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thepainit isi am in the senate of the united states aresolution to establish a select committee of the senate to conduct an investigation insteadof the extended family which illegal improper or unethical activities wereengaged in by any person acting individually or in combination with others in thepresidential election of nineteen seventy two or any campaign canvas are otheractivity related to thewtohe's a senior correspondentanother round of watergate hearings ended today were fresh and
moving insights into the apparent motivation of man prepared to disregard the lawbecause of the depth of their loyalty to president nixon you'll see tonight a very unusualspectacle of man admitting that he voluntarily committed perjury and act for which he canstill be invited to cover up the connection between watergate and the nixon reelectioncampaign the witness was her reporter scheduling director of the reelection committee will pay downsome of the funds used by g gordon liddy this testimony raised again one of themain underlying themes of this investigation how the morality of electioncampaigns and be determined the fallout of watergate continues to range far from thesenate caucus room at the white house today clarence kelley she even the kansas city policedepartment was nominated at the fbi the previous white house choice l patrickgray was forced to quit in april because of his handling of the watergate probe kellyhimself was a former fbi agent fbi will continue to be led by williamruckelshaus into kelly's the bureau has been without permanent leadership since
j edgar hoover died in may nineteen seventy two and in the courts today thedeep recession or former white house chief of staff h r haldeman was made public and itheld some surprises alterman says former white house counsel john dean wasnever asked formally to investigate white house staff involvement in the watergate break inand never submitted a report on the topic and that set all the lending didn't talkdirectly about the situation with president nixon until nineteen seventy threethis confirms beings recollection that he was flabbergasted when thepresident announced last august that she didn't had investigated the situation and reported tohim white house aides alderman alsoadmitted that he had controlled a three hundred and fifty thousand dollar fund that was used tofinance poland during the campaign that the position fire was part of thedemocratic suit against the committee to re elect the president is more than two hundred pages long
and it will probably be another day at least before it's fully digest it as you'llsee jeb stuart magruder as the new squarely and permanently and the very hotx ray lives of the senate watergate committee and mcgruder and sell those yet to be heardfrom but that day hugh sloan gibson final exit is former associate at thecommittee to re elect the president and then another former campaign official our reporter addedeven more to the growing magruder file sunset yesterday and repeatedtoday at magruder spend a lot of authorities about the amount of money given the g gordon liddyand sloan reappeared after reporters there was some not only the ending wasdifferent order said magruder asked him to tell a false door or at the fbi the grandjury in a truck or for along with a suggestion from the greater number two campaignwas under john mitchell and a man order trustwould you know he made a statement
when i came indecemberyou tell the fbi what was heregretted it and says that they doappear at a federal law federal grand jury and so you askabout the senate candidate and what'd you tell themand were you a witness at the trial and sevendefendants who died in the watergate days and the beauty of this and accountslater reporter goes up to discuss the mental setpersuaded him to go along with this scheme but his admission of perjury before anational audience today was certainly one of the most dramatic moments of the hearing so far
david austin professor of law at georgetown university law school wants thehearings with us today david was especially would you advise people to look for this evening in thetestimony robin sloan is nothing short of a great witnesshe is confident and honesty and integrity andcandor just flow from him and i mention that because when i was trying cases activelypeople would sometimes say they were going to be prospective witnesses how should iact in front of the jury why not sure i can answer that what was flown becauseif anyone's ever going to testify tuesday a good example of what to doparticularly when he is pinned down is to exact words that arespoken in conversations that took place a long time ago he is very frank and candidsay he's not sure of the exact words contrast from porterwho when he testifies people here that he has an amazing memory and it would appear that
