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asbelland another thousand just that the uk jetand given the day the treasury in the jetthe voters said thathe did that it was leaving to check back and go sometime tonighton may twenty fivethose transactionswetreated that has cash on hand on april seventh and recorded itin the report of the media committee to re elect the presidenteighty thousand dollars and that
wasn't enoughthe family had complied with only requirement wellas to the ending and reporting that money without a familysubsequentlypossible violation of the law infailing to report that twenty five thousand dollars but the department ofjustice in the letters a month later concluded that therewas no violation of law in an intimate transactionit wasthere've been seventeen shortly after that did youhave any discussions with mr john mitchell are in what the white house concerningany of these checks are we immediately follow
so the conversation with jon mitchell theconversation with federal and the subsequent itwas the morning of the twenty thirteen tosix days after the watergate affairwith you know oldervoters were to hiscontribution and it upireallyam in theregion we'vegot in washington on
that thing that that within a roomwith martin and the actual transaction datait was neededhad anything to do with thechecks that check with a mexican checks and dream about or bank accountsthat could only have gotten their through the hands of ourgeneral counselin his custodyskip a lot of their approach on our partor secondgiving mr fred rue eighty thousand dollarsthere's a living
as early as april but when shecouldn't do it because he was waiting for lieutenant rosie the area's jackson's cousinhe showed about seventy one thousand dollars that's jon hammand explore some concern about itbecause you're going on vacation anda under the tense situation with building upeven monolithic in his custody wediscuss the agenda including the phones were of the naturewhich showed that not classify them as friends of the current committeesbut there areothers and the
little about that than it wasunderstood within the committee that robert martin had been brought towashington to work on the legal mattersthat were right at the time and i went to him but that'shis advice factory and the description of the moneyways to get the money out of the office and a lot of the campaignand he suggested that i go to the front row of the ruinsthat the right hand man of the financial system to mitchell isthe campaign director and that advicei gave them and i happily moneyto the loo and sharon lehner is after the moneyto a neglected to say that was concernedabout having that much money in his custody i agreed to the right with
them so that only be about thirty thousand dollars a huge arsenal and ididn't put in my destiny i gave minewho are probably at the first opportunity chairman on a vacation toremember for about ten days and get his moneywho grew up on his retiresomewhere uncertainty as the way that money passed through my audienceand that he takesbefore you gomany of his forty thousanddollars a nineteen and money andi do that no the specific thing that happenedsubsequently i was the er sevenletters
did you receive ittwenty nine youcan do things inwashington is that although there's anearly scene he wrote it actually go therewellwe didn't checkand you
i don'tknowbut i didnt have tohave money thatseventy five thousand dollars asi think of itnow i understand did you not ask himwhy does want to listen towhat they say is that this is anask to take care of an eyeyou have to cut it must come back then disappeared wasdisorganization campaign organization there was a man in
no yet been mine as well deputy in thenineteen sixty eight campaignhe subsequently had thathumans itwasan illegalimmigrant would youconsider your superiorswell i don't know that i have that means the barriers that was anexaggeration a finance committee was separate from the campaign committeeagain
the superiorand i would've beeninfluenced by requests them was alot of time to time that i leavethat as a very innocent question doyou think most fans it you have ameeting on june twenty four after that waycan witness mr john mitchell to findout what had happenedmr mitchell
i asked him what happened in that meeting youknow i don't recall that i have done that let uncertainty about itand i had no recollection of specificallytalking about that said there was a week after theyear that there were others involved andwe had a meeting of that nature at about that time ifbecausewhen we were done moray stand will still be withus public television's unedited coverage of the watergate hearings continues after thisoffer station identification on a bridge to coverage of these hearings isprovided as a public service by the member stations of pbs a public broadcastingservicethe
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presidential campaign activities you again correspondent jim lehreri don't go to bed yet because smith's for that testimony lauriestands will be questioned about decisions by that famous budget committee and the daysof the mainstream end in almost three men and g gordon liddybut the committeethe finance committeefinance committee remembers itit's pass but you do
it anywayfinance committeethough i was important and the mitchellcommission and thatwe communicated asyoudoyouneed itactually i don't
and in the eightiesandi'm michelenorrissales
nice nicedid youknowi thinkyou'rewelcomewe don't knowyou're going to be particularly
catchy and retentionfinance committeespecificallyand separatelyrealizing thatthere's a division in the usbecause the occasional use of play asopposed to thank youthe morning
