Evening Exchange; Moore Energy Resources, Nation of Islam, Skin Products

Watch the minority is left out in the cold a cold can reporters get inside the Nation of Islam and you have beautiful skin by using herbs. Find out next an evening Xchange. Good evening and welcome to evening exchange. I'm Kojo Nnamdi. If you happened to be idly thumbing through the business pages of the newspaper one day and saw a headline Washington Gas awards 140 million dollar contracts to minority firm then you notice that the name of the minority farm is more energy resources and you say Now where have I heard that name before. So you read on that the farm's owner

is the Reverend Douglas Moore. And you say so. That's what Doug has been trying to explain to me that he's been doing these last two years. Yes Doug more political firebrand shareholder and Fortune 500 companies and now tycoon. Welcome to evening Exchange. Good to see you again. Thank you for the opportunity to be here. I want to thank you for inviting us. Some of the other media people are a little afraid to invite us on their program because they received monies from Pepco. Pepco has free reign of a local TV station but we don't. But it's your story. It's such an amazing story. A lot of people have either forgotten and never known of many of the accomplished since moments in your life. Let me just run down a few. You came from a home where your father was a principal Your mother was a schoolteacher. You got a very good education you got a Ph.D. in theology out of Boston University the same year Dr. Martin Luther King got his out both Boston University. You've attended the Sorbonne in France. You have taught in Africa for at least two years. You came

four years came back here and started to give everybody health side of the Black United Front here one of the founders of it back in 1968 you found it something called Black efforts for soul and television which is responsible for a lot of the first black and the air employees and television stations in this town. You ran for the city council in 1974 At-Large won by a wide margin of any At-Large candidate and then after you left the city council if nobody was reading the business pages of the newspaper. Doug Moore didn't exist however. Rudolph Piatt writing in the business section says that during that time Doug Moore had become a shareholder in several corporations and was going to shareholder meetings. What was the basis of that strategy. Well the basic the strategy was that John for example had the 83 pharmacy managers and I was a shareholder at Howard University who produce tape 200 in the past ten years. Amicis and not a

single manager. So I raised the question what why as you're having it. Secondly that was 1987. Yeah. Why don't you have any blacks on the board of directors. So they put a Harvard graduate as a promise manager not long after that. And secondly they finally got a black on the board of directors save them with Marryat. They never had a black eye to the gap. Mr. on it. So I bought them all. I told Mary out last year that they should put the present how on there. I taught at Lilly. They should have put the president out on that. They got a pharmacy division. I told Bristol Myers they should but the president of Housatonic other got of pharmaceutical division. A lot of things black ops take hypertension. And you know you went to Occidental Petroleum and told Armand Hammer the same thing that the man had to remove from from shareholders meeting. I was hoping they would have arrested him because then I could got some money but they got religion real quick. But he still doesn't have any blacks on his board of directors. And in his art book he doesn't have a single black artist. And you know that's my passion.

Black artists black artist is your passion but you also made giant do more than that they now have an internship program here with the Howard University Department of pharmacy and the university department wrote you a letter thanking Jurek for your efforts on its behalf and when I go to the Jide Now I do see black pharmacists around. But apparently this was a part of an overall strategy by you not only in part to raise those issues but also to get a look at business from the inside. You've been quoted as saying you don't know how much information you can get about a company when you were a shareholder. That's right. You find out what they're going to give up in terms of what they go on sale or you find out what companies divisions are in trouble. You find out a lot of information and by going to the shareholders meeting you get to see the CEO eyeball to eyeball. My favorite is General Electric. Now they have a big fun G E cap to fit the two billion dollar. I know that when I get ready to finalize my plan for trying to buy the first American bank I'm going to G-III no question about that. Why it

excuse me. Why again. Because they have to the two billion dollars and I think I can buy first America back for about 300 billion. That's not a lot of money. And you know it has six being worth with the assets and all the black banks put together have on a six billion. So if I'm successful in bad first America we will solve the problem of discrimination against black folks before we get to first American bank. You've also been quoted as saying you want to be the first black person to own a coal mine in the United States. What caused you to focus in on the energy business. Well that's something you can get around. Use it for industry. You can use it for your home need it for making chemicals and things like that you have to do. I learned that from my cousin when I was in France. So energy is fundamental. So I say every time for example you turn on electricity in Washington D.C. That's 2.2 billion worth of energy that goes out of the country because pericope own the BIOS code