he can remember the exact words that were spoken incidentally a song wouldbe a much harder witness to cross examine and you might think of the kinds of questions you would want toask him it would be very hard as specific questions too because hismemories the memory honest man who cannot i cannot remember theexact details and finally toward the end when mr porter's testify againi'm afraid that people will once again here the legal profession come in for somecriticism into one attorney who partly want to sleep while his client wasconsulting with us and we'll talk about that more of the year at the end of the oftonight's reply all sold at the conclusion than i will have an interview that he played itat the conclusion of the session today the senator and a way of the white as youfind you're hearing tonight you might keep in mind that today's most dramatic testimonyand the shop is questioning or senator baker's it happened came in the latter part of the eveninghere is an hour by our guide to the hearings in the first hour former
campaign treasurer hugh sloan this question about possible tax dodges used in raisingfunds and they're further questioning he says he remains loyal to the president despite policydifferences in the campaign when nothing came of his resignation from the reelection committeesloan says he felt i had essentially lost on the cover up issue and ournumber two's long testifies that he got no guidance on what to tell the fbi eitherfrom john mitchell was deputy robert martin yesterday singled outmagruder for criticism because magruder was the only one who asked him to do it being illegalin the fair got the reporter tells the committee that he did make a false statement thefbi grand jury and before the jury trying to watergate conspirators portersays he agreed to backup recruiters incorrect version of where the money went instead oftelling how much went to gordon liddy egregious a one hundred thousand dollars went to pay forprotecting surrogates who campaigned on that in the final hour borderadmits that on instructions from a few pranksters or as democratic
senator baker borders says he was away documents hissecretary copy was no documents so that istonight's agenda as committee chairman sam ervin committeethe new york timeseducating themand mrleast and some out of yourwindow allof these invocations of the
carthis reporti don't know whyand he suggested that maybe one of papers receivedthat rio will obscureplace on the most likable security alsoi'm happy to report that uninvestigation made of the small indicates that these papersso that any releases may have been made to the president becausethis might make you would not did not come from this committeeis a possibility one to understand and to be kept skill
that no one would have access to them except prosecutemembers of this committee and i believe a lot of this commission wouldmake in an open respectful of papersreporter you're welcomelet nation that they donot come from this committee all copies of all thecopper possible this committee about a week itwas do itwhen there wasnosecurity that's reallyhis decision
some of her a banana an animation of thatsuggestion but that's really provided security ofdocuments that were classified at a very high leveli'm also member of the joint committee on atomic energy jointcommittee on atomic energy as the high security the studiofacilities the committee permitted usthen to provide four separate story of those documents in a separate safeunder the direction of security officer of the joint committee on atomicenergy insecurity secure area protected twenty fourhours a day by guards protecting that automaticprotection systems protect about other devices that i believe actuallyguarantee that there would not be intrusion into that area noone has seen those documents except the members of this committee plus the
chief counsel them an arctic council no one has taken those documents outof secure areas those documents are still in a securemanner some credibility joint committee on atomic energy censussince its instigation since its beginning has never get security leakand i'm sure there's no exceptiontestimony yesterdaysince nineteen sixty five
thereis there iscommitteemembers of aconnection it was mr john mitchellmr leno and vice chairmanof the project and mr fred now also mrrobb oval participated in those meetings and the formalkeeping the notes changes and so forth as we proceeded through budget reviews youhave to take that information recall related to revise it and provide workingpapers for a subsequent meeting would you love mecallers
it's reallyrolling out a tool which is the reason for the jointrepresentations actually of a lot of the members of the finance robertfinance committee meetingswith hitler what are thebest estimates might be of what we realistically felt we could raise interms of sons fourteen total effort we alsoresponsibility in providing adequate detail what did ferraro overhead for the financecommittee as one of the items considered in these meetingsessentially working withbut each of those divisions would
begin the process by any given test they want to accomplish and how muchthey thought it would fall the process continuesand thesettlement discussions with jenni along the linesindividualcitizenwe sayof setting up amonitoring function where we would report that the various divisions on in such amonthly basis as to how they were doing our forces they have fallenwithin their budgets and so it wasn't any discussion to discuss the purposes forwhich you know these funds will be usedadvertising budget
but the members of that parker would come and essentially and make a presentationand sale of our judgment is we should allocate sixty percent of money for televisionten percent for radio and so forth but generallythese kind of dimension there would often be discussion of whether that is theproper out the allegation know how in termsof percentagesdiscussion fbnever hearanybody the genesis thebest in activitiesthose are i never was that the practice of your budget committee whojust spends three hundred fifty thousand dollars or a million point seven million dollarsmost of it