andto younice workand becauseof itforveterans toan individual quarterof the budget committee ever take under consideration the allocation of fundsthe expanded intelligencegathering operation
and his version of intelligence gathering in the budget committeei meanan intelligence gathering operation on their waylike you work herein the way confirmation hearings havebefore me and spirit of forty threeit ishesays that you edited for time by the fbi and up and then on the lastdebate which would have been july twenty eight used
it to this effect andhe says thishe was a spyand thatwould have to be made availablei wasat this annual conventionit was
and yetiknowthat isn't even mentionedandavailablethe question naturally arises thatas chairman of the finance committee is itreasonable to you did not becomeaware of expenditures of such large sums of money
and the sounds again withoutconsideration of the budget committeewell yeahthe companymr bjand it was true
the regions that have been covered by mr anderson it is adollar and mexican checks and more remained away from the uscommander is cynically in your search for contributionsseek donationsof perspectivemm hmmi mean nomoney
oh yeahandso the kneesmanytracks with the money in contributions another formthat we get thecash during thecampaignand you becamechairman of the finance committee did you have some contact with his ownrecord on that is an indian transition that isthe turnover view of the violent jihad on an interest even accounting for this
yesi thinkin nineteen sixty ninegeneit wasin the nineteen seventiesand we have an understanding that he would turnin his possessionlowenstein president
there the finance committeemeeting with her comebacknarrative if every thirty eight and receiving from him personallysome accounting of the funds he had on himthank youi thinklike the mark for
the the resume tomorrowthepark stands before you received any other religious or civilsimple it's now threeat this point during thetestimony of it really spans the committee took a break for a roll call vote on the senate floora multiple delivery going out to public television's coverage of the watergatehearings continues after station identificationon a bridge to coverage of these hearings is provided as a public service of the
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unlike continues its coverage ofhearings by the senate select committee on presidential campaign activities european
correspondent robert mcneil we're going back now for the final section of today'shearings and new mexico senator joseph montoya is questioningmarie spends the campaign finance director in these final hours fans will explainwhere he got seventy five thousand dollars that went to herbert comebacklawit'sbeen thepushbackthat just ended marked for theoccasion and are only for that
an unlikely to revisit again it will take a matter ofsuch time you return for testimony before the committeewhen asked a few more questionsabout going that he's something of a jobas counsel for the finance committee the attackers were you aware ofany conflict that he had been having with votersany of these serviceswisconsinyou is
not devoting full time to his responsibilities is legal counselfor the finance committee well not that i heard yesterday wasone of those who attended the daily step meetings and his attendance was quiteregular asummit in washington today arenot particularly unusualevery communitymission statementcommittees in washington but each of the fifty ones state is clear thatresponsibility and the regular reports on what was happening in which no
one was involved with what was in that i thought wellresponsibilitythis is something thatthey said i picked up quite casuallythe recall lead in a quite surethat you have judged that that was notspecifically within the scope of responsibilities is legal counsel for the finance committeeapparently when thefinance committee from the campaign committeeand he wasgoing to dothings they'll look at every
campaign committee i don't think i was aware that at the timeof the world one of the least germinationwhere you consulted by mr martin yesit willanswer their questionsmr loyn reportsat that point were you aware of any facts which indicated involvementby mr liddy in the watergate in the leadif you have a
conversation with his family i don'trecall ever discuss things a great name of anyone until i read in the newspapers for a monthago a millenniumstage during theawareness part of an effort on the part of mrmcgregor to induce mr stallone tofalsify testimonyi think it was the latterthe communityyou're driving
did you make any mentioned to him of anyoptions he would have its at fantasy had to make a choiceas such fantasy that you would be required to testify duringrehearsals nowit doesn't apply to other lowwhile you're going throughdo you recall anydiscussion within concerning a different use of that manno i don't recall any discussion ofjust todo you any time a scene frommr parkinson for mr ryan and their capacity
says attorneys for the committee to reelect president and analysts inthe finance committee very of a president if you don't think i am sick fromthem and the status of their report of their workare at an explanation of the fact that they had togofor any occasionjuvenilemy question to youthe grand jury testimonyit's
bit's bigthere's just an issue going back to pittsburghyou indicated at me that the totalcash on hand a one point fivemillion dollars is that correctsingingsevenand now
