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It's p.m. at 5 p.m.. William Howard counsels Steve race and I'm again with this edition of PM I think it's more honest to be mad in the registry office to go to family six of us at it and dead to keep Madge the people who did he mean about his said it dreaded pity Bessie. Sometimes you have people say that they are doing that marriage in the name of the Father and of the sound of the head is that it when these beds maybe did nothing a little. Now a bishop says it that church weddings might well come to be the exception rather than the rule. Billy C. retrench is in the Pacific we talk to the boss of Britain's leading Eline. We look at the question when there's an obscene word not obscene camel finds peace. But what about the stream of history. The Conservative MP who is going to hold his own referendum on the Common Market will also be looking at the history of the strumpet as the evening papers what's on the air this weekend and some of the letters

on rent rebate transport ministers and royal expenses. But first a look at the latest news. Michael De Morgan the World Health Organization has announced it is taking urgent action to tackle the cholera epidemic among refugees from East Pakistan in India. A million doses of antibiotics and more than 200 tons of rehydration fluid to being flown out. More than a million and a half doses of vaccine are being sent from Britain in the next few days. The seventh is striking by the makers of Birkenhead have decided to go back to work on Monday. The unofficial stoppage has brought the camel Edouard to the verge of closure in the blast furnace and strike all hope of a settlement is centered on a meeting of the Bosphorus men's union executive that he was in progress a short time ago in Lisbon NATO countries except France have decided to hold a special meeting to discuss how to deal with the Soviet Union. On the question of reducing troops in Europe each country will be represented. Deputy Foreign Minister minister level a court in West London has been told that a 16 year old boy tried to get £250 from an airline after reading about the blackmailing of Qantas in Australia. He wanted the money to buy a

motorbike. He was remanded on bail for three weeks. Thank you Michael and the aviation industries of the world have been our fate for the past week or so at the Paris Air Show. But behind the gates a lot of grim facts have been lurking. Mr. Keyes Grendel chairman and managing director of Barry S. just got back from Paris himself this morning after flying in the Concorde supersonic airliner but coinciding with his return he announced an important retrenchment by his airline. Below a C is to scrap its trans pacific trunk route from San Francisco through Honolulu to Tokyo this autumn. Jonathan Dimbleby asked Mr. Grenfell Wasn't this a major step backwards that ran a Web extending by 23 percent or worldwide groups during this year. This made Northern Pacific route is of low frequency and if five times a week whereas on the South Pacific we have a much more intense operation and we still are big round the world operators by the Pacific. But in terms of prestige for a big organization like the U.S. to come back

from prestigious term surely a major player in one sense I job is to give the public good transport and that means operating routes that keep We don't fly just for the sake of Christie. In your note to your employees you criticize the government by implication for hiving off part of your profitable lines to independent lines. How significant was that in the sessions. Well I've always been critical of this of course to have any profits taken away at a time when the WELL IT industry is taking a bit of a dip is of course a disappointing matter. I would have withdrawn this particular service in any circumstances this year. What sort of a period is going to have in the future I mean is that going to continue to be these financial difficulties financial crises. No the financial crisis as such and I would like to emphasize that the withdrawal from this road is a temporary measure. We should go back on the road as some of the traders picked up. It may be a year maybe a couple of years away which is temporary.

How do you tell if trade will pick up. There's often hard but we are fairly good at estimating what is going to be and the possible position of the AC of the last five or six years to show this fake tether. You've just come back from Paris of course and you had a flight in Concord. Yes I did. How impressed were you back up there is there good venerable airplane and you can of course get expense of speed. We were about the speed of sound but not up to Mach 2 is you know very impressive performance. The cabin of course is full of equipment and because we could not read a judge yesterday what it would be like in passenger service on the whole you would be interested in it from what you saw. I'm very interested in supersonic so I always have been and I have. Will to continue to negotiate with the manufacturers will lead somewhere in the light of that and in the light of what you say about the slump in passenger transport. Isn't it going to be very difficult for you to justify spending the huge sums that will be necessary to