as i think it's either of these funds and the accordionthat was set up to disperse them was never a subject of any budget committeemeeting in which i sat i did not settlemanagers took place that it was to be spent on legalvoters absolutely never got suspiciousnot at the time was doing and certainly a falling in seventeen yearshuge officethe white house an internal revenue service ever get together to discuss follow the laws ofthe united states the tax laws of the united states could be it's goodor forexample avoiding payment of capital gains taxeswere discussions of nature quite the contextof iraq opinions on the subject of
capital gains liability were sort of various legal sourcesindependent as well as i believe that we're going to probably run council in the white houseearly stages since we did not have a full time counselor sortout with regard to other matters for instance the biggest taxliability dollars i believe our party as well as the democratic partywere urging overtly was really an attempt toreverse the decision to get some kind of a decision that would do away from thenecessity of these multiple committees which are real headache a nightmare for people ofvolcanic island to fundraisethat's rightsebastian securities
but you see most toxic securities this year we received alarge proportion to integrate the seventh period of aristide'sinformal spirit was a messengerwas in all thisto be accepted into a campaignsecurity says marzano certainpresidential candidatethe republican nationalcommittee it would be contributions in the form of securities was amongthe farms received two reasonsi will be a yes and when i would
i would say probably another they dotwenty million dollars of that so that i'm notfamiliar with the receipts are going to be a lawyer witha twenty million dollars raised in march of seventy oneup to the april seventh period i would say a third of that figure probablywould've been in securities was this one was ten years agoand the other is now fifty and you get at thefifty and isuppose he's under thewealthy taxexpertessentially said that in turning the securities over inother words not passionate here is that the individual acts of securities
himself he obviously had a model but in making a giftin the form of securitiesthe legal opinion as to the status of thecommittee of which i understood their operating under and there were i believe there arelegal opinions in the files of the committees supporting this wasn't thecommittee essentially is like say a non profit organization that sets is nota moneymaking businesses and the conclusion the campaign also last a centuryittooand in this report it listed several cast aspersionsalibi known as the cuff discussion whichline not just in the gao report jordan when he
was twoi did not recall that particular transaction with anumber of other words this has been a potential recruit on with the general accounting officefrom memory to try to reconstruct what in fact it's notlike your transaction and one or two others were brought to our attention to myattorney's attention to another gentleman's msriverstotally jurors of the president earlier version of mybest recollection of the situation that existed that led to that distributionwas that in india so
there'syou knowpoliticians but iunderstand that in return for this there was an understanding that when they had a majorundertaking such as the lead it was an active theater in this case that they wouldsave money back from was on a long basis to run their dinner andthis would be neighbors too has received i gather fromyesterday's testimonymr pollack yesa center that a listingof homes that it does not represent a listing of acommittee those funds were fallen or committee says with nearly an
internal control over funds that were kept in a physically secure place and there's ahalt in julie's piece cast aspersions or did yourecord there of all i listen to them on the same bus ticketand i think nightline and individuals and thedistributions had been a youknow sir i testified that iused to have which i had maintained for my own use in maintaining thesecurity response only would be clear understanding that thefinal report made from that will in turn it over to secretarystands would remain as a permanent record of those transactions yesthose are my
concern wasthey were out of its nearly a record of that and also a clarification andanytime that someone know one sector is denser for instance want tosay okay let's go out to catch on and i want to be able to substantiateimmediate that's all cash supposed to begin in other words it was a guaranteea written record of all transactions citizencommittee by nature to lose moneythis week's sessionyes sirsecurities writer
it wastoo riskywhich for some reasoni did not have information on the basis of which i could makeany report at the time i left the committee i have not made theeffort to get that information by quite frankly was too busy it was one of theitems that were four others three others but i pointed out to officials of the campaignat the time about or items that need to be resolved later had to be returnedbecause it's an indication that they don't wish to remain anonymous denied it notfor us we had to get the information first of fifty thousand dollar contribution to