for blacks out one black but they buy a said to me and I about the coal for white men 31 me and I with a coal white women. So that gives them 2.2 billion dollars worth of coal country and stability. These contract last for 18 years. So black business needs stability. I see where from the information you send about these Pepco contracts that a lot of these people who have contracts with Pepco have 12 years contracts with an option to renew for six years. The contract that Douglas more and more energy had with Pepco which was a five million dollar contract was a six year contract with no option to renew. Why didn't you get an option to read all the time Pepco said that was policy. But when I went to federal Energy Regulatory Commission headquarters down in North capice street I saw that there were contracts being renewed. So I wrote the Public Service Commission and letter and asked them about this. Pepco was on

November the 11th on December 3rd. Pepco responded and said that Douglas what was preferential treatment. But the public service commission discovered Bedworth third that not only had Pepco renewed Kooning brother that's 500000 tons of coal 18 years contract but they had two others. Now let's be clear for our viewers about what this means when you have an means when you have an option to renew and you choose to renew it means you don't have to submit your contract to the competitive bidding process. They say you asked for the same privilege that these other companies had. Pepco told you that it would violate the policy. You went and built a lot of research and you've been doing a lot of research as you've gotten into this business and found out that it was not a violation of Pippa's policy. And so you can only conclude that they did this because you were black. No question. Our DC is 41 percent of PepsiCo's revenue base but 95 percent of all of Pepco coal contracts go to white men and white women. They got a black company down in Fayetteville that has about

4.5 percent. But in terms of the dollar value in this city we get absolutely nothing now. And Mr. Sterling when he was running for Congress he said I bring federal dollars back to Maryland but D.C. has absolutely nothing. Whose fault is that. The mayor Pepco city council public service commission. Let's start with the mirror. The mirror used to be vice president for public relations for Pepco. You have pointed out not only this information but also that there are race racial discrimination lawsuits pending against Petko that involved their class action suit so they involve large numbers of employees. This is virtually the first time we're hearing about this. Is this because the mayor when she was with Pepco did such a good job. I don't know whether she did such a good job but I do know that there are a thousand people that have filed suit against Pepco for discrimination. I wonder what was the man doing during this time. It's in Judge

Lambros court in the district federal court. So where was she also when the man who talked about disadvantaged businesses that man did not put Pepco in. And now they come with some stuff like. Well you know I don't want to be involved at Pepco but when she goes to a fundraiser for the Democratic Party Pepco was there when she goes to New York City for a fund raise she calls Pepco which she has a fat cat bank which you know last year tempco was and so was I. I'm a skinny cat. I wish you were too loud to use it. So the man cannot tell us she's not involved in Pepco cause she takes money from them. What does the nature of the blame that can be attributed to the city council. Well Mr. Frank Smith and others have been sitting on the on this thing about have been accountable to the district and founded they came up with a small disadvantage. But they had nothing in there about utilities. Though the District government pays

Pepco 50 million dollars a year for electricity school board. Eight million dollars. So there is no contract there. Secondly if Pepco had a contract message your document this afternoon which says there is no contract with the D.C. gun with Pepco bought how many small black businesses would love to get 50 million dollars a year and don't have to go through the hoops by the contract. That's law. And that's what the city council says. Take a look at this. California has a law of the state of California has a law. Long Beach California has a long look as well as a law. Look at our monitor and tell us what is it that I'm looking at. It says call contracts and no D.C. contracts as part of the part of Pepco. It says that the red mark says that 45 percent of our coal Peppe revenue comes from black folks and churches. You look up to the laugh or you see a place in Cleveland Ohio that has a big contract you see a place in Crescent Pennsylvania. They have 500000