get involved in Concorde to buy Concorde fleet. It's going to be very difficult for us to justify major increases in fleet of any current over the next four or five years and we're paying very close attention to this. Do you think that B.A. CNN to be worried by the sort of prism oases having such an early bird say we in fact are doing better than any other airline in the world that there is right throughout the whole industry particularly in America. There is a decrease in profits. Most a lot of this is due to excessive capacity mounted by the Americans. They have swamped the world with capacity which has not been needed and they're flying half empty and this is harmed other carriers in Europe and US too. Does that mean for instance on Concorde you're going to have to be holding off as long as you possibly can. We shall take Concorde just as soon as we can justify doing so

financially. But I like what you've been saying about the slump it's going to be very difficult to justify what off the stamp doesn't help in the negotiation with the manufacturers. Before you reach a decision Mr Keith Granville chairman of b o a c m is the vandals fleets drones overhead this weekend down on Earth doing some gardening masterminding a willful on the Long Hand long to mention an impertinent privet But Sue Macgregor has been seeking better attended pastures today she's been at Kew Gardens the 300 acres of parkland that once belonged to the Princess of Wales mother of King George the Third. He was visited by something like a million people a year. I was last there on Monday morning staggered to find the admission price only one new penny. You must be the only place in Britain that's actually reduced its entrance charges it used to be three pence. Today the new director of the Royal Botanical Gardens at Kew met the press for the first time. He's Professor John has led Harrison distinguished plant physiologist as I say Sue

Macgregor was there to meet him but she took the opportunity of a quick stroll around the gardens first. Well I mean it's absolutely staggering I've never seen anything especially the trees the immense trees this is so gorgeous. It is so beautiful the greenery is the size of the trees you know. Reminds me of some parts of Italy you know. Yes but this is cute. This is beautiful and it is beautiful Q.. Even on a day like today when a chilly wind took some of the wind out of the sun and whipped off some of the extravagant finery of the rhododendrons queues over 200 years old it's been public property since 1841 and indeed now comes under the ministry of ag fish and food and it's full of interesting facts too. There are 20 miles of paths and forty five thousand species of plants either indoors or out. Two men from Q were with Captain Bligh when the Mutiny on the Bounty broke out and a queue manned went to Botany Bay in 1017 when I have got it so you know it's like come back every year what you like best you.

Think what's special about. It. Do you think the brass or the hoses Yes everyone has it. Yeah I get very late I get very good care of that. Very enjoyable. They already played like most people perhaps don't do with the prime purpose of Q is not to act as a public park but as a scientific institution professor has not Paris and the new director comes from a long line of botanist himself and ultimate Donna first on this. He's a fellow of the Royal Society almost since the initiation of God and it has been recognised as one of the functions to bring plants together in a center in Britain which may be of economic importance and to study classification and also I think beyond this to discover something about their anatomy and physiology.

This work is not of recent origin. It has developed over many years and in fact through much of the world they prestige or rest not so much upon its I mean its a valuable because there are many scientists in many countries who have never even visited the institution. But on the prestige it is built up through its scientific contributions and theres always important new work going on. For instance in the Johndroe laboratory is fully equipped chemical lab now doing some interesting studies on the chemical aspect of cell structure and biology at the moment. And up until recently you had a huge collection of cannabis plants until someone decided they might unwittingly be breaking the law and the whole lot was put on a bonfire. Cannabis you see has other functions than turning on the smokers. Oh yes indeed in parts of the world this is a crop after all where do we get help broke from but from hemp. Part of the plant that used of course in making ropes. It constitutes the fibrous part of the stand. They significance of this is

diminishing with the introduction of synthetic fibers of course but there are parts of the world where it is quite an important crop. Also the seeds of cannabis are used as a food and animal food and a source of oils and so forth. I'm told Q Has one plant left but it's very carefully guarded. The mall Botanic Gardens are undoubtedly flourishing scientifically and for a public that enjoys a nationally Strout professor has no powers and hopes there long remain that way. Far from having an exhausted function the role of institutions like you is actually growing as populations pressure pressures increase as they area which is part of the country which is put on the roads of factories housing developments and so on increases so the need for all along of the nature of Q.. Actually grow up and I should say that if it has been important in the past it's going to be vital in the future to ensure

