thumbnail of Harvard Book Store; WGBH Forum Network; Mary Catherine Bateson: Composing a Further Life
Transcript
Hide -
If this transcript has significant errors that should be corrected, let us know, so we can add it to FIX IT+
And so tonight I'm pleased to welcome author Mary Catherine Bateson who is with us to discuss her newest book composing a further life the age of active wisdom. I'm composing a further life Publisher's Weekly writes picking up where she left off in opposing a life anthropologist Bateson interviews six older individuals from a retired Maine boat yard worker to Jane Fonda who've accomplished most of their life goals but actively seek new and satisfying ways to live robust lives. Adulthood too as Bateson calls this period is characterized by the wisdom cold from long lives and rich experience combined with freedom with freedom from day to day responsibilities of work and raising children. Life in the stage is an improvisational art form calling for imagination and the willingness to learn. Her book is a deep meditation on the value of longevity and inspiring testimony to the power and possibilities that come with growing older. Miss Bates and retired in 2002 as professor in an anthropology in English at George Mason University. She's been a scholar in residence of the Radcliffe Institute taught for three years of the Harvard Graduate School of Education and is now a visiting scholar
at Boston's Boston College Center on Aging and work from 1989 to 2009 she was president of the Institute for intercultural studies in New York City a nonprofit founded by her mother Margaret Mead. Previous works include peripheral Vision's learning along the way full circles overlapping lives culture and generation transition and willing to learn passages of personal discovery. We are thrilled to have her with us is evenings we please join me in welcoming Mary Catherine Bateson. Thank you. Good evening. Thank you all for coming. I am. Almost certain that 20 years ago when composing a life came out I did a reading at this bookstore. That was twenty years ago.
And I'm going to start this evening with a paragraph from composing a life. This is an old cover the new and new edition. Do you have composing a life in stock. OK. The new coverage much better. That's the one hold up. It's a Vermeer painting. Composing a life opened with this paragraph. This is a study of five artists in gauged in that act of creation that engages us all. The composition of our lives. Each of us has worked by improvisation discovering the shape of our creation along the way rather than pursuing a vision
already defined. Well at the point where I wrote this book I'd already been working in one way or another with life histories for quite a while because my first teaching job was teaching Arabic at Harvard. True but I went to Erik Erikson and volunteered to be a section person and his course on the human life cycle. And I tell that story in this book it was something I decided to do after they get the Kennedy assassination. I thought you know linguistics is a lot of fun. That's what my pick for e was linguistics and Middle Eastern Studies. But I want to get a little closer to people's lives. So I went to Eric and volunteered to teach in the course and retooled as an anthropologist instead of a linguist.
And that's what I've been doing ever since. So I went back to the title composing for this book because I realized that once again it was a situation comparable to the situation that women were in when I wrote composing a life. A new wave feminism was having a very considerable effect on people's lives. They were trying to work out how to combine careers and families in new ways. And so they were rethinking their lives. And everybody had this terrible metaphor of
juggling. Remember you heard about that have all the things we have to juggle our children and our jobs and the groceries and getting the house repaired and all that stuff. And. I don't know actually I can't literally juggle you offer me the metaphor of juggling and it fills me with anxiety. What am I going to drop first of all I'm going to drop my child or my self. I thought well how do we put how do we put all these different commitments together and honor all of them. And I've also had to deal with interruptions. My husband took a job overseas. One career ended and I started another and having babies is something of an interruption. That a
lot of women experience. OK discontinuity. Now ironically the title of my dissertation about pre-Islamic Arabic poetry was structural continuity in Arabic poetry so continuities been itching my head for all my life I guess so. So I look for a metaphor and I look to people that I felt did a beautiful job of filling the different roles that they had as women. And gracefully moving from stage to stage when there were discontinuity has to be dealt with.
Actually the first person who was my example for this was Joan Erickson the wife of Eric Erickson. And he kept moving and she kept creating these beautiful homes. And she had her own research projects and published a number of books and of course worked very hard on his books. You know that that that line in the acknowledgement and my wife has helped me. Well. And it was from Joan that I got the idea of composition of you've got these different demands and you find a way of integrating them arranging them so that instead of competing with each other your. The way you meet each commitment is reinforced or
enriched by what you're doing in relation to the others and you can think about composing. Like an artist composing a still life or like that of Vermeer painting which turns out to have all sorts of details with symbolic significance in them all elegantly composed on the canvas. Or you can think about it in relation to music where you have different more movements. I have a symphony various themes are established they weave in and out they may be restated later on. The tempo changes right. So you both have between the the movements of such a composition you both have kinds of continuity but you also have surprises and and shifts over time.