protect individual and give tax liability would have to be distributed among a numberof committees we did not know the wishes of the donor in that regard i did not even know thename of the donor i had no way to deal with that the city was going in that photo ithappened and what moved you tofocus for different peopleany ideausually reporters to officialswho aren'tministerial approval
testimonythat was responsibleyouhaven't friends of suspicion that's moving use of thesefarms of as normalprocedures had been going on really a career i haveto say i've been indicated it just began operating procedure likei was too busy actors or didn't have time to pursuecuriosity you
knowandi don't mean thati'mresponsible you'resayingi did not know whether whether he received a job myinstructions on that distribution into mr cobb i understood fromconversations with compaq that he had had a conversation with nussbaum all aboutthe most common know a surrogate
momwho knowsi think of a ticketseller of these reforms authorized by an iranian man who i work withher kids are five or six years there of man i'd have great trust andi had no reason to be suspicious of the motivation for manythis is byfbi youtoo
you areand the migrant and stating theunity of meeting lastwell my firstquestion would be why now why thatone yes sir i did asurvey the reason i request and requests to meet ithink that the period of time in question is important onlycriminal trial i think so many major industries alreadycome out but generally it was in a low period where my
judgment the decisions had been made to essentiallythe matter had been done away with it it starts with the conviction of asudden i was a point in time where i was activelyseeking private employment department hadessentially asked me to undertake this task the continuingon all of the political leadership in the campaignin opposition to the views i know the fact that they're presumably be sayingthat were the source of any information i think it wasparticularly interesting thatthere was not an active effort on the part of the administration because of misinformationabout the reasons i don't want what i had done that that would be activeefforts to workit
was a bigissue i wantedtodo i seebecause we believe in what he's doing and i want to know that i feelthat i did not leave the team as far as i'm concerned the team left meand i said i cannot understand the continuing support ofindividuals who in my judgment is pretty obvious aren't often the situationi meanwas essentially to the possibility of employment in theus decision
to reproduce tree a discussion onhis part a statement that the policy of the administration wasthat no individual who had become quote a watergate figures are commonly mentioned inthe newspapers would be placed into my government office until the issue istotally rizzo i said i totally understand that all said i couldn't agree with you moreand he said i think interns here at everything as it will your decisions the righttime to go out in the private sector he won a key proving however if at a later date whenthis matters to resolving you wish to be considered for igenerallyi think this was the the town manager of this discussionare thatthat meetinghave anything that meeting have anything to do
with your being re hired by the committee to reelect president toconsult an elder i made that decision the priorthat this would be probably about the ruling that dissolvesappointed a committee an end in januarysalinasin january duringthe finance committee before the government isunderstood to essentially then there's also that turned out notto be the case retired musicand song or how to count the rehiring is consulting finance committee came aboutafter my resignation i would guess it is today andsecretary stanton sought me out seeking my return to the campaign
and that was i'm not sure it would've theni'm just not sure at some point during this five moderate follow myresignation of the law i know it was an interviewwith you he asked me again the size it was in theterms of you take an offensive a bum rap on this thing and i know it'sbeen difficult or if you're five months without gainful employmenti would like you to come back and helped mewrap up a campaign i consented because certainconditions which would have made it objectionable to me and why i wouldn't refuse such anoffer a prior to that time when that one idid not feel if i have this kind of an opportunity at this particular point in timewith no prep has been attached to that association
theconditions that no longer existed as far as i was concerned was that the campaignwas over there was no liability spinoffeffect on the president's chance for reelection by having someone who had been namedother people in theleadership we're essentially the people or that had my argumentworked on the committee for the reelection of the president were no longer there had been ashazardous than edited by resignation by employment in the private sectorthe inaugural committee also none of the assignments iwould have that was understood to have anything to do and in the capacity of an official it wouldbe just purely personal working relationship with more expansive thanassisting him in an article some civil litigation that would be for themjust anywhere yes there might be