tons of coal. You've got free PBS a British firm. They have five hundred thousand tons of coal for 10 years. You have thousand metal and then the coal mines and these places about them. And they have a contract and then there's a one line of Virginia Beach you know Commissioner Newsome brought up the question that they know coal mines of Virginia Beach that along on the court she's not on the commission not called the mayor decided on PepsiCo's behalf to accept. So because she took a hard line about black businesses. Now the mayor has gotten a woman who just finished law school. But don't. But anyway on the final thing there are you have a copy of the Virginia Beach you no coal mines there but that's Courtney food. He's had a whole contract for 18 years. So then if you look at the other monitor you see 95 percent of pet cold coal contract go to white. That is two white males 171 million tons of dollars a year. White females through it. Now there's a black guy that and flatboat you know where they got the slave status the slave

slave was exhibit exhibit in the world on the statement that he is there he has for million. His contract is for 18 years also. OK. Now what is and of course people will have the opportunity to respond to all of these charges. And I'm sure you'll be happy to meet them one on one any day. Mr. NHIN any day. Don't worry about that later. Difference with Washington. Guess that more energy resources gets a contract. Ten years. A hundred and forty million dollars to supply natural gas that you will be bringing by pipeline from Houston Texas to here and becomes your property. You then sell it to Washington Gas at a profit. What's the difference with with Washington I guess it's the CEO Mr. Donlon high who was the CEO at that time had a policy. And also they have a very fine man who's head of Cuban named Frank Holloway. Mr. Holloway who is an excellent person and I worked with him for five years before we did this because the tide just went right for a to change some rules but then they made a

decision. Also this is something to. Washington Gas side the fair share agreement in ACP Pepco has never signed. Mrs. Dixon at the time said that the reading of meeting in se that they were a signatory to that agreement that she had to backtrack cause they weren't and they still have not signed just a piece of paper by the NAACP. They say you believe that blacks should have of them six percent of all of their gas. And also it's competitive. So Pepco runs around telling people so you have to protect the shareholders right. You've got to protect the city. I don't want to subject himself to some competitive bid competitive. Well you know they talk about that I want preferential treatment. But if you look at those figures up there who got the preference. And one other thing. OK what does this put you in a position to be to do. It's my understanding that once you got that contract your phone started ringing from banks which had previously refilled. Bush refused loans.

Well I've gotten all kinds of banks call me gas companies calling me who want me to market their gas or we have a contract for it and I feel like very competitive. Very competitive. Also one of the beautiful things happen is that I had two days calling me about this. We've never seen any blacks in this city so I've taken time and still take time with young black entrepreneurs by the way let me tell you this is my contribution to black out of yours and by Vernon Jordan Mr. Jordan all you have to do is ask Mr. Clinton to enforce not a 5 5 0 7 section 211 of the Small Business Act which says that it is about who has a contract over $500000 has to have a plan that's an executive order. Have a czar over. By the way. You are great. You have a great mother. We look and do great things for us. That's the Reverend Douglas Moore I'm afraid we're out of time in this segment. But we want you to know not only

what he is doing now but what you are likely to see him and hear about him doing in the future. And obviously his conflict with Pepco isn't over. And you are likely to see more about that right here on evening Exchange. Thanks once again for joining us. Later in our program we'll talk to renowned skin care specialist Georgette Klinger. Up next a look inside the Nation of Islam with WRC TV reporter Joe Johns. My.

Welcome back if you've been anyplace close to the planet Earth you certainly know that. Next week

marks the world premiere of Spike Lee's new film Malcolm X. The production of this movie that has generated tremendous interest in the Nation of Islam. On Wednesday WRC TV will present a special report on the nation. Joining us now is the reporter on that story Joe Johns. Joe good to have you on. Evening Exchange. Good to be here thanks for inviting me. What brought this up besides the movie. Well 100 things I think I can tell you that back in August I was at the National Association of Black Journalists Convention in Detroit. Spike came to show clips of the movie. And they had told us all to be there an hour ahead of time of course I got there about 15 minutes ahead of time and was discovered and was shocked to discover that I couldn't get in. There were so many people there to see clips of the movie and hear Spike talk about it and I thought to myself There is tremendous interest in the nation of Islam and Malcolm X. obviously you know I can tell you 100 other stories I can tell you of a visit I took to Jerusalem in 1983 and found that wherever I