nineteen sixty eightthe emoticon was for thenineteen sixty election to the extent of how much of that wasin cash about two hundred and thirty three thousand dollarsand they are they're amountor balances economy thousand was co mingled with thenineteen seventy two electionyes sixteenyearsnineteen sixty eight
and after a policeevidence but when it came to the committeethroughwell as ten thousand dollarsstrollers in mississippicame to the committee as theleadand that i was not trueitreally was
you're welcomethere was a reason to three thousand dollarsfrom two men and allthat's greatgood morningi don't remember
there wasno moneyi'm thirty thousand dollarsso it's anordeal i was not aware ofthat's right there were some
otherpeople whose names werereported just so that there's no distinctiondid you receive many contributions over in about ten thousand dollars incash so that they can take anotherthat was a goalformer govwe're easy
i don't knowpossiblyvery violent crime provision of jayleno's going to betwenty thousand we arei would say thatperhaps five estimate before thatwere in the house for thebalance oframadan and fifty thousand are recommending of juicyfb
allofcourse knewthis and he understands that has nothing to do with thetrial and we are going to understand whereyou arenowlet us go into the u do thedispersants circumstances have made you mentioned that beforeapril seventh that you authorized they
are tacitly approving a disbursement of three hundred and fifty thousand dollarsi had a jobbig emphasis on contact youabout this division before he distributedwhatabout yoursconway twittyi don't
nowyou know you come back there was a manvery high influence in the white house you know as ayou know that he had a good line of communication with them those inthe upper echelon and now when you mentionedthat this request is coming from very anti authority out what i knowwhat we go for you know minus people that person might bei don't knowwho was it
you raise the moneysoon that basisidon't know thesector eight weeks ago theyused to come back to you that this was not going to be used for the campaignsays that major youknow not in the relationship with the white housesome money during the nineteen
sixty campaignitwas importantyour understanding ismaking his money will be used to pay for politicalpurposes but the moneywasandresources thirty fivethousand came from contributions made by four nationalsurvey research evolves as well
forty five thousand dollars of thatwas money that i had received from himjust about the time it camethroughbecause ofmitt romney fifty thousanddollars youknowand so many timesi don't know
there wasno money tohim that was his own money that you're getting backi think it isthe party in the white housewell i wasn'ton it happened there was a lot of money like put myhands on you know in therest of thestate and that's kind of a very powerful effect
on the same day the filipinoanadequate was about who wasn'tthere areno de la la la laat the wheelthe piecebeingsbeing thepittsburgh
thank you and reallyit's been in thepaper the same it'sbleakseventyyears ago
today and what about the other friends and with the otherfilipino friends and they were two of his associates and design companyengender namedmr russo says abbassenior at usc was a sealso yeahoh yeahthere was a considerable doubt as to whether we couldreceive contributions from foreign nationals back in thenineteen sixties
i'm renee montagnein nineteen seventynineas well another reason sowell as the fact that the contingent of one of thegerman immigrants that i got a banana council shortlyaftergood morningthis is oceans
ithink soas his agentyou finally get the money fromthis question did then was just long makereports to you about money is that he would disperseit isoccasionally a
countrymaryjane that isprecisely thepointthere was one innineteen seventyeightso in that sense
col diemerwell did you know having his first monthsand made to anyone in marylandyes i wasgood morningno relation the campaignfinancing for his campaignfiftythousand dollars in returnin the
meleebefore thattheseare greatlise annei gave him the money with the understanding that it would be areturn was overit was returned to the committee in july that is as thoughyou everywhere or are not your curiosity
around my request for the live sound which will be newspapers andsocialyeahyeah i wasn't really an onlinecontributions and that because i wanted toworkso in that waytomorrowmorning the team and playfor that was the nature of my own vision
and their materials why would you can use an economy isabout dispersants than if you're justi don't understand what happened where you attended but you but at meetings of thebudget committee determined how the money would be spent and this didnot deal with contributionsand did you discuss these budget meetings thebig expenditures that they know about itto certain individuals such as <unk>expendituresonly things really
i don't knowwhat this man is going to beused for the money going to be prisonerswe discuss add theauthority to make payments but i really didn't know what it wasabout i mean i didn't know what it was about wasvery responsible you make any reports about the stateof the finances and they're also the stateof his first months to anyone in the white house while you werefinance committee's chair imade no reports of any kind on the majorluke well
i'm going to several conferenceson the subjectin this campaign irememberwhich were incompletethey were spending moneyi'm feeling offrustration buti as
presidentsignificant consequencesthat was itwith his backto the activities of the white housewhenyou have an ad that the expenditures were being made for activities which wereemanating from the white house i was there wererepublican national finance committee
