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nowmovesays and see was a sincereand believable walker coming from not very highest levels of the white houseand among the reasons why i believe thecommitment would be cut word that the white house officials with whom i was incontact or truly concerned concerned about the watergate burglarydeveloping into a major scandal affecting the president and thereforesuch a promise would not be given lightly i told him at the white house
officials with whom i was talking were complaining because they felt that thiswas the only one of the watergate burglary defendants who was refusing tocooperate at no time on this occasionon any other occasional i recall telling usto keep silentthe committee is taking a break for a floor vote on a pending banking bill what does johncaulfield will still be tested on the committee members return and that's continuingcoverage of the campaign activity series resumes up through this station identificationon a bridge to coverage of these hearings is provided as a public service by the member
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beencrazy and pike continues its coverageof hearings by the senate select committee on presidential campaign activities hereagain correspondent jim lehrer treasury department official johngarfield now continues reading as prepared statementhe'sbeen visibleactually that's one message that
a person's age and i told him that the whitehouse officials with whom i was talking what point were complainingbecause they felt that was the only oneof the watergate defendants was refusing to cooperatebut not an investigationto keep silence in agrand jury or any congressional committees hisresponse to my conversation with that he's the one of his immediate freedom and havefelt strongly that if the white house have any interest in helping him secure thatfreedom that they could do something about that through calls which she wassure had been intercepted i told him i would check on this matter again
and get back to him i was not attempting to exertpressure on them or by telling him of comments i was hearing from the whitehouse really i was attempting to let him know the kinds ofthings i was hearing from a spitting and signing the white house's attitude towardshim if that would be of any assistance toolater on sunday i telephoned must've been a report of mymeeting with mr mccourt i told him that my opinion mr mccourthad absolutely no interest in the author of executive clemencyi thomas tobin that this report was still adamant in his beliefthat the white house had the power to have the charges against him dismissedit would really pursue the wiretaps which he had mentionedthe city
said that i should tell him that there was a much likelihood that anything would be done about the wiretapssituation and in response to my comments about thecourt's refusal to consider executive clemency he said something likewell what the hell was you know anywayas the beans a native of optimism accord againand commiserate with him what he did not ask me to renew the author of executiveclemency i guess but the reason why he wanted me tosay mr mccourt again was simply to maintain a friendly relationship withhim in case there was a need for any further conversation with him for mei probably would've met with him again anywaysince i felt badly about his predicament and i consider him a good friendin any event on monday january fifteena color code to report that nothing seems to be happening in a part of the wiretap
situation it became quite angry over the telephone and reaffirmed hisbelief that the white house really wanted to help them they could do so byusing a method he had suggested and that he knewi wasn't going to be a government witness was going to perjure himselfi also mention getting together with him but he said he had no interest inseeing the less than something more to talk to him about itwas quite upset so i did not pursue the murder furtheron tuesday january sixteen bag and calls him anattempt to meet with him and he again was highly irritated about the white house'sfailure to do something about the wiretaps situation again mention asi said i would inquire further about the wiretaps and i might have something forhim get weaker sosubsequently i call them and arrange to meet with them again exact date of this
meeting being unsure my mind we've done that the outlook on thegeorge washington parkway he got into my car and we drove out theparkway pursuing across in the general direction of warrenton virginiai have no specific recollection i would saythat it was in iraq i would characterize thisconversation as a very friendly one in which a large portion of that timewas spent discussing their respective families how my job or the treasury department'sgoing and various other purely personal matters i give him myprivate telephone number of the treasury department ansel him and ifeel his wife never wants it wanted me to do anything for them they should feel freeto call so mccormick that he gave he and hiswife should decide to call me simply use the name watson and i would know whatwas frankly this was merely a device to save me from any
possible embarrassment i do not have aspecific recollection i believe yesterdayif he was really only one of the watergate defendants that the white house wasconcerned about i said that i thought it was but that i had no knowledge ofwhat relationship existed between the white house and yet the watergate defendantshe said that the cuban defendants were quite nervousand in his opinion might make a statement at any time and that i couldpass them along for that was worth thepainbut that was actually the white housedoing anything about the situation and i asked him what he thought he mightmake a statement he said that he had not decided that yet but that he had spoken to his