went in the Arab quarters the Muslims seemed to open their arms to me as as a friend of theirs even though they knew I was foreign and from somewhere else. And it goes. So you weren't just interested generally in it. I seem to recollect that you had an altercation with some guards from the Nation of Islam of Islam out of fear man's role of 18th of 1988. April. That was way back then. That's right name wrong. I know. And 1980. Did that have any influence on your decision at all. Well yeah that was the beginning of the dope busters here in Washington. It was an experiment that was launched by the Nation of Islam to try to clean up the neighborhood to get rid of the drugs and the violence there. And as it happened myself and our cameraman Harry Davis who now runs the broadcast factory Manhattan. That's right. We were there and Harry recorded actual pictures of this as it occurred. And then I came along and tried to get my camera out his camera which had been confiscated and we got into a little issue.

But it all turned out all right and I think the pictures really changed the debate here in Washington about how far you go to stop the drug problem in Washington. And I think it turned into a good debate for the city and so yes that resulted in a sudden high level of cooperation between the Fruit of Islam and the D.C. police department of that nature I mentioned. So some good did develop out of this. A lot of good in the Nation of Islam for a lot of people obviously carries a certain mystique. What level of cooperation did you get from members and spokespersons and officers of the nation. It has been rough and we are still tussling with that. Even at this late date the public events are public. For instance about a month ago I'd say Saviour's Day is held in Atlanta Georgia a convocation inside the Georgia Dome with fifty five thousand people who came to hear Minister Farrakhan and other members of the Nation of Islam fifty five

fifty five thousand and you would estimate I've heard. We went there. We went there. We recorded the entire program talked to people inside and outside. We've had dialogue we have it has been hard to get inside if you will the Nation of Islam yesterday for instance I went to the mosque meeting at the mosque number four out on Kenilworth Avenue. I was invited there by Minister schönbrunn came and sat and listened to try to get a feel and that's what that's all of what we've been trying to do to get a feel of the Nation of Islam. But it's important to mention and more and more as I go along that while the Nation of Islam is the most visible and sometimes the loudest voice among members of the Nation of Islam in our area there are many other groups families of Muslims in the in the Washington metropolitan area that somehow or other have

to be addressed in this dialogue. When you talk about Islam in the United States because they are not members of the Nation of Islam itself many of them favor various forms of orthodox Islam. Some might be Sunni Some might be something else but they all practice their religion in the Washington area and many of them worship at the Islamic center on Massachusetts Avenue. So you've got to try to include those people you know in your state and it's very difficult because it's such a big story you know and you know the central tenet you know where it where it all starts there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is His Messenger. Right. It begins with this. But it can go in many different directions and you can talk to 100 people and everyone may have just a little different feel for what Islam is. That's very difficult to convey in a news broadcast to three minutes.

Let's talk about the controversial figures here for a second. Were you able to get an interview with Minister Farrakhan. No. We've been putting in that request. But and we hope we may still get it. There is still time we get one from time to time here on the stage. Not too often how about the national spokesman minister Hadley interview minister Abdul Ali Mohamed. That was two months ago when we first got into this thing. We were working on a story at that time about Iran also called Immunex Lindi the controversial AIDS drug. So we talked to him at some length about his role in that and other things. Right now I'm told he is out of the country. OK how about some of the other controversial aspects of the Nation of Islam one of them that Spike Lee and everybody is intrigued about how he's going to handle this in this film is who killed Malcolm X and under what circumstances does the series deal with that extremely touchy question. Frankly no. And I will tell you this though last week I went through

and filled out all the red tape to get into what is called the FBI Freedom of Information reading room where they have us a file that must be a yard tall or more probably more on Alija. And three times that I think on Malcolm X and it just goes on and on and on and I realized that I should focus my story more on one what is the Nation of Islam in the Washington area. Because to branch out in that direction. Wow. It makes fascinating reading. I'm not so sure that with the resources I have I'll ever be able to answer that question with any certainty. It's a very difficult question for a television reporter to do who has to do stories for the news every day at the same time. The other touchy subject and I have seen Minister Abdullah