considered a judgment that you're at that timethat it should be clear that i already made mytestimony to the grand jury while the criminal trial not come up one of theimportant considerations that i took into account except in such a position would bethat there could be no cost for misunderstanding in terms of having not having any effect on asubsequent testimony out here andno other individuals involvedin so far as her reasons for her or otherperson's soulone listenerhe didresign in the first place in frequent
contact with secretary stands i suspected they had conversations the fact that mypersonal situation is resolved what aboutthe slave so i would say that they considered judgment torejoin the finance committee is that i did not and do notbelieve that secretary stanton and anyway it was in aweindividuallyit isfor those individualsin the show rather
says her after i made my decision was the exception to the phone calls we referredto hear that it was pretty much a hands off situationartist did not see any the people you knew were notall that different actors ornot so wellclimate changeso we'reall sinners century man i did notbelieve the white house an involvement by the known facts that point i did not believethat the finance committee had a bottle i disagree with thatalong the lines of the financecommittee because of the very obvious potential for misunderstanding in terms offinancial transactions presumably one of these individuals that the finance
committee early on chad they separate statement and attempted toseparate itself away from the political committee in terms of its own contest in the financialtransactions would be judged purely in terms of what they were i had no knowledgebut secretary stands knew what these funds were four iaccepted authorization of others as welli guess these two areas and my mind when i'mconnected i think have been an error in judgment and not addressing a political problem for someresolution there itisthat's your question it's
difficult to determine you know those individualsthat because people were talking about oh but you didn'tknow that you were one of the few people were insisting on telling the truth and youwouldn't get in it'sdisappeared and the resolution of the matter had been made onthe basis of what i've said that it's basically a very limited knowledge on when the fire but from afactual basis all i could ever say is it a certain individual certain morning anindication of the river it was a case of yes i knew i'd been approached to do that but in terms oftestimony where he gives a contrary question i can survey anactor time fully understand it the cross the position unless they add additionalinformation going on we cannot proceed with every of the sokol situation one that we're againstanother i thought that i really had to do nothing is going to come out and it was all
over the central whydo white chicken it'sbusiness you knowwhen you think about united airlines are what i think isn'tusually the same kind of a situation where it was the volunteers men at workwith her to an end years i had no i have notseen anything of them since the one time i'd seen over time i was about toleave town eventually a number of people the white house always interveningperiod after his oath was there any concernin your mind that there were those in thisbudget who seem to be ending up with
reading the jobwhile his lawyers know welland actually the whole of the meeting in his very definitivedefinition to me of administration policy with regard toindividuals who would not be appointed positions and in government i do not knowwhether he meant positions that actually require presidential camp writersi think it was only a few daysafter that after that meeting with while i'm in which i felt very good aboutbecause he indicated to me years there's no i realize the mistakes were made there's nothing being heldagainst you look but within a veryshort periodthat's your question no yes sir it was obvious to me that not only did they not address
the problem of people i think a very strong indication where barr iperhaps didn't understand the attempt to postpone the election but there was certainly no attemptin at that point to takedoesn'titi think it hasbeenyou get a residual so whatmatters will use printers with turnout on yesterday's that one is
receiving for like davidit would be understandable to the american peoplethat is a considerable period of timethe strong opinions which ahuge smile and wanted us to goour was aoh i was it was notthese mattersthat discussion is really inthe river
bettinaspecific allegation that individuals i think that it already beenaddressed in the judicial process and the point of mooddid you feel basicpurpose of the meeting and was like you want me tosupport of the administration in finding employment in thefuture i know certainly is looking into more than the other side of the coin and i want to be sure theywould not be active efforts to inhibit my own actsof fear a revolutioncongregationmr lee
maybewell it's a major reformthey located in thesame suite was i was in the gaelic is coming in at numberof dollars and so i would go get a burden on voters than oneoccasioni think thereis it's asign that the money for new ideasare on one occasion a gmtestimony won't mind thefact that the circumstances were that he must have called me andsaid i need whatever that the amount was