OK. And people kept saying to me women kept saying to me. I never seem to stick to anything I'm always having to share from one task to would mother. I must be some kind of Della taunt. So. During the era when we were all meeting in consciousness raising groups and trying to understand where we were going as women I came up with this metaphor of composing and what I want to say to you is we are in a time like that again. You know 30 years were
added to law average life expectancy in this country in the 20th century. And in a real sense that change has not sunk in. We are at a time where we need a new consciousness raising because when I was growing I'm I'm 70. OK. So when I was growing up I looked around at older people and I came to certain conclusions about what it was like to be certain ages. And I read story books in which there were grandparents and things like that. And I acquired a whole set
of ideas about what people do in the later years of life that are obsolete they're obsolete. So in order to make the best of those years we have to incorporate this the knowledge of this change get rid of the stereotypes. You know there's a lot of Ages of them in this country. A lot of prejudice against you know in that wrinkle. The first wrinkle is the disaster in the first white hair you pull it out and quick wit got a dye job. I'm like most of human history in which elders have been few and precious. And just
parents that are CLE. We now have the research showing that among species not just the human species but deer for instance among species that are social that live together in the presence of long lived post reproductive individuals enhanced says the survival possibilities for all the young born into the flock or herd or whatever it is right. This is the phenomenon called inclusive fitness. Your survival. Post reproductive but the members of the group are kin to each other and sell. The future offspring are sharing many of the same
genes also going to produce some elders who were going to help them know where to find food at the time of drought. For instance or when the snow is very deep or what have you. And we have the data from anthropology to comparing communities with different patterns of where people live. People talk about the grandmother hypothesis. It turns out that in this is Sidey where people live near the maternal grandmother primarily although their paternal grandparents also make a difference. More infants survive with a comparable environment and subsistence economy. Of course there's someone who's been through it and she it's her own daughter.
They trust each other if they learn from each other to compare things they innovate and they resist innovation. It's collaborative. However as I say we have a prejudice against aging in this country. I think partly has to do with being an immigrant society. So that very often people brought the oldest members of a family to arrive didn't fully learn English didn't fully adjust and it was their children who were new better than they did however so live in the new community. And that's that's part of our prejudice. But I have to tell you I remember during the women's movement discovery hearing myself saying things like but I don't talk to women that parties they just talk about housekeeping. The men are more
interesting. Anybody remember why you here you heard yourself say that and said wait a minute. OK. My godmother went into an assisted living and I went to visit or she'd been there a couple of weeks. And I asked her Have you made some good friendships. And she said she said oh OK I think everyone here is so deteriorated. Well they weren't any more deteriorated that she was at a lot of it was superficial you know. But every single liberation movement of the 20th century in this country civil rights movement women's movement gay
liberation handicapped disability movement I has involved people getting rid of internalized prejudices and assumptions. So it seemed to me it was time for another composing book. And just to show you that there is such a thing as continuity or reach of this. I like to think of men and women as artists of their own lives. Working with what comes to hand through accident or talent to compose and recompose a pattern in time that
expresses who they are and what they believe in making meaning even as they are studying and working and raising children creating and recreating themselves just as the use of a new room in the house depends on what is already there in the lives and relationships and possessions of the owners. The use of a new stage in the life cycle is related to what came before. Ideally related in a way that is more than a sum of parts but rather an inclusive composition of grace and truth. It is often only in its final pages that a story reveals its meaning. So the choice is made in later decades may reflect light back on earlier years. If this is
indeed a helpful way of looking at lives if lives are composed somewhat like works of art partly planned and partly improvised then it is not enough to study what people do in retirement. But essential also to study the relationship between what they do in retirement and what they did before a relationship which as in an artistic composition may contrast or complete or reframe what came earlier may be both profoundly surprising and surprisingly apt. Like the faces of wise and loving elders lives so composed may be beautiful. One of the things that that brought me and a parenthesis
here practically speaking what we have done with better health care and increased knowledge of how to care for different problems producing this increased life expectancy and remember it also means fewer babies dying fewer winning women dying in childbirth and so on and so forth. But there's no question that the proportion of people in the population living to Lavery years is rapidly increasing. And the first thing you have to realize is that we haven't tagged yours at the end. We've inserted them
right. When people first heard around the turn of the century there was a lot of talk about longevity they said my God I'm going to be old for 20 extra years. Well that's not how it works. I don't like to put a number as to when second adulthood begins is different for different people. And it what it ends is different for different people. But what we have done effectively is to insert a period in the life cycle when people are not in perfect health but they're in pretty darn good health compared to where they would have been a hundred years ago and engaged and have a little more elbow room than before and are not desperately
impoverished. Well when I was acquiring all my prejudices that was the 60s and Michael Harrington wrote a book called The Other America remember that. And do you remember that the elderly were one of the. Largest and most significant categories of desperate poverty and people living on dog food centrally. And we've gotten beyond that. In addition to the public health and health care advances that have been made. OK. So but as is so often the case. We haven't changed our assumptions. You know retirement with a pension was essentially invented
by Bismarck at the turn of the 20th century and for four employees of the German civil service. And they were going to be able to retire with a pension at 70. And about a decade later they moved it down to 65. But there weren't very many people that retired with that pension. And when they did retire with that pension they were named great shape and they didn't last for very long. OK. But we still have exactly that range between just 65 and 70 that we think of as retirement age although the actual situation of the people concerned has changed radically in that period.