that such institutions as key will increase my first impression is very very beautiful. We came from Montreal and we do have a similar type of botanical garden but it's not as precise. Am I coming to England I always come to see you and it's the spaciousness of the dollar. Sue Macgregor enjoying a visit to Cuba. Earlier this week we were hearing about the special rent rebate scheme in Birmingham and the surprise expressed that so few people had applied for it. Not surprising though to a lady who runs to PM from Liverpool for. It makes me sick to have people saying they can't understand why more people haven't applied for a rebate investing and one reason is the big brother Forman has to complete in order to get the rebate. Following a period of illness last year when my savings went down to

nil I applied to the Liverpool corporation but when I saw the form I decided to pay the full rent and try to do without something instead. If they're crying about all this money being left around on used would it not be sensible to assess each has on its number of occupants. This way people who live alone on a low income would not pay the same as tenants where the occupants bring in anything up to 90 pounds also a week. This is to present this grand slam that the highest paid workers are in clover in council houses being subsidized by those on low incomes in what was really an aside I asked if lady correspondents would mind making clear whether they are Mrs or Miss hotfoot or post comes a repost from Sally Watson of Borden Hampshire. Why should we specify Mrs only us. What on earth has a marital status to do with anything. Nothing whatever Miss or Mrs. Watson don't burn bras under me. It's just that women seem to prefer being given their correct form of address on Tuesday's World at

One. The Minister of Transport spoke about Mr. Ralph Nader and his attitude towards road safety in Britain in the parrot like fashion of his predecessors. Mr Payton insisted that he was averse to introducing measures that might antagonize the motoring public and infringe on the liberty of the individual. There he was watching the situation. This has been the trouble with most ministers of transport watch without contemplating the drastic action needed to cut down on this inexcusable road carnage. History is beginning to show that it's always a mistake to appoint a driving minister of transport. The one exception is Barbara Castle achieved more towards road safety than the combined efforts of all her male counterparts put together. She was not concerned with the selfish right of the individual to drink as much as he wanted. She was not concerned with the stupid nits who think that they CAN drive safely at speeds up to 100 miles an hour. She was more concerned with the right of the innocent road user to live without the daily risk of being murdered every succeeding minister of transport shrinks from the

glaringly obvious truth. People are killed and seriously injured in the thousands because we are cursed with a grossly incompetent driving test which releases hold some badly qualified drivers out of the roads each year. The test taken at 25 miles an hour is no qualification for driving today's high speed cars and I'm sure Mr. Payton well knows it. If we're to make a real effort to cut down on road deaths we must rid the Ministry of Transport of the colonel blimps and appoint ministers who put public safety before individual liberty. Gerald would writing from low-IQ in Shetland a lady in Hugh Hurst Cranley sorry begins her letter like Her Majesty the Queen. I too have a money problem and she goes on to give her weekly food budget which is sparse and unenviable. She ends her letter. I just don't know how the queen can ask for more. There must be thousands in my position. Wes I am heartily sick and while on the same subject Mrs John Atkinson writes to us from foulness Her Majesty is a splendid example of what a

queen should be but I cannot for the life of me see why she should not pay her taxes as the rest of us do. And all the goods and money she has inherited starting with the leavings of Queen Victoria on which no Death Duty has been paid for generations all royalty has been on to a good thing and well they knew it. For a good many years past have been suggestions from laypeople in many walks of life that the man so many be split into a compulsory civil and an optional religious ceremony something that's already done in France for instance but now the same suggestion comes from a prominent churchman a bishop of Suffolk doctor moving southward has been quoted as advocating this very idea. Roger Cook asked him what he meant that is just as good might be right hadn't said that it is right that it might be right to do right by his captors to as their God commanded that say that you are married to the civil office test. That's a matter which concerns the state and the persons the method

they commit themselves as husband and wife in accordance with the rules of that particular state. Then if that. Committee just sins they go on to the church that the settling that now of course church where they are so unlike the states not two people but three it is not just husband and wife committing themselves of the courts of the rule of the states but it has been wife and God three involved in a contract. Why should they be separated because. In this country. Let's of peace. Church I know I made it over a thousand people are mad I think and I haven't gotten any of the bread a Christian marriage is about the church being the being the state of the past. The best is both as a state official and as a priest. This does confuse and I think it is more honest to be married in the registry office supporting family