was reversing the white house very substantial amounts of money eachmonth for marriage which were believed to bepolitical mailings and things like thatthe president became the official candidate of the partyi was aware of was a milestone considerablygreater detail because they're also became chairman republican national finance committeeyeah you'repaying a substantial amount of money former white house or dwellingexpenses the people in the white house and for the president's political traveland i was this money this verse to the white house for these purposesin cash or by check soso i do i understand that the
first one which you are awarewhicheventually went to the white house and seventy five thousanddollars to respond back directly by the forty five thousand new safe and thirtythousand dollars from the contribution may beknown nationally than eighty nine thousand dollars from this new rulestonesso there's a conflict there to slow therecord number of casesis that he's at one thousand two hundred and thirty nine thousand oranother case is that that's correct and thoughthe army attacked his first months at the european went to the white houseover well with the three hundred and fifty thousand when
the seventy fivewithand at thirty nine thousand in thatwe turn now to do aboutonline and the number twenty eighttwentytwenty saying that the three hundred and fifty thousandwhich had interned at the depletedby twenty two thousand dollarsit was crippling
three hundred dollarsand as a writer about that time and begandiscussions about whether or not the three hundred and fifty thousand dollars might begiven to the united statestwentydollars so igave him twenty two thousand dollarson nov twenty he sent going wrong at the white houseor to the office but they get up nowthe other seventeen thousand that i have astatement and that part i getthank
youthose transactionswe rememberi think that information from the transcript of the interview whichindicates some of eighty nine thousand dollars for the must have been the thirdwrestler for the interview which we have a recordindicates at nine thousand dollarsnow let's go back to the cashier's check that mrgoldberg got in miami and develop washington
thatis right twenty fivethousand dollars was that in the nameless barberyes a line orindoors as it doeswellwell for those of you whose appetite for all this is as insatiable
as ours former commerce secretary stands returns to the stand tomorrow and committeemembers were questioned him further about his ignorance of all the money he raised to spendprobably also be some further comment on stones recollection that he complained to the whitehouse about the costs of the campaign whatever his objections he managedto keep this work committed a re electedpresident still doesn't spend all the money that he raised his testimony leads logicallyto the next witness deputy campaign director jon stewart regret itstands today recalled that the campaign director john mitchell knew nothing about largeamounts of cash given that gordon liddy but that mcgregor did not an unreasonablehis approval would allow the transfer of the money to let it was made it very clear that he won't talkabout the situation at all then we'll talk to a point and the committee has beenvery precise about respecting his request that he not be asked about the best showcasewhere he is currently under indictment despite that limitation committee staffers feel that
things have gone very well so far this afternoon after a german nprcorrespondent peter kay talk with deputy counsel represents them about the limits on questioningstands and whether they seriously inhibit the committee's work if you'rein your testimony in effectusing restraints all that now is our talk withrestraint is the greatest key to successfully combat arthurlaffer great delusion case with autism they had to be restrained because what you're dealing with hereis maybe a row it is producing the judicial system whichis one of the suburbs of the questions on the governmentyou said when we talked to earlier one time that oneof these witnesses have been pre interviewed extensively by the committee staff and that
if i remember correctly there are very few surprises with any surprises in this twostanzas testimony or lack of testimony or lack of memory todayat the comment on that for those whose perhaps there weresome surprises perhaps when something's about seventy of an interview thatwe will reserve that for further corroborationof the witnesses of that could have been now i've seen this memo thati used was a surprise it's it's physicalpresence was a surprise when ido you plan to construct a quote mirror and we're going to talk to the attorney general withother plans to pursue this memo with other reporter to witnesses welli'm sure that we make our investigative leads whetherit coming in anonymously and so
everything including anything in yearsone final question now and i suppose you get another crackwas just ends tomorrow but he was billed as the first of the really big names i thinkmost people feel he acquitted himself pretty well today in his testimonyhow do you feel to this questioning whether he's satisfied with that he disappointed that certain relevantsenatorsi've expressed know this was a long and so there'salways been hot so here's will achieve and of a conditionaniston did surprise a lot of people that day including stands byreferring to immigrant or mammal that told of a million dollars political fund stands head ascommerce secretary spent probably deny that fun even exist at amherstand then surprise a lot of people in the audience are not pursuing the matter further but