Mohammad on our local cable access channel here in the District of Columbia attempting to explain to a few of his followers the whole notion of the black scientist named Yacoub who supposedly created right people. Are you going to deal with that at all. Well we talked a little bit today with Sean with canebrake he has an attorney right. Actually he's a school teacher school. He ran for school boy. That's right. And we talked a little bit with him about that. And again it is it's I think an element of the philosophy of some of the central beliefs we dealt more of when we were talking about whites in the United States. Let's clear up some of these questions about anti-Semitism. Let's clear up. Let's talk about the issue of the white person in America being a devil. And that's the direction we went. We didn't deal too much with the grafting

although we obviously are familiar with it through the literature. Let me get back to the FBI files for a second because in those days when the FBI had very close surveillance on the nation and its founder the Honorable Elijah Muhammad and Malcolm X was a time when the FBI defined the nation as a subversive organization and a security risk. As you look at those files do you get the impression that the FBI is now taking a different approach to the Nation of Islam despite the controversy surrounding Minister Farrakhan speech. That's very difficult to say because I asked whether Minister Farrakhan's FBI field file was available and I couldn't get a hold of it because right now Minister Farrakhan is of course a living man and they won't give those. The second thing I did of course was ask for mine because what they know about me. That's right. But you get it. I asked for it and there wasn't. I don't know whether I'm going to get better at this or not. Yeah I don't know whether there is one on me as a matter of fact but I've always been reluctant to do that.

I have assumed that because of past activity as an activist that there was one on me and I guess I'm a bit curious but I've never actually taken the step of asking to see. Well from what I can see if you want to know all you have to do is go down there to the reading room and fill out a little form and they'll tell you whether there's a file on you and presumably give you give you what's there. But back to your question about the Nation of Islam and how they deal it it's very hard to say. You have to imagine though that a man as controversial as Louis Farrakhan certainly has from time to time come into the eye of the FBI certainly because of his dealings with Khadafi and others and other things he has said that the United States government has been watching Which raises another issue which I'm sure somebody in our viewing audience would bring up so I'd better go to the telephone. But that issue is the credibility of the FBI when it comes to matters having to do with black nationalist in general and the Nation of Islam in particular. Caller Thank you for waiting. You are

now on the air. Go ahead please. I would like that. Well a lot. I don't believe that radical. I hope both were very happy about that. Well nobody ever accused the radical black of assassinating Dr. King but we know that they are radical black. That may not be the same. For example we know where they are. You know that the government will pay it back or what any one day. But the spokesman actually at that time was about Europeans. Well they had a vision that they took. I can only say that on this show Betty Shabazz has said that she thinks it's a combination of both the government and whoever else was involved.

But the files are very interesting when you read them in that regard because there are there's a lot of documentation in there where Malcolm X talks about fear of an attack from someone within the Nation of Islam. But you know who knows how all of that would have played out in the end result I should. Exactly right. And I don't know if Spike knows but we're still about to find out. Let's go back to the telephone you were on the air caller. Go ahead please. It was common practice that are actually involved in that. And when I did that he was the government. I haven't time to commit. Well the point think that they should have been great. I was eight and I was going to pay. And

I asked them that time in Puerto Rico what happened. Why did you kill not one of the top echelon. Well when the OK thank you for your contribution. What I find more fascinating than ever is that I think Malcolm X is more it seems popular in death than he ever was in life and of course his writings influenced a lot of black nationalism and he was very controversial when he was alive. But I guess it fascinates you and others would bring these stories about how interested people are in Malcolm today. Well this is a time when I think that African-Americans have become increasingly frustrated with the state of affairs. And it runs through the economic policies of this government over the past several years to a hundred different things. And in in a time where rage is increasing it's not surprising to me

that they would turn to the teachings of a man who for much of his public life was a very angry man certainly was back to the telephone you're on the air. Caller go ahead please. Yeah I'm like that with H. And Minister Farrakhan has said numerous times that he is misunderstood and misquoted when it comes to issues of anti-Semitism. I believe his words have been that if one of the quotes we always hear is that Hitler was a great man. Minister Farrakhan has said before that what he said was Hitler was a great but evil man. And there's a great difference in that great in the sense that he was able to amass a huge