wife and family and that he felt free to make a statement whenever he thought the time was righti get asked if there was anything i could do for himhe said one thing that i could do was to see whether that money could be raised forhim pending an appeal in his case i said i would check intothis for the end of our conversation realizing that itdefinitely was going to make a statement on watergate burglary at a time of hischoosing and that such a statement would in all probability involved allegationsagainst people in the white house and other high administration officials i gave himwhat i consider to be a small piece of friendly advicei said was in effect jim i have worked with thesepeople and i know them to be as tough minded as you're not when you're makinga statement i would probably
do the same thing i later called mr bean andadvised him an estimate puts request to bill funding and he said words to theeffect that maybe we can handle up through allsometime later years of being called me and asked mebut the bill moyers it that so many problems and that maybe consideration couldbe given to paying premiums i later called a partof the point of this his reaction was a negotiatingwith the new attorney and maybe he can get it handled this is the lastconversation i had to date with james in courtalthough this is a lengthy statement i wish to make too far the pointthat not timon any conversations with mr mccourt when i
apply pressure or threaten him and that tends to make him accept the offerit is one of the passengerpigeonbut what was going on at both ends of this message transacting processi actively refrained from injecting myself into the process at eitherend i realize that the time of my first conversation in januarythat i was involved in questionable activity but i felt that it wasimportant for me to carry this message for the good of the president i hadpreviously testified before the grand jury announcement that on two other occasions withthe united states attorney's office as open on two occasions as wellwith senate investigators although i discuss the matter ofwhether any of my actions could be viewed as violations of the criminal lawwith my attorney and have been advised that the availability of privileges
and possible terms of securing immunity from prosecution atno time have i refuse to answer any questionand that's my plan thati have about that is more important that i be able to speak freely aboutmy involvement in actions here an answer about what otherprotection might be rightfully mine under my constitutional andexecutive producers i hope that when i have to sayhere today will assist the committee in its investigationsand if it is guilty of somewrongdoing i will still feelall the likelyareas smell or expandchairman has been called for the senate because they didn't
pay on the matter now and then went to vote before he leftthe committee suggested that we conclude you're prepared statement today on the condition thatyou and you're turning overturning in the morning edition of loss of thecommittee and step can receive the interrogations et ceteracommittee will stand in recess untilthat includes johncaulfield opening statement that history that begins with his birth and ends with his involvement intrying to convince james mccord to join the watergate team and go to jailquietly please other copies staple was filled with details there's no doubt that the committeewill have questions for him particularly over the precise instructions white housecounsel john dean gave him about approaching record caulfield returns to the witnessstand hot city tomorrow with each new day of hearings
no departments of the government that poll and a widening investigation the one thatappears to be found are in at this point and was the justice department the nomination ofelliot richardson as attorney general are still awaiting confirmation tonight at the federal court houseearlier today the reports of a prosecutor in the watergate case are also work might bestepping down to let the new special prosecutor rudy archibald cox takeoverone is tonight as a man of a certain us attorneys office working with a grand jury here inwashington delivering hall is now professor george town university lawschool no other problems that justice is as bad as they appear to be at thispoint after a member station there were nineteen sixty three attorneygenerals allen has been indicted no one hasresigned and one is having a heck of a time getting confirmed so in that short space of fouryears and i would say so goes the head of the department
which you know it can affect the main thing on the very day operations of themain justice department and especially on the problems exist in the usattorney's office on the us attorney's office an industry is a lobbyistcommissioner and forty warriors and the rovers mr silbertis the principal source of cement his number two of the twohundred and forty american during this tomiami it would be a big mistake for him to do something with thistime without prior consultation facts yet to understand one senator said it's beenworking behind closed doors and twenty three seasons and afederal grand jury in anonymous rolling over and watch what's going on and it was an interviewwith him and just trying to possible to discussions of grantsimmunity certainty what this is an all out and so i am of doors is as an awful lot ofexplosive material which are ultimately will come forth
it should the issue of that weight obviouslyand talk to mr cotton for him expect way no videothe problems between the committee and mr silber in the prosecutingteam of the federal grand jury have been developing for some timing for the hearings began there were stablestep further calling of witnesses and that that they pulled an appearance at this pointmight work to the detriment of prosecutor the prosecution ofpeople later there were also off this whole business community involving johndean which still has not been resolved sam dash of course who has the maturitycouncil that saturday out in various interviews that they got the justice department was notcooperating by waving their their right what is a bill ten days plus twentydays and there's no reason for any different are as that means that youdon't think about appear and logical sequence as it is withme should follow if your construction story carries you should
follow the testimony john caulfield that maybe the middle of a budget and beforethat can happen now what about this whole relationship between the special prosecutor and theexisting prosecutor jane doesn't sound plausible to you that mr coxwould go walk the existing prosecuting to step aside and let him stepi think there has to be some sort of a meeting forascertained from first an appraisal of where the three team prosecutors are rightnow are mr sommer mr lanzer mr campbell where they come from is not tosay that a lot of this could not have been the route there they do morefairness in proper care since the break in on june seventeenth afterrow of had jurisdiction over this matter sends for almostalmost eleven months and so i'm not i'm not saying the us attorney's office hasbeen the circumstances certainly
i think the record lawyer abortion on march nineteenth tojudge the record on the idea that they really begin to begin tounderstand that the ramifications of love with this what this coverup operations on a mask a quirky about john caulfield atincriminate himself today in any other well christie has an image are doing at this point in his testimonytoday liberatingof a messenger boy and four and offer something of valueto what those regarding his testimony and of course healleges today for the first time in his own personal knowledge primaryevidence of this can offer would be a possible violation oftitle a canine states code section two the one age which is ireally was a federal district court now we do have to understand nobodyyet has testified up there as i've been granted immunity or taken the fifth amendment
regarding religion self incrimination everybody who hasms testifies them family council and has been aninvoluntary long term or my opinion as a messengeri will for large what was being done that he could be charged as a major donors arenot part of the prosecution or possible a possible coconspirator maybe any conspiracy case but i would think they'd be more interested in his testimonyvery welland the rain off like uber much like the first three days oftestimony before senator ervin's committee have uncovered a trail of involvement at least tothe top levels of the white house for a look at what the midterms may be revealed tomorrowwe turn right after harry's vampire correspondent peter kay he was on duty in the senatecaucus room all day here what's next will come my
backyard amount gm and mr caulfield will be back on the witness stand this time toanswer questions from the committee counsel from the senators and so it's actually goodfor testifying and i suspect you'll be three by tomorrow we get to the man that he hadto do the investigations and other former new york policeman anthony he loves the woodswe're still find some pretty small fish here now we are still at the verybeginning ran a low level of non policymaking level actually take the next big step up theline in that particular inquiry you listen to middle and higher level people atthe white house and the committee and that's what it's really going to be interesting to see if peoplecan balance her own personal involvement with what the committee is trying to go afterso in your case of protection willsay out turns out as you know and it erodes your reaction to ourinteractive are delivering stop us a line if you're so moved to do so what you say willinfluence what we do next time our address is an impact post office box
three hundred washington dc to a loaf or four that's ambac bach'sthree hundred washington two or all four four i will beback tomorrow night when our unedited hearings so much has happened that it is understandablydifficult to summarize but one thing we did learn today as the president nixon is that animpossible the whole thing is resolved but the watergate behind me and concentrate onother aspects of government as you know that's what he said he would do in his april thirteen speech andthat's what he's now finding difficult if not impossible john caulfieldreturns to the very small and so was robert macneil for peter kay animpact on joe moore thank you and goodnight from washingtonyou've been watching gavel to gavel videotape coverage of hearings by the senate select committee onpresidential campaign activities as coverage is made possible by grants for specialevents coverage from the corporation for public broadcasting and the ford foundation
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Jim Lehrer anchors gavel-to-gavel coverage of day 3 of the U.S. Senate Watergate hearings. In today's hearing, James McCord and John J. Caulfield testify.
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