secular Senate and then to keep Church manage the people who really mean rot his head a bit embarrassing. Sometimes you have people say that they are doing their marriage in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. When these may have been nothing to look at. But isn't that rather a grapes attitude. Shouldn't the church be making every effort even some non church goers to keep points of contact. That's rather different from committing yourself is just meeting for too long and in other countries it works perfectly. In what context of this idea arise. I was writing my monthly death through the basses and I chose as my subject for the remarriage of divorced person I have never been happy by a bit rigid attitude that managed maybe a salute to dad. Not a hope of it being resurrected. Even if

we wanted to reimagine judge and I hope to do the future we shall do that. But then it was I went on in my letter suggests that if we don't wrap up trouble over our first bad it is that that might be rather less divorces. I want church managers for people who read it to say that it is a three party card. Husband wife or God to get out unless they see it that way you'd rather not see them in church. That's putting it in Christ where of course by words to see them in church rites and lots of people for instance who come to church about what nasty that they call conscientious to take her to computer because it would be something which they would see you. It's the courts that have been judged but don't let as asked people to make promises which they were fi they cannot understood. Dr. Marvin stock the Bishop of Suffolk. The posters outside the Royal Albert Hall in London offer a fair selection of important names in the concert world composers

soloists conductors singers but the bill for a concert there on Monday week intros the name of a new serious composer John Keating new in a sense Johnny Keating came south remember and became a big name in British jazz stuff arranger for Ted Heath band and laid himself on many LP as a vital question in music. I met him again today for the first time in four years. Last I knew of Johnny Keating he denigrated and was just beginning to make his musical mark in Hollywood. What's happened since. Well I went there I think in 1965. I've scored a picture my first political hotel and I did the Jean Arthur show strength of 13 weeks and had some records for myself. I did a single regular Bing Crosby. You certainly had it made in Hollywood that no problem. Yes no problems except that I wanted to learn to compose more because my work was all composition by this time and I opened a couple of books on composition discover that I knew very little of it in fact to discover something greater than this that every example

to teach you to compose was an excerpt from Beethoven the Sean the Mozart. And this completely just took me over it and I decided that I didn't want to work because I needed all my time to compose on one kind live in the United States and not work and not only do you have to what you have to socialize in Hollywood to keep the work coming in. They came home to study with some composer you know with all of my uncles have been self-taught since I started so I think of them. I could do this also if I put it correctly you would dissatisfied with the rather narrow framework of the music that you are working and they seem to be a thousand years of music to be learned. So you set about doing this. How absolutely on your own. Indeed yes size of walled myself into my flat and used to get up seven o'clock in the morning go to bed at 12. I had various books and techniques of composition and I used to listen to several scores every day different pieces of music. I collected a vast library of tape to list all the masterpieces. This for

some years. For nearly three years I think during that time I knock off a few television jingles to keep body and soul together I only I had to yes not so much about this whole concert. Well I'm doing two pieces on this and conducting them both. One I've written called Hebridean impressions which is a 20 minute work with the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra and then over to you know it's called 100 pipers which is the name of the concert we're doing and you may find it interesting in as much as we have bagpipes incorporated with the symphony orchestra. You'll be in tune together. Well I'm leaving it for you. You'll understand this very much that I'm giving them eight like in jazz work and they get eight bars each. The Soloist and I hope to thank all the jazz in the vag and the symphony orchestra. And if John Keating the new serious composer should happen to fail there's always Johnny Keating left to do some LPs.

Yes as a matter of fact I'm making my return to commercial music also. Do you wish you'd stayed in Hollywood now. Oh good heavens no. This is the town for symphony music. Saturday so an acquaintance of mine not long ago a trendy young man an extremely trendy young wife. Well yes Saturday is our radio night he went on to explain that Saturday was and there he was such an utterly awful night on television that they deserted the box for the radio rather as one might take a night off bingo in order to visit an elderly relative. I'm not mad about Saturday night's television either. Truth to tell. And after last week's stupefyingly tedious addition of a man called Ironside this seems very little left right. Try Radio 4 and Saturday night that are. I had to be the bait put on that such part of expression and am I supposed to keep in conversation if I spot that you are so gallant soldier shoots him in the back. Is that the proposition of us a man nothing as drastic as killing is contemplated.