German army a huge industrial complex that could do what it did. Nonetheless he says Hitler was still an evil man. So this is one example of Minister Farrakhan saying he is misquoted when he was in Atlanta for instance a huge controversy developed about whether the mayor should recognize him and give him one of the little pieces of paper correlations right proper commissions whether the mayor should do that and Minister Farrakhan when he came into the city said what he wanted most at that time was to sit down with the Jewish leaders and talk about him and talk about his record and do it out in the open so that everyone could hear it. So he was not as interested in the day being proclaimed Louis Farrakhan as same as he was to sit down and talk with the Jewish leaders about this controversy. Right. So I think you'd have to look at the story and

see how it comes out. On my part because I never have any idea what people are going to say or what they will conclude after they see a story. I try to just sort of convey what here's what people say and draw your own conclusion. Back to the telephone you're on the air caller go ahead please. Oh ok. I know that people. Know. Me people like me. Have. Really. Viewed. Nation of Islam. Which I found interesting. I hope your report is. Addressed that in the black community. There are so many different and varying opinions in the nation that is not. Just as. One people. I have some very young. People. When I quote. RMX they have totally different. Opinions and mock. My best friends that. Were up and down and a white man actually walked up to kill. Him. So much. Of it is like legend and so much of it is back. This time freak out. And you're going to the actual black meaning. What. What. Painting is not what. I get. There's a there's a

dual nature to the Nation of Islam. On the one hand many African-Americans I should say envy. They like the sense of discipline that the Nation of Islam has with it the sense of self-determination the own your own part of the Nation of Islam that the sense of looking good of eating right all of these things are very positive. Now the things that a lot of African-Americans and others have a harder time dealing with are the the allegations of anti-Semitism or the allegations that white people are devils and these these things conflict and fight against each other and that is that's probably part of the reason there aren't more people involved in one of the fundamental differences it says between responses in the black and white communities is that there is an absence of fear in the black community.

This is for the Nation of Islam and that's much different in the white community which obviously very often feels threatened by the nation its leadership and its members back to the telephone calling you on the air. Go ahead please. Yes. First I'd like to commend Joe Johns for doing the story. Also I would like to know how he could get people like the television station let him get his story ha you know I got I figured somebody would call and ask that. But the truth of it is that you know I had this I had this idea in my mind probably even before the before I went to the NABJ convention. And then when I my producers one time we were sitting down talking about project ideas and I gave them three or four ideas one was a medical idea one was an investigative idea and I said but I tell you what all my friends are talking my friends the people I know are talking about Malcolm and Spike and they seemed to go along with that. You know we we got a new director of news over at our

station not too long ago and he heard it and said he liked it. And so that's why go for it. Yeah. Back to the telephone you're on the air caller. Go ahead please. Yeah. I have place if we can. Alchemy. What are you doing. You want to be able to explain back. They see the sheet every time. And humble about what you want to be. That exit would actually be like. Well I don't want to give away the whole story but it would it would probably be unfair and commercial of me not to say right now what the X is the Xs excommunicating yourself is casting off the name of your slave masters. And but I think that I think that

is an element of the story that should be included in some way back to the cell phone calling you on the air go ahead please. Right. You were widely regarding the question. Are you treating them well as an Uncle Tom that's highly regarded in that one household having the clout. No. And let me tell you it this is an interesting this is an interesting question and I think it should be addressed. African-Americans who work in the mainstream media are are widely distrusted I think and I think it's a valid question. If that is true if that is true then I regret it. Nonetheless if people watch my stories I think they come across with a sense that I am fair to people. And I asked to do this series because I felt that some of my colleagues in the African-American

media in the white media who were African-Americans or afraid to deal with an issue like this because it is delicate and sensitive. And I think that you'll just have to watch and see. Well our caller also needs to know that at these National Association of Black Journalist Conventions and that there are local meetings one of the most frequently discussed topics is the difficulty that people like Joe Johns have in predominantly white newsrooms of getting across their suggestions and ideas for shows that would be of interest to the African-American community. So this is a small but one of many small victories that people like Joe Johns when in those newsrooms. And I for one resent you calling him a top. Back to the telephone calling you on the air. Go ahead please. Good evening Cojo. John I understand that the Nation of Islam under the leadership of violent Muhammad is taking the legal route to the world court demanding reparations for blacks in America is just going to cover that.