When I was a little kid I asked someone I found a dead bird to lead to a conversation about death and I said How long do people live. And somebody quoted to me the ninetieth son in which is says that the years of a man's life are threescore years and ten and I remember the conversation because I didn't know what score meant means 20 as you all know. So there is this psalm that was written maybe 3000 years ago. That says people lived to the age of 70. Not true. It was an aspiration not an average. I and of course were almost 10 years above that as an average. So we've gone through history thinking that people dying
prematurely. And yet in a curious way one of the things I learned working on this book was how much people who are oh. In this period that I call second adulthood they make choices they look at their life so far they think about what was right about it that they want to continue what was wrong about it that they want to get rid of. How can they adapt. What will they do next. One of my favorite. There's more than eight people in this book by the way because I interviewed couple so I've got both halves of the couples. One of my favorite people that I interviewed was a man named Hank Lawson
who went straight from high school into the Navy where he was trained in servicing big diesel engines. He was down in the hole you know. And then he worked all his life in a boat yard again servicing repairing yachts and boats and so on in Maine and he were tired and his wife and he sat out in an RV traveling across the country visiting people that he had gotten to know as boat owners because it turned out that Hank like people and he used his work on these boats as a way of a stablished a relationship with writers scientists all sorts of people. And they ended up. In a way a retirement trailer camp
near Tucson Arizona which has craft shops where people can work occupational therapy you're thinking Well Hank. Went to the silversmith's shop got interested in working with silver and brought all his knowledge of working with metals fashioning things and metals soldering and so on to the silversmith's shop. I started making wonderful jewelry and I'm wearing a sand dollar. He brought sand dollars that he gathered in Maine to our Selma. It took him a year. The markings on sand dollars are very subtle. It took him a year to make a mold that he was satisfied with.
So that he could make silver sand dollars she started with mussel shells before sand dollars. And before that he was making chains link by link. That's how chains are made or were made. OK. So what do you do. First of all he took he changed scale. He started working on something small and delicate rather than big heavy parts of machinery. He found a way where he could continue to use his skill where he wasn't working in an unheated you know hangar of these hangar type things that they shared so that they put boats in the window to repair he wasn't working in the cold.
He wasn't being told what time of day to start work or what time of day to stop. But he was using his skill and what was absolutely expressed through this was first of all his integrity as a crafts person. But second he found a way just as he had used his work in the boat yard to connect with people. He became the teacher of other people in working with silver and gemstones and so on. In the in the camp where they lived in a trailer and you know living in a trailer is kind of like living in a boat. It is you have the possibility of moving and you have to be awfully tie the right way. And he said to me one day I was looking at the Tucson range
and he said you know my friends say Ask me how I can bear to be away from the city but look at that mountain side. It's changing every minute of the day which is what the scene does. Hanks the first person I talk about in this book. Oh and now he sells jewelry I mean it's in stores up in Maine. If the first person in this book because he's such a perfect example of someone who has has made a transition from a job which was fairly
onerous but he loved it to a way of working which allows him to organize his own time. And allows him to develop first of all his fundamental integrity as a crafts person. And second or maybe first his need to connect with people. So what he represents and what I keep finding is not people reinventing themselves from scratch. Even someone who is Dow doing something that sounds as if it's very different.
