignities that we have is the shawnee ina difficult situationand so after a day and a half of
testimony the former acting head of the fbi l patrick gray concluded his appearance beforethe committee tomorrow gray's former boss richard kleindienst who testifiedfindings to succeeded john mitchell as attorney general resigned in april saying he felt he could not beeffective any longer because of his close connections with several of the central characters inwatergate l patrick gray a lot to say today about thefbi's investigation of watergate and also about the attempts by some to involvebeyond the chief investigator in the cover up of the watergate and sold its ramificationswith jack murphy of the georgetown university law center near a watchman is with us now as is davidwise author of the new book the politics of wine first hugh jackman in youropinion how does patrick gray's testimony fit into the total picture of what we now knowabout the alleged white house cover of watergate a very general jim i i don'tthink that anything has to grate testified to provide the basis for a final determinations onthe key issues of water ice water and land there's nothing that definitive on on the
basic issues but i think we could say that what was degraded have to tellus so was generally damaging or harmful to the presidency and the justicedepartment and indeed to the fbi you know he protested the country with respect to thatorganization they point to a couple of things which i found troubles with respect to the presidency forexample as we anticipate there were questions today notably from senator thomas dissented in a waywith respect to that phone conversation on july six nineteen seventy two with winston read thepresent the question came up either one of them anyway why didn't the president ask you who wouldwhat you had in mind on himself who was going to mourn him that was just that i think areeffectively it remains very serious question has said that if he had been asked by the personhe would have given the names tina martin that's true i would just import which i think thatmy colleague eric a negative affect the reason never nick itself or why wasn't on june twentiethmost today was lawyer william without serious question taking on files from the
american and an eight days later on july the sixties prepared to attack them with a pleasant verycurious a contradiction there sullivan's about the president though whichare worrisome the decision apparently on april twenty six that a meeting attended by climbingsays there's your findings of the petersen saysattorney general allen's gray at which thatis permanent files phone call was made to the president present despite thisinformation conveyed the message that the great acting director of the fbi found thatamazing action by the president so i would point out thatmuch of the wider as the president said on aprilthirtieth in his speech to the country have personally taken over control of the investigation because of women on march twentyfirst of this year i personally ordered all the people entrusted with the investigation to report to himpersonally mr grech there was a response to this that for march twenty first thought hewas never contacted by the presidency with respect to this investigation the justice
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