Los Angeles Philharmonic; Aaron Copland and the American West, part 1

National Public Radio presents the following concert of the Los Angeles Philharmonic recorded in the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion and produced by KPFA Los Angeles on a grant from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. Here is your host and commentator for this series William Malik. Welcome to the second in a series of 20 concerts of the Los Angeles Philharmonic Orchestra Zubin major music director brought to you from the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion of the Music Center in Los Angeles on this second program Mr. Major conducts two works by Aaron Copeland and one by Beethoven on the first half of the concert. Copelands Fanfare for the common man will be heard followed directly by the composer's third symphony after intervention. VLADIMIR ASHKENAZY a soloist in Beethoven's Fourth Piano Concerto Aaron Copland wrote his third symphony in 1946 and it was first performed by the Boston Symphony under search Chris Wicki. Copeland himself has always been a very articulate man about what prompts him to write music and how he goes about

doing. Pieces really ideally speaking should take their origin from the nature of the original idea that it's you one day and it's marvelous when something really good hits you because that's a special day. Then of course it was a gradual working out of gradual adding to the materials going away for a while. So you're arrested and can see it freshly when you come back. And in my case I tend to build pieces very gradually from contrasting sections but I'm sensing what ought to happen at a certain point and then trying to find it. That kind of thing you build from the center out. I mean do you build sections and then see how they fit. Or do you start from the go from the first note to the light. No. I collect materials and sometimes something will sound like the end of something will sound like the middle. And then there's that marvelous day when everything seems to run to its place as if they all knew where they belong that you hadn't realized until that instant.

In his book music and imagination Copeland has written I cannot imagine an artwork without implied convictions. That is true also for music. The most abstract of the arts. It is this need for a positive philosophy which is a little frightening in the world as we know it. You cannot make art out of fear and suspicion. You can make it only out of affirmative beliefs. This sense of affirmation can be had only in part from one's inner being for the rest it must be continually reactivated by a creative and naysaying atmosphere in the life about what the artist should feel himself affirmed and Boyd up by his community. It must have dishearten Copeland after the premiere of his third symphony to find the work described in time magazine as Shostakovich and the Appalachians. But the symphony has continued to find a growing audience and Zubin Mehta notes that young audiences in particular find things in it they can take to heart. The symphony by Aaron Copeland is sort of very Americana. Every

kid notices things that they think they know although all the themes are purely Copeland. And I think that music was a result of what America went through. And also as Copeland himself says you know he had Russian Jewish parents and he wanted to be American. I don't think he has borrowed or copied a single theme from folklore. It sounds very eristic. Plus there's a little bit of the Latin American that's shades of jazz a little bit. So every person who hears it being kept perfectly accustomed to the American idiom always finds things to do. Yes exactly. The Third Symphony will be preceded by the Fanfare for the common man written in 1942 the fanfare and was one of 18 fanfares commissioned during World War II by Eugene Goossens for performance with the Cincinnati Symphony Orchestra. The Fanfare for the common man made a great impression at the time and Copeland decided to use it as an integral part of the finale of his Third Symphony. And now

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of hope and speaks out against using those images in the minds of many boys in unison from two years. The country is younger than most of I suppose most of the time and its growth continues to be rapid and dramatic. Americans tamed the wilderness and now find themselves on the brink of discovering that the new wilderness created as a result of taming the old poses survival questions more cosmic than those facing frontiersmen old questions about survival techniques and old survival methods begin to crop up a handful of the man who wrote the covered wagons West are still among us. Though we would ordinarily have no way of recognizing them as we Elco our ways past the busy city streets I grew up on the frontier and no one home and I had no peers on the farm. There are a lot more a lot of people talk about. I had. A proper consideration of danger of them

and the vendors of certain kind of wild animals and their very song part to think what to do what danger and then didn't worry about. They use all your talents in determining just what to do in the event that your attacked when in the end it is a matter of using common dead one day. The robberies in crime over the United States would indicate that they were walking through Washington or New York or Chicago that you were in more danger than you were from Indians on the plains.

Now you people might think that just as I've related death the frontier specimen of a hunter or killer. But I busted Bronx before President Johnson was born broke horses to ride and drive. I grew up breaking horses. I had the kid then and he wanted a horse just like a kid. Now once the automobile horse working every manual count had Bocas or had his own harsh and he had horses and use horses horses as well. Not only with Indians but with white folk. If you had a horse you could use it you could do something different. There was one with a man with a gun and an axe on a horse.