If I say he he you know he went from repairing engines to being a silversmith. It sounds like total discontinuity but it's not discontinuity. And yet there's. Kind of a distillation because what what Hank has done in this sense is he's discovered what is what was most fundamental to him in the work he did all his life and found a new way of doing that using the skills. But the very discovery of the way a new way to do that. It's a kind of spiritual growth. He's stopped and said I don't guarantee that he
said it. I think so much of our cognition is not conscious but he's found a way to hold on to what was really fundamental and valuable to him somehow figured that out and found a way to do that. That also makes him feel productive and contributing. Our go to questions any minute now. But I did it. I want to read a couple of little passages more. I want to read a couple of passages in the voice of the people that the book is about. Well I'm going to read you a piece. Oh I should tell you I write about people
by their real names. They know I'm doing it. They know what the project's about. And I don't write about people that I don't find admirable because I'm I'm looking to understand ways that people have solved this and Legba of when they realize that they they may have a lot of years of activity. And maybe playing golf isn't what they want to do for 10 or 20 years. I am just Panther medically. I think a lot of people need to take a year or so give or take. But living the fantasy of I've always wanted to play golf fulltime or living or fish full time or or whatever it is. I take a nice vacation and then
reengage in some way or other that it might be something that earns a little money I mean Hank makes some money selling these things. He's not a factory. It may be volunteer work. There may be a personal search of some sort. But sometimes you need to take some time off anyhow. Barbara was born is a professor of immunology at UMass. She and her husband who's also profiled in this book. And it's considerably older than she is. One of the reasons I wanted to include Barbara and her husband Richard was because I was interested in looking at a couple with a big age difference. And Osbourne in goal we all also have the difference that it's an interracial marriage. She's white he's black.
And an age difference song. So I asked her. Leaving financing aside as an issue what questions you think what research you might want to work on looking ahead as long as you can. How would you frame of those questions. She says I think it would be very hard for me to frame the questions because what I've learned about the way I do science is that I cannot predict what I'm going to be doing five years from now. If I find something interesting on the way that takes me off on another path I'll go there. I like following where the clues lead me. And in that way I'm forced to learn a new field every three or four years. Well you know I started talking about zigzag lives when I wrote composing a life because women keep being interrupted and having to make new
starts. But she's talking about that as a as a scientific strategy within the framework of her career. And she's been producing some fairly well-recognized work in recent years. A lot of people find this a time of sort of spiritual search. But you see when I talk about Hank and he doesn't have it's is just to use the word spiritual. It's nothing that would seem to refer to religion or meditation or he's looking at those mountains and he's figured out what matters to him. A woman named Gladdie. She's just fascinating. You know at every stage of the life cycle she's created a new nonprofit to to address the need of some different groups. I mean she she
created a her first one was for Smith graduates to help them find jobs. Then she got interested when after she had children she got interested in helping students find a summer work that would help them grow and develop and so on and so forth. She's been doing one of these after another. Here's what she said. I guess I needed that time from myself to kind of ruminate on where I was. I've been introduced to the Zen Center in San Francisco in the 80s. That immediately became a spiritual home for me when I was doing the education fund that was of fun to reprove the schools. I get up very early in the morning and practice and I used my vacations to go to toss a Zen Mountain Center and deepen my practice with the community. What that did was
to make me realize that at 61 or 62 anything that I might start to help with a later life transition needed to have a quality and dimension to it that acknowledged the need for purpose that it was a time for many people after the first active careers to develop other ways of working for profit or whatever honing in on a kind of spiritual longing. To think well I've lived this long I need to find my own integrity. I had a vision of that when I was in the Sierras walking with a group going up a trail and suddenly looking down on this expansive landscape below and at the horizon I was standing there alone
and it was like a reality shift. I saw it as a metaphor that life was final. I realized there was a finality in this landscape. It didn't mean that my demise was in the offing but that each of my steps down from the peak needed to be made with a sense of my own integrity. I needed to find myself that stayed with me like images do became the basis for starting what I call the Life Center which was for people of 50 or above. Again a transition with the same components of self assessment counseling information on job finding and workshops. One of the fun things that happened in the course of this book I was actually at a different Santander in Santa Fe at a conference
and Jane Fonda comes up to me and introduces herself and she says to me I'm writing a book about aging and I want to interview you. And I say I was reading a book about aging too can I interview you. So in fact they came and stayed with my husband and me in our New Hampshire House for four or five days and we each had a separate tape recorder. And each one of us asked the other one questions and we got it all the time on tape. And her book will be out in the fall. I'm going to read you just a little bit about.