coming in on sunday or something is ain myfiles or japanese officersgood morningwas there any discussionwell doneand
in those rolesand i think it wasand so hughsloan has told the committee that despite his concerns about a cover up he did not believethe white house was involved songs version of events places jeb magruder at thecenter of efforts to maintain silence about the money that went to g gordon liddy andmoments long will go through a final round of questioning at this point we'd like tothank you again for your response to these broadcasts we consider it overwhelmingmore than seventy thousand letters ninety nine percent of them approving this kind of gavel togavel coverage most of the comments indicate that people appreciate the opportunityto see the hearings in full and often are working hours we've heard from a
cross section of dealers including an air force sergeant in maine student in puertorico and an advertising executive in chicago there are some of the opinions we sampledfrom norman wilson in dallas are going your presentation of the hearings will do more togenerate public participation in the political process than anything else the questionwhat price apathy is clearly being answered from sea of crosby and some ofthe coverage of the facts of why senate hearings is finally making my tvworth owning and from dallas texas western as aside leeper suggestionabout expanding this sort of thing to a different committee every week or two so we can helpfurther our understanding of the workings of government that might even shape up some of ourlegislators of course some of our letters have been critical of this type of coverage forexample says earl stanley of parkersburg west virginia thinks it's ridiculous addingwhat country besides america would want to publicize a scandal in the government while
his frantic effort of the news media just to inform the people about these men who fell flaton their faces or is it for other reasons why we're grateful toeveryone who has written and if he would still like to express an opinion weencourage you to do it to your local public television station each division decidesfor itself in our system whether to carry this kind of programming they'd welcome your cards andletters remember they also depend on your financial support to stay on the airpublic television's coverage of the senate hearings will continue after this fall's stationidentification on a bridge to coverage of these hearings is provided as a publicservice of the member stations of pbs of public broadcasting servicethethe
pointterry and pikecontinues its coverage of hearings by the senate select committee on presidential campaign activities
here again correspondent robert mcneil as we return to thehearings former campaign treasurer hugh sloan is about to be questioned by senator josephmontoyamr lau testified yesterdaythat in iranian figures represented withrespect to reimbursement for different individualsmemoriesand reconciliation is that correctthissituation
you seethank youpeople are differentfifty thousand fifty thousand dollarsbondall this is mineto the best of your recollection after reconciliation
<unk> water usage of state visitors to him the soundof one hundred thousand dollars asnastywere you familiar with theactivities in terms of what i donow i havewhat information do you do in this committeereporter turned overforty five thousand dollars of those funds to mr libby whichproduced the aggregate figure that was used in the trial of the funds that were made availablethis money
was used for the campaign there was astory about a student named mr brill there's aconvoluted the last year of glee from this report illustrates do onthe record and this patrol forum for a notch or spiceright where whatever those activities were you wear any other extendedactivities besides those two instances in this particular categoryto lower your stated that a report on finances was given them asjust dance on one or two occasions did not in terms ofthe partiesas individuals if they told youohi mean you question some of his residents to the border and
at one time and a matter of just dance which are not yetsurrogate and there you also get this matter up with disabilities thatcorrect an air mr gooden told you inturn that day you were not to question the requests a job outthere to make a displacement as they were requested it was the correct answerand then did you fly on there any reporters do which weredoing this money and just as importantor moredo you provide any copies are many reports for the white house no iwasn't in any of the reportsout as i understand it and i think this happen not in termsof the beat that weput together as a reconciliation agreement seventh period by category for instance of
all the two hundred fifty thousand dollars my category one of ahundred thousand category two and so forth well you can write acategory one category to what they can get information that youreally years that's five but we're more definitionand thatup to include or securitiesi then the lion's den hits at these reports and reflected the disbursementsapril seventh two <unk> border and to the others followi'mrenee montagnewhich without quite categorically was made available the white houseor near the white house no one who received a
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