Well I heard about this today as a matter of fact I got a telephone call and someone was discussing this with me. It's it's something to think about I have not done an interview on the subject Nonetheless I'm familiar with the name of Silas Muhammad and his work. Fred we are out of time in this segment. Thank you very much Joe Johns for joining us and good luck on your special report how to take care of your face and skin with items that may already be in your kitchen. Up next. Stay with us. Welcome back to those people all around the world who know about these things. Our next guest is

considered the dean of skin care. She is famous for a skin care process that uses fresh natural products. She has been taking care of faces from around the world for over 50 years. Georgette Klinger opened her first facial salon in New York City in 1940 and now has eight salons across the country. One recently opened on Wisconsin Avenue in the Chevy Chase section of Northwest Washington. Welcome to evening Xchange happy. Now let's forget about all of these other people and talk about the men because it is my understanding that since you have started your men's line of products you have 25 percent one quarter of the customers going into your salons are men badly. I hope that it will grow to be more than that. We enjoy them and it's a wonderful experience for them too. They need that. Not only that Carol it's the skin but I like sation. They work very hard and they're exhausted usually by the time they get in

and they won't call it fresh and they mean by a red flash than to totally relaxed. We're going to get a lot of telephone calls presumably for women in the segment that's why I'm getting in all of the men questions. First black men in particular suffer from a skin problem technically called pseudo follicular lights but it has to do with a kind of razor bumps it's really in-grown here that makes it very agonizing for them to shave and as a result some grow beards. I know that you feel that every client has to be handled and analyzed individual ups. Is there a kind of generalized treatment for that problem. The problem is that they shave it on the it's not only black men or white men have the same problem. They don't go with a head as it grows the hair it grows in a certain direction or you must grow wispy. I see it. And this is a gross. You cannot go

against it if you go against it in a different direction. They inflame and you get the problem and ingrown hair appear. So you have to be sure that I'm going to demonstrate that myself. I don't have that yet right either. But you did and will. Shaving it exactly as you will have grow not against it. Don't do these. This is as usually men do. This is the problem. That's why they have grown. And and what do you do for them. It's just like the next one will take it to the router and take it out and then that the head may grow back in a different direction. So never go in this direction but the hair grows in that direction that it actually goes and that was it important for those of us who have children your teen life is also very

important because you know acne has ruined as many as. And it's not necessarily It is not so lonely not as it is usually happens all the skins and 80 percent I would say children have special improved but as they go to 17 15 in defense. The good news is they all have challenges luncher changes and overworking or good these all but working and they have to then move the sword from the skin so that fresh fun can come in and not interfere. And how do they do a movie that would be your best. Yes. All right. There's a movie it is a special cleanser. If you have very oily skin cleansers for very oily skin if it's a normal skin you use it in my cleanser. If it's a dry skin you use dry skin but it doesn't usually And it happens

that they will have dry skin and not an oily skin. And if they do have a dry skin they never get it. It's usually the gland over simple but that's I certainly knew about it when I was a teenager and the cosmopolitan writer Helen Gurley Brown has said that if your teen line was out when she was a teenager she would have had a much better life as a teen. I know we have a lot of people waiting on the phone and we do want to tell you about herbal essentials so hopefully we'll get the opportunity to do that during one of these phone calls is now your turn. Caller you're on the air. Go ahead please. What I'm trying to find out Cojo. I would have to look at her issue. But what I want to do is I hope that both right and I have said it and I have done everything. Heart is psoriasis. I've done everything I can. But it's not all bad.

But then it did happen. Did you get it all started. Oh we've lost the caller what what can be lost. What does that have to do with what Soledad says. Yes this age at which the caller got. It happens it's people who get highly strung who are highly strung and nervous. And they sing which they would eat or due to their skin be sensitive already which is so wrong for them to do. The skin usually is open. It gets quite dry and depending on what day you send it to you but it can be it can be treated it can tell us a little bit about both essentials. This is my daughter's pet. She's the one who made that up as saying.