That's not the bit I want to say. That's what she says. I have been an award winning actor all of my adult life but I'm realizing it's not who I am. I had define myself by externals praise applause awards all those kinds of things. And I realized when I was entering my furred act what I called Second adulthood is the beginning of what she calls her third act. Everybody's got different language. I what I call adulthood to sorry. And during my third act She's a theater person of course it's a third act. I was still married to Ted Turner for the first two years of my third act from
60 to 62 that I had to redefine my locus of well-being if I wasn't going to be miserable. As she spoke of the extent to which she had been determined by the men she was with she was three times and her period of anti-Vietnam War activism she was married to Tom Hayden. It seemed to me that each of her marriages evokes different but intrinsic potentials each expressed in a revived entity but each reflecting only a part of her. She seems to have been trying to find someone who sees her as she is. The verb she uses for this is countenance. To countenance someone with an idiosyncratic emphasis that
goes beyond the dictionary meaning of accepting and tolerating to genuinely recognizing and acknowledging the other knowing and being known no longer through a glass darkly but then face to face. I found myself connecting the importance she gives to countenancing to a countenancing another to the issue of eye contact and interactions. You know leaving the good old days was not so hard for me because they were really so-so old days when I was trying to inhabit an exterior that I didn't really all that was hard. And as I was getting older I was
suddenly feeling that I could move back into myself. There's something to be said for having that happen later in life. When I was trying to finish it very quickly I asked myself about each of the people I'd interviewed what would this life look like if this person had died in their 40s which was the statistical probability of a century ago and the lives look totally different because in every case whether it was taking responsibility a deepened spirituality a concern a wider concern for for the world. I look at these people and I say that adults have to after this
incredibly Rushton and overloaded time of of adulthood. It's just a time when people really grow up and can't become who they're called to be. Various unpredictability of marriage. I mean the Erickson model which eight stages proposes that each of these stages. There are issues to confront and that to the extent that they be these challenges are resolved. The individual has a certain kind of strength moving forward. And of course his most famous concept was the a density crisis in youth where our young person has to
figure out who they are and then they move forward. But the point is that every one of those crises when a particular issue comes into focus comes up at every stage of the lifecycle to some degree. You know you're born hey that's a start of having of indemnity that you can walk who I am I can walk and move myself from place to place. You turn to when you can say no. OK. Every stage contains all the other stages. And the way the way I look at the way I connect my work with with Eric's work is first of all to say that I'm I'm inserting a stage in the life cycle that isn't in his model because our
conditions have changed. OK. And one of the things and I call the strength of adulthood to active wisdom. There's a difference between wisdom drawn from a lifetime of experience that you just think of it at the point where you're in a rocking chair. And wisdom drawn from a lifetime of experience that you can turn around and apply maybe do something about some political problems. So I make a distinction between wisdom as Erik's virtue of the old and active whispering. Old age is still there but it's a different kind of wisdom. But the other thing that struck me very strongly as I did all this
interviewing is that each of the three sone of crisis crisis opportunity and danger. You know you may resolve it you may not. You may get out of trouble you may regret us. You may fall apart but that each of the three crises that follows puberty and precedes adulthood too. Namely the identity crisis the entity intimacy crisis and the generative of the crisis comes up very powerfully in adulthood too. Am I the same person I've been becoming all these years and how do I do that under current circumstances. And it's so like adolescence I mean funny things happen to your skin and people look at you differently.
And and you wonder if you your body is unpredictable and I am I am I the same person. People don't look at me the same way. OK so that's a density intimacy. Let me tell you all of your close relationships get revised. I mean if a cult couple is still together by the time they had adulthood too they've learned to love each other in a different kind of way. It's evolved. And as for your children you've got to learn to treat them as adults you know. And on an equal plane. So. All three and it's 70 very critical for a lot of people in adulthood too is to feel useful which is another aspect of generative and one of my contributing one of my giving back. What's going to be my legacy.