The Jews used to build them with them anything and do things on roads and highways make bridges boats for raft and he could use the gun to feed himself. A man on the front there with a rifle and ammunition never had to fear but having something to eat and it was unnecessary and he could eat and the kids had to buy clothes for them guns and ammunition. Frontier could that have been built without the man with the axe and the gun. I recall that your son says that you once met a man who either saw or knew George Washington. I am a direct descendant of Laurence was you then and Lawrence make peace. Did you then speak to someone who actually encountered George Washington did

you yourself all day when I was going to the University of all our gondolas and went one during vacation I went out in the country on matters and I met a man who had was taken by his father to teach dogs one thing and then and then shook hands with him. And my ancestors were. Distant cousins of dogs watching them. Do you recall what the man said about the meeting. Did he. Or do you recall him that he went with his father and when he was a little boy in Ohio and was then we you know how. And he shook hands with his father introduced him and he shook hands with Third-World did you shake his hand. I did. I shook hands with that man and I saw him by the road.

I thought he looked like the old man I'd ever seen and that I couldn't prove that I was going to see him so I did. And people said even that wasn't him. Did he describe Washington to you. Yes. He described Lord and so on. But then his description couldn't be any better than what you get through all the different books and magazines. What if he has just just for the record what did he say. Just look at one and wondering and we didn't have time of course to spend it with the kid. Do you give me a ring if you recall his description. Can you out of it. Just that didn't want him to look like a great man. That's right he said. Now what is what you could tell from that that did be in your own opinion anyway. Can I shake your hand. You almost tried to throw me over your shoulder there Mr. Sacket How old are you. I was born on February 27 was it

being seventy six. So that makes you nine. Ninety four passed in less than three months. I'll be ninety five. How do you manage to stay alive for so long. My habits of life were simple steadily and eating and I ate double made friends frozen and dried as my mate. Need that to live a ten year old. Well I always had that meat of some kind the game and I sat for emergencies and dad meat is it could be as good player and live dipped in salt and then hung over a bowl over a fire. So to be smoke to keep the flies away while it's carrying and. My main that till I was 10 was mostly

game of course when my Vider bubbling under them was all of a bubble in the body and or how my words are or their me telling me and love me. That was friends then Manmeet that for all pioneers. Are you saying that was it diet then. I think that plus the diet the corn and weight and oats provided all the vitamins vitamins in all parts of meat fat fresh meat and there's vitamins in you and the ducks What can they get the food from the intestines to the blood vessels. They pioneered the hunters knew those ducks.

Some called it my good. Yes four of the digested food in the duck ready to be emptied into a blood vessel. So you had the food with all the you know with animals which had grass you had all of the vitamins and they and and that and yet really in the meat in the flesh if you didn't cook it too much cheese you can eat it. There you go. That was called they didn't know anything of my them and then but they ate it. Sometimes people believe it or not took food from. Running and that and deer or Iraq or buffalo they took the lead that did that grass from their stomach.

All those animals and yet they got all of the green elements have violins from green stuff that you could get anywhere and they wow all the plants they find there. People always knew what kind of wild plants they were at the. And they did eat them and some time they did more but usually cook the wild greens and whenever they get good greens from the time that grain could be picked in the spring until it disappeared in the fall. Frontiere people at wild green. I think some wild greens like nettles and lambs quarter and. Some other leafy things like dandelion dandelions already grow them

but they were wild some places did he made Flandin salad. And you'd be wrong. That what you cook. But there's many greens that make better to me than metals. You think that in other words got you off to a very good start. How about now and since you were 10 that day I don't think there's any cooked greens step that taste better than nettles which I've never tasted. But what about mental attitude do you think that has anything to do with your longevity and the nettle rash. Come here anybody who handles battle is growing or pay until it gets in water. It doesn't level off that much but with it you put on the soft side and it would stop the patient. Do you think it's your your your frame of mind at all that has anything to do with your

having lived this long. You talked about the food you ate. I'd never ever way I never harbored hatred. I been thinking of what I might do might be done. Why my personal life why was it never did do anything that would harm somebody else even by words. So that added to the why not everybody together with philosophy is not worrying how to make my life long. But my dad had a great deal that I do with my living is dead. And as a youngster Sometimes I'd stuff myself but at that time it had

done several more jobs. So I had to fall off a habit of eating or having to live. That would be helpful to other people. I think that if you were trying to be helpful is one is the best medicine. One thing that a human can have. That was Carl Sacket. Will be 95 years old early in 1971 to this day he lives in Cheyenne Wyoming. He was for 16 and a half years. The United States attorney for the state of Wyoming. This concert at the Los Angeles Philharmonic is brought to you by National Public Radio and the

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