So we should tell our viewers that your daughter Catherine is not in running the company. There are parts of the party or the company but you are not retired and you're not about to retire now. OK. She's very much involved and very talented aren't they. And she felt to the birds. Well dogs have a healing effect on the skin and it does certain certain that it's very healing. It's you know it's they can get into it or it's ekster and others are very good for their head with the General Lee but you can't use herbal powder for Skins. It's not enough. It is not enough for the Skins. It's fine for dry and sensitive skin but not for oily skin. Let's go back to the telephone you're on the air. Caller go ahead please. Good evening Joe. They look very pretty good for you right now.

Chin and I also have a very dry mouth but that's what you have to have treatments and you shouldn't use very harsh harsh products shampoos tried to use my shampoos and not don't wash your hair every day with the natural that or is them on the beach suffered some that Americans over really clean. They don't. I for instance use my shampoo once a week not more. But the Americans all Americans will use it at least three times a week or two every day and that's very drying. No matter how soft the shampoo is and how come for instance it's very good for it but don't wash your hair every day. It's not good for you scarf and it's good for you but also uses it also loses the shine. Just a lovely cabbage patch.

Back to the telephone you're on the air. Caller go ahead. Oh she asked about a double chin too. She says I'm sorry the double chin is the push to your foot. I don't know what you would do if you type all to. What is your profession. But keep your chin up. Don't hang it down or you can help it by using a bandage. And to wrap it up for until you get into the habit of looking up instead of looking down so much back to the telephone you're on the air. Caller go ahead please. Oh this is me. Yes. Hi you happen to get to tell me man night what my husband from I'm really proud that you have a lot of fun. And I have to use an electric razor and use one of those little phrases. What do you read the radiator.

Believe me it's been years ago and people solve this problem. Interestingly enough does that mean that there are places that he was using with the wrong direction. That is exactly what was happening. But you have to go in the right direction. That's the answer. We solved that problem quickly back to the telephone you're on the air. Caller go ahead please. Hi. You have anything on. Is this treatment or is a lock on anything. Come on come on come on don't go yet call or would you say that again. That's a lot. Why can't why you know that that is out of my. Those job to take care of it and find out the cause of it. After you studied dermatology in Europe and then came here you said that you find that a lot of dermatologists only want to hear the surface and

that your method is different because it is what is underneath the skin that's most important. But bimetal I have studied quite a long time before I've been in skincare and I found that the economic condition which I had. So that's why. And it is just they kept the skin gets you have an oily skin if you will remove the oil. So with the oil oily glance it's working overtime and it's a low seed to go through the ports and and not to not to clog at them. So you have to move in or the skin has to be cleansed it needs sleep. That's why we have the pets that cleansing pads to carry men or women carry them. And during the day they go over very easily no matter what they do. But

their profession is just the lens the skin. So the oil which comes out of the oil Gallant's one club for sub There is no way for them to go back to the telephone you're on the air. Caller go ahead please. Yes. Can you tell me what the case will start at or what the pricing will be. I'm sorry what is the average cost for a facial area. George a Klingon salon. Well it's better it's because. When I sing It's fifty fifty five dollars for an hour treatment. I'm not really sure because the judge says that marriage should be part of the country. Yes. And it's a question of how much should be done. It's over in order to harvest some surface Pilling is done at times which is a little while ago you and your daughter were talking about

the possibility of locating in some major department stores but you apparently changed your mind. I didn't like the idea at all. Never liked them. They don't mean to you and that nearly nearly ready to go. And then the last minute that's No. Because I don't want to be on a mission basis any of that I don't want my product to be published. But even to be true for each type of skin that you can't do that. So back to the telephone caller you're on the air. Go ahead please. I'm out happy here here here here. And I notice that there is some tension of my hearing and the crown might have to pay for that but you probably you would sing it stronger although the shampoo must be not a good thing.

But you can do is massage your own scarf in two different direction. You go on and on. When does it end. So there were scup and all over. Can you see me shaking and do that every single day for a few minutes needs to stimulate stimulate the glances. And don't use any heavy products or dies on your head. You have said that the hair care is essential to the whole body good skin. Yes it should not touch the face. That's what it's about. Oh I think it never at night. At least not yet. You have beautiful rehab and it should be long. That's what you like to do. It's fun. You're doing that day but at night take it and put it up so it doesn't touch you skin. Georges Klinger thank you very much. I love our show for tonight. Our thanks to all of our guests and to you of course for joining us tonight.

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