So these three Eric sell me and crises come bubbling up and not fries I could tell not in a fixed order and I'm not to tell you what year they happen and you know I I know people who say My child the day of his third birthday he started it easier to get along or got over the terrible twos overnight. But don't come out of it. They may look at the terrible twos may last for another year or they may start earlier. So I still feel very close to Eric on this. There are books by Ken through the chapter four. There's a there's my version of they are excited me and charged with a stage inserted and the
way I've set it up. I don't change the numbering. I didn't I didn't give adulthood to a separate number. And the things that I am. Focusing on are in boldface so that you can see how how the two systems interconnect So I would say I have. I'm still very close to Eric's work. It's yes and one just one more word I wanted to say. And the reason I am is because. I'm like a lot that has been done in psychology or so and in psychoanalysis. Erik Erikson is primarily interested in human strength and resilience and and I mean that's what he's talking about he sees various cycle pathologies are related to the failures of dealing with these
different stages. But he's trying to say what is the nature of the strength that comes out of this particular struggle. And he uses a familiar word with an old fashioned meaning. He uses the word virtue whose original meaning was strength. To talk about the characteristics that people develop and the the strength that comes out of the end of a deadly crisis is fidelity capacity to commit oneself to something. The strength that comes out of the end of a sea crisis is love generative really care not just for and for not just for children but for institutions and communities and so on. And he uses the word integrity and the and the word both integrity and wisdom in talking about old age when my mother died she
was working on a photographic book with Ken Hyman who was excellent. It was a life photographer that she did two books with. And this was to be a third and it was going to be portraits from around the world of elders. And the title was to be to grow in grace. And she never wrote a word for it because her health went out at that point. But I mean look I mean like Glavine she creates a new 501 C-3 for every stage of her life. Because in trying to understand where she is personally maybe she can make a contribution to other people and one of the things that that that struck me as I worked on this is we need not just to hear about the
successes of our elders but to hear about their failures. Because people learn from their failures and we can learn from their failures. And so some of the stories that people tell are not stories of success. They're stories of frustration of marriages breaking down of disappointments in life. But what I hear in the way they tell them they've learned and they want to pass that learning on my daughter once said to me Mom if I ask you a question will you give me a short I am sure. So thank you all very much for coming.
Collection
Harvard Book Store
Series
WGBH Forum Network
Program
Mary Catherine Bateson: Composing a Further Life
Contributing Organization
WGBH (Boston, Massachusetts)
AAPB ID
cpb-aacip/15-jw86h4cx7p
If you have more information about this item than what is given here, or if you have concerns about this record, we want to know! Contact us, indicating the AAPB ID (cpb-aacip/15-jw86h4cx7p).
Description
Description
Anthropologist and expert on aging Mary Catherine Bateson discusses her book, Composing a Further Life: The Age of Active Wisdom.Mary Catherine Bateson sees aging today as an "improvisational art form calling for imagination and willingness to learn," and in this study, she relates the experiences of men and women--herself included--who, upon entering this second phase of adulthood, have found new meaning and new ways to contribute, composing their lives in new patterns.Among the people Bateson engages in open-ended, in-depth conversations are a retired Maine boatyard worker who has become a silversmith and maker of fine jewelry; an African American woman who explores the importance of grandmothering; two gay men finding contentment in mutual caring; the retired dean of a cathedral in New York City who exemplifies how a multiplicity of interests and connections lead to deeper unity; and Jane Fonda, who shares her ways of dealing with change and spiritual growth.
Date
2010-09-21
Topics
Social Issues
Subjects
Culture & Identity; Health & Happiness
Media type
Moving Image
Duration
00:57:39
Embed Code
Copy and paste this HTML to include AAPB content on your blog or webpage.
Credits
Distributor: WGBH
Speaker2: Bateson, Mary Catherine
AAPB Contributor Holdings
WGBH
Identifier: 2f1185d33abdb7b00b04b150b286e3bb39de78b7 (ArtesiaDAM UOI_ID)
Format: video/quicktime
Duration: 00:00:00
If you have a copy of this asset and would like us to add it to our catalog, please contact us.
Citations
Chicago: “Harvard Book Store; WGBH Forum Network; Mary Catherine Bateson: Composing a Further Life,” 2010-09-21, WGBH, American Archive of Public Broadcasting (GBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC, accessed March 28, 2024, http://americanarchive.org/catalog/cpb-aacip-15-jw86h4cx7p.
MLA: “Harvard Book Store; WGBH Forum Network; Mary Catherine Bateson: Composing a Further Life.” 2010-09-21. WGBH, American Archive of Public Broadcasting (GBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC. Web. March 28, 2024. <http://americanarchive.org/catalog/cpb-aacip-15-jw86h4cx7p>.
APA: Harvard Book Store; WGBH Forum Network; Mary Catherine Bateson: Composing a Further Life. Boston, MA: WGBH, American Archive of Public Broadcasting (GBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC. Retrieved from http://americanarchive.org/catalog/cpb-aacip-15-jw86h4cx7p