Then what is it. I must confess that the idea is rather a clever one. So many ends are achieved by the one operation. Both Felix and you are partly at the same time a military action is neatly executed. You would have read in the press or heard on the radio that the sentence ordering the flogging of one of our soldiers was confirmed by the High Commissioner. That sentence was today carried out. We had the Freedom Army and the British but if they did this a similar punishment would be accorded a British soldier. You want me to be the instrument for your own advantage. You don't realize what this is me do you. Pension from a play called an empty seat. Tomorrow at 8:30. Passing over Saturday night's television then especially passing over the unfortunate juxtaposition of photographs on page 16 of the Radio Times we come to Sunday again.

Incredibly the Radio Times photographs seem to relate to the somewhat unfortunate manner of a mind as an old friend at 7:25. Oh job is to get across that open ground and pound high explosive and sighed. I suggest I speak shut up about it tunnels up kind of talk he will go round behind that wall and we can dig a hole in a downward direction. I get down and shouted Riggs don't begin child day to day. They mainly think run to the mill. You cannot would I would go and God willing will be in the mill. I. Rose you know Dad's Army Sunday evening match on Sunday night radio 4 offers the prose and poetry choice of Max Adrian who with great pleasure recalls At one point the number of decorations that his mother used to put up at Christmas time reminding him of how such decorations can sometimes be overdone.

This is from The Spectator January the 23rd 17 12 before I was born. That was once a GA. Has this Christmas so over decked the church with greens that might spoil my prospects. The middle pretty shady walk and the pew look like so many are on each side of the pope treat it as such. Clusters of I lay on the rose a body about it that I like to bellow it up you took the occasion to say that the congregation heard the word out about Bush. Like most of the next Adrian it was time to mention that mid Sunday evening BBC 2 offers a song recital with one item that has perhaps the most familiar piano introduction in the whole world of German leader. In other words the trots and singing it will be Grace Bumbry from his television.

8:45. Was. Now to allow the time of the program a bit. You can imagine the scene the building where Chris stopped by a police office and he turns around to his workmates in the buildings and says Look at this bleep company making a fool of themselves. I'm a working man I'm twice the man he is. What bully pride has he got to such Me. And a question before the man who said yesterday was once the would bleep obscene. They decided that in the context of minus 71 it was not. But where do we go from here. Best of the well-known right to own legal matters doesn't mean that it

would always being considered obscene is in no circumstances no longer sell. No I don't think it can be said so although I wanted to in yours there was this morning have said so. You know what the magistrate has done is in fact whether one likes it or not or whether one approves or not. He has tried to bring the law into contact with reality and he has said in the particular circumstances of this case commenting on the fact that an adjective used by some people know no other. Is it really obscene today and he said no but I'm sure a relevant circumstance was that in fact no women or children were within earshot and only of those of the previous cases of the sort that are relevant. Yes but I mean earlier this year there was a case in which another magistrate held that bloody For example what was no longer and offensive obscene expression. There was a case where four years ago where the divisional court presided over by Lord Chief Justice of England and then was said this and this was a case where a doctor in the Midlands and got really rather annoyed because they're making an awful lot with

excavation works next door to a surgery he had written about it to the ex of Asian people and they had take no notice so he came down and told the workman anyone can use that experience as one more little part and I kept him down and said you can tell your old bosses that there are a lot of bastards with my compliments. Poor man he was improperly fined a pound receiver using indecent language in the House and the highway. But he got off in the divisional call because there were pockets that are not wishing to encourage people to use the word may be insulting but it's not indecent. It's injury or so in yesterday's case that a certain sort of point of the social stratum of the individual happens to be it. I think that's why again this is where the one accepted on all of this is what I think of as part of the the Lady Chatterley syndrome you know. And if in fact a word has a justifiable lit to it significance. So the argument then you are permitted to do so because it has lead to the truth. If you're dealing with people who cannot express themselves in any way other than this well then there's nothing ipso facto obscene about it. Provided that as I

said as in this case no women no choice not within earshot of the words the effect it has on the receiver of the rude word is relevant too. Oh yes it's very much in the ear of the beholder. If they had thrown the same word of the dear old lady. This would have been entirely different although I think with respect to the magical benefit of the book at him.