as you train was your beer kerry and forgotten about it many predicted that may further questioning aboutit more it stands fans are sometimes magruder the assistantcampaign director is expected to be on the witness stand tomorrow afternoon he could resolvesome of the questions and contradictions that race so far especially the question ofwhy he told campaign treasury hugh sloan it was alright to pay large sums of moneyto gordon liddy recorded that it's when a lot of things or he could nail him a causeautism done that he was following orders without thinking about why certain movies were neededallen barra of washington author of the book government ondestination and bill greenwald associate dean of your senators who lost who are with us nowand that was going on like to begin by coming back to the point that we've raised bymr stands attorney at the beginning as to whether or notthese proceedings with prejudice trial
mr stanza set thus far at leasthas anything come up do you think that with prejudice a jury against in america anda potential juror in the southern district of new yorkpreston my opinion defined as they sound with a bristlyyou have to give me another witness the credibility as precise newsi think it probably if anybody has examined onboard here to say thatthe same the proceedings and his testimony you probably heard something in hisfavor when you think about or you know i i hopeheartily that today's proceedings will of last at long last laid torest the anxieties of those people suppose that thata congressional investigating committee automatically makes impossible afair trial for a witness before the committeethat seems to me to be out by no means the case it was the stands
to himself some good today he also did the committees of good because hewas this case shed some light on matters that are of importance to thecommittee and no relevance to the trial which could take place inseptember in any case it seems to me that the argumentthat his lawyer made for the committee against requiring histestimony was an argument that ought to be made to the court inseptember if at that time they really believe but the committee hearinghas in some way prejudice does write so far at least of the committee showedgreat respect for him for his rights as a defendant in for his rights anddignity as a human being it has this committee anenormously important function to his jaw it was to setthe countervailing top of the legislative branch of the government in
determining how well and how faithfully the executive french hashas charged the laws that's a function that should not likely beshould not likely be cast aside so far far too important tobe killers the event of course a screen all this this is the first time we'veseen it you know there's this legal be on the major legal point rate butas we go down the road of the testimony that course the completion of lester spence testimonytomorrow later crop possibly imagine greater restricting it on down thewire divorce right but also the rights of the individualsas the defendants are potential opponents i mean this is also avery crucial find that somebody an apple watch throughout this is that not correctyou'd have to say the invocation of the fifth amendment privilege and these proceedings which we'vemade a boy there is a fantastic amount of stuffi'm totally in
there's one of those moments willthe committeequestioners vicepresident agnew and he lambasted the proceedings late yesterdaythe paper's concepts of dueprocess is notice of what you're dealing with to counselservices mia love the fact that any time a trim of the victims youdo feel a truthful answer was an agreement both of them i am andbecause of that reasonofficially firmly believe thatthere's not too much of a deep analytical nature that cries out to be dropped on
you at this late hour just a couple points and mingle on tibet first a fewwords should be said though about herbert or beyond some partisan who committedperjury senator obama and senator baker using quotations in very warmwords respectively send him on his way with thanks for finally telling all withoutasking for immunity from prosecution and porter spoke of the tone of finding abasic weakness in his character it was very dramatic and personal andvery sad and then came war ii stance sharing and talking with theself assurance of a man having been at the top levels of power in this nation for avery long time is obviously comfortable in the company of both senators andpresidents on the other hand the law by even the mention of the president'sname that was one of the reasons he said even get what he did it was one of the flawsin its character stands confessed to no flaws myweaknesses no wrongdoing and the contrast in the two men are reporter and
maurice dams was striking to me at least i found myself wondering what aquotation from shakespeare or the bible with senator evan used tosend war ii stands on his way to more well with all sayand until tomorrow night i'm jim lehrer or peter kay and robert macneilthank you and goodnight from washington you've been watchinggavel to gavel videotape coverage of hearings by the senate select committee on presidential campaignactivities as coverage is made possible by grants for special events coveragefrom the corporation for public broadcasting and the ford foundation and has been a productionof unpacked and a vision of a greater washington educational telecommunicationsassociation againyou life ourloan wecan
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