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bi was to be released on my name it could indicate thati had approved plans ready for instance of alli regret that at the time but as mr dean has indicated it was a fairlycommon practice in the white house for exampleright now i assume responsibility for authorizing thefbi investigation i'm sure mr colson assume theresponsibility for the nineteen seventies back at ayear of those were true but that was astatement that was put out that said every time that you order so allof us not there was no pendingbody where i would take you know to make a statement
and in fact when i eventually was asked that particular question before the grandjury on april eleventh who approved the hiring and ultimatelyi answered mr holland and serviceswas times where you're maintaining the best of these memoryyes i think it'sprobably a mistake more describe it is that the puritans last three people in themeeting i remember the context of the discussion i regret having made that statementbut the white house that there wasan overwhelming demand really inappropriate sense of loyaltythe committee will stand in recessuntil he returnedas the committee process for a vote on the senate floor and one hundred thousand are
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and ride continues its coverage of hearings by the senate select committee onpresidential campaign activities european correspondent robert mcneilas we go back to that hearing senator evan is asking gotten stronger reconstruct whatstrong told a charlatanthis is verycommonhe was going throughand youknow you're rightmr chairman i believe my testimonyis that mr mcgregor called me after the discussion of the key
biscayne decisions have reported those decisions after they hadbeen made to mr haldeman in the political matters memorandumhe madethat's correct he reviewed the thirty or so any decisionandsophisticated operation yessir that was one of the decisions that he indicated had been approved happening and thenyou make a report whoknewyou're right
three hundred people that'scorrectthat's correctthe meetingthat's correctbut when you go on in
that thatoperation is or that area and notbe returned to youand you're goingon the basis of informationyes sir the talk and paper was returned in the package of folderssurrounding political matters not only thingdo you knowno there's no doubt in my mindyou know
it's only majorleague now youyou will get live in thedeal and italso i wasvery clear impression leftyou're welcomeisthisyou
ohoh and you mentionedthat you had trained itis years and he didn't get it thatway is bowser at nightthe petitionas we justdiscussedno i shredded the documents that doesn't have been instructed to do soand also because i thought they ever became public they would be politically embarrassingyou aware of the competition the
content yes i am re read them many timesand thats your opinion that the caucus did not suggest anycriminal activity no the papers suggested thatmatters when she became they became public really embarrassinglike thisarestronger shredding themever said to youbefore oil missouri andthis is the first time in germany shredding forum facilitiesthat's correct i am i've done and reassuringfor that however in terms of copies in keeping the files in order i had beeninstructed when i first joined the snap to keep copies of all documents
related to the campaign and i made a very genuine effort to be thenthose were instructionson to keep copies of materialsnow our office had a shredder right ininterviews a great deal to eliminate copy of papers that had been replacedby other papers you use regularly thatassistance as well as you mentioned this morningi don't think sowell i did not
attend any of the needs that you've become highly publicizedhis you know meetings going on you knowms custer intelligence gathering of several meetingsin europe there is any more information on that when these well that was presentyes or onjune thirty nineteen seventy one i prepareda talking paper for a meeting and had been scheduled for mrhaldeman and mr mitchell at which the subject of politicalintelligence was raised and at that particular media sand wedgeproposal was raised as a subject for discussionmr mitchell and mr baldwin well the
meeting's can you recall onnovember fourth nineteen seventy one there isa need to train hauling mr mitchell magruder andmyself at which the subject of political intelligence was discussedmeaningintelligence but that time it was a matter ofdiscussion i don't believe any decisions have been made just a subject ofdiscussion mr mitchell mentions germany's maini had not heard the name before and then my notes of themeetings i still know i mean thebut you must have
discussed ways in the use of going about getting political intelligence divisionthe only specificmatter and i've gone back to my files and looked at the notes on that meetingthe only specific item that was mentioned was thesurveillance of senator clintonoh it had been my understanding based on my discussionson being that there was to bea twenty four hour tail on senator kennedy i learned laterfrom john b that that have been cut downto carry out and i did not know that gesture didn't havethrough history to be persuadedthere's a whole series of
campaign hours itwas mentioned very briefly i believe mr mitchellindicated that the decision had been reached on political intelligence because the parties werecorrect i called up yesterday after the meetingindicated to him the discussionswhether youyou know this air ondecember seventeenth nineteen seventy one i preparea talking again for a meeting between mr haldeman mitchellat which the subject of political intelligence was to be discussed where youpresent those are excluded expressly for many as i havebeen you know from what anybody may have told us in the meetingwhat was discussed
oneof the questions was should sean bean become thecontrol point rather than merely the white house contact for political intelligencethe answer that i got for mr hollande was that it shouldcontinue to be the white house the other questionposed in much of it not an answer was should mrlevy the one man responsible for political pointmost are notthen letting loose discuss theculturally wasn't proposing the talking neighbor and i have no way of knowingwhether it was discussed at the meeting a meeting that youremember your political intelligentanswer this morning to you
he was veryi kept a fileand hours made a note of the phone calls that i monitor and separate ourvotes i've been back to that filei would guess the number of pieces of paper andthey're somewhere close to forty or fifty but that i went back tothat file and not vote for the purpose of counting the number of phone callsphone calls were the subject ofconversation if belgiumconversations that you've monitored have to do with political intelligence gathering
a conversationa police shortly after the june thirty meeting between mr haldemanand mr mitchell which are monitoreddiscuss the older man or mine but there was not a reference at that timetoo political intelligence one was this casewas unbelievably after the june thirtynineteen seventy one what was the substance of that conversationmr mitchell was reviewing for mr haldemanthe investigations that were ongoing regarding ellsbergfollowing the leak of the pentagon papers you refer to theperson at the state department who had leaked some information to mrellsberg you refer to an official at the defense department and had admitteddisclosing confidential national
security information my notes on the conversation runs six orseven pages of extensive discussion to saywell i cannot take notes in the executive officebuilding on what my best recollection is shortlyafter the june thirty nineteen seventy oneyou justify that a little mammals dailyas i recall on them and some of them were likely where didyou get your information and one of the original the memorandum we'renot prepared they would be prepared as frequentlyas once a week usually once every two weeks sometimes latest once every threeweeks and i would get the information by talking topeople on the white house staff who are politically active such as
i'm going to call some people and the statesincluding california people in seventeenthe committeemany senior individuals personallywho would tear the polling informationdaily mr jawad for advertising information as jeff lundenreports on the field organization for marriage forreports on general research done in the campaignthere is a fellow in charge of direct mail bomb morningi'll probably a daily walk out ofinformation here muslim an estimated to you michel
one piece of itsignatureon them and his office will be in afinal four much of the information that they have decided thatinternal disputes have been resolved seventy no one to sendcopies of memoranda to mei receivedpackages of information from the committeewhichis whatthese three hundred and fifty thousanddollars but i understand i
can understand why does want to miss lilly says about the use in the white house forsomething in connection with a can and why would you pick it up andthen they'd be given to somebody where you're reasonablywell there ispollsters they would conduct a full force would happen againbill to go very far from the whitehouse no it'snotmr harwood he not connected with three hundred andfifty thousand dollars worth of miles of abuse in this campaignbecause he could take the cashto a polling organization runs the
california to bolster in californiaduring his routine well asofficial in the white house that and who isn't iwould guess somewhere in the neighborhood of four hundred but that's just the ballpark thisgenially possible family's four hundred who could have been interested in the cost of youknow listen now as oneof the alternativesthomas mr philindicated that you know a band for a long time that hewas able to travel and that you would be willing to do exceptme cause severe cash mr david indicated that neither he nor anyone he canthink of on the white house that
would be able to do iton the chairman of people mostly the task hetold me that he would not be able to arrange the holding of the money fairlyclose to be campaign spending law andthat they'd hand so i scrambled for somealternatives to present to israelas is customaryyou knowthat's correct why wasn't that your agenda in the summeris where he was just one of the matter is
that i had been asked to do before a white house that wrappedup those white lie functions with thekennedy center injanuary islands off alaska was a matter of the lastman or had not taken care of this garden plenty of a piece of unfinishedbusiness that's another way for thequestion's questionfor mecarol i wouldn'task about three hundred thousand of about three hundred three
hundred thousand dollars has referred to and theconversation on march thirtieth nineteen seventy two the fact thatseven tino on now has this to get political intelligence gathering systemyou know and again as that not three hundred thousandabout this was david in the memorandum orpossibly in so called their basements all right nothat statement was included in the original cover memorandum thatit was the detachment so venture tothis is the first time for three hundred thousand dollars a year we talk about theleague and that presumably aretestimony so far indicated two hundred and fifty thousandcan you explain
no sir i have noexplanation for that other than i wrote down what was arecruiter told that there's certain income i don't knowbut yes i wrotedown three hundred or as he told me on the telephone and completed thepolitical management loan within a day or two and march thirtieth nineteenseventy two actually would've been a day after the meeting andhalfbaked the conversation was on the very first witness toa telephone conversation was long enough foryou mr mcgrew army can remember specifically my massive reconstruction of eventsis that it was on the characters right and the meeting at this game where
the amount was set fifty thousand dollars according to other witnesses weresome thirty day before so no great period of time what line betweenthat time and allegedly the two hundred and fifty thousand dollar the but it was thereand the day the following day when mr ritter passed on to the information of his threehundred and fiftytwo hundred andfifty or three hundred years the money at acomedy or possession orchestra members possession on his persona mrliddy not to my knowledge you're really countingto its expendituresso you have no idea how we can reconcile thatrecently the budget between two and fifty thousand three anuncertain hour talk about another now we've heard about three hundred and
fifty thousand dollars that was received brown crp and brought tothe white house for colin meloy yeah oh thathurts april sixth as arethe variables that oracle's know how you pickedup three and fifty thousand dollars and so i asked the lever to whois at the moment over seventymr butterfield and stayed withhim in his office as we can take possession of the moneyyes we canada and he took possession of it is all oklet's for and what the nominationtwenties fifties hundreds were youaware of the contention that it was the usual polling
oh definitely hadn't been discussed the need forseparate independent polling beforewe discuss our polling agency i'm gaynotreallywell enjoy the materialism well they wereconducting extensive polling also and we would want to runballs to double check the results and also polls wereconducted an industry holmes direction on matters related to thecampaign a personal question clintonis trying to find out right nowwas it in fact now it turned out
that we incurred over the course of the campaignsomething in excess hundred one hundred and ten thousand dollars inidaho and expenses mr stanza mic and they havesubstantial assets at the end mr the rangers fansto pay that either colin stands out of theordinary campaign funds and not to use any part of the three hundred and fifty thousanddollars of understand the picture the committee to reelect presidentwas doing polling maybe the national republican committeethat'scorrect and for fifty thousand dollars initially was for mr allmani are prisoners that is to be kept secret committee to reelect presidentrepublican national committee and almost allmembers of the white house not mr ehrlich oh no
not to my knowledge mr mitchell noi think he knew about thefact that one three hundredand fifty thousand dollarsthe president knew that we conducted extensive private paul actually can'tspeak as to whether even worried about it you knowwhether the new novel indignation that he knew or did not know the three otherunits thatno i have no informationi didn'trealizeas serving as the numerous occasions i would walk into the oval office
with the polling results in hand and miserable i'm still not quite sure why you'dwant to have separate polling checked there are cells needing medical elected presidentbut why would you want to check the reception a few had reputable pollingcan feel why why would you feel constrained to check the resultswell allthey're as different from gallup different from opinion research differs from peter's resultswe have confidence in the particular polling firm that we've used at thisparticular demographic information one of the one of the primaryreasons for having a separate polling capability was theconfidentiality of the questions and the results not all pollsconcerned the campaign told the restaurant and i'mnot intending to you any sort of misconduct ormr impropriety what i'm reading at is the very fact that
at that polling was being undertaken by mr hallsecurity and conceal the committee to reelect president presumably republicannational committee's implies some sort of application or mistrustof the committee to re elect the president or the existing republican organization the republicannational committee a new enlightening and that risk but do you have any insight or anyinformation that would wind farm on saturday thatsuspension well yes there was definitely a feelingof distrustcommittee to re elect the president in that sense of the confidentiality of thepolling that they were conducting are numerous times when thenumber of people who actually would have access to the polling results just cut downone time i have quite an argument
with mr mcgregor because i had been instructed by mr pollan that i was totell mr mcgregor <unk> mitchell's presence that he was not have access to the pollinginformation and the geneva meeting there was considerableamount of distrust of the more people who have information morelikely would be to me down theaislepursue that much further but the image that is coming through the mainstream oncorrect me if you disagree with that comes through to me is that therepublican national committee did not run that race the commissioner elect the president wasset up for that purpose but even it didn't entirely wrong areas of problems arepeople in the white house had a separate organization that was concealed thenseparate from alternate reelect president obama in action
committees that there's a part of your experiencepollsters say the republican national committeethe committee to reelect presidentof remarkable mr hall and roll bolling air itwas also substantially but many of the tree and fifty thousand dollarsquestion about at polling organization on innovations in allordinary way ourother funds were used for those other conclave i checked as distinguishedday it's my understanding i know to be in a range thatwith mr stanton i believe it was a tornado that the conclusion of thecampaign has fallen expenses incurred during the campaign so the initial concern forsecrecy disappointed at some point and you didn't that means other than that
so that purpose but we have some information thatthreaten fifty thousand dollars was alsoused in part for a newspaper reporter and i believe you a jobyes art of the three hundred and fifty thousand dollars worth of three hundred andtwenty eight thousand dollars left i believe that you can't remember whether theand while seven thousand dollars and fifteen thousand was returned it wasfifteen thousand seven thousand injured characters that there's a holidaywas in an envelope and the two figures religion orlean immediately assumethe power myself and i simply don't recall you know how much they hadpromised not to try to find out inpreparation for testimony the prosecutors indicatedas much earlier i
should not try to reconstruct anyaspect of the handling of the moneywill be there youtestified before the grand jury on this amount of mind concerning the three hundred and fiftythousand dollars through twenty eight and thirty three hundred andfifty thousand dollars because i askedif the three hundred and fifty thousand dollars was in fact and itwas a lot of this do you ever mentioned the fig or three hundred and twenty eightthousand before the danger know i questionmr palmer never make anystatement to the grand jury that is you're aware of about someone for twenty eighthundred and fifty thousand though mr hall invention thatmr artie mr oliver never discussed that song with new thriller twenty eight thousand this
decision three and the un trying to get drawn to what was over the grand juryabout the amount of money involved and whether or not there was in fact twentytwo thousand dollars that was returned with his aunt or forty twothousand less the amount of the actor it's it requires in a turnabout out of all the moneyand we're left with uncertainty about whether the adcost fifteen thousand or seven thousand it's pretty good buy and i'm trying tofind out where that money in fact they get back or not didn't tell me was certainly that all of the moneywas returnedthe samething about this money is betteryou know the information the strong anyonespinning you know what i'm talking about as analysts are talking aboutpeople i mean some of this
oh i knowi don't know anyone else who you don'tknow anyonethe answer is whetheror not any suspicion that someone isconfusion about the figuresi don't know right now lead you can give usthat we can pursue i'm not trend which owns what they're asking them like an allegation against someonewithout substantial evidence but you suggest in the areas of inquiry that wemight follow bush's gaming people werementioned in connection with the money well let meask you this role and take your time and i noticed there's another boat signal on theclapper you agreeable talking step further on that subject of a later date straub
of the arabrevolt was in progress now in ordernot to mention a police headquarters few additionalquestions committee will be atenor like europe has volunteered to go forward about this question while i gowhoa look at somebody like youarei don't think it's possible to continuefor those continue to interrupt theinterrogation and gordon strong so we'll take a short break to public television coverage of the senate
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presidential campaign activities you again correspondent jim lehrerwas a major turn in the caucus room the weakening the committee members of thequestion as far into lost on all eleven and recorddate as to the time the president of the united statesfirst had knowledge of a break canada's psychiatrist of mrelbert you know those are and you know you have no knowledge of thatbut i have no knowledge of that and then the deal of speculation intestimony undid all of mr haldeman and mr erlichman and what's known as avery tight ship in the white house you're closeassociation with two man victimized all along would you agree with that statementyes a very tight ship they were the president'sclosest advisors and comment on domesticmatters yes which wanted to know more about political matters
offermann issue standpoint i would guess that it would be mrbrolin from a personality or poland standpoint it would be mrhall room andyou make those decisionsi'm notfamiliar with decisions that mr erlichman made i know what decisionsmr holland made on political matters and that is of importance to thecampaigns that memorandum from asthma to us wassent by mr haldeman and the brine goes to the president's attentioneye can specifically recall ever seeinga memorandum from mr mitchell to mr halden know theycommunicated primarily and private meetings
than there were maybe a half a dozen the miranda from mrhaldeman to mr mitchell that i saw this fall immediatelybring to the attention of the president that is the considerablei simply don't know that i would soon be good but i don't know that for a fact wouldbe a reasonable assumption or new audis and it was to hold arewarding break in you're asking for myopinion yes that would be my opinion yes sir and you knew whomentioned in your previous testimony had to know something about the cigarette in hand andwhat did you know and when didwell and i began injuly of nineteen seventy one discussing theproblem will need in a campaign for a
tick tock capabilityone or the other of us mention the possibility ofconcentrating the same person we had known together incollege or even in a cup it at thata prankster political jokesandin late august nineteen seventy onein a meeting between mr allman was tocome back and myself was to parliament authorizedwas to combine to pay salaries and expensesto engage in
that type activities what plantsexcuse me sooner or clinton's name some of these instances you'regoing to do well to go to forexample a musky rally and have a sign on that wouldsay this is humphry territorythat the militia and theirwell we discusseda series of activitiesillegalmr tucker quite a reputation for being an ingeniousindividual and we thought that was just a great it would likewise the ingeniousvan relatively
new monument that'swhy their expenses were authorized to just grace so that there would be more thanone person inside now you interviewed by the idea of thisnineteen hundred and seventy two years or wasentirely disagreemr holmeswere you surprisedi was surprised that thefbi did not ask me more probing questions even about cementyou testified to his own lives being lieutenantwarranty matt weir waving the investigation has been sharedon vine has been in the water in this awful last year
well i know that i talked with yesterdayand explain to him what i knew about the cigarette in honoranubis the chicken and similarly talk mr deani didn't know whether his investigation went further than that or not ihad discuss those matters with him in the summer of nineteen seventy twoyou catch me on today thiscorrection i must be overstated because the hallto the white house you know there's no surrogate notis it reasonable to agree with mr butterfield mr erlichman didn't haveknowledge of that visser is anagency's of madison and health with openness todiscern what happened as
well i can only remember one or two occasions where mr erlichman would haveaccess to any of the polling information that was to calm and connected through meand you know there'snothing that comes to mind immediately as you know well there's adirect conflict and some of the testimony when you invest innew pillows while oil believe you in reference to hisanswer i believe you should assess the witnesses'testimony and white of his history for telling thetruth in a lot of the individuals motives tell truthmr mcgregor as told various versionsof the watergate story many of them believedto the federal bureau investigation the three grandjuries to the original water of a trial jury the
original prosecutors to the attorneys and other officials at thecommittee to reelect president wellit's very odd he told us all along that they believe inas to an individual's motiveto tell a truth mr mcgregor was faced with and hismind at least twelve counts of perjurywhatever other times he might be charged with his desireto deliver an individual on the white house staffto the prosecutors was quite ibelieve he selected me because i hadrefused to corroborate testimonies he asked me the corporateyesterday the
workers but he would frequently andfor me there have been decidedone of her not in fact been decided by one individual and wehave an occasional arguments over that misinformationthey said must mention orna long shirt andtimes if you ever get anything incorrect you please explain whatsome illustrationof one illustration will forever stick in my mind afterthe republican national convention that decision and the natives andcertificates to all those who have attended there was quite a number ofpeople and i have been working with several members of the white house staff trying to get the variouscertificates for the various levels of people obviously so forthsomehow project was not complete
and that one morning about four amhe called me from air force one man told mevery clearly that i have notperformed and that the project should be annulled immediatelybut it was a baddream cycle signal operator back to that i just get a call from the parliamentand then he said yes there was over the radio and ican tell you is that the morning joe consider leavingyes siri did consider leaving but when i was fired from the job andhe hired me through the election and i gave him my commitment that i would stay through theelection strong i thinkthis body of the senate
many a recess at this point is a vote on the senatefloor and i think some of the white voters a few more questions as the message onthe planetdespite the number of votes on the senate floor the committee has done a financial gordon strong todaysought to fuel the seven year interim senator hell i returned to chair the scenesyouknow so but what's destroyingyour questiondid mr hall and meet withus at any time and preparation for his appearance before the new staff this committeenotes or did not now in the course of histestimony were before the course of his parents wereveterans didn't like that touch and very briefly in and
the kids do what your knowledge of these matters hasspecifically in the air leaks and plumbers the pentagonpapers indicate so minimal general mills general knowledgeof what was going on how this seems to be rather not testimony that you pay beforemr rolleabsolutelyi know very little about the operation as it related tome another is my knowledge of theprogram to stop leaks are discussed in executive sessionand that was a program establishedafter the president held a cabinet meeting and i worked with mr dean andmr maliki on that projectpolitical asylum was the recipient of
course of the memoranda from needs to be and it's truenowfinally correct yes iwas the statement that he used in the original meeting in hisoffice with mr mao mr dean mr higbyyes that isrightyeah no we did not know whether or
not you're in a strong region says thecase is a veteranwell he told me to make sure the files are cleanedrestored the i told john dean and i'mreminded him on that july one other words youget on that you're destroying these materials are correct that took place on air force oneare now than in conclusion oh iwant a partial judges are extremely importantbecause the element of fairness volunteer committeemembers of the committeeand so far your
ability to retrieve information make no role ofpreparation your parents before this committee i wonder ifyou would describe to the committee conditions whichexists in so far as you're concerned when you want to go back and take a look atyour records and preventing internet you might have from the secular alot of the campaign i tookall files which i considered presidential papersmemoranda from the president mr hollande a miranda mr holmantoday for me mr hall to prove arepointing to in the executive office building and locked downand at least six statesit became necessary for me to recallspecific dates and means and again going back
to the executive office buildingwas allowed access but i was not permitted eitherto copy any documents buys iraq's or to takenotes about any particular item in there noratake notes in with me four matters that i wanted to discoverthis is only present in the room where youinsert a secret service agent i assume you wanna find somedetail piece of informationi can read the documents and are back in the sametime we do run out of the room and tried to shutdown the new houses were no i
would not go outside the roomcharter members many things that possibly could in the space of twoor three hours and leave the room with the secretservice agent loch the filing cabinets lockerroom and death usually go overto my lawyers office and try to write up mybest recollection of the information that i had readno we're not allowed to bring any paper a pencil in the room with your make anotation why we're trying to hold together the fact prior to yourappearance before this committee that is correct and this is thesituation and it continues to be a situation where itwas the same situation for your prayers before the grand jury
i don't believe i even went into the room toreconstruct my recollection before i went to the grand jury and it's been thesituation recently became important that ibe able to reconstruct fact accurately you consider this to be a very fierce setof conditions i would prefer an alternative systemi have no further questions ofmischievous up the comment that rahm isreally all meand i consider theconditions under which he was great preparation your case presents nation to theamerican people to be grossly unfairbistro proportions youand your testimony suggests of several
elite asia the president added capability ofelectronically taking conversations of their offices nowyou've indicated that there are several meetings with alderman'soffice was fine political intelligence gathering was beingdiscussed discussions were recordedno i did not know that and i do notthink that mr coleman then take capability in his officenot know that for a fact finding i thinkin his own statement was committedcivil fraud it was during the spirit of the time which ibelieve was mid february ago that a conversation with mr o'brienin which you told ryan that he had received his final authorization to leave theseactivities
with the president ithink it waswell i think the timingof that version of the facts readers interestedand shortly thereafter and has today's testimony indicated that theinterest in getting this from a rural government jobs increased something like tenfour it's my opinion that version of thefacts was presented by this summer bruner to mr o'brienfor that specific purpose conversations with vistavolunteer advocate to receive such a report recentlyno he did not he subsequently told methat that mr mcgregor had told him a slightly different version ofthat story and he dismissed at the time as well let's
just remember trying to get some attentionif ourorganization or was libya's activities no sir ididn't know where you were visibly these activities of thatnature i was nottheir job to the best of the buddha was less cost ofthis yes that is my firm opinionithas beenthank you very much for you corporation this committee was that inrecess until ten am onand so ended a day when the man testifying was all but
ignored because of the swirl of other more dramatic events that probably won't be the casetomorrow when interest in the presidential debates temporarily cools and johnehrlichman the former white house domestic cheeses the witness the white house so far movedslowly in response to watergate and it's unlikely there will be any immediate response to thesubpoenas that will leave before a spotlight on john ehrlichman one of the president's twotopics you'll be followed by h r haldeman charles colson and by that timewe will have heard from all the top administration aides have been alleged in the water getinvolved what they're saying or whether they'll be willing to talk it all on certain topics maygenerate as much interest as who will ultimately gained access to the presidential debatesthe committee's subpoenas today were very specific senator and stressed that he wanted noblanket access to the president's teenagers documents just those directly related towatergate after today's session berns chief consultant unconstitutionalaltered western university professor arthur miller talk about that with a correspondent peter
kay only committee is looking for usthe availability of tanks and fanswould tend to prove that this movie adaptations of the night andthat's it for that the ferrets on the alleged criminalactivities committee asked for a violent criminal activities under notheory of law that i'd often only fugitive ofknowledge about the political activities that maybe in his possession even the proimmigrant today was a day of history and gordon strong stephenhess of emirate of president nixon author upon both so on americanpolitics now senior fellow at the brookings institution and john cranmer professor of lawgeorgetown university law center here in washington to watch this day with uswhat are your thoughts at this late hour beginning with you mr cramer it is a very
strong contrast de france testimony between the support of most of theterms of his prior testimony constantly referring to him as the truth teller i don't think you ever lied tome he said i'm confident that he disclosed all the facts in the parliament he was remarkableremembering details is the constant reiteration throughout its four hours of testimony on that matter thedean is the truth teller at the same time a compliment hello reiteration that wasthe rumor is the lawyer mr rivers one of soccer's of wanting to perjure himself not thefact that he had received on behalf of living cheap monthly plans you did not but gruber wasresponsible for lying about steroid and these alleged approval of them actually planthese matters at toll plazas to the committee and themiddle is the longest home and that palin was the major reason that the committee was trying tofollow why why would come out of home was destroyed testing whether tomajor issue with respect imaginable first that you know about the johnstone affair about the burglar beforeand i think that's very clear from the trial testimony at least apparently nothing about the
specifics of the break into the democratic national committee secondly what didmr holman do with respect to the couple first aspect there is did mrkohlmann writer the destruction of the papers with respect to the political intelligence system knowingwhat to keep that away from the prosecutor was an ambitious france's know theywere simply try to cover up with the political impasse and they certainly did find it was fourthousand in so there's nothing from where and a second banner with respect to the useof live and fifty thousand dollars they got folding purposes should was that she was the playoffs againthis just wanting to indicate not that really was just going back to the committee to get that mrlew you simply getting into the time of the committee in terms of january nineteen seventy three so there's nothingwrong they're basically the unofficial seems to execute not going to get us the wholeand i put that same question to steven hess has a special significance to livebecause this is the study's author of five books now as people finish number six and go backin earning his bread at the brookings institution in short this is his last day here last night
with us on these shows so the state asked for your thoughts not only at the end of todaywith the inaugural session with us bill clinton's strong aspleasant looking young man with a somewhat squeaky voice who might've been playing thelead in a movie out called everybody goes to capitol hill but i must admitthat i found it almost impossible to concentrate on hiswords today i doubt that his words added up so that much in thiscontinuing saga but anyway what really was happening was off camera the momentousdecisions that were being made and this was the first time in history that thecongress to serve a subpoena on the president of the united states there's a very sad day it's verydisturbing day with nothing exhilarating about this moment to greatinstitutions have chosen not to blank struck me if it simply ran out of good willthere was no willingness left to accommodate particular presidents
but they seemed to be in impunity motives a loss and the lack of trust of respectthis can only be remembered in history as a very nasty day for america soi'm glad to be leaving gm and robin i have enjoyed myassociation with you gentlemen but i must admit i haven't like wallowing in inthis feel like i feel unclean even even listening i don't think that many of thesewitnesses really understand what this country is all about the differences anddiversity to a respect for each other that makes the country operate i don't like listening tomyself talking about it i sound like a mild craig uh i i metthese people an idea i had sound mean i don't think of myself as a mean personso tonight as i leave you weren't under stress that i'm burned out and isalute you for performing a very useful though distressing service i wish you were toostrong stomach mr de botton we're parting statementhere and you used the word no wallowing what are the
alternatives to wallowing and watergate it does well buti think what were seen as as the sleazy and cynicaland i like it if we thought of our government and our country asother than that but if we have to you knowone or the other perhaps it's best to know the worst and to beprepared for it and understand it as as was the summermonths why a question that a strong today on his advice to young people and hesaid that they're staying away from it i can understand that wasdestroyed twenty seven years old at the white house is pretty heady stuff two years latertwenty nine areas in front of the senate committee withcommunity that's very sad business i would hope that my advice the americanpeople or to use that america would be different but i'd like to think of as a failure of of menand out of the system up i've i like to think that we're that we
have a system that for two hundred years hasn't produced the watergate i wouldsuggest on the other hand that when only fifty five percent of the peoplevote after all voting is the most elemental in and simple obligationsof citizenship other politicians who are hearingthat people are listening and hearing that people are watching and they get themessage stephen wall was we've enjoyed your of yourmany nights with us on the good luck on on a number six what we're seeing againdo you also john thank you very much on thesimple face and disconnection would seem to be taking an enormous risk by refusing to give upthe recordings that he claims would reveal his innocence the risk is thatsenator evan will win the battle for public opinion with his argument that a manwho refuses to produce evidence is writing material that would be incriminating to himmr nixon seems to be saying that an effect yes the tapes could be interpreted in different
ways the logic of the situation and tells the conclusion that me that they could best beinterpreted in a fashion hostile to him and then a fashion passed out again thatis relevant in this situation is the testimony of john dean what johndean chargers is that the president knew of the cover up as far back as september fifteenthlast year a congress as you know september fifteenth was one of theworms mr dean charges that on march thirteenth of their shear mr nixon you about theauthors of executive clemency defendants mr lipson says he did notcommit he wants that the strongest and friends are drawn frommr nixon's letter today as opposed to conversations could be interpreted to supportjohn dean's charges or they could be interpreted to support mr nixon's regimeand he does not trust the urban committee or the courts of law or the press or theamerican people to decide that matter seems to be saying he wouldn't get a fair hearinginstead of seeking such a gang is going to get his own final definitive version
when this phase of the hearings are over and then talk about so the issue remainsa test of his own personal credibility against that of joan the galluppoll shows a steady erosion of his connections personal credibility and creepingsupport now at twenty four percent in favor of impeachment sincehis credibility is essential ineffective management of the presidency onewonders how long this can go on well the american people are deeply uneasyabout impeachment just get bored and are wary or will the creeping movement towardsimpeachment grow inexorably it may be that these two movements inpublic opinion on like a race of tortoises mr nixon is waiting to see which onegets tired first we'll be back tomorrow night or my colleagues jimlehrer and peter carey says robert macneil goodnight friendfrom washington you've been watching gavel to gavel videotape coverage of hearings by the senateselect committee on presidential campaign activities as coverage is made possible by
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Robert MacNeil and Jim Lehrer anchor gavel-to-gavel coverage of day 26 of the U.S. Senate Watergate hearings. In today's hearing, Gordon Strachan